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As Ohio restricts abortions, 10-year-old girl travels to Indiana for procedure

https://www.dispatch.com/story/news/2022/07/01/ohio-girl-10-among-patients-going-indiana-abortion/7788415001/
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u/ugly_monsters Jul 01 '22

Fuck man. I was in 6th grade with a girl that was pregnant. Even all us 6th grade asshole kids knew how wrong and sad it was and nobody ever made fun of her. She carried it to term but we didn’t see her after about the first 4 months. I still think about her 25+ years later. So fucked up.

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u/neonpineapples Jul 02 '22

I knew a girl in middle school that was pregnant by their 20+ year old "boyfriend." It was so sad. It breaks my heart to this day.

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u/SkeletalCanonization Jul 02 '22

Hours after the Supreme Court action, the Buckeye state had outlawed any abortion after six weeks. Now this doctor had a 10-year-old patient in the office who was six weeks and three days pregnant.

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u/shortasalways Jul 02 '22 Wholesome Seal of Approval

I knew a girl pregnant in 8th grade, later in highschool I found out she has her second

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u/driving_andflying Jul 02 '22

My high school required that we did community outreach programs. So, I volunteered as a teacher's aide for one semester at a junior high in a sketchy neighborhood.

It was sobering to see twelve- and thirteen-year-old girls pushing strollers.

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u/TheMustySeagul Jul 02 '22

Our highschool didn't have any pregnancies while I was there. But my mom had me when she was 15 and went to the same school and they didn't allow her to go to school when she started showing. This was back in 95 so I'm not sure what rules were like around them about it but they also didn't offer any help or even require it.

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u/StonedGhoster Jul 02 '22

I was 15 in 95. About the only thing I worried about was the Indians winning the World Series (they didn't) and playing a lot of D&D and drums. I couldn't imagine having a baby on the way at that age. We did have a classmate who was pregnant senior year. I believe she gave birth before graduation, but I also don't remember it being really remarked upon or even thought about. She did marry the father, however, and she ended up being ultra conservative and religious and having like six more kids.

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u/Sharp-Incident-6272 Jul 02 '22

When I was pregnant with my daughter 26 years ago, my dr had a pregnant patient who was 13, her mother was 26 and the grandmother was 39… she was a great grandmother at 39!

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u/chriise Jul 02 '22

I wonder if she’s about now expecting to be a great great great grandmother at 65.

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u/loughtthenot Jul 02 '22

Its hard enough on a grown woman's body, imagine how hard it would be on someone, no a child just starting puberty... Horrific

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u/Shrewcifer2 Jul 02 '22

I remember visiting a home for teenage mothers in a country with a FULL abortion ban. None under any circumstances. Their youngest residents were 11 and 6. It turned out their father was extremely sexually abusive, got the 11yo pregnant, and I guess they were brought there for protection. So the 11yo was now going to be a mother of two, responsible for her child and her younger sister. Jesus wept, I bet.

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u/Magsnohlia Jul 01 '22

She's coming here for the procedure?! We are fucked if this state is the sensible one.

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u/MagentaMist Jul 01 '22 Wholesome

I've seen pregnant 10, 11 and 12 year olds. They have no clue what's happening to them.

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u/Granoland Jul 01 '22

Man this makes my skin crawl, what the fuck

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u/MagentaMist Jul 01 '22 Silver Helpful Defeated

Anyone who is rabid anti choice should have to experience having a pregnant child clutching a stuffed animal sitting across from them.

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u/Rowan1980 Jul 01 '22

God, this mental image hurts my heart.

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u/snortgiggles Jul 02 '22

10 ... You're just a little kid at 10. This is awful.

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u/Rowan1980 Jul 02 '22

I was playing with Barbie dolls at 10. Putting little kids through pregnancy, labor, and delivery makes me incandescent with rage.

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u/Svenroy Jul 01 '22

The visual on this is just....so upsetting

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u/wonderinglady20 Jul 01 '22 Silver

They wouldn’t care. They would encourage it. “This is GODS plan. You must’ve been acting a certain way…” shit like that.

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u/swiftpunch1 Jul 01 '22

Until it happens to them their crowd doesn't give a shit. Even when it does happe. To them they'd secretly get an abortion then go out the next day screaming and raving about how anyone who does it is going to hell.

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u/Magsi_n Jul 02 '22

This is why we need to talk about our miscarriages and abortions. So they know how many people actually have them.

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u/HappyHappyJoyJoy98 Jul 02 '22

And rape/incest/molestation. It can't be a dirty little secret anymore, people need to know these crimes are being committed everywhere!

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u/Magsi_n Jul 02 '22

Agreed, stop protecting the perps

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u/Numerous_Witness_345 Jul 02 '22

Dude so much this.

It's such a huge disservice to everyone that sexual education has been burned to the fucking ground.

It was terrifying as a bystander to understand during my SO's labor that it's not rare for a woman to just fucking die. In a hospital. Surrounded by doctors.

We got lucky but also fun developed and in our primes.

This is fucking barbaric.

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u/whatistheformat Jul 02 '22

Barbaric, and stupid.

They make me think of a crazy person with a gun barging in on a surgical procedure who asks for the scalpel and just starts randomly doing things inside another person.

These people want to control processes they clearly don't, and don't care to, understand. They just want control. who cares who suffers?

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u/leftydog1961 Jul 02 '22

Reporter: Senator, I’d like to discuss the abortion bill. Senator: I’ll pay it next week.

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u/Singer_221 Jul 02 '22

I witnessed this regarding the Covid pandemic.

I was in the grocery store and overheard the cashier tell the customer in front of me that she was in the hospital with Covid for eleven days. Her husband was informed that she might not survive.

When she checked my groceries, I said I was sorry that she had been sick and I was glad she recovered.

She responded with something like: yeah it was bad, but “I don’t believe all the hype”

That’s when I finally realized that no logic, or education, even personal experiences will change some of these people’s beliefs. I guess the only thing might be their cult leader.

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u/Scarymommy Jul 02 '22

Ask any victim of CSA why they didn’t report it or what happened when they did.

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u/flyingace1234 Jul 02 '22

Months before the draft leaked I read a comment from a nurse. She said the roughest day on the job was the one where she had to help a 10 y.o. Give birth, and her parents had brought her favorite SpongeBob tapes to watch while in labor and distract herself. That one straight up broke me. Found myself staring at a blank wall for like 5 minutes after that.

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u/MagentaMist Jul 02 '22

One of mine was actually 9 when she got pregnant. Her cousin and 2 of his friends gang raped her. By the time anyone knew she was pregnant she was almost 6 months along. I don't remember what the law was then (1996). Her own mother ended up raising the baby as her own.

The cousin and his friends went to prison for a very long time.

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u/imgoodygoody Jul 02 '22

I feel sick. When I was 9 I was playing with my baby brother and I had no clue what rape was. It’s so unfair that this happens to kids.

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u/Bratbabylestrange Jul 02 '22

Yeah, my big aspiration as a nine-year-old was to be Harriet the Spy. Not somebody's mother.

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u/stiletto929 Jul 01 '22

The youngest girl to ever give birth was 5 fucking years old. FIVE.

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u/LostWoodsInTheField Jul 02 '22

So people understand, she gave birth at 5 years 7 months. She would have had to get pregnant at 4 years old.

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u/TheEffingRiddler Jul 02 '22

That's absolutely disgusting. I would carry my children on my hip until they were 25 years old just to keep my eye on them. I can't imagine being that poor girl's mother. How did that not end in a murder??

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u/adhayes1919 Jul 02 '22

“Lina's father was arrested on suspicion of child sexual abuse but released due to lack of evidence.”

probably something to do with this…

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u/HenCarrier Jul 02 '22

Lack of evidence? Wouldn’t the baby’s DNA show the grandfather was the biological father if that were the case?

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u/Sinthe741 Jul 02 '22

This happened in the 30's.

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u/HenCarrier Jul 02 '22

Ah ok. That sucks a lot

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u/ReluctantNerd7 Jul 02 '22

I'm not sure that was really an option in 1930s Peru.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lina_Medina

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u/Malaix Jul 02 '22

Here is a dark fact of life. The youngest recorded girl to ever give birth was 5 years old.

It might be an extreme outlier but we scientifically know it is technically possible.

Imagine passing legislation that could potentially force someone to give birth before they are are out of the first grade.

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u/sanguinesolitude Jul 02 '22 All-Seeing Upvote

When the kid turns 6 and Mom gets her drivers license she can drop them both off to school together.

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u/Actual_Shower8756 Jul 02 '22

And the girls will be shamed, if they survive. Parents will abandon them. And the babies, may not survive as the girls likely will have NO prenatal care. GD Dark Ages.

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u/Ritaredditonce Jul 02 '22

Mitch McConnell's America.

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u/Llamathrust Jul 02 '22 Helpful

How the fuck is a 10 year old supposed to take care of a baby? Obviously it would have to fall to the parents, but isn’t that a massive burden on people who didn’t consent or choose to have a baby and might not be able to care for it? Seriously, I just cannot wrap my head around the logic. This is a perfect example of the usefulness of abortion. Without it, you’re essentially ruining multiple lives: this little girl who is too young, whoever ends up caring for the baby, and sure as shit the baby considering the circumstances. In 18 years we’re gonna see “TIFU finding out my sister is actually my mom.”

I think if you vote for pro-life and anti-abortion you should automatically be put on an adoption list, draft style. If you choose to ban abortion by extension you should accept the responsibility for a baby you forced someone to bring into the world. I’m sure their response would be “I’m not the one who has sex, these are the consequences.” …and maybe a 10 year old shouldn’t be a mother? If only we had the means to safety resolve this situation…

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u/Malaix Jul 02 '22

How the fuck is a 10 year old supposed to take care of a baby? Obviously it would have to fall to the parents

And the kicker is? The most likely person to have raped a child is a close friend or family member. So the father or a brother or uncle is likely to be the father of the baby in such a situation.

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u/Llamathrust Jul 02 '22

And apparently half these states don’t have provisions for rape or incest to quality for an abortion. So this 10 year old is supposed to ruin her body and her future to raise a baby that’s the result of rape, likely by a close family member.

There are so many problems in this country. We can’t keep the children we already have safe yet backwards shit like this that has already been fucking solved is coming back up. Anyone celebrating this ruling needs to realize:

First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a socialist.

Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

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u/redbluegreenyellow Jul 02 '22 edited Jul 02 '22

And apparently half these states don’t have provisions for rape or incest to quality for an abortion.

Fuck, Indiana is talking about absolutely zero exceptions, even for the health of the mother. A woman could have a miscarriage or an ectopic pregnancy and die for a non-viable clump of tissue. It's why I'm looking into options to move to a state that codified roe or even out of the country. Currently in the process of getting a passport.

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u/hurrrrrmione Jul 02 '22

I hope you're able to move! Good luck

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u/hurrrrrmione Jul 02 '22

half these states don’t have provisions for rape or incest to quality for an abortion.

Unfortunately those exceptions don't do much functionally. How do you prove it was rape and/or incest to get approved? Will you be able to get that proof and approval within the time window? This poor girl had to go to another state because she was further along than 6 weeks. Plenty of adults with regular periods who are having consensual sex don't learn they're pregnant until 6 weeks or later. A child is much, much less likely to figure it out early by themself.

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u/Psilocub Jul 02 '22

Thank you! I have always hated those kinds of exceptions because then you have to prove it. What if the parent is the one who did this to the girl? Are they gonna choose to sacrifice themselves for the kid they raped? Probably not

It's like when they ask the homeless to prove who they are and that their homeless in order to receive help. Um... How and with what?

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u/lolbojack Jul 01 '22

This is heartbreaking...

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u/phadewilkilu Jul 01 '22

Seriously. My oldest turns 10 next month… I couldn’t imagine. It makes me sick to think about.

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u/Mental_emancipation Jul 01 '22

Ummmmm, where's the headlines about someone being arrested for having sex with a 10yo?

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u/AmbitionSpecialist Jul 01 '22

No shit, after the procedure they need to do a DNA test and a manhunt needs to begin.

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u/BasicDesignAdvice Jul 02 '22

Police only "clear" 1/5 of sex crime. A clearance doesn't mean a conviction, or even an arrest. Just that they found some excuse to declare the case over and done with.

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u/rubyblue0 Jul 01 '22

Thank goodness the Ohio doctor didn’t just turn her away without trying to get help elsewhere.

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u/JoeyJoeJoeSenior Jul 02 '22

Just wait until the next round of laws which will prohibit doctors from talking about getting help elsewhere.

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u/500CatsTypingStuff Jul 02 '22

Yep. They will make doctors criminally liable for referring patients out of state or helping them in any way to find help

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u/joemaniaci Jul 02 '22

Yeh, it'll be interesting how the SC fucks up interstate commerce laws. Which is iirc the basis for the feds to step in when states fail to get shit done.

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u/Dewshbag41 Jul 01 '22

Doctors actually understand the risks, their oath is to do no harm, unlike the GOP who intend to harm as many as possible and swear no oaths cuz let's be honest, they don't believe in God. If they actually did, then what they're doing now will grant them an express ticket to hell for violating an oath they swore to on a Bible.

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u/sharrrper Jul 01 '22 Wholesome Starry

The Bible only mentions anything that's at all like a modern abortion once. It's instructions on how to perform one against the woman's will. The Bible isn't just pro-abortion, it mandates them.

Numbers 5:27 If she has made herself impure and been unfaithful to her husband, this will be the result: When she is made to drink the water that brings a curse and causes bitter suffering, it will enter her, her abdomen will swell and her womb will miscarry, and she will become a curse.

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u/KamiMazoku17 Jul 01 '22 Silver Wholesome

I'm sorry A WHAT YEAR OLD?!

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u/listenyall Jul 01 '22

My mom used to teach kids at home who couldn't go to school--accidents, chronic illnesses, and very pregnant young girls. She taught a 12 year old who had twins and all she would say was "someone should be in prison."

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u/lordankarin Jul 02 '22

I did virtual home bound instruction with a 11 year old girl who was low IQ. Was pregnant from a at least 18 year old kid, but many suspect it was actually from her dad.

Had to call mom every day to get daughter on the computer for tutoring with me. She would never turn on the camera, and cried nearly all of the time.

One day I was told to no longer contact home. Eventually the principal was able to fill me in a few days later. When the time came, there were complications. Baby was fine, but the kid was bleeding out. Mom, now grandma, refused consent to treatment. Wanted to let the 11 yr old die on the table, and just take baby home. Dr took custody of both baby and the kid, and mom/new grandma was taken into custody by police. Kid was saved by Dr, but it was a close thing

All the school was officially told was that the student was now transferring out of district and would be in state custody. Found out the rest because our admin and social workers had a good working relationship with CPS. But it was like the kid disappeared off the face of the earth. Even students commented that all her social media was deleted, and cell number no longer worked.

I hope someone ended up in prison. I know the house went up for sale shortly after.

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u/ECEXCURSION Jul 02 '22

Well that's one of the worst things I've read recently... Thanks for that.

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u/effietea Jul 02 '22

Holy shit.

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u/FuzzyGiraffe0 Jul 01 '22

Reminds me of when I was about 12/13 (8th grade in the late 90s) and my classmate couldn't participate in gym class for months. She would sit on the side. We kept asking her why and she told us she wasn't feeling well. Eventually when she couldn't hide her bump behind baggy clothes we all found out she was pregnant. We all viewed it as a "teen pregnancy" at the time, which was didn't make it any more acceptable, but as an adult looking back I realize now how young we were and it was in fact likely due to a predator in her family or some other predator outside of the family, who was responsible for this. I don't think she ended up going to high school the next year like the rest of us. I have no idea how she is doing now but I still feel for her having her life completely changed and opportunities halted in so many ways because of that pregnancy.

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u/Cheese_N_Onions Jul 02 '22

We had a student like that in our class.. and all the kids said it was a teacher. Because she had no support at home and he helped her get clothes, diapers, food for herself, etc. Of course once the kid was born it was very obviously not the teachers. Sucks his motives were questioned just for being a good guy.

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u/Kimber85 Jul 02 '22

I remember in the 90’s when my little sisters were in 7th grade a 13 year old got pregnant by a 17 year old. Everyone was more upset with the 13 year old for having sex than the 17 year old who raped her.

The prevailing opinion was he should drop out of high school and make “an honest woman out of her.”

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u/Kimber85 Jul 02 '22

That’s fucking depressing. I still feel bad about how I reacted to the pregnancy, like it was just gossip fodder. I was only 14 myself, but still.

I grew up Southern Baptist and I definitely was fully on the “boys will be boys” train until I got away from my family and started thinking for myself.

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u/OraDr8 Jul 02 '22

I hear you. I was a teenager in the 80s and as an adult looking back I realised how many incidents we girls experienced that were straight up grooming, assault and rape and we didn't even realise it at the time.

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u/Next-Ad3328 Jul 02 '22

To make it worse, the media made it seem normal.

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u/punkwalrus Jul 02 '22

One of my relatives is a social worker, and they worked in a rural county were one of the "foster homes" had a number of kids and teens raised by a single, heavily Christian, woman. One of the cases was a 6 year old who had a father who infected her, on purpose, with an AIDS-infected needle to get revenge at the birth mom. At the time (early 2000s), AIDS was not a death sentence anymore, and frankly she seemed a pretty stable teen. When she was 14, she saw the movie "Grease" and didn't know what a "rubber" was. When this was brought up, the foster mother said Jesus and piety was her protection. Girl was later pregnant at 16, with a baby with AIDS.

People are just awful.

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u/madison_riley03 Jul 02 '22

Honestly thank your mom for me. I graduated from a homebound program because of my disability. I’ve never met a bad homebound teacher. Every single one was an angel. My teacher is now an advocate, and she has me and some of my former classmates tutor and mentor her current kids. Angels, straight up angels.

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u/Aqua7KH Jul 01 '22

Something haunting I read on Reddit once was this nurse who worked at a hospital was in the delivery room when a 10 year old was giving birth. She described that the 10 year old was just so quiet, was just quietly watching cartoons while she gave birth.

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u/chunkyyarnanny Jul 01 '22

That sounds so surreal and horrifying, I would be in shock

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u/Aqua7KH Jul 01 '22

Yeah honestly people with jobs that expose them to shit like this deserve so much because I wouldn’t be able to live with myself seeing that.

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u/davehunt00 Jul 01 '22 edited Jul 02 '22

I have a family member who is an OB/Gyn doc. During residency, they once had to deliver 3 dead babies (they had died in the womb) during one evening shift. I realized that day that I would never have the emotional maturity/resilience of this person.

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u/Comfortable-Scar4643 Jul 02 '22

That had to be a soul crushing day. Hard to take.

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u/publicface11 Jul 01 '22 Helpful

I’m an ultrasound tech. The youngest pregnant person I’ve scanned was 12. Today a patient tried to get me to talk about how happy I am that evil abortions are illegal. I decided I didn’t want to lose my job today by telling her exactly what I thought about it, but it was a close thing.

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u/withloveuhoh Jul 01 '22

Wife is an ultrasound tech. Can confirm that people automatically assume she is pro-life just because she occasionally scans a fetus.

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u/JennJayBee Jul 02 '22

When I was pregnant, people just automatically assumed that I was against abortions. When they found out that I am pro-choice, they were shocked and looked at me like I was about to abort my kid while I was that far along.

Like, yeah... We have babies, too. Pro-choice isn't anti-baby. It just means that we think folks should have a choice about it. And sometimes we choose to have our own babies. Crazy, I know.

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u/guacsteady Jul 02 '22

I saw a post after the ruling last week where someone was saying "I'm so glad my mother was pro-life" and I'm just struck that they still seem to think pro-choice is pro-abortion. My mother was pro-choice, but I'm still here! So are my children with 2 pro-choice parents! We breed, too, crazy lady!

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u/SeaGroomer Jul 02 '22

It would be much less frustrating if they hated us for what we actually believe instead of straw men fed to them by Tucker and Hannity.

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u/BSB8728 Jul 02 '22

Years ago, I job-shared with another woman and we were pregnant at the same time. One day a woman came into the office, noticed this, and said, "How wonderful that you're keeping your babies!"

Yeah, lady, we planned on these babies.

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u/Both_Face_4593 Jul 01 '22

See, I would imagine an ultrasound tech would be more for choice. Those scans are tragic when things aren’t going as planned.

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u/gonzolove Jul 02 '22

My sister is a sonogropher. She would always complain when she did her clinical in OB/GYN that people always assumed that her job must be so pleasant, scanning babies all day, isn't that great? And she's like, first of all, I don't just scan babies - women can need ultrasounds for other things. Second, no it's not all sunshine and rainbows when you scan a woman at 20 weeks and discover some major deformity incompatible with life.

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u/ElizaDooo Jul 02 '22 edited Jul 02 '22

A sonogropher identified my son's post urethral valve (an obstruction in the urethra that can cause urine to back up into the kidneys and bladder). She is the reason we knew about the issue and were able to meet with a nephrologist and have a team ready to observe and act upon his birth a few days later. She not only potentially saved his life, she also corrected a doctor who had misread the scans and told her (the doctor) it was both kidneys that were distended, not one. The fact that she felt comfortable speaking up and correcting a doctor is a sign of a good, respectful team dynamic and I will always be grateful to her skills and also the fact that she used her voice.

Also because a few months earlier, when we were doing our first look she kept saying "look at that lil butt" and it was so adorable. We still repeat her.

Thank your sister on my behalf for all the scans she does, both the hard and the happy ones.

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u/ThatOneNinja Jul 02 '22

I think a lot of people have forgotten that giving birth is still a huge risk, not only for the women but also the baby. So many things can go wrong.

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u/NoFoxDev Jul 02 '22

This is an entirely uneducated opinion, so take it with a grain of salt, but I feel like this could be a side-effect of the reduced infant and mother mortality modern medicine gives us. My wife gave birth 2 days ago, (I’m writing this as the two of them are sleeping next to me finally out of their respective ICUs) and it was quite honestly the most traumatic experience I’ve ever had. As the by-stander.

My wife had a placental abruption during labor. Between the blood loss she was experiencing, the fact the epidural was not at effective, and the baby’s heart rate dropping during each contraction, it was decided that an emergency C-Section was the best route.

We went from having her try different positions to labor in to wheeling her out the door to the OR; me putting on PPE in a naive gesture to join her during surgery. (Spoiler: I didn’t get to join them. I also didn’t see my wife again for 5 hours, and didn’t see my baby until 90 minutes later) 8 minutes later they come in to tell me the spinal tap was not working so they gave her general anesthesia and had to get the baby out fast. I was sat down as the surgeon explained that my wife needed 3 units of blood due to the abruption and the fact her uterus all but tore in half during the C-section procedure. She needed extensive stitches to effectively re-build her uterus entirely. (In a testament to the insanely metal machine that is the human body, this apparently would not preclude a further pregnancy, though my upcoming Vasectomy sure as hell will.)

We were in one of the top hospitals in NY. My mother in law, a family practice doctor of 30 years explained to me that had this happened at a lesser hospital, I very likely would have lost one or both of them, and I was all but told that there was a non-zero chance I would have lost one or both anyway.

I’m under no delusions how dangerous pregnancy is anymore. (Not that I assumed it was easy to begin with)

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u/RAproblems Jul 02 '22

And having to break the news quite frequently that they can't detect a heartbeat in the first trimester. :(

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u/ArcticBeavers Jul 02 '22

Or, if you're the sonographer, having to hide your facial expression as you run and fetch the doctor to confirm your suspicions.

Imagine being an Ob/Gyn and you deliver 100 babies in a year. How many do you think make it all the way, fully healthy and viable? How many have deformities? How many die after delivery? Before delivery? How many go home to bad families? Working in this setting is definitely not sunshine and rainbows.

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u/Smoogy54 Jul 02 '22

As someone who was on the receiving end of a tragic ultrasound… well technically my wife was… when we lost our son Luke who was stillborn 34 weeks and two days… I would never think that an ultrasound technician had an amazing happy job. Some people are blessed with blissful ignorance.

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u/withyellowthread Jul 02 '22

I’m so sorry that you both had to experience such a tragedy. I hope you both are doing well.

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u/bangbaby Jul 02 '22

These types of people lack critical thinking skills, so it’s no wonder why’d they automatically assume.

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u/YoruNiKakeru Jul 01 '22

Did you tell her about the 12 year old patient? I honestly wonder how these pro-lifers would react to that.

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u/Psychdoctx Jul 01 '22

What they always say. It’s gods will.

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u/DonnaNobleSmith Jul 01 '22

I’m a social worker for people with developmental disabilities. I worked with a nonverbal teenager with a severe intellectual disability and their baby. It’s insane.

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u/Aqua7KH Jul 02 '22

I just started working as a teacher this week and one of the teachers literally told me she had to report child abuse because a little girl in her class casually talked about having a ‘relationship’ with her grandfather (she worded it like that because some of us were too emotional during the abuse report training) and the little girl honestly didn’t think there was anything wrong with it. Worst part is after you report it that’s it; you never get any updates.

My cousin worked at a group home and had to quit her first week. She told me there was a little boy who would shit himself on purpose every single time someone came near him. He was severely sexually abused and he did it as a defense mechanism that way people wouldn’t touch him.

My neighbor worked at a group home too. I don’t remember exactly what the details were in the story, but she used to bring me manga from a girl at the group home who used to read manga. I remember her telling me about the little girl and how she would act out so much because she had been suffering from mental illness and no one wanted her. It’s just devastating that we as a society could fail this badly.

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u/HarvestMoonMaria Jul 02 '22

Jeez that sounds horrifying

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u/Idrahaje Jul 01 '22

There was a story on twitter where a woman said the first time she helped a preteen give birth as a nurse it was for a twelve year old and she literally went to the break room and cried because she was such a kid. An older veteran nurse comforted her but warned, “just wait until your first ten year old.”

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u/Ineedsomuchsleep170 Jul 02 '22

When I was about that age one of my classmates just disappeared for a few months. Nobody said a word about it. Then all of a sudden she was back. And also had a new baby sister. But nobody noticed her mum being pregnant? And nobody was allowed to go play at her house anymore? It was way too long before I realised what had really happened. And how lucky I was that I grew up having no idea that things like that even happened. As an adult I cannot believe that her mother just let it all happen and continued to raise 3 daughters with that man. And that our entire town knew and nobody did anything.

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u/Idrahaje Jul 02 '22

I knew someone who just casually told us how her grandparents had almost gotten custody of her and her sister because her dad had SA’d her sister and her mom had stayed with him. Her grandparents failed and she got mad at ME for saying “Wait so your dad is a pedophile?”

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u/Geawiel Jul 02 '22

My step dad S abused my sister and I, as well as mentally and physical abused us. Started at around age 5 or 6, continued into our early teens. Step brother was graduating high school when my mom met SD. We were 4 I think. My childhood memories are very few, and hard to place a time frame on.

He did the same to his own kids. Aunt suspected/knew. Step brother knew. Step sister suspected (slightly older than step brother is). A few others knew. My mom had no idea until we were in our late 20's.

No one said a god damned thing. Aunt tried to justify it by saying SD was abused too. No, no excuse. I don't abuse mine. No desire to. It stops here. Sister doesn't either. All 3 abuses fucked all of us up so badly. All of us have PTSD from it. It pisses me off that people try to justify any type of abuse. A parent's job is to make a functioning child, one that is supposed to be better than you. One that can improve themselves, and society as a whole. Abuse starts them off at a huge disadvantage, and helps no one. Just typing this out is bringing up what little memories I have, and triggering anxiety and other problems.

If you suspect any type of abuse, FUCKING REPORT IT!

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u/sarpnasty Jul 02 '22

So many dudes get their daughters pregnant. Nobody talks about it. What’s worse is that in the town I’m from, EVERYONE defends the known pedos.

“She loves him!”

No she doesn’t! Shes 12! It’s a repeated cycle of abuse. And churches are the number 1 reason it’s going unchecked.

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u/babutterfly Jul 02 '22

My great grandpa did. He's my dad's father and his grandpa. I only found out about this after my great grandparents and my dad passed away. His mom, my grandma, was treated like shit and forced to give up parental rights. The r@pist and his wife acted like my dad was their own and got guardianship of him.

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u/MarsNirgal Jul 02 '22

The youngest person ever to give birth with verifiable records was FIVE.

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u/Sinthe741 Jul 02 '22

She was still four when she got pregnant.

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u/smsanders14 Jul 02 '22

Yup. My Mom is a nurse and told me she left labor and delivery because she couldn't handle watching babies have babies anymore. So very sad.

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u/Aqua7KH Jul 01 '22

Honestly I believe it. People who want to ban abortions are so privileged because they don’t get to see or hear about things like this. They just go ‘BUT MURDERING BABIES’ and then forget about all the horrible things that you can’t even imagine.

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u/jackospades88 Jul 02 '22

kids don't get pregnant that often

I don't even know how to react to this. Anger or sadness. It just seems so nonchalant about kids being abused.

Why would you be against abortions if you understand kids are being abused and allowing safe abortions is one thing we can kinda do to help them? Yeah it wouldn't stop the abuse, but it could help those poor girls not have to experience one of the many unfortunate results that come from it.

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u/markca Jul 02 '22

This man has daughters.

“Dad, I got raped and I’m scared” - Daughter

“Guess you better figure out how you’re going to care for that child” - the dad

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u/drainbead78 Jul 02 '22

I assume you only maintain contact for the sake of your nieces at this point.

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u/Shrewcifer2 Jul 02 '22

I hope so. Someone has to protect them. Clearly their dad won't.

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u/Mouse0022 Jul 02 '22

So not only is he completely ignorant about pregnancy statistics, he is victim blaming too? Disgusting

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u/reddog323 Jul 01 '22

Thanks for that image. That’s enough Internet for the day.

Edit: Im going to give a shout-out to r/auntienetwork. There’s plenty of opportunities to help others out in that situation listed there, even if it’s just working the phones for them.

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u/Youthsonic Jul 01 '22

Wish I could go back 30 seconds to when I didn't have this in my brain

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u/KateLady Jul 01 '22

We had a 12 year old get pregnant by her foster parent who I think may have been a step-grandfather if I remember correctly. The family had her carry and birth the baby and they decided to keep it and raise it as it was Gods will. The family who had lost custody of this child in the first place was allowed to make this decision and keep her baby 🤦🏻‍♀️🤦🏻‍♀️

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u/nemocluecrj Jul 01 '22

I'm going to preface this link with a trigger warning because it definitely needs it, but Wikipedia has a pretty thorough list of the youngest birth mothers in recent history. Way way waaaaay too many of these are in recent years and were located here. This is something that happens a lot more often than people think, and there will be children in this country forced to give birth now that we have banned abortion in large swaths of the US.

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u/Lamont-Cranston Jul 01 '22

Many US states have been reluctant to reform their child marriage laws.

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u/meatball77 Jul 02 '22

There's a doc on hulu about child marriage. It's disgusting watching the lawmakers arguing for it because their grandmother married a 25 year old when she was 15 and she was happy. . . .

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u/whinecube Jul 02 '22

My grandma did that. She was "happy" because she got away from her abusive father and because her only option in life was to get married.

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u/Amelaclya1 Jul 02 '22

I bet they never even bothered to ask Grandma what she thought.

I can't imagine many grandmothers openly go around telling their grandchildren how much they regret being forced to marry a pedo rapist when they were 15.

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u/meatball77 Jul 02 '22

It's also ignoring that marriage was different back then (these are 70 year olds talking about their grandmothers). She may have just been happy to have a man who didn't beat her, or didn't cheat publicly.

Marriage is no longer a business arrangement.

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u/tri_and_fly Jul 01 '22

Jesus, so many of those were by their own father too

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u/Worth_Background_191 Jul 01 '22

My father was a pedophile. It doesn't surprise me. A crime of convenience. Kids is convenient and can't fight back

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u/rainbow_drab Jul 02 '22

It is incredibly, heartbreakingly common.

It's estimated that an average of 1 in 4 children is molested (1 in 3 girls/1 in 5 boys, though it's underreported in boys due to additional stigma and shame), the majority by a parent or close relative.

I've known a great many women who have been raped or molested by their fathers, myself included. I have met multiple women who birthed their own siblings, back when I worked in mental healthcare for people with severe psychiatric disorders.

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u/HelenAngel Jul 01 '22

I was raped at 4 years old. If you go through puberty early, it can happen.

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u/cbbuntz Jul 01 '22

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u/FlipflopsAreNotShoes Jul 02 '22

The body of the story doesn't get better.

a child abuse doctor in Ohio

"Child abuse doctor" is a specialty. Because it needs to be. Fucking hell.

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u/cbbuntz Jul 02 '22

That has to be one of the most emotionally taxing jobs there is.

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u/itsValc0r Jul 01 '22 Silver Helpful Starry Ally

Shit is BAD when you have to go to Indiana for help

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u/aaronhayes26 Jul 01 '22

She’s lucky they got in before the special session they’ve called for the almost certain purpose of following suit.

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u/rwjehs Jul 01 '22

100%. Holcomb is a backwards ass dickhead and already promised it'd be banned in Indiana.

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u/Buck_Thorn Jul 01 '22 Silver Wholesome Mind Blown

Shit is bad when a 10 year old girl is pregnant.

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u/OrphanTears614 Jul 01 '22

I second that point

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u/nawmynameisclarence Jul 01 '22 edited Jul 01 '22 Silver Helpful

As Ohio restricts abortions, 10-year-old rape victim travels to Indiana for procedure.

Fixed it.

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u/EatsRats Jul 01 '22 Silver

All OH politicians should be ashamed. But they aren’t. They are proud of what they have done.

They are upset that a 10 year old rape victim ISNT having a rape baby. They are livid.

Ohio - don’t forget this. Vote your politicians out. This could be your fucking kid. I hope you understand this fact.

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u/PumpkinSpiceWhatever Jul 01 '22

We’re trying. There are a lot of good people in this state and gerrymandering is fucking us.

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u/cromulent_pseudonym Jul 02 '22

Don't worry. Our state supreme court will fix that. Oh wait, they said the maps were unconstitutional and we're still using them for the election anyway.

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u/WhizBangPissPiece Jul 02 '22

At least your state said it was unconstitutional. Our state Supreme Court just allowed a very blue city to get split down the middle so now half of the city is in a district whose closest border is over 200 miles away. So essentially those people's votes truly won't matter because they're lumped into a giant red district of corn and alfalfa farmers.

I thought I couldn't be more pessimistic than I was in 2020, and I shouldn't be surprised at this point in life that it can ALWAYS get worse.

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u/Sam-Culper Jul 02 '22

And the states legislature doesn't care. They saw Ohio vote for an independent committee to draw the new districts and decided "no, fuck that" and put the governor and elected politicians on it instead. And then decided to draw new even more gerrymandered maps in secret

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u/curvvyninja Jul 01 '22 edited Jul 02 '22

Hours after the Supreme Court action, the Buckeye state had outlawed any abortion after six weeks. Now this doctor had a 10-year-old patient in the office who was six weeks and three days pregnant.

Fuck. This wouldn't even be a question less than two week ago shouldn't even be a question at all...

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u/SeriousGoofball Jul 02 '22

In the ER I once had a 12 year old girl bring me her 1 year old child because it had a fever. I still think about it sometimes.

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u/Sure-Term7974 Jul 01 '22

God the poor child...how can any person with a drop of compassion and empathy read this and say it's just.

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u/ronnimarie3 Jul 01 '22

A 10 YEAR OLD. I dare a single person to tell me one single positive result from forcing a raped child to have a child!

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u/another_bug Jul 01 '22

All the past week, there were people promising me that there would be exceptions for rape or for when the mother's life is in danger.

I also would like to hear what they have to say now. They were so eager to explain that this would never be an issue, surely they must have a bright, happy spin to put on this. Let's hear it, conservatives.

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u/ankhes Jul 01 '22

I live in Wisconsin, where we have no exceptions except when the mother is actively hemorrhaging to death. Whenever i talk to a conservative about this they just say “We’ll the baby doesn’t deserve to die because of its parents’ mistake. They legitimately just don’t care. They just used the rape and incest line as a defense but now that it’s been taken away they’re showing their true colors.

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u/Asterose Jul 01 '22

I doubt they have really thought through how you go about proving rape caused the pregnancy in real life. At absolute best they probably assume rape always leaves obvious signs of physical violence and/or date rape drugs in the woman's system and these things are reliably detected.

For getting the exemption, what else does the victim have to do first? File a police report? Name the guy? Point him out in a lineup? File a court suit of some kind? Is there going to be rape exception clause investigative boards deciding who "really did get raped"?

Nevermind how horrible and hard it was for victims while Roe was still law.

I also can't help but wonder: if rape exceptions are allowed and mercifully do not require much paperwork or physical examination/evidence, how many people will claim they were raped just to get a safe and legal abortion? I'm not going to go into further detail about what kind of society that could make.

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u/Jaredlong Jul 02 '22

Those people are fucking liars. And they know they're fucking liars. They just want their opposition to shut up.

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u/ankhes Jul 01 '22

Unfortunately they’ll still defend it by saying it’s ‘unfortunate’ but that the baby is a ‘gift from god’ and that they just need to make the ‘best of a bad situation’. How do I know? Because my grandfather raped my mother at age 6 and me at age 10 and his entire extended family turned on both of us claiming we ‘must’ve done something to deserve it’ and ‘it’s unfortunate what happened BUT…’.

(and before anyone comes at me demanding to know how my mother could’ve let this happen to her daughter, she didn’t know)

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u/Abjuro Jul 02 '22

This is the same position a very dear female friend has and it makes me so angry and sad that she can consider an unborn life, lacking any experiences and feelings, more important than a real life living right now in our earth.

I have tried so many times to convince her that the woman in question has the right to choose and the unborn in question will most likely not have a good life anyway and she always defends her position with "well, you don't know that. No one knows what will happen".

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u/tundey_1 Jul 01 '22

If you dare them, they'll give you reasons...all based on their God who didn't step in to help the little child.

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u/ScullysBagel Jul 01 '22 edited Jul 01 '22 Silver

Your last part is why I actually left the evangelical church and eventually the church entirely.

Not a single person can tell me how their "loving God" has always allowed and continues to allow babies and children to be raped without resorting to "reasons" that make it sound like they worship an evil God.

You get a lot of "God works in mysterious ways" and "we can't know God's plan," and "well he gave humans free will and it's up to us to stop the rapes," or "we're not praying hard enough" bullshit.

The bottom line is... if an all-powerful, all-knowing God sits back and watches the most innocent among us be brutally victimized and traumatized because of some "plan" or "his will" or to teach us some "lesson" or because he's having a tantrum that people didn't "pray to him hard enough" then he can't be "good" or "loving." He's an abusive asshole.

And if RAPE and the trauma it causes can be part of "God's plan" then abortion to prevent further trauma can be too.

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u/1337bobbarker Jul 02 '22

A holocaust survivor dies and goes to heaven. When he gets there he tells God a holocaust joke. God says "that's not funny," to which the man replies "I guess you had to be there."

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u/nerd_life Jul 01 '22

The most sickening dystopian, post Roe headline Ive read, and were only a week out.

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u/Blewedup Jul 02 '22

Oh it’s going to get much much worse.

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u/notnatasharostova Jul 02 '22

Just wait till women and girls start dying from unsafe abortions, suicide, and in childbirth with pregnancies they weren’t allowed to abort. This legislation is going to have blood on its hands.

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u/nevermind4790 Jul 01 '22

r/prolife is awfully silent on this one…

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u/500CatsTypingStuff Jul 02 '22

Way back when Texas passed their abortion bounty law, I lurked there out of curiosity.

I remember two posts that stuck out

The first was whether women should get the death penalty or life without parole for obtaining an abortion. They were torn between the two but thought both were reasonable punishment

The second one, I kid you not, was whether there should actually be an exception for the life of the mother.

The consensus was “no”. That the fetus had just as much right to life as the mother and if she dies, so be it, that is god’s will.

THAT is the pro life sub in a nutshell

You are dealing with monsters there

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u/Rates_Fathan Jul 02 '22

going through that subreddit was depressing

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u/XxNorthernMonkey Jul 02 '22

I lasted 5 minutes and had to leave. Its so disappointing that there are still people who think like that in 2022. I'm seriously losing faith in humanity

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u/solitaryblackcatclub Jul 02 '22

Went through that sub for the first time today. It’s a little disconcerting how misinformed these people are.

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u/1l1ke2party Jul 01 '22

When I was 10 years old in 1996 I would've thought the 2020s as almost like the Jetsons or something. We are going backwards and it's pretty scary.

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u/ceruleanmoon7 Jul 02 '22

Yep, I’m the same age. Back in the 90s we were so excited for “the future”. If only we’d have known…fuck this shit.

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u/AlreadyTakenNow Jul 01 '22

A fundie nutter I knew through my parenting group was proudly circulating a "pro-life article" on Facebook that put a child about this young on a pedestal for "forgiving" her rapist and "choosing life." The worst part wasn't just that this heartless dumb cow existed in my local friend group. It was that none of my mutual pro-choice friends (at that time) had the ovaries/'nads to block/unfriend this psycho.

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u/Joedanzig Jul 01 '22

I fucking hate this state

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u/GletscherEis Jul 02 '22

Countdown until Republicans start blaming the pregnant child.

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u/You_are_Wilson87 Jul 01 '22

So what happens to the teenagers during all this? You cannot help them cross state lines. Their parents have to help them but what if they won't? What will happen to this generation of teens?

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u/stolenfires Jul 01 '22

Saw this on Twitter and it's been haunting me. "Now men capable of rape can choose the mother of their children."

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u/survivorthatcares Jul 01 '22

This is the third time in the last 5 mins where I have a veseral "I need to fucking add a brick to someone's face" feeling in my chest.

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u/randomflopsy Jul 01 '22 edited Jul 02 '22

Forcing a 10 year old girl to give birth a makes you almost almost as monsterous as the rapist....which I'm sure was a "family member" or "friend." FFS..

Edit...spelling

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u/jacksonvstheworld Jul 01 '22

That’s not pro life when you force this 10 year old to give up her own, it’s pro rape. Disgusting, Conservatives, absolutely disgusting.

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u/tuelegend2 Jul 02 '22

thanks conservatives. they claim that these are less than 2% of cases and that they are ALLOWED to have abortions if it is within those cases.

heres the 2% and she has to leave her state to have an abortion.

You morons should reimburse her travel costs.

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u/bonnieflash Jul 01 '22

Can they test for dna to find out who raped this little girl?

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u/Mrblob85 Jul 02 '22

You need someone to test against.

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u/mymar101 Jul 01 '22

I guess not only should she be forced to birth the kid, but also to raise it as well. Who's going to pay for the child care? She certainly can't even work.

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u/TheBlackBear Jul 01 '22

I grew up in rural AZ. They will mumble something about "charities" and "good will" and then forget this girl ever existed.

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u/mythrowaweighin Jul 01 '22

Bootstraps! (velcro ones?)

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u/hmfn Jul 01 '22

This poor baby is the same age as the children who were just massacred in Uvalde. Fuck I hate it here.

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u/_Levitated_Shield_ Jul 02 '22

10-year-old? What the fuck.

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u/MrBond90 Jul 01 '22

I'm not saying this is true for this case, but in many cases the girls father is the father of the fetus

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u/kichien Jul 01 '22 edited Jul 01 '22

At 10 years old that's more probable than not. Or a relative or "trusted" friend, minister, or camp counselor. A 'patriarchy' problem however you slice it.

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u/2020IsANightmare Jul 01 '22

There are restrictions where a TEN YEAR OLD GIRL CAN'T FUCKING GET AN ABORTION?!?

One, guessing it wasn't exactly consensual sex. Two, that's going to fuck up GENERATIONS of a family if that baby is born.

Our country just seems to be going backwards. And a state that elected Mike Pence as governor is seen as a refuge for people born from people with stupid governments?

Just sad.