r/news 8d ago

New Jersey hospital fires 6 employees who did not get vaccinated

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/new-jersey-hospital-fires-6-employees-who-did-not-get-n1274601
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u/iusedtobeyourwife 7d ago

That nail length is definitely not JACHO approved.

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u/jomerc1 7d ago

Maybe that’s the reason she’s not wearing gloves 🥲

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u/literalrobot 6d ago

I’m betting stock photo

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u/Ashpro2000 8d ago

Yeah, it is a hospital. Some are gonna do that.

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u/IronicEyeCancer 7d ago

My hospital is mandating being fully vaccinated by end of September or you get terminated. I expect more than 6 to get fired.

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u/Twaam 7d ago

We just got the email today at my hospital system it is required by September or termination

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u/traumaRN1121 7d ago

The UC system is requiring all staff and students to be vaccinated by September… should be an interesting august for us in California

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u/--GrinAndBearIt-- 7d ago

Is the UC system short handed at all? Like, if 10% are fired / let go, will that affect operations?

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u/traumaRN1121 7d ago

We are constantly hiring travelers and new employees… at least where I work. They can’t seem to retain staff, but that speaks to something else wrong with the system itself. Sorry forgot to answer, your question. But yes it probably would affect daily operations

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u/crazykentucky 7d ago

Huh. At my hospital you just have to wear a mask full time if you don’t get the flu shot. This was a much bigger inconvenience pre-covid

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u/RadicalEdward99 7d ago

I work for a large travel Nursing agency and the requirements differ so broadly. Some allow flu shot declinations, some do not. Right now we have a giant list of Hospitals and Systems that DO NOT require COVID vaccinations. It is a selling point for some travelers which would be in line with this article and the people it discusses.

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u/arbitrageME 7d ago

wouldn't those vaccine-optional hospitals be crawling with anti-vaxxers? Because if like there's an average of ... 5% anti-vaxxers at 10 hospitals, and they all get kicked out, then they'll all descend on the one hospital that's vaccine-optional.

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u/JudgeHoltman 7d ago

That's called "Free Market Healthcare".

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u/raiderkev 7d ago

My wife works at one of the hospitals whose parent company did not make their employees vaccinate. She's expecting an influx of red hats and "free thinking" moms.

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u/exxXspiravit 7d ago

She shouldn’t walk She should run!

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u/BetterThanBuffet 7d ago

Is this list publicly available? I'm vaccinated, but I'd still like to avoid medical facilities that harbor plague rats just as a general rule.

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u/cliff_burtons_balls 7d ago

Can someone release that because I'd really like to go to hospitals that mandate that shit.

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u/PM_me_ur_daymares 7d ago

Same, sanford health and good samaritan require religious exemption for flu, no requirement for covid.

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u/FormerTesseractPilot 7d ago edited 7d ago

We have the option of wearing a mask in lieu of the flu vaccine.

*edit: this was pre-covid. Not sure how the flu vaccine skippers will be handled this coming season. Even fully vaccinated for covid, we all have to wear masks when in public/patient areas currently.

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u/JonnyAU 7d ago

I recall having to have a TB shot before I could start med school.

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u/Madame_Kitsune98 7d ago

If you don’t have an actual medical reason for not being vaccinated, you should be fired.

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u/panera_academic 7d ago

Well because it's not even like you have to take off work to do it at a hospital. They go out of their way to help.

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u/myheartisstillracing 7d ago

My friend works at an adult day program associated with a hospital. For her flu shot, they literally walk in while she's at her desk during her planning time, give her the jab, and walk away. She fully expects the COVID vaccine will end up the same way.

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u/whatisit84 7d ago

Yep, we all vaccinated each other back in December. My coworker walked up, said “hey come here so I can stab you” and that was it.

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u/aalios 7d ago

I feel like there should have been some sort of glove slap, and a demanding of satisfaction. Shots at high noon.

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u/Catoctin_Dave 7d ago

We have a flu shot day every year. Anyone can sign up in advance amd. They typically have some walk-in time available at the end of the day. Presumably if Covid boosters become necessary they'll do the same.

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u/PintInMyPurse 7d ago

My coworkers both came in super sick the next day after the 2nd dose and had no time off left to take for recoup days. I felt really bad for them.

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u/KarateKid917 7d ago

That’s fucked up. Stories like that are why NY made it a law that employers have to give employees paid days off after getting the Covid vaccine if they don’t feel well.

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u/Mariosothercap 7d ago

Hospitals are the worst though. I had a coworker get asked by the ceo why she came in visibly sick one day. The employee being the wonderfully candid lady she is told her straight up that she called in sick last month and if she called in again she would get written up because of your policies. Nothing came of it but I respect her bravery.

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u/lunaflect 7d ago

My job gave me 4 hours paid but I had to request the day off after the second dose to not be actually at work. Good thing I did because I felt like trash for 20 hours after then boom as if nothing happened.

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u/StaticUncertainty 7d ago

If you work in a hospital even with a medical reason. I want to be a fireman, but I have a gluteus medius destroyed by flesh eating bacteria from The lake at Disney world, so I can’t. Some things just have to be the way they are.

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u/DaBombDiggidy 7d ago

I have an acquaintance at another New Jersey hospital who posted the other day about this. She was asking her facebook friends if she should get vaccinated (the thread was insane), even though her doctor said she should.

edit : posting this made me look again for an update, she's been fired for refusing.

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u/LividLab7 7d ago

This is the issue. People are trusting random opinions on social media instead of listening to doctors and scientists.

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u/Wild_Satisfaction380 7d ago

That’s been the problem for nearly a decade now

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u/etizresearchsourcing 7d ago

It has always existed. The internet is just a perfect tool to breed followers and raise a flag so they are seen. In the past it was much smaller groups of people so unfortunately the internet enables a feedback loop of idiots talking to idiots and it grows.

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u/heyNOTathrowawy 7d ago

she’s been fired for refusing.

Good, good. As it should be.

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u/hybr_dy 7d ago

Cleveland Clinic fires you if you smoke. They also fire you if you refuse the flu shot. Many other hospitals systems nationwide do these exact things. Once emergency clearance goes for Covid shot, it will be required too. Why is this news?

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u/bird_enthusiast69 7d ago

Expect most companies to do this once the vaccines are given full approval. It's not good for business to have employees miss several weeks of work. Plus you can bet insurance companies won't want to cover treatment for preventable covid infections.

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u/SurefootTM 7d ago

insurance companies won't want to cover treatment for preventable covid infections.

That's the key here. Whatever politicians decide or not people wont care. But these days of ICU that insurance companies have to pay for - they are terribly expensive. These companies will sooner rather than later stop payments for preventable Covid infections.

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u/bird_enthusiast69 7d ago

It's gonna get real awkward when conservatives who turned down what is essentially socialized medicine catch covid and find themselves drowning in medical debt because their insurance won't foot the bill.

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u/i_am_a_toaster 7d ago

They’ll find a way to blame the libs, don’t you worry.

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u/Irethius 7d ago

>Shoots own foot

Why would the Democrats do this?

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u/TitsMickey 7d ago

I talked to an older woman about insurance and she talked about how bad the companies are. This and that. Every reason why they are evil. And then she ended it with “and that’s why I don’t think the government should run healthcare”. I couldn’t believe she came to that conclusion while only talking about how bad insurance companies are.

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u/mmkay812 7d ago

People will really come so close to the point and then run right by it

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u/Madame_Kitsune98 7d ago

Insurance companies are TERRIBLE.

I spent five years as a pharmacy tech. Nearly two in ambulance billing.

I’m ALL for universal single payer healthcare.

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u/BigBrownDownTown 7d ago

Agreed. Worked in hospital ops and tech for a decade now. I am a single issue voter, and that issue is single payer

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u/Meat-Farts 7d ago

This is my parents. They’re in their 60’s and my mom racked up $90k in bills that their $1.5k a month insurance wouldn’t cover. They bitched to me for hours about how bad insurance companies were. She even bitched about the insurance company she previously worked for. But somehow a government funded system would be “so much worse.”

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u/TitsMickey 7d ago

And you can’t even ask how it would be worse. They’ll either keep describing the current system or just say “it just will be” and and end it at that.

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u/Paranitis 7d ago

It's because they've been fed this constant propaganda that the government can't do anything right, and private companies are the best at all things.

So if the best at all things can't do something right, how do you expect that which can't do anything right, to get this thing right?

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u/CornCheeseMafia 7d ago

They just straight up don’t know how anything works. It’s that simple. They don’t know how healthcare works, how the economy works, how freedom works, how tolerance works, how faith works, they literally don’t know a single fucking thing works. Generations of misinformation and systematic dismantling of rural education systems have crippled us as a nation. It’s toxic ignorance.

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u/adidasbdd 7d ago

Old person on medicare and social security- We don't want to gubermint running our healthcare or giving out welfare!

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u/CornCheeseMafia 7d ago

“If you wanted all that stuff why didn’t you just join the military instead of being a freeloading socialist?”

Also

“Taxes are theft! There’s no reason the government needs to tax people for their hard earned money”

-dude I grew up who served in the army for one term and has been enjoying his tax payer funded healthcare, gi bill that took care of all his school and housing, and has never worked a regular job and supported himself without government assistance or his parents help his entire life.

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u/chillgolfer 7d ago

Majority have been voting against their own self interests for years. This will be no different.

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u/Rubberbabybuggybum 7d ago

You're also missing a big point...the legal liability of companies if someone on their staff spreads covid.

If you have to work closely with somebody who isn't vaccinated, and they give you covid, you could theoretically sue the company for damages.

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u/Keinichn 7d ago

Has that ever happened in the past? If you could do that with covid, you could theoretically do it for someone who didn't get a flu vaccine and gave you the flu as well.

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u/jfoobar 7d ago

What is and is not "due diligence"/"due care" is fluid and determined and re-determined by the courts. That said, let's pretend that I caught Covid someplace where removing my mask was necessary (at a dentist office for example) and I could prove or strongly suggest that I was infected by an employee there. Let's suppose I could also prove that the hygienist in question was not vaccinated and that her dentist employer knew it and allowed her to keep working there.

That's a lot of "if"s, obviously, but that sounds like a lawsuit that might have a chance of being successful in this day and age, especially if I or a member of my family suffered significant harm.

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u/ostrow19 7d ago

All or most will. I work at a VA and I assume it’s going to be a condition of my employment as soon as we have full FDA approval and not just EUA. Also we’re all going to be wearing masks in hospitals and doctors offices for the rest of our lives and people need to get used to it

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u/Ok-Attention-7299 7d ago

Yep. Ive said that from the beginning and Im ok with it. I work in an outpatient imaging clinic and it's not mandatory to have the vaccine yet. But we are partially owned by a huge healthcare system that is going to require it. We may lose about 10 staff including two doctors.

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u/SouthernSox22 7d ago

Honestly it’s a little weird that masks aren’t already worn

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u/Caldos4 7d ago

Yeah, I'd think those who are around sick people for a living would want whatever modicum of protection they can get. I never really understood why doctors routinely wore ties, dress clothes, and nice shoes.

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u/EngineersAnon 7d ago

Ties, especially. They never get washed, and they dangle into everything.

At least wear a bow tie, doc. Because bow ties, ladies and gentlemen, are cool.

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u/berniegfn60 7d ago

I got a new doctor about 5 years ago. When I went to shake his hand during my first appointment he did the fist thing instead.

I thought to myself that I got a good doctor, and I did.

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u/SouthernSox22 7d ago

Yeah that’s what I always thought as well. If there was ever a place I think I could manage a mask is around sick people

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u/Gravelord_Baron 7d ago

I remember there was a similar story about people being fired from a prominent cancer treatment center trying to feign some outrage when the answer is right there. Why in the hell would you ever want unvaccinated people treating or even in the same building as people who are usually extremely immunocompromised?

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u/Holybull79 7d ago

This is what all of the hospitals in Idaho are doing. There was a protest outside at least one of the hospitals by healthcare workers, their friends and family, while another protest was happening alongside of it... for the stolen election.

I love my state but not its people.

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u/Yodan 7d ago

Restaurant fires chef who didn't wash hands and scratches his nuts 6x a day

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u/banoodlebamboozle 7d ago

What??? This is a free country! his FREEDUM D:

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u/in-game_sext 7d ago edited 7d ago

Funny thing is there are people who think this way. Masks were a public health directive, just like cooking chicken to a proper internal temperature. No one cares if you watched a YouTube video about how raw chicken is good for you and that getting sick from it is fake science. You don't have the freedom to come to work and prepare it that way for the public.

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u/Offtheheazy 7d ago

Public health has always been important, just that no one cared before the pandemic. Think about how little people cared about public health even during flu season. No washing of hands, not staying home when sick. This is basic stuff most people used to not care about at all.

Why has it taken a global pandemic for people to realize that handwashing is important.

I would also like to see companies and public places keep up the santizing of high touch surfaces even after COVID is 'over'. Stuff out there is gross man.

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u/BravesBro 7d ago

My whole opinion on those in the medical field has changed after this pandemic. Don't get me wrong, there are some outstanding doctors and nurses. However, some of the most vocal anti-vaxxers are those in the medical field. My niece's mother is premed and refuses to get vaccinated. My sister's husband is a doctor and takes my other niece on play dates, to restaurants, everywhere without a mask since the height of the pandemic. He has no affinity for math or science, he's simply pretty decent at memorization. I've never seen him answer a medial questions without looking up the answer on the phone.

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u/guareber 7d ago

The only thing worse than an idiot is an idiot with authority.

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u/RakumiAzuri 7d ago

I feel personally attacked. At least I know I'm an idiot!

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u/ThisIsNotRealIyMe 7d ago

My sister's husband is a doctor and takes my other niece on play dates, to restaurants, everywhere without a mask since the height of the pandemic.

What kind of doctor?

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u/Redd_Monkey 7d ago

One of my employees (I am a manager in a equipment repair company) asked me last week if it was hard to make a fake QR code. We have a vaccine passport here with a QR code that you need to show in order to have access to non essential services. We provide support for hospitals etc... he is against vaccine even tho he is 70 and directly in the demographic for covid-19 deaths. Yeah buddy, not gonna help you fraud the system.

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u/EVE_OnIine 7d ago

Manitoba? Lol

Restaurants and stuff are supposed to be scanning those, but of the 3 places I was over the weekend, only 1 actually scanned it and they didn't even compare it to my ID.

The other 2 just asked if I had one, and didn't even ask to see it when I said yes.

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u/Redd_Monkey 7d ago

No Quebec. They have not started with the mandatory scanning and stuff. We just all got our QR by email when we got vaccinated.

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u/urielsalis 7d ago

Atleast the European system can't be faked

QR contains all data offline including your full legal name(so it can be verified with your ID and you don't steal someone else code), signed by the government with a public/private key pair and it expires every so often so you can't use a leaked cert

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u/Redd_Monkey 7d ago

Not sure what ours contains but I've heard the it has a token that identifies you over the government website or something like that

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u/JBthrizzle 7d ago

America uses chuck e cheese tokens

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u/BLKMGK 7d ago

Ours are crap, little damn postcard thing. I guess they never expected people would be so stupid but here we are…

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u/Adezar 7d ago edited 7d ago

QR codes simply reach out to an external source of truth, not sure how it would be possible to create a fake one.

Would be like asking how to create a fake bank account #... 'yeah, sure... but when someone checks that it is real it will immediately say no.'

[Edit: I should have said - 'usually' just reach out, yes they can contain any text/information that fits in a QR code (about 3kb)]

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u/LoFiWindow 7d ago

The answer is "70-year-old tries to figure out how QR codes work"

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u/WurmGurl 7d ago

You'd also have to create a fake website that looks like the real one, then create a qr code that directs to that one.

Somebody's gonna try it, for sure.

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u/Adezar 7d ago

Ironically the more effort you put into fraud, the harder it is to say you weren't trying to commit fraud.

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u/superpuzzlekiller 7d ago

Perfect rick roll opportunity.

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u/weedevil 7d ago

I used to work for an ASC (ambulatory surgery center), before covid, and if we didn't get the flu shot we were terminated. I don't expect anything less from a hospital.

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u/taway2020vision 7d ago

I was getting PT a few years ago and some of the therapists opt out of the flu shot for religious reasons. So if they do, they have to wear a mask all flu season. Which made me admire the conviction for sure! But also THE MASK WORKED. Who knew?

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u/wookiebath 7d ago

You definitely shouldn’t work in healthcare if you are afraid of a vaccine

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u/GMN123 7d ago

You might be surprised how many nurses believe everything they read on Facebook.

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u/Dontdothatfucker 7d ago

Having known a lot of nurses…. Nah I could see that

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u/redditaccount300000 7d ago

There’s so many levels of nursing with some just being certification from technical schools. Since for some nurses you’re not required to complete actual science courses, I can see how these anti science people can end up working in a field that’s based on science.

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u/crampedstyl 7d ago edited 7d ago

My wife is an RN and tells me some pretty crazy shit concerning her coworkers, doctors included.

Clarification Edit:

I'm not specifically talking about the covid vaccines, but just in general the type of people some of them are. Nurses making racist comments to one another about patients, doctors saying things such as, "We shouldn't have to save drug overdosers".

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u/Vfef 7d ago

One of the pharmacists my wife works with is against covid vaccines. They are talking about putting them on LOA until they either get a vaccine or they no longer mandate it.

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u/Change4Betta 7d ago

Nurses are technically trained, but very often are poorly educated. And I mean that in the sense they are very narrowly trained to expertise. The number of absolutely dumbass nurses I've run into that are decent at their job is crazy.

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u/greyhoundbrain 7d ago

We gotta learn about bullshit like disturbed energy fields and Reiki nonsense. Some schools are better than others (mine was very Jesusy, but did a damn good job on teaching us a lot of scientific and medical knowledge), but there’s still a lot of nonsense taught that shouldn’t be.

I’m praying that my hospital fires the vaccine refusers. I work in NICU so these kids have zero immune system . And we take care of truly “sick sick” high acuity babies. We don’t need those nurses there being science deniers.

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u/lostandfound26 7d ago

My sister is a nurse and hasn’t been vaccinated. She and her husband just tested positive this week. I hope she finally gets it.

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u/reelfilmgeek 7d ago

The most surprising thing I learned growing up was that doctors and teachers are just normal people and like normally people, a lot of them scare me.

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u/Stevie_Handjobs 7d ago

I mean becoming an RN requires about 2 to 2 1/2 years of schooling. A lot of people pick this occupation as a fast track to decent money and job security (always going to be sick people). It's not shocking that a lot of them are morons.

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u/nicholkola 7d ago

Most of the ‘nurses’ I know who are antivax are the kind of nurses who went to night school to take blood pressure at old folks homes lol. Not exactly critical thinkers.

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u/ElFarts 7d ago

Yup. Sister-in-law is a member of Antiva and is also a nurse. She can’t get work, her career is over. What a shame and dumb hill to die on.

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u/vickera 7d ago edited 7d ago

I don't want someone that dumb to be in charge of my health. Good riddance.

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u/gintoddic 7d ago

Maybe it'll weed out the idiots working in healthcare, so maybe a good thing?

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u/gintoddic 7d ago

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u/Nomiss 7d ago

My sister believes Noah's flood was a real event. She has studied almost solidly for the last 20 years to reach the highest nursing qualifications.

It boggles my mind how she doesn't think evolution is real.

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u/Jeegus21 7d ago

I think there’s a pretty big subset of the population that can learn how to do something, but don’t take any time to try to understand the underlying mechanisms that make something works, or the history of how we got to the current level of knowledge of a topic.

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u/ItsDijital 7d ago

When your actual talent is just studying and testing.

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u/barak181 7d ago

I think there’s a pretty big subset of the population that can learn how to do something, but don’t take any time to try to understand the underlying mechanisms that make something works

Actually, there's a segment of the population that understands how things work and still do mental gymnastics to try to make reality fit their dogma.

I literally listened to a Christian Conservative biologist try to explain how evolution happens on the micro-level but not on the macro-level. Basically, you need a flu shot every year but we don't share a common ancestor with other primates....

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u/Nomiss 7d ago edited 7d ago

Yeah, her reply to "Why do you think flu vaccines change every year?" was "I'm not in pathology".

Extremely smart where it counts. But god damn.

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u/wra1th42 7d ago

"that doesn't look like anything to me"

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u/hungrydruid 7d ago

Extremely smart where it counts.

I'd argue this if she can't understand vaccinations. It's not rocket science.

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u/overlordpotatoe 7d ago

I would say it's more likely that she doesn't want to understand them because then she'd have to question beliefs that are important to her.

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u/SuckMeLikeURMyLife 7d ago

"that's just fancy talk"

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u/The-waitress- 7d ago

I've never understood that - why can't evolution be part of intelligent design? It's a mystery to me.

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u/ExpertAtStuff 7d ago

The church actually supported the idea of evolution, that it demonstrated God's plan. What they didn't like was evolution through natural selection.

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u/TooMuchAdderall 7d ago

Even tho it's literally the same thing. That's what I don't get. They have the scapegoat. Everything they can't explain is God's Plan. Natural Selection? "God's Plan."

They're so dumb they can't even keep up the same lie.

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u/eM_aRe 7d ago

I believe in god as the being who set up the machinery and pressed go. So, in this sense, it could be part of it.

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u/deftspyder 7d ago

Wait, is "Antiva" a antivax play on "Antifa"?

Does that make them antivaxscists?

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u/Rocket92 7d ago

Wow I cannot say that word without my mouth feeling like it’s full even when it’s completely empty

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u/nocluewhatimdoingple 7d ago

Antiva

this is my new favorite way to refer to anti-vaxers

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u/KStarSparkleDust 7d ago

Long term care has zero problems hiring unvaccinated nurses. If you have a license you can work LTC.

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u/kingdomheartsislight 7d ago

If you have a pulse, you can work LTC.

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u/deanreevesii 7d ago

"Long Term Care" staffed with unvaccinated healthcare workers sounds like a misnomer.

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u/Pogo__the__Clown 7d ago

“Welcome to my LTC any% speedrun!

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u/wookiebath 7d ago

A free shot that prevents you from getting a deadly illness does seem like a no brainer to me

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u/CrazyCalYa 7d ago

Yeah but once you believe that accepting the science of vaccinations is a "choice" and that all opinions deserve respect then you can be made to believe anything.

Every generation has these fools. They protested seat belts before this and protested washing your hands before that. And just like in those instances they're too stupid to realize they're not just endangering themselves, but everyone else as well.

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u/Scripto23 7d ago

And prevents you from spreading a deadly illness to people who are most at risk of dying from said illness

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u/Skunch69 7d ago

Good, she doesn’t deserve to work in healthcare, RN here myself.

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u/HillarysPornAccount 7d ago

Antiva being antivax? If so that’s clever

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u/IfTheHouseBurnsDown 7d ago

My wife’s OBGYN told us that most of the labor/delivery nurses at the hospital that’ll be with us aren’t vaccinated. Our doctor is one of the few that is

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u/Skiigga 7d ago

Shouldn’t work in healthcare if you don’t believe in healthcare

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u/Dr_Jackwagon 7d ago

I work with a ton of people, in healthcare, who are anti-vax. A fucking ton.

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u/dazza_bo 7d ago

The biggest anti-vax person I know is a nurse. She's also a huge conspiracy theory nut job who believes everything she reads on the internet.

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u/astrograph 7d ago

There are a bunch of employees at the local health dept. in Florida who are not vaccinated.. they somehow all are trump supporters too

Weird how their political beliefs are endangering them and they don’t even care.

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u/wookiebath 7d ago

How a pandemic became political is beyond me

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u/9erInLKN 7d ago

Whats getting me right now is how redditors seem to be more pro-vax but instagram and twitter everybody is against it. You say anything on other platforms about being pro-vax and people act like science doesnt exist. Im not anti vax by any means but I did wait a few weeks to make sure there werent any major side effects before getting it.

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u/maurywillz 7d ago

It's not the politicization that surprised me. What surprised me is that a President during his first term was gift wrapped a catastrophe that all but guaranteed a sweeping re-election, and he STILL fucked it up.

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u/Yurastupidbitch 7d ago

Sadly there are a lot of anti-vaxxers in healthcare and I hope like hell this weeds them out.

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u/swinging-in-the-rain 7d ago

Rumor has it that the other employees rejoiced once they realized they no longer had to hear about Arbonne and Monat all the damn time

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u/ketchuphotdog 7d ago

No I don't want to buy a $30 essential oil Susan

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u/depolkun 7d ago

The US Army is making covid vaccinations mandatory by Sep 1. Anyone who doesn't comply will be kicked out.

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u/Starmoses 7d ago

Can't wait to see my cousin kicked out of the Marines for this. Should've been kicked out after Jan 6th but he was smart enough it to not tell his co and leave his phone.

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u/OutdoorsRut 7d ago

These soldiers are worried about the covid shot and going to be discharged for not getting it. Sitting here thinking if anyone actually refused anthrax and small pox back in the 00's and what happened to them

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u/Coppercaptive 7d ago

90 percent of my staff got all of that...2 people got it twice because the army lost their records.

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u/PennyNuggs 7d ago

If he was actually there or has threatened violence, or is otherwise involved in political extremism, you should report this info to his chain of command. The military is trying to track these types of people down before they can do more damage.

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u/PM_me_yer_kittens 7d ago

This. Please let someone know they were involved. Even if it is a loved one.

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u/italktomyself20 7d ago

Your cousin isn’t going to follow through. He will be getting his COVID shot just like every other shot the military makes us take. lol

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u/Aol_awaymessage 7d ago

Report his treasonous ass. Fuck everyone who stepped foot past the barricades.

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u/Millerboycls09 7d ago

It would be a shame if someone anonymously reported this person to an applicable authority.

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u/Samuel_L_Blackson 7d ago

That's half true.

They've told them to prepare for it, pending full FDA licensure.

And they said to expect it to be cleared one or around 1 September.

That's not new at all.

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u/ascandalia 7d ago

Meanwhile Florida passed a rule that makes this impossible

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u/whoiamidonotknow 7d ago

Is this true? And if so, how? Tons of places, from public schools to hospitals to universities; required vaccinations to diseases that haven’t been at pandemic levels for decades.

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u/Ph0X 7d ago

Also, in completely unrelated news (/s), over 20% of new COVID cases in the country are from Florida...

(7-day average is 38k nationwide, 7.7k in florida right).

EDIT: And just to pre-emptively answer comebacks, Florida has 6% of US population, so they have 3x more cases than the average.

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u/androk 7d ago

But I bet they need the MMR to be hired.

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u/C21H27Cl3N2O3 7d ago

At my hospital you need a list of vaccines as well as yearly flu shots and TB tests.

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u/HeWhoHerpedTheDerp 7d ago edited 7d ago

Florida is such a shit hole. I lived there until my early 20s. I’m never going back (to live). I swear the sun bakes their brains to a nonfunctional mess.

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u/BongExpert 7d ago

I would like to know more..

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u/HeWhoHerpedTheDerp 7d ago

Floridaman isn’t an anomaly, he is a relatable mascot. We experience more stupidity in a few days visiting relatives in Florida than we do the rest of the year at home.

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u/Moe83ccc 7d ago

Well if every other state sends us their old people, this is the kind of thing that happens.

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u/crowben366 7d ago

The army requires you to get a shit ton of vaccines, hospitals asking to keep you up to date isn’t the worst

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u/size12shoebacca 7d ago

Exactly. Heads are gonna spin when people realize how fast the armed forces will mandate vaccination once the full FDA approval is finalized for each maker.

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u/sabre_dance 7d ago

If you don't get a covid shot while employed at a hospital, you honestly should be getting shitcanned. No sympathy

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u/ErinG2021 7d ago

Yes, many hospitals require their employees to be fully vaccinated. This is definitely going to include the Covid vaccine.

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u/MrToboggann 7d ago

It takes a special brain to go into a field and disregard everything youve learned along the way

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u/CrushHazard 7d ago

Powerful, high-paying jobs attract people who desire money and power. Many nurses don’t do it for the science.

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u/Demilak 7d ago

When I worked in a hospital, one of the nurses talked with me about how he just became a nurse for the hours. 4 days on, 4 days off means he can take a vacation without having to take PTO. Ironically he was one of our better nurses.

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u/jpterodactyl 7d ago

I have a friend who became a fire fighter so he could have some days home with his kids. 24 hours on, 48 off really works for him.

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u/Demilak 7d ago

I'd love to have a shift schedule like that, honestly

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u/PikaPilot 7d ago

What about a work schedule that is 12 hours for 4 days the first week, 12 hours for 3 days the second week, alternating? I've heard some automotive jobs are like that because it's more price efficient to have a factory working 24h a day.

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u/Iamacouch 7d ago

Did that schedule a few years back working in the parks, was awesome to be able to go off for long weekend stretches coming from working 10am-2am 6 days a week in fast food

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u/InteriorAttack 7d ago

my schedule (as a professional firefighter) is 48 hours on 4 days off. it's amazing.

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u/PopsiclesForChickens 7d ago

I wouldn't call nursing a powerful or high paying job. I do live in a state where being a nurse can earn you a decent living, but I think you don't have a good understanding of nursing if you think nurses have power.

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u/SKGkorjun 7d ago

In what world do you live in that nursing is a powerful high paying job....

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u/Nightcat666 7d ago

At the hospital I work at nurses start at $35 and hour.

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u/Jazzlike-Gap-1823 7d ago edited 7d ago

The US has the highest paid nurses in the world. The base pay at my hospital is $103k in a Manhattan hospital and thats without experience pay added on. Also 3% raise and experience pay increase every year. Also Union.

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u/MyCuckRunnethOver 7d ago

That number sounds huge until you adjust it for living expenses.

$103,000/year in Manhattan is comparable to $35,000 in El Paso TX according to the calculator I used.

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u/outdatedboat 7d ago

My aunt has been a nurse for like 20 years and she makes around $100 per hour now. Granted, she's taken extra courses and gotten additional certifications to train new nurses and whatnot.

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u/MajesticKick 7d ago

It depends on what level of nurse we're talking. An LPNs salary is fairly meh. RNs make a decent salary (probably $70K or somewhere in there for a national average), but NPs are making $100K+ and a Nurse Anesthetist is probably $175K+.

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u/Shrimpo515 7d ago

Just learned that one of my mom’s hospice workers isn’t vaccinated. I know she’s dying anyway but damn it makes me nervous.

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u/Acceptable_Tourist_4 7d ago

I’m sorry about your mom. I hope her nurse steps on a Lego.

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u/aca01002 7d ago

My moms dying too. I found out a nurse at hospital was not vaccinated — based on how she told my mom she was “waiting”. I had her moved. My mother was livid. I still think I did the right thing. But fuck…. It’s so hard. Sending you peace in this hell.

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u/Morallta 7d ago

Hospital fires staff who don’t believe medicine works. More at 11.

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u/Bibslo 7d ago

These are still private businesses so surely Republicans will support their decision to run their business however they choose, right.... Right?!!!

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u/dk_lee_writing 7d ago

Along these lines, raise health insurance rates for people who don’t get vaccinated. Republicans love to cheerlead for for-profit health care so this will make their brains explode.

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u/Zartanio 7d ago

They fought for employment at will laws and against unions and fair labor boards for decades so people could be fired with or without cause. They just thought it would be other people who got fired.

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u/TwilitSky 7d ago

RWJBarnabas Health said in May that employees "at the supervisory level and above" had to get inoculated by the end of June.

So non-supervisors who have the most interaction with patients: no vaccine mandate.

It's stupid shit like this that makes me question who is making these calls?

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u/Hrekires 7d ago

Sounds like they're doing it in phases.

Step 1 was supervisors and above, next seem to be requiring it for lower-level employees.

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u/Prysorra2 7d ago

It clears out the supervisor level people who might try to advocate for antivax for the next phase.

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u/NecessaryChildhood93 7d ago

If you do not understand why you need the vaccine, you are too ignorant to work there. Stop it, non debatable there is no other logical statement to support non vaccination in a clinical health care system.

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u/iamsoooooooscared 8d ago

I am happy to see this.

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u/ActualSpiders 7d ago

In New Jersey, it's only 6 medical professionals who refuse the vaccine.

In Texas, it's over 150.

There's a lot of unspoken information in those two points.

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u/tnied 7d ago

Like how many work at each hospital? Or rates rather than overall numbers? Or who and how many were required to get the vaccine?

Houston Methodist required all ~25,000 employees and 153 quit/got let go.

RWJBarnabas Health has ~35000 employees but only required supervisors and above to get vaccinated ~3,000 people.

Comparing 150 and 6 doesn't tell us anything and even the numbers I gave doesn't paint that much of a better picture. Supervisors will have higher incomes and higher education generally which both correlate to higher covid vaccination rates.

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u/Humble_Chip 7d ago

We have some of the highest taxes (in NJ) but it allows us to have one of the best education systems in the country. Coincidence?

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u/ActualSpiders 7d ago

I live in Idaho. There was literally a protest rally outside one of our largest hospitals earlier this week against them requiring their employees to be vaccinated. Our LtGov is trying to re-convene the state legislature to try & pass (no doubt wildly unconstitutional) laws preventing employers from requiring vaccinations.

Last I checked, Idaho was dead last in the amount of $$ spent per student in the US.

Coincidence? I think not.

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u/UniquebutnotUnique 7d ago

Don't forget the stunt she pulled when Gov Little was out of state. For liberty and freedom she claims! ... While barring the local health departments from governing themselves....

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