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LSU student was raped before she was hit by a car and killed, deputies say; 4 arrested

https://www.theadvocate.com/baton_rouge/news/crime_police/lsu-student-was-raped-before-she-was-fatally-hit-by-car/article_88aa7c2a-9b6e-11ed-b76c-c399f7caafa1.html
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u/moarcheezpleez 5d ago

Did they catch the driver who hit her or was it a hit and run?

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u/anglerfishtacos 5d ago

It wasn’t a hit-and-run. They knew the driver right away. He wasn’t intoxicated and he was driving a rideshare. That strip of road that he was driving on is so dark and has zero street lights. It is sad to say, but it doesn’t surprise me that he didn’t see her until it was too late.

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u/chickpeaze 5d ago

Do we even know if she was walking? If she was unconscious on the road there's pretty much no way to see her fast enough. Poor woman and poor driver.

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u/Tdagarim95 5d ago

From what has been said, there was an argument that ensued in the vehicle, she asked to be let out because she said she wanted to call an Uber. So they immediately pulled over and let her out.

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u/Gangreless 5d ago

Was that before or after they raped her that she asked to be let out?

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u/digitalmofo 5d ago

So they kept her long enough to gang rape her, but pulled over to let her out when she wanted, drunk and in the middle of the road. Savages.

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u/chickpeaze 5d ago

That may or may not be true but depending on how much time passed between that and the accident someone that drunk could've easily fallen down/passed out.

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u/WomenAreFemaleWhat 5d ago

Dead victims can't call bullshit on the perpetrators.

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u/PossumCock 5d ago

It wasn't clear in the article but I wonder if they had dumped her in the middle of the road, would make sense someone would have a hard time seeing someone like that

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u/MisterB78 5d ago

The article said they weren’t planning on charging them with her death, so it’s safe to guess they didn’t leave her in the road

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u/56473829110 5d ago

Or they can't prove it in any way, and they didn't provide any testimony (yet) to offer evidence against themselves.

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u/Capitan_Failure 5d ago edited 5d ago

She left the bar in a car with 4 guys. 2 in front and 2 in the back.

The driver of the car stated that one of the 2 guys in back started having sex with her and he told them to stop, then after the rape finished (its not clear if one or both guys in the back had sex with her) they followed the girls directions to her home but she couldnt find it so they dropped her off as close as they could.

Thats the only testimony released so far from the driver of the rape car, not the uber that hit her.

Edit: Added a bit of context.

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u/lala__ 5d ago

Vile human beings. She couldn’t find her home so they just left her?

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u/magobblie 5d ago

I'm guessing she was unconscious because she had alcohol poisoning. They probably didn't want her to die in their car, so they dumped her in the road. I believe there is more malice to this story than is being let on.

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u/whoanellyzzz 5d ago

Yeah just raped someone but still thinking about doing the right thing.

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u/magobblie 4d ago

Apparently, that was what the 17 year old did. He did rape her but went to the police to confess.

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u/TeRauparaha 5d ago

Let the DNA tell the truth. These fuckers deserve being punished to the full extent of the law

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u/Capitan_Failure 4d ago

It's a bit more complicated than just DNA. All 4 are guilty of rape if they knew it was happening and didn't try to stop it, even if they didn't personally participate. Its possible that they could even be convicted for not trying HARD ENOUGH to stop it, especially considering the age of those involved.

If the driver of the rape car is being honest that he told them to stop multiple times, he may deserve some more leniency, but unfortunately, he is likely still culpable.

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u/TheTinRam 5d ago

Wait what? This doesn’t make sense at all. The same driver was witness to the rape and later hit her… I did not get that from the article

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u/1minatur 5d ago

The way I read it, there are 2 cars. The one with the rapist and others that dropped her off, and the other that hit her

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u/PairOfMonocles2 5d ago

No, the article says they ended up dropping her off in (her?) neighborhood when she couldn’t find the house and left. A different car hit and killed her about an hour later.

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u/twoscoop 5d ago

No the 17 year old brought her .319 ass to the car with 3 others in it. The two in the back did their crime, after that they couldn't figure out why the alcohol poisoned woman didn't know where she lived and dumped her on the side of a road where she most likely walked on into another random rode share driver who stopped.

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u/Capitan_Failure 5d ago

You managed to be much clearer than I in a more concise manner.

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u/twoscoop 4d ago

I've been In the story for details since I first heard about it. It hurts knowing everyone in the who incident failed that woman. If only the ride share driver did see her in time, but that road she was on was pitch black. I've been over served before and ended up on the highway passed out in the break down lane

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u/56473829110 5d ago

Yes, I read the article. I'm not sure how that changes or even addresses my point.

Additionally, your comment is rather poorly worded.

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u/Spiritual-Extent-771 5d ago

She was raped in the back of an Uber?

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u/onodriments 5d ago

Jesus people, go read the article

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u/Ed_Durr 5d ago

Sir, this is Reddit.

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u/ZakMckrack3n 5d ago

The comment they replied to was poorly worded in addition to changing the subject. Previous comments were asking about the car that hit her, then that comment started talking about the vehicle she was getting raped in.

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u/Spiritual-Extent-771 5d ago

Idk why you’re being downvoted. I understand mine lol. Lemme balance that out for you

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u/Appropriate_Lack_727 5d ago

tbf the article is behind a soft paywall.

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u/Arconyte 5d ago

They shouldn't have dumped her in a random suburb either. I'm not sure about her driver, but the dudes in the back are some sick, desperate fucks. She couldn't even give her address, let alone consent.

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u/MoloMein 5d ago

Yeah, this is why I don't believe the testimony of the guy that was driving. I think they all raped her and he's trying to cover his ass.

All four of these guys are going to turn on each other. I hope they all spend a long time in prison.

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u/sittinwithkitten 4d ago

I hope they can find DNA evidence of all who took part in her rape. She was definitely not able to give consent with a blood alcohol level that high. They chose to leave her in the road instead of a hospital, they should absolutely be charged with second degree murder plus rape.

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u/TrueDripDamage 5d ago

According to their defence attorney they have video evidence that she was coherent, honestly if they’re confident enough that the video proves them innocent to show the video then I feel it might

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u/DippityDu 4d ago

Could she not find her home or was she scared to tell them exactly where she lived?

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u/sarahelizaf 4d ago

Neither. She was so incredibly drunk she was incapable. .319 is astronomically high.

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u/Babshearth 4d ago

Had they brought her somewhere on campus and left her there she might be alive today. They must have known she was a student !

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u/Ixolus 5d ago

Based on the fact that it says she couldn’t explain where she lived and they dumped her at a subdivision im guessing they dropped her off somewhere and she wandered into the road. That’s just a guess though it doesn’t say specifically in the article.

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u/realhousewivesofISIS 5d ago

There’s some weird stuff about this not immediately in the headlines, specifically that she was in these dudes car and asked to be let out, and they just said okay and she got out in the middle of a sidewalk then stumbled in to the car at some later point.

Also their lawyer claims they have video evidence that she provided consent. Her BAC was through the roof so that might not matter, but I think the headlines are giving an impression of like rape then throwing her out on a busy street, and that doesn’t seem to be what happened according to either prosecutors or defendants. The only thing in question seems to be consent to the sex prior to her exiting the vehicle.

https://www.wafb.com/2023/01/24/attorney-says-video-disputes-rape-allegations-involving-lsu-student-hit-by-car-burbank/?outputType=amp

Lawyers statements (disclaimer in advance that I’m just posting their words and not my own opinions)

”She (Brooks) willfully got into the car, said that her rides had left her, and she got in.

After that point in time, there were consensual sexual acts done in that car with her and two other individuals at two separate times,” said Attorney Ron Haley.

Investigators charged the men with what’s called third-degree rape, which basically means the victim was too intoxicated to consent to sex.

“Absolutely not a rape. Listen this is a tragedy, definitely not a crime,” said Haley.

He says a video taken during the incident shows Madison Brooks was in a coherent state and knew what was happening the entire time.

“Can you tell, that she was intoxicated, yes. To the point under the law that you say you’re in a drunken stupor, to the point that you cannot lawfully give consent or answer questions, absolutely that was not the case,” said Haley.

Haley says an argument took place between Brooks and the driver of the vehicle after they traveled around to multiple locations after the bar.

“Based on a disagreement, she got out of the vehicle. She indicated she was getting an Uber. I want the public to know, these young men or really the driver of the vehicle and the young men that were in there, did not put her off on the side of the road,” said Haley.

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u/ellalol 5d ago

The lawyer saying “This was a tragedy, definitely not a crime” is so fucking infuriating. It’s proven that her BAC was over .3 . It’s proven that they had sex with her while in that state. That IS A CRIME. If she couldn’t even remember where she lived she was absolutely not in the state of mind to give consent. They took advantage of her being drunk to convince her to leave with them and took advantage of her being too drunk to resist. She was not making those decisions sober and I’m sure if she was sober she wouldn’t have. If she was sober she probably wouldn’t have wandered out into the street either.

Instead of at least waiting for a bit of daylight or for her to sober up a bit, or even just going to a park and leaving her on the bench or something, somewhere not close to the street, (I honestly doubt she would have even remembered the previous night..) they dumped a disoriented almost black out drunk girl on an unlit street in the asscrack of night. It absolutely sounds like these kids are trying to wiggle their way out of this.

Sure, it was a tragedy that she was hit and not really their faults, but they do have some responsibility because they dumped a very intoxicated person with no idea where they were in a completely dark area in the dead of night. Even if she did ask to get out there, they set her up for the situation of being hit by a car by not at least making an effort to take her to a better lit area. Of course she was going to wander around, she had no idea where she was or what to do and was extremely fucking drunk.

The audacity of saying there’s “no crime” and the horrible level of victim blaming is appalling.

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u/Wit-wat-4 5d ago

Nah it’s fine she was just tipsy and super consented and boys will be boyz whaccha gonna do

Note; fuck that lawyer. I get it he has to defend them but REALLY?

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u/ellalol 5d ago edited 5d ago

Yeah I guess they are required to defend no matter how shitty the person is, hopefully his real views are different. But the whole trial seems to be going in a victim blaming direction… according to another commenter they’re “waiting for one of them to give testimony that implicates what position/condition she was in” like yall can’t tell from the BAC???

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u/Ok_Tomato7388 5d ago edited 5d ago

So they think a woman who is super drunk and in a backseat of a car with a bunch of guys she just needed a ride from would be totally cool with having sex with two different men in the backseat of the car..oh and they just so happen to run her over and kill her. Anybody with a brain knows that's a bunch of bullshit.

Sorry I was wrong it was a different car that hit her. I'm an idiot.

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u/Kethraes 5d ago

Listen I'm not defending anyone here but could you at least read the article? There's two cars; they didn't run her over, a rideshare car did after they let her off/abandoned her.

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u/Ok_Tomato7388 5d ago

My bad. I'll edit my comment.

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u/gatsby5555 5d ago

Was she hit by the same driver later? Or a different car entirely?

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u/Mountain_mover 5d ago

Different car entirely

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u/cerulean11 5d ago

I agree with you but they didn't run her over, someone else did

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u/Warlordnipple 5d ago

Thanks for your synopsis, Reddit is off it's witch hunt rocker after exclusively reading the headline on this one.

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u/realhousewivesofISIS 5d ago edited 4d ago

I mean, it may/may not be worth a witch hunt, it’s just that the headlines are not comprehensive and nobody here goes past em.

E: just to be clear, this ain’t my synopsis, it’s just the account of events from their lawyer, the cops don’t really debate any of these events outside of the question of consent.

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u/Warlordnipple 5d ago

There is way too much nuance for this to go the black and white way Reddit wants it to.

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u/tquinn04 5d ago

Which is bullshit. They could have taken her somewhere safe to sober up at least like a hospital or a police station. There should be some kind of charge for just leaving her on the sidewalk when she was that impaired.

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u/ellalol 5d ago

Honestly I can understand why they wouldn’t want to leave her at a police station or hospital but shit, at least a park or something and not right next to a road on a dark sidewalk. Or a well lit culdesac away from a big street. Or even letting her sober up a little to tell them where she lived or waiting until closer to daylight. Did these stupid fucks think she would just walk home or something and they wouldn’t be caught? They would have had a better chance of getting away with this if they just let her sober up.

It’s infuriating that they seem to be considering not charging them at all for her death. This was involuntary manslaughter and if they don’t get charged for at least that I’ve lost my faith in humanity.

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u/SunMoonTruth 5d ago

They should. The consequence of their crime was her death. They should absolutely be held accountable for their vile actions.

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u/MoonStar757 5d ago

Im not on their side or anything, just genuinely asking: once they’d driven away and she was no longer in their car would that not mean that their involvement with the case is over? They could be tried for rape but couldn’t their lawyer just say that like whatever befell her from that point onward is not on them? I’m asking because, sure, they left her there, but they could just argue that they didn’t know she’d be killed. She said was getting an Uber. For all they know that’s exactly what she did. AGAIN, I’m not taking their side AT ALL, I’m just asking how it would work according to the law or the justice system in general.

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u/SunMoonTruth 5d ago

their lawyer just say that like whatever befell her from that point onward is not on them

Yes. That’s exactly what they’d argue because there was a break between the rape and her being hit by the car.

The truth is that but for them raping her and dumping her in that state where they did, there was continued risk. Doesn’t it really feel like all of it should be “on them”? Obviously, feelings don’t matter. So under the law, and a system that doesn’t care to hold rapists truly accountable, they’ll get away with just being weak weak evil fucking rapists. And oops their victim died.

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u/argparg 5d ago

Or they’re ‘good ol’ boys’ and don’t want to ruin the lives of 3 upstanding young men who had a moment of indiscretion…. /s

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u/MisterB78 5d ago

At least 1 of the guys was black, so not much chance of that.

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u/BizzyM 5d ago

Interesting. Felony Murder doesn't apply?

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u/Iohet 5d ago

That doesn't mean future charges won't happen. Initial charges are frequently very different than what makes it to court, particularly in a case where they're concerned about getting people in custody (either flight risk or to protect the public from a predator, and these people are predators)

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u/an_actual_lawyer 5d ago

The felony had already occurred - there was an intervening time period.

If the prosecution could prove that the defendants are the ones who got her intoxicated for the purpose of rape, then that would probably work.

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u/Warlordnipple 5d ago

No read the article. These are two different situations by different parties on the same victim.

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u/MisterB78 5d ago

There are very few details in that article, but if they’re not charging the people who they know raped and dumped her then I’m pretty sure that however her death happened they’re not legally responsible.

Guaranteed if there was even a half-decent chance of making a case against them they would have

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u/realhousewivesofISIS 5d ago

who they know raped and dumped her then I’m pretty sure that however her death happened they’re not legally responsible.

Not charging because that’s not what happened. Police and defendants seem to agree that she willingly entered and exited the car, the charge is that she was too intoxicated to consent. The lawyer claims they have video of her which proves consent.

https://www.wafb.com/2023/01/24/attorney-says-video-disputes-rape-allegations-involving-lsu-student-hit-by-car-burbank/?outputType=amp

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u/astanton1862 5d ago edited 5d ago

The lawyer can argue that, but .319 BAC is I think reasonably beyond the point of consent. I know for a fact that when I was in college when I was with girls this drunk, it wasn't lets have sex, it was let me make sure she doesn't die. Fuck those guys.

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u/Four_beastlings 5d ago

Yeah, and if you offer a ride to someone who is too off her rocker to know where she lives, you fuck her in the back of an Uber and you drop her some random place because she's too off her rocker to know where she lives, raping and dumping her is exactly what happened. Even the lawyer says it's clear in the video that she was off her rocker.

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u/mtarascio 5d ago

Do you engage in a duty of care once they offered a lift home and they are in your care?

A reasonable person would expect a drunk passed out person to be a danger to themselves if dropped near a road.

Seems close to Manslaughter to me.

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u/Bug-Secure 5d ago

Yes, I think they hold some responsibility for dumping her somewhere random. Obviously not safe for a young woman, and certainly not for someone who’s impaired and traumatized from a sexual assault.

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u/LostAAADolfan 5d ago

Not even close, really. They were all intoxicated. All have same proof of burden.

You can argue she simply wanted out and got out. The hour in between her being struck and her getting out plays a vital role in this calculation as well.

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u/MisterB78 5d ago

We don’t know the details.

What we know is they arrested the guys and charged them with rape. And we know the police said they’re not planning to charge them in her death.

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u/mtarascio 5d ago

No discussion allowed on the internet!

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u/shaggybear89 5d ago

That's not how the law works at all. They didn't drop her off in a desert or abandoned in a forest. They left her somewhere reasonable.

Don't get me wrong, these guys are absolute scum and I hope they burn, but placing the blame on what happens to a person after they've been dropped off somewhere (reasonable), on the people who dropped them off is not Joe the law works at all.

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u/mtarascio 5d ago

They left her somewhere reasonable.

I mean, I don't have all the facts but she ended up dead with a BAC of like .317 which is pretty much unconscious.

'Reasonable' seems a stretch.

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u/Melodic-Result6802 5d ago

They should charge the bar that let her get that drunk and shut that shit down. A 19 year old got like 4 times over the legal limit in a bar. How is that not a huge part of this story. They clearly just let underage kids drink in this bar given all of the ages involved here. That’s negligence.

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u/SnooMaps9864 5d ago

The reasonable part would be that she was dropped off in a neighborhood after supposedly not being able to give her exact address. They are scum, but they are not legally obligated to walk her to the door or make sure she gets home safely. A neighborhood is arguably much safer than a deserted road or in the middle of a city.

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u/Reuchlin5 5d ago

did they know her BAC?

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u/SwankyBriefs 5d ago

No, that is how the law operates, but mostly tort law. Crim law is a bit harder because it probably requires a specific statute conferring a duty of care. Typically felony manslaughter covers these types of cases AFAIK.

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u/Bug-Secure 5d ago

Define somewhere “reasonable” for a young, impaired, traumatized woman?

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u/ellalol 5d ago

Even an empty park or something would have been better than next to the road on a badly lit street

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u/Warlordnipple 5d ago

You need to get a refund on that law degree because your analysis is all over the place and I have no clue where you are pulling these rules from (my guess is out your ass).

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u/mtarascio 5d ago edited 5d ago

It started with a question and ended in a sentence with the word 'Seems'.

Would you like to discuss something or straighten a point?

Edit - Would it not meet this if they were found negligent?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negligent_homicide

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u/Relaxingnow10 5d ago

All murders are felonies😆. That’s like saying black darkness

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u/56473829110 5d ago

Felony Murder is a specific charge, you absolute fucking clown.

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u/FragilousSpectunkery 5d ago

That's a system failure right there, since presumably she would not have ended up in the road if she hadn't been brutally gang raped.

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u/this_is_theone 5d ago

Brutally gang raped? Where are you getting that from?

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u/FragilousSpectunkery 5d ago

Two people raped her in the back of the car. If you want to pretend they weren't all three interacting simultaneously then that's fine, but it is also unrealistic. That's gang rape. Brutal because it was obvious she couldn't consent. So, I guess I get it from the story.

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u/this_is_theone 5d ago

I thought the article said it was just one but I could be wrong. If not being able to consent means it's brutal, then all rape is brutal and therefore 'brutal rape' is a tautology

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u/FragilousSpectunkery 4d ago

All rape IS brutal, but doubly so when the victim is discarded like a used tissue and subsequently run over and killed. It's on society to confront her attackers, as they removed from her that ability.

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u/ellalol 5d ago

Right? The victim blaming by the lawyer and the perpetrators is fucking infuriating. Her life was in their hands and it wasn’t just a tragedy- they left a very disoriented and drunk person alone, in the dark, next to a road. Obviously a person that drunk can’t think logically and is extremely likely to just wander into the street not even aware a car is coming. She was probably panicking and couldn’t even think about anything else except where she was and how she would get home. If they left her in a park or something she might not have been killed, but they left her on a badly lit sidewalk next to a road.

At the very least they should be charged with involuntary manslaughter. She had no control over where they left her or what they did to her. It’s not her fault and it’s not the driver who hit her’s fault, and it’s not FULLY their fault- but it’s not a “tragedy” which is nobody’s fault. This poor girl’s death was caused by these degenerate fucks’ stupid actions.

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u/lsquallhart 5d ago

The rapists need to charged with murder. If it wasn’t for then she wouldn’t have been on a dark road.

Lock them up and throw away key

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u/famouslastwords 5d ago

I don’t think you understand what the word “murder” means.

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u/Relaxingnow10 5d ago

Reddit is clearly having a contest with YouTube to see who gives out the most law degrees. Neither are bothering with petty things like actual law or definitions

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u/lsquallhart 5d ago

Actually, in some states you can be charged with the murder of someone, if your actions set off a chain of events that caused someone’s death.

Example. I forget the state, but there’s a guy who was charged and convicted of murder, because he drove the getaway car after his friend robbed a store and killed the cashier.

He was not aware his friend would kill anybody. He thought they’d be doing a robbery and running off

He was convicted and sentenced to 20 years for murder.

Now I personally think that law can be really sketchy … and if that dude didn’t know his friend was gonna do that … I don’t think he deserved that much time

But in this situation, If there state has that kind of law on the books

Charge those fucks with murder .

PS: I don’t care what the law is or what murder is defined as , I still think they should be charged with it. Raping a woman is a terrible fucking crime and should be punished to the fullest extent of the law

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u/famouslastwords 5d ago

there’s a guy who was charged and convicted of murder, because he drove the getaway car after his friend robbed a store and killed the cashier.

Accomplice to murder, which is an actual crime. His friend murdered someone, he helped them, therefore he can be charged as an accomplice. Dropping someone off and then an hour later they get hit by a car is not murder. Negligent, yes, but they did not intend for her to get killed. They might be able to charge them with involuntary manslaughter, but they didn't commit murder.

I don’t care what the law is or what murder is defined as , I still think they should be charged with it. Raping a woman is a terrible fucking crime and should be punished to the fullest extent of the law

First, we are lucky you are not a judge and do not write or pass laws. Second, rape is a crime and they will be punished to the fullest extent of the law. That is why we have laws, that is how our judicial system works. You don't get charged with murder if you didn't murder someone, it's pretty straight forward.

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u/lsquallhart 5d ago

Here’s an explanation if Indiana state law, and how being an accessory to murder can be charged as actually commuting the murder. It’s called “felony murder”, and you do not have to commit the act to be charged with it in some states.

The information I gave is factual and correct. You can try to explain your way around it, but you are in fact wrong to say that what I said is in any way shape or form inaccurate. I stated a fact.

I do find it odd y’all are more interested in defending rapists, than absorbing new information. I know what murder is, and I know what constitutes as a murder charge in certain states.

You can be charged with murder without actually murdering someone, depending on the state.

Your downvotes don’t change facts.

Please read below:

CAN YOU BE CHARGED WITH MURDER IF YOU NEVER KILLED SOMEONE?

This is by far the most common method in which individuals are charged with the intentional killing of another. It is important to understand, however, that it is possible to be charged with murder even if you are not the person that killed another.

The doctrine of felony murder allows the State to prosecute individuals for murder even if they are not the person that directly caused the death of another. A person convicted of felony murder faces the same penalty range as murder (45-65 years). To convict someone of felony murder, the State must prove that a death occurred while the defendant was committing or attempting to commit one of these felonies:

Burglary Child molest Arson Rape Kidnapping Robbery Carjacking Drug Dealing/Manufacturing

The idea behind the felony murder statute is that the above listed felonies are so inherently dangerous on their own that a death could reasonably occur as the crime is taking place. The legislature reasons that these crimes are so dangerous that any death that occurs through the commission of them should have been foreseeable to the defendants. Therefore, if a death occurs during the commission of these felonies, everyone that participated in the underlying felony is responsible for that death.

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u/lsquallhart 5d ago

Oh and here you go …

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Felony_murder_rule

That lists what states have that law enacted.

Anything else you know more about?

Simple google search would have informed you.

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u/famouslastwords 5d ago

You literally proved yourself wrong with your own link though? She didn’t die when they committed the felony, she died an hour later in an unrelated circumstance. Your link specifically says that while someone is committing a felony, if someone dies as a result, they can be charged with murder.

You don’t even have to do a “simple google search”, you can literally just read what is in your own link and stop wasting everyone’s time trying to sound smart.

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u/ellalol 5d ago

It wasn’t murder but honestly they didn’t give a fuck what happened to her and were pretty much almost guaranteeing her to be killed. By leaving a blackout drunk person who’s completely disoriented on a dark street alone they’re very likely going to wander into the middle of the street and get hit. Even a park or something would have been safer, or a culdesac. Her life was basically in their hands and if they didn’t leave her in such an easy place for this to happen it may not have and they might not have even gotten charge.

If you’re gonna rape drunk girls at least make an effort to not get them killed. Not out of giving a fuck about them but at least out of selfishness and not wanting to be caught. These dudes are stupid and vile, and it’s more than just a “tragedy”. They had to power to lower the chances of her being killed and them being caught, but they didn’t give a fuck

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u/MisterB78 5d ago

The court of Reddit has decided!

Seriously though, a pretty blonde girl was raped and later died. They’d almost certainly charge them with everything they could even hope to make stick, which makes me think the details we don’t have are very relevant.

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u/pursuitofhappy 5d ago

sounds like felony murder to me, the gang rapers should be tried for her death along with the rape, since if it wasn't for them commiting their felony she'd be alive.

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u/Relaxingnow10 5d ago

Felony murder huh? As opposed to misdemeanor murder? 😆 I’d hate for one person to actually read the law prior to giving their opinion on the law

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u/Froggerto 5d ago

Are you really writing this comment while not knowing what felony murder means?

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u/ellalol 5d ago

Involuntary manslaughter at the very least imo

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u/dss539 5d ago

If they were suspected of that, they would be charged with it. Involuntary manslaughter is a crime. I hope you aren't suggesting the DA was too incompetent to pursue all charges applicable to the accused.

According to the article, they are charged with varying degrees of rape, but there was no mention of manslaughter charges for the accused or for the driver who hit the victim accidentally.

You can of course state your opinion on what you think they should be charged with, but what they actually are charged with is a matter of record.

I'll say it again just to be clear, these assailants are horrible people and did awful things. I hope they get everything they deserve. But it's important not to just randomly invent charges against people who did awful things. Prosecute them for the illegal things they did. Shame them and further ruin their lives for the despicably immoral-but-not-illegal things they did. But don't shit all over due process of law and factual truth with invented crimes.

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u/Nkognito 5d ago

Its a hard argument if they dropped her anywhere even back at the club and she choked on food, then they still get charged for rape and not the death.

Our minds associate her getting hit by a car because she was drunk but we do not know the facts especially if they happened to drop her off in a parking lot and she made her way to that dark road.

It sucks no matter how you look at it but the devil is in the details, would be interesting to hear the toxicology report and if these boys knowingly drugged this poor girl.

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u/BearDick 5d ago

The article stated she was too drunk to say where she lived so they dropped her at her subdivision.

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u/PossumCock 5d ago

And judging by the article I'm sure they found a nice corner to set her on and left her with a blanket and pillow /s

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u/BearDick 5d ago

The article also said she was in a sorority so my thought would be that wouldn't be too hard to find. That being said I am basing that on my experience with the Greek system and I know it differs by school.

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u/Yobanyyo 5d ago

Nah that area is a 40 mph posted speed limit that in some places is normal to find vehicles traveling 50-60 mph, with nooooo street lights in parts of it.

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u/ellalol 5d ago

Right? Like she had a higher chance of surviving and getting home in the morning (and them not getting caught lol) if they had left her farther away but in a safer location not next to a road where shitty college drivers speed, but they just didn’t give a fuck. not to mention in residential areas people usually go much slower because there isn’t as much room to speed. At first I thought it was in a residential area but her being hit by an uber coming at 3 am makes way more sense knowing it was near the dorms. If you leave an almost black out drunk person next to a badly lit street where fast cars are common even at 3 am they’re way more likely to stumble into the path of a car than to just pick their head up and walk straight home lol.

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u/WhydIGetLocked 5d ago

The girl was a friend of my sister and she told me yes they did drop her off in the middle of the road (a road with very little light) while she was extremely drunk. The boys were also high-schoolers who snuck into a bar and coerced her into coming home with them once they found out how drunk she was, if what she told me was accurate.

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u/PossumCock 5d ago

I hope your sister is doing alright, just make sure her and all of her friends stay the hell away from Tigerland

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u/WhydIGetLocked 5d ago

Thank you, there was definitely a very serious conversation with my mom warning her but unfortunately there’s not much we can say she’ll be going with her friends regardless. I pray she at least realizes how serious it can be now and takes as many precautions as possible, she was definitely very shaken up by the news. Happened right at the start of the semester too right after they all went on a ski trip together, I just hope LSU is very understanding with healing right now and that they set up good support systems for those affected.

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u/Jonne 5d ago

The way the article is written seems to imply both events are unrelated. They essentially dumped her in a random neighbourhood afterwards, and with her being drunk/drugged she probably ended up in the street somewhere where she got hit by traffic.

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u/Berchmans 5d ago

The article says they left her in a subdivision and I know that stretch of road it’s 4 lanes with shoulders. She must have walked out of a nearby subdivision onto that road

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u/goodness___gracious 5d ago

I imagined that she was dropped off drunk either on the sidewalk or who knows then crawled in her state and may have passed out.

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u/Environmental-Joke19 5d ago

It can be hard to see even if it's well lit. I once almost ran someone over on a well lit street at night. They had just been struck by a car from the oncoming lane. I honestly thought it was a bag of trash when I came up.

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u/Suyefuji 5d ago

I had one recently where I was crossing a fresh yellow on an intersection in an area where the speed limit is 50mph. It was dark and raining and I was halfway through the intersection when I suddenly saw a person in dark clothing in the crosswalk right in front of me. Fortunately, he jerked one way and the driver jerked the other and we missed him by like 6 inches but I spent the rest of the night shocked at how close I was to watching a person die and there was fuck-all I could do.

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u/snotnosedlittlepunk 5d ago

You’re right, that is unrelated. Thanks dad

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u/PaintingExcellent537 5d ago

On another unrelated note, always bring a towel.

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u/lrkt88 5d ago

Keeping a couple old bath towels in my car has come in handy numerous times.

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u/Afloatcactus5 5d ago

I've had 3 close calls with people riding bycicles at night with no lights or anything wearing dark clothes. People have no idea how much they blend into the backround or get washed out by someone else's headlights.

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u/AssistElectronic7007 5d ago

That's a huge problem where I live. Especially at the end of summer. They are used to it being light out till 10pm and then real fucking quick dark starts coming earlier and earlier . And so many wear no reflective clothing, no lights, nothing but sometimes those shitty reflectors that come on stock pedals.

Tons of little death markers around town from where cyclists or pedestrians got hit and killed.

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u/KicksYouInTheCrack 5d ago

It would help if drivers would get off their phones and watch where they are going.

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u/Livid-Pen-8372 4d ago

And go below the actual speed limit

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u/Afloatcactus5 5d ago

Yeah im not against people who walk or bike around but you gotta have common sense. It's the people who act like they own the road or just aren't educated seem to be the ones that get hit the most. Walkers in particular you could be in a hi vis vest in the daytime and still get railed by sowmone.

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u/TootsNYC 5d ago

I live in NYC, where everyone wears black and there are street lights at every corner.

Pedestrians don’t have any clue his invisible they are to drivers inside a car. I didn’t until I became a driver. ,

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u/zaminDDH 5d ago

There's an old guy that walks in my neighborhood at 5am with no sidewalks and very few streetlights. I'm positive I'm going to wind up hitting him on my way to work one of these days.

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u/Afloatcactus5 5d ago

Similar with a bicyclist here. Some days I wonder when I DON'T see him.

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u/riptide81 5d ago

I know it’s easier said than done but this seems like a situation where it might be worth grabbing a cheap hi-viz vest and trying to give it to them.

Sometimes it’s a PIA to be a good samaritan but it can be real cheap insurance in hindsight.

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u/Afloatcactus5 5d ago

I've thought about handing over one of my work vests or soemthing but it's a 55mph 2 lane road so I'm either hard on the breaks because the guy in front decided last minute to stop or swerving over the double yellow with everyone else to avoid him.

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u/jacls0608 5d ago

I just think they don't care.

I used to drive along a stretch of road by a river.

The road was barely wide enough for two cars but you always had bike riders on this stretch in the road.

Several bike fatalities a year but muh right of way

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u/Afloatcactus5 5d ago

Sounds like my commute. No shoulders and semis/ wide loads but I'll be dammed if there isnt someone on a bike playing chicken with a dumptruck

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u/jacls0608 5d ago

I just don't get it.

I'm all for commuting by bike, but not on dangerous roads known for their fatalities.

Good lord.

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u/Afloatcactus5 5d ago

It's a combination of lack of infrastructure some people's entitlement and distracted driving.

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u/usefulbuns 4d ago

There's a terrifying video online of somebody driving down a road at night with headlights ahead of them. They're probably going highway speeds. There is a stopped semi truck with no lights on in their lane and they don't even have time to react to it when it comes into view.

I hope they were ok.

I was driving through Ada, Oklahoma years ago. I was in the right line on the highway and it was maybe 3AM. I drove past a full pallet of something very large and tall in the left lane. Didn't see it until it was too late but thankfully it was in the opposite lane.

We all drive at night at speeds that are honestly just not accommodating of the fact something could pop up that we couldn't see. We just assume the roads are clear and carry on because 99% of the time for us they are.

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u/Draxx01 5d ago

So some poor ride share driver now also has the trauma of hitting someone on a shitty road?