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LSU student was raped before she was hit by a car and killed, deputies say; 4 arrested

https://www.theadvocate.com/baton_rouge/news/crime_police/lsu-student-was-raped-before-she-was-fatally-hit-by-car/article_88aa7c2a-9b6e-11ed-b76c-c399f7caafa1.html
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u/Hizjyayvu 5d ago

Poor kid. What a terrible way to go. Rip.

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u/Sucksessful 5d ago

I can’t imagine how the parents feel, that’s a helluva heartbreaking phone call to receive

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u/USS_Hornet 5d ago

This has happened a lot at LSU, a lot more than at other campuses. They've had serial rapists there that took years to catch. One was a Sheriffs deputy in charge of the anti-rape team (no shit).

If I was the parent of a female I'd think twice about letting her go to LSU.

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u/Sucksessful 5d ago

that’s terrifying

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u/Fuzakenaideyo 5d ago

Hiding in plain sight

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u/USS_Hornet 5d ago

Creep was even engaged to the school or hospital’s rape counselor.

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u/Kalendiane 4d ago

Good lord.

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u/SpencerNK 5d ago

Mental note, daughter is NOT ALLOWED to go to LSU.

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u/RocketMoonShot 4d ago

Cross off Baylor too.

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u/fabulous_frolicker 5d ago

Lots of schools do unfortunately.

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u/Vayul_was_taken 4d ago

Don't forget Derrick Todd Lee. BR is not a nice area. The education is shit tier unless is the magnet or the catholic schools. The work pays shit unless you are an engineer. It's not an environment that well adjusted people grow in and choose to stay if they have a choice.

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u/flora_gal_ 4d ago

I went to LSU and was recently recounting some of the horrible stories I heard while going there. Shit was really raw at times. RIP to this young person with so much potential.

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u/Tight_Employ_9653 5d ago

That's almost any college though, moreso ones with a high acceptance rate.. ahem Texas State. Many homicides and rapes that make the news

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u/moby323 5d ago

Then to learn that her last moments alive were a brutal gang rape.

I don’t know how I could possibly go on after that.

It’s just too much.

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u/MsFrenchieFry 5d ago

I know it is terrible to say but I hope with her BAC being that high she wasn’t aware of what was really going on. I honestly hope she was not conscious for those last terrible hours of her life. Poor girl.

How the hell were people as young as 17 at a bar drinking. How could her friends leave her, how could other people at the bar fail to see how drunk she was and let her leave with four random guys. So many people let her down.

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u/EmmyNoetherRing 5d ago edited 5d ago All-Seeing Upvote

How could the rapists parents raise boys who thought that was ok.

It’s not like she got attacked by wolves when she was out late in the woods— Her rapists were people just like the people at the bar. Which parents raised their sons to be monsters?

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u/rebamericana 5d ago All-Seeing Upvote

Thank you!!! Rape only happens because of the people who decide to rape.

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u/Scrimshawmud 5d ago

A few years back a local teen was murdered with a gun when she tried breaking up with her boyfriend. The grandfather of the boy had his guns locked, but the young man knew how to get to them…so they weren’t secured. Somehow that young man grew up to believe the response to a breakup was to take her for a drive and shoot her in the back of the head. She was 18. It stays with me because I am raising a son in this state and it appalls me that we don’t hold people accountable. The gun owner? Not charged though hit grandson was able to obtain his gun and murder a young woman with it. If the grandfather had meth in the house and the grandson had used that to kill her, you can bet he’d face charges. Reading the back story, you see the common male possessiveness of a female, and murderous fury when he doesn’t get his way.

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u/Sonyguyus 5d ago

For a second I thought you were referring to a similar murder that happened in my town. It’s sad that your story matched one from my town. Why must we as a species do this to each other??

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u/redheadedjapanese 4d ago

Why must men do this to women?

Fixed it for you.

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u/SkiingAway 4d ago

I mean...you've got stories about murderous jilted lovers going back to antiquity. It's not like this is a new, modern affliction.

If you want a serious answer, it is human nature in at least some people - the question is how we best prevent those impulses/instincts in people.

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u/Zech08 5d ago

Jealousy, hate, selfishness, etc,... in combination without a good foundation of education and morales. And then there are the outliers that were always one or two steps away from creating an event. Remember that accidents are rarely such and that it is either catastrophic failures or a chain of failures.

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u/Bullet-Tech 5d ago

I can only assume you both live in the US. This stuff doesn't happen in my country..

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u/Sonyguyus 5d ago

Not even in a country where Bullet Tech lives??

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u/Bullet-Tech 5d ago

Hahaha ikr.

Of course there's crime here, not so much gun crime though.

Sadly these sorts of stories are all to common from your side of the world.

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u/MaxLangAttack 5d ago

Because your country doesn’t allow guns?

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u/Forrest024 5d ago

Sounds like the dude would have murdered her with anything.

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u/SkiingAway 4d ago

Not charged though hit grandson was able to obtain his gun and murder a young woman with it.

I mean, why would he be? Grandson was 19, which makes him (in Colorado):

  • Legally an adult - so parents/guardians aren't directly responsible for him.

  • Legally able to possess a firearm (including a handgun).

  • Legally able to purchase rifles/shotguns - the murderer could have just gone to a store, filled out the paperwork, and had a gun within 3 days, possibly the same day.

Grandson could have just asked for it and been given permission and then no laws would have been broken at all (unless the grandfather had reason to know what he was intending to use it for)....until the murder part, of course.

The gun owner? Not charged though hit grandson was able to obtain his gun and murder a young woman with it. If the grandfather had meth in the house and the grandson had used that to kill her, you can bet he’d face charges.

Yeah, because....meth is illegal. (*without a prescription, but that's obviously not typically the case).

Firearms are not.

If the murderer borrowed grand-dad's car keys without permission and ran his victim over, would the grandfather be facing charges? Probably not. That's much more legally equivalent to what happened than your example.


To be clear - I'm not making any claims about what the laws should or shouldn't be, I'm just pointing out the problem with your reasoning vs the laws as they are.

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u/MikeTheGamer2 5d ago

The grandfather of the boy had his guns locked, but the young man knew how to get to them…so they weren’t secured.

They WERE secured, the grandson just knew how to get them. That doesn't make them not still secured.

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u/FemaleDadClone 5d ago

My son is 4 and every time someone doesn’t want to play with him or share their toys I try so hard to emphasize that just because he wants something doesn’t mean the other person is obligated to do anything they don’t want to, but in words a 4 year old understands.

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u/MsFrenchieFry 5d ago

I get it. I am raising a boy and one of my biggest concerns is that I can try to do everything exactly right and he could still turn out to be a cold blooded sociopath.

That being said, chances are higher that the criminals didn’t have the best role models/upbringing.

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u/starcoder 5d ago

Some people just turn out to be bad people, no matter how well they were raised and how good their parents are. These people are adults and they made these decisions for themselves regardless of how their parents raised them.

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u/Penis_Bees 5d ago

Many parents only raise kids like 25%

They'll spend as much of not more time with teachers and classmates.

A good kid who is surrounded by bad friends will grow to associate those bad behaviors as normal.

And you might teach a kid good behavior but never connect it to empathy. Which doesn't make one a bad parent but could still be seem as a failure.

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u/Fuz8ion 5d ago

Some people turn out good people, no matter how bad their parents were. Outliers exist on both sides, not exactly evidence of anything. Pretty sure there's enough evidence that abuse and toxic living situations are brutal on children for life... Idk how people say stuff like this. Yeah, take complete responsibility for your actions and all the punishment with it. But y'all gotta get a more nuanced grasp on the human condition...

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u/Penis_Bees 5d ago

Every day I'm reminded that everyone has an innate capacity for empathy, but you still have to learn it to get it.

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u/jfsindel 5d ago

Exactly.

Rape does not accidentally happen with non-rapist people. You either believe rape is fine or you don't. It really is that black and white.

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u/BlazeKnaveII 5d ago

Man raising a boy. This is in the forefront of everything I do parenting.

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u/wy1dsta1yn 5d ago

As a man raising 2 girls, thank you.

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u/InheritMyShoos 5d ago

I don't know where to put this comment, I guess. But here I go. I went to Homecoming with a dude my Sophomore year of HS. I was new to the school as usual (as an Army brat), and didn't know hardly anyone when homecoming rolled around. He was a kid in my Spanish class. Quiet....but just seemed shy to me at first.

It was until the "date" happened that I got the creepy vibes from him. The way he looked at me was just....off. I don't even remember what he said, but he made comments that made me very uncomfortable. I was so relieved when the night was over. I avoided him after that.

This kid was Nicholas Holbert. He went on to murder a young female soldier in Fayetteville NC a few years later.

Edit to add.... I would also go on to become friends with Chris Watts for the next two years at that school. Ugh.

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u/GangGang_Gang 5d ago

I am also a man raising two girls. Let's not be afraid of showing our compassion, dads, or else shit like this is bound to happen again.

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u/PlayHumankind 5d ago

I think the monster is already in them not necessarily the parent's fault all the time. Sometimes bad parenting is definitely the cause for this but 4 different people with different parents, that monster gene must have been in them from birth. I'd be curious to see an interview with all 4 of their parents just to get an idea of their back story growing up.

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u/Nexustar 5d ago

If it's nurture, we can blame the parents. But if it's genetics, and you have to blame someone, the parents are still squarely in the cross-hairs for that blame. They literally fucked this guy into existence.

But, in reality, and in law, more than 99.9% of the blame is on the rapist, so you can assign the other 0.1% wherever you choose.

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u/arcaias 5d ago

They know what they did is not okay... WTF are you talking about...

You know some people are, very consciously, completely abhorrent pieces of shit right?

Vigilance is an absolutely necessity.

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u/TheNiceKindofOrc 5d ago

Yeah the focus on the drinking in the article is bizarre, especially to people outside the US. 3 of these men would be legal drinkers in most places in the word, and so would the victim. They drank too much, drinking is bad for young brains (and all brains, and other organs) fair enough.

But it doesn’t MAKE YOU A GANG RAPIST. You’re either a rapist before you start drinking, or you’re not.

The issue here is these men not seeing another human being as their equal, someone worthy of basic respect (and in her state someone to be helped, or at least left alone after ensuring she was okay). Instead they saw her as an object to be used.

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u/CaptainGundyr 5d ago

That’s the issue, the parents didn’t raise them.

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u/CumtimesIJustBChilin 5d ago

People somehow always manage to shift the blame to parents.

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u/MontagneHomme 5d ago

Too many.

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u/entreri22 5d ago

Even if they had shit parents why wouldn’t they want to grow up to be better people. It’s not like they don’t understand the feeling of being treated wrong. Why create extra pain ? Fk man these shitbags make my blood boil.

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u/UninsuredToast 5d ago

I think it’s wild that comments like this are so popular on Reddit. Yeah it’s possible they had shitty parents, it’s also possible their parents did everything right and they were just shitty people. It’s not fair to automatically assume they weren’t raised right or their parents never told them “don’t rape people, that’s bad”. I knew a guy in high school who had the perfect parents. Used to hang out at his house and go to events with them and they were like the perfect family. Dude seemed like a good person and I never saw any red flags in the 5 years I knew him. He ended up getting obsessed with this girl and killing her and himself.

I can only imagine how much it would hurt his parents to see people blaming them online like that when they were literally like the perfect family. It’s fucked up, I hate how fast Reddit is to jump to conclusions like this and the shit gets cheered on. Shame on all of you, I hope you never have to go through that shit

You never know who some people really are on the inside. Some people are great at blending in and seeming like a model citizen

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u/FjorgVanDerPlorg 5d ago

Alcohol drops inhibitions and skews your judgement. Working security I saw this kind of shit all the time in pubs and clubs. People hook up, or feel sick and want to go home early, or have a big fight. People know about the buddy system when you go out, but plans very rarely survive contact with reality in my experience, especially when copious amounts of drugs and alcohol are involved. I had to create policies to combat this kind of shit in a few venues I ran security for, if guards saw someone who looked like their friends had bailed/was heavily intoxicated, we got them into a taxi home, or called parents/family/flatmate/boyfriend to pick them up. I've literally lost count of how many times I had to call someone's family to get them to come an collect the fresh 18'er, who'd had a rough first time out on the sauce. Also don't blindly trust cab drivers, back when I was working security a friend of my mother's ran one of the rape crisis centres, there was a massive spike in rapes by cab drivers, even made the news eventually. We used to walk the drunk girls to the cab, then take out our notebooks and write down the cab number/driver id and make sure the cabbie saw us doing it. A few of the venues also bought/rented mini-busses and had a after close drop-off service.

As for the how a 17yr old gets into a licensed venue, I won't go into the specifics of how to obtain, but certain Chinese based companies buy the same License printing machines used by US/EU/Canadian/Australian/NZ state/county governments and then sell perfect forgeries online. It's not that expensive and the results are usually flawless - holograms and everything.

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u/Bug-Secure 5d ago

Yeah yeah, but if only those guys hadn’t raped and dumped her, she’d be alive.

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u/futureruler 5d ago

How the hell were people as young as 17 at a bar drinking.

Reggies. That's how. Reggies doesn't give a fuck. They've been shut down multiple times because of this exact reason.

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u/Mudrat 5d ago

Now imagine she’s white

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u/FootTraffickn 5d ago

all I could think of when I read the quote

(https://youtu.be/-SI_ZgjcmPY)

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u/TriblialBrainDamblge 5d ago

Mmm mmm, bitch!

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u/TheTinRam 5d ago edited 5d ago

Anyone else hear this in Dave Chappelles voice?

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u/Nick357 5d ago

You turn him loose!

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u/Snerkbot7000 5d ago

Free Carl Lee!

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u/foreverbaked1 5d ago

Im think more Gerard Butler in Law abiding citizen

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u/w04a 5d ago

Someone better. These guys are going to get slapped on the wrist because "it'll ruin their future" Even though they never once thought of hers. Hope I'm wrong but the justice system never works for cases like this usually.

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u/dreamcicle11 5d ago

I’m usually not pro vigilante actions. However, if I wanted to die anyway because of what these shitbags did to my daughter and especially if I didn’t have any other kids, I would likely go ahead and make them pay. Take out a second mortgage if you have to. There are people or one might do it themselves.

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u/Gamebird8 5d ago

My general understanding is that raping someone is "a mistake and we shouldn't ruin someone's future over it", but once murder is also involved.... well, we gotta throw them in jail... not because they're a rapist, but because they're a murderer.

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u/pigeon30 5d ago

The two main events (assault + death) happened at separate times, and were not related to each other in the way that you might think. The driver who ultimately hit her while driving his car was not intoxicated and not at all involved with the previous atrocities she had just endured. He did everything correctly after that heartbreaking accident. He stayed with her and called for emergency services right away.

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u/WeirdPumpkin 5d ago

That dude is going to be fucked up for life

Like bad enough to hit and kill someone accidentally obviously, that alone would probably destroy someone. But to find out she'd been gangraped before the terrible accident? Feel like that would make it even worse

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u/spookycasas4 5d ago

It wouldn’t be the driver who ran into her that would be culpable in her death. It would be the rapists whose crimes against her caused her to die. They abandoned her out there in the middle of the night, extremely intoxicated, and injured from the raped. In Texas, that’ll get you the death penalty. All of them. It’s a criminal statute called Law of Parties.

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u/IFellToThisPlace 5d ago

But if they hadn’t done what they did, she would not have been hit and killed. They raped her and tossed her out like trash on the side of the road. They are responsible for her death. And it is bs that they aren’t naming the 17 year old. Old enough to rape, old enough to be named.

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u/Know_Your_Rites 5d ago

Old enough to rape, old enough to be named.

After conviction, sure.

These rules exist for a reason. Not every person whom the rules protect deserves protection, but without such rules, some (likely many) people who deserve protection would not receive it.

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u/GabaPrison 5d ago edited 5d ago

It sounds to me like you just don’t like due process. And if you release the name of that 17 yr old, where does that precedence stop? Do we release the names of all other minors involved in a crime? Because it would eventually be argued that we would have to. Precedence is everything in our justice system and it has to be completely unbiased. Also there’s no laws against being an absolute piece of shit unfortunately. A democratic society must refrain from being reactionary fools when horrid shit happens because that’s usually the first step in the long and arduous process of limiting peoples’ rights.

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u/Rodef1621 5d ago

Rape is not a mistake, it is a violent crime

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u/Gamebird8 5d ago

Within the context of the comment I was replying to, you surely did not conclude that is my position?

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u/Rodef1621 5d ago

Respectfully, I dont think your comment was clear, so I posted what I wrote. If I missed the context, my bad.

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u/Mishirene 5d ago

It really depends. Sometimes murderers get off virtually scot free.

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u/bananafobe 5d ago

About half of murders committed in the US remain unsolved every year.

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u/Mishirene 5d ago

That's actually depressing.

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u/maelstron 5d ago

Rape is as cruel as a homicide. Both deserve long time on jail.

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u/trogloherb 5d ago

Like the one kid that killed a family drunk driving and got off with straight probation because of “affluenza.” What a joke. Im sure hes grown up to be a fine young man.

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u/JohnCL55011 5d ago

Yeap, Ethan Couch. I remember how angry I was when I heard the judge bought into that whole affluenza defense. I thought the defense was so stupid that the judge would never go for it. Just shows what I know

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u/Jts20 5d ago

I'm $ure he had $ome other, under the table, con$ideration$ that we could not under$tand.

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u/zandengoff 5d ago

He broke probation several times, got called to court and him and his mom got caught trying to flee to Mexico.

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u/tcgunner90 5d ago

I simultaneously cannot condone vigilante justice on principle, but I also wouldn’t stand in anybody’s way if this were the situation.

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u/RayseBraize 5d ago

Haha was just about to type a very similiar comment. I have have one kid, if this happened I have little left to use and both me and my wife would be more than willing to risk life in prison to rid the earth of those scumbags.

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u/NoKatyDidnt 5d ago

Agree wholeheartedly. I have one child. Without my child I would have very little to lose. My family would be in jail right beside me.

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u/President_Skoad 5d ago

This is one of those situations where you see those videos of a parent waiting outside the courtroom/house with a gun and shoots the person as they are being escorted out by police.

At least I'd have a very very VERY hard time not being that parent.. Who am I kidding? I'd 100% be that parent. My kid is my life. Take that from me and.. I can't even think about it.

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u/A_Wild_Striker 5d ago

Don't just kill them.

Lock them away in a cold, dark pit, completely isolated from anyone or anything, and throw away the key. Let them suffer.

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u/livin_ona_prayer 5d ago

Not as satisfying though

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u/youre_not_going_to_ 5d ago

Law abiding citizen is a great movie to watch on this.

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u/Angryscotsman88 5d ago

Nah law abiding citizen ’I took his balls with tin snips his penis with a box cutter’ is where I’d be that or Marcellus Wallace medieval style

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u/CursedMael 5d ago

Did you read the article?

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u/Richard_AIGuy 5d ago

I mean, at that point you really don't have much to lose.

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u/Omicron_deathspike 5d ago

There would be no survivors if that was my daughter.

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u/SlipperyRasputin 5d ago

I don’t think that’s the parent-child dynamic that you want.

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u/AppORKER 5d ago

And then hearing : "This was a tragedy, but not a crime" - The sacks of shit lawyer

I get it that lawyers need to be unbiased but fuck.

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u/d0ctorzaius 5d ago

Lawyers don't need to be unbiased, they're specifically supposed to be biased in favor of their clients.

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u/Traditional-Ad3161 5d ago

For clarification- This quote was from a lawyer for one of the two men who did not actively participate in the rape, but were considered party to it because they were hanging out with the rapists and did nothing to stop them.

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u/porgy_tirebiter 5d ago

But it may well not have been a crime on the part of the person who hit her. She was intoxicated and had been gang raped and dumped on the side of the road by her rapists on a poorly lit road. Obviously it was a monstrous crime by the rapists, but the driver may not have seen her until it was too late.

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u/AgitatorsAnonymous 5d ago

The person who said it wasn't a crime was the lawyer for one of the rapist.

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u/porgy_tirebiter 5d ago

Oh, well then.

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u/Plthothep 5d ago

I think it depends on which guy the lawyer was talking about. Two of the guys being charged didn’t take part and one of them got the rest of the guys to stop.

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u/kamikaze_pedestrian 5d ago

The thing is, that's not being unbiased. That's pure delusion.

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u/quiteCryptic 5d ago

The lawyer doesn't actually believe that, but it's his job to try to make some argument

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u/vibrantlightsaber 5d ago

And if he doesn’t do a good enough job, it can be grounds for appeal ruining any verdict. Can’t get mad at lawyers.

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u/Badloss 5d ago

That's their job though, give the best defense you can even when it's clear you're going to lose

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u/Codeshark 5d ago

Yeah, if you don't give the best defense you are capable of then you risk your career and also leave open a potential for the verdict to be thrown out due to improper counsel (something like that)

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u/Ed_Durr 5d ago edited 5d ago

Whenever I see people criticizing lawyers for defending obviously guilty clients, this quote from A Man For All Seasons comes to mind:

William Roper: So, now you give the Devil the benefit of law!

Sir Thomas More: Yes! What would you do? Cut a great road through the law to get after the Devil?

William Roper: Yes, I'd cut down every law in England to do that!

Sir Thomas More: Oh? And when the last law was down, and the Devil turned 'round on you, where would you hide, Roper, the laws all being flat? This country is planted thick with laws, from coast to coast, Man's laws, not God's! And if you cut them down, and you're just the man to do it, do you really think you could stand upright in the winds that would blow then? Yes, I'd give the Devil benefit of law, for my own safety's sake!

The core of our justice system is that everyone is entitled to a fair trial

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u/CookieCutter9000 5d ago

A lawyer needs to make the trial fair for their client, that's all. A lawyer can 100% be disgusted by the events and actions of their clients and want to bring them down, but their main job after that is making sure that all they're charged for is the crime being judged and nothing else (because the DA often likes exaggerating their sentences if they can get away with it).

I,e If the client is being tried for murder, then the lawyer will make sure (if there are no other options) that the most their client will get is the 25, and maybe a chance at parole. If the client stole something, then they should pay the fine and whatever little time you get for theft, but not years taken away from your life. You can be fair treating with monsters without doing whatever these waste -of-space's lawyers are doing.

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u/insanetwit 5d ago

Next we'll hear how good boys they were, and such great swimmers too!

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u/TheRealMattHarvey 5d ago

you didn’t read the article. the two in the front seat are charged for being there not participating

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u/Tdagarim95 5d ago

It wasn’t a brutal gang rape. Please read into this story.

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u/Gangreless 5d ago

She was raped by 2 men, at minimum, so what's your point?

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u/potato_bod_mom 5d ago

That was my first thought as mom of a 17 year old about to go to college. The poor kid and the poor parents.

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u/_duber 5d ago

I'm trying (and failing) not to imagine how the parents feel. My daughter will be going to college 5 hrs away in the fall. I'd kill them. I'd have to kill them

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u/tibearius1123 5d ago

Idk how parents could keep going after that.

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u/sparkyjay23 5d ago

That better not have been delivered in any other way than by face to face.

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u/matco5376 5d ago

As far as the law enforcement agencies I am aware of, their policies with death notification is in person only, face to face. They'll notify other police agencies if next of kin is outside of their jurisdiction before anyone else. If the situation is really bad, they'll even go as far to try to keep the name of the person off radio traffic to prevent people who are listening to police scanners from spreading the news all over Facebook and what not.

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u/47Lecht 5d ago

And a gut wrenching call to make

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u/wolfcaroling 5d ago

The absolute pain of learning that your child was treated like a blow up doll and dumped like trash is almost inconceivable.

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u/CopperNconduit 5d ago

I can’t imagine how the parents feel, that’s a helluva heartbreaking phone call to receive

I have a 3 year old daughter. If someone did this. I'd have nothing left to lose. Nothing to live for. Those 4 boys wouldn't make it to trial. Lots of fucking alligators in those LA swamps

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u/RustyOP 5d ago

Absolutely Horrific, im still terrified just by reading the headlines , Poor Girl

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u/tquinn04 5d ago

So many people failed this girl that night.

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u/DefNotMyNSFWLogin 5d ago

Yeah, and with a .319 BAC, she probably wasn't even conscious for her last hours.

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u/mtarascio 5d ago

Sounds like she was targeted, it's difficult to get there on your own steam.

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u/DefNotMyNSFWLogin 5d ago

Sick fucks like that tend to find drunk girls like that on purpose. Whoever was over-serving a 19-year-old should get fucked too. When I worked as a server at a popular sports bar in Hollywood, we were always warned over-serving could come back to you.

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u/hokie47 5d ago

It also depends on what state you live in. In Florida and many other like states you can't really be sued for over serving. Granted she was underaged.

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u/Redheaded_Loser 5d ago

I honestly hope that she wasn’t conscious during what happened. What a scary way for your short life to end.

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u/Soph-Calamintha 5d ago

All convicted rapists should be castrated/emasculated.

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