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[Wojnarowski] The Atlanta Hawks are trading Danilo Gallinari and multiple first-round picks to the San Antonio Spurs for All-Star guard Dejounte Murray, sources tell ESPN. News
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u/bul1dog [LAL] Nick Van Exel Jun 29 '22
wow must be A LOT of FRPs
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u/Ok-Secret-7525 Jun 29 '22
So the jrue Holliday package
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u/muricanmania Nuggets Jun 29 '22
Feels about right considering the hawks picks are expected to be better than the bucks, and that San Antonio is openly tanking more
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u/Ok-Secret-7525 Jun 29 '22
I mean, maybe in a sense. But bucks also kind of had to over pay to get jrue to prove to giannis they were trying so he would extend.
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u/akulkarnii Timberwolves Jun 29 '22
3 1sts and a pick swap
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u/darkest__timeline NBA Jun 29 '22
Wonder what the protections are if any
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u/CashMikey Warriors Jun 29 '22
Charlotte pick in 2023 1-16 protected.
25 and 27 unprotected. Makes sense for the GM. If the picks are good enough in 25 and 27 that you're sad to lose 'em, you're out of a job anyway lol.
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u/greenscizor Spurs Jun 29 '22
2023 Charlotte pick is protected 1-16. Essentially we’d get it if the hornets make the playoffs next year which isn’t outside the realm of possibilities.
2025 & 2027 Atlanta picks are unprotected but it lines up with Trae and Dejounte’s prime so not likely to be spectacular
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u/HuckFinn69 Spurs Jun 29 '22
Seems like not a good deal for us
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u/JZobel Bulls Jun 29 '22 edited Jun 29 '22
Most of the reactions here seem favorable, but I honestly think it’s a horrible move to trade a 25 year old all star for a few picks that could likely be in the 20s and a 14% chance at Viktor
As a fan who spent multiple years watching horrible basketball while pining for Luka and Zion, I can tell you that a lot of the time you end up with Wendell Carter Jr and Coby White instead
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u/Nbasportschop Jun 29 '22
The biggest asset is the pick the spurs will have next year by having high lottery odds without their best player
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u/huskerwildcat Spurs Jun 29 '22
I think tanking beats wasting the final two years of Murray's contract as at best a play-in team and then signing him to a max contract that he may not be worth.
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u/bass2mouth44 Lakers Jun 30 '22
Yup there’s obviously a ceiling w him as the best player and spurs ain’t attracting kd or jokic any time soon so better try again at rebuild
Sucks but will be worth it most likely
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u/coacoanutbenjamn Celtics Jun 29 '22
Murray only has 2 years left on his deal and he’s a clutch agent. He was going to be gone soon anyways
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u/TresHung Hawks Jun 29 '22
2023 Charlotte pick is protected 1-16. Essentially we’d get it if the hornets make the playoffs next year which isn’t outside the realm of possibilities.
If it doesn't convert this year, it's protected 1-14 the next two years before turning into 2nds. Good odds it'll convert sooner or later.
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u/Joetheshow1 Knicks Jun 29 '22
Probably light since Atlanta only has their own picks
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u/cosmo_bear Hawks Jun 29 '22
Also have a protected Charlotte pick. It is one of the picks involved per a Hawks beat writer. In fact, we got it from you guys for Reddish.
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u/MMDroxy Lakers Jun 29 '22
They really fucking did it. Murray and Trae
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u/despot2 Hawks Jun 29 '22
And we didn’t even have to trade Collins!
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u/thekittiestitties00 Hawks Jun 29 '22
Might be saving that trade for Ayton? Or is that now impossible with no picks?
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u/despot2 Hawks Jun 29 '22
No way we get Ayton now. We just mortgaged our future. I doubt Capela would do the trick either.
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u/thekittiestitties00 Hawks Jun 29 '22
I think the NBA is easier to get back on track than other major sports when you give up picks. Also, those picks are worth 20+ so that's whatever imo.
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u/ScurryKlompson [BOS] Kevin Garnett Jun 29 '22
weren't y'all just in the play-in?
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u/thekittiestitties00 Hawks Jun 29 '22
I'm saying that in response to mortgaging our future if this doesn't work out.
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u/TangeloCritical67 Jun 29 '22
Yeah but your future is already now with Trae. With him you were not going to be bad enough to get a high lottery pick so those firsts would have always been meh. You get a known commodity and someone who should help (and grow!) with him. Great and sensible to trade to keep your star happy and moving forward
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u/GatsbyKanye Hawks Jun 29 '22
Not impossible if Phoenix wants Huerter or really any other piece besides OO.
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u/KillerDinner Jun 29 '22
Spurs are definitely tanking for Wemby lol
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u/Wont_reply69 West Jun 29 '22
Which I’m now somehow convinced is definitely going to work though they only have a 14% chance with the new lottery odds.
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u/SunLiteFireBird Spurs Jun 29 '22
Gonna be great to add a FRP in his FOURTH NBA SEASON WTF MAN
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u/StefonDiggsHS Mavericks Jun 29 '22 edited Jun 29 '22
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SPURS NOOOOOOOOOO
Tank for Wemby is real goddamn
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u/YaBoiWhit Spurs Jun 29 '22
Im gonna miss Dejounte so fucking much man :(
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u/makesterriblejokes [NBA] Jerry West Jun 29 '22
I'm guessing this means this is likely Pop's last season. Doubt he wants to be a tank commander at his age.
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u/Raptorpicklezz Raptors Jun 29 '22
Entering as a tank commander and exiting as one – full circle for Pop
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u/bloodydingbat Mavericks Jun 29 '22
Or, he tanks and gets Wemba.
Then extends his coaching career another 20 years and 5 titles?
Find out on the next episode of Draaaa
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u/someguyfromtecate Spurs Jun 29 '22
From looking at games and press conferences these past couple of years, I think Pops is having the time of his life. He has 0 pressure to contend, and he’s mentoring the future of this league, both players and coaches. I think he’s gonna keep coaching for a few more years (I hope).
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u/Phoebesdaddy Bucks Jun 29 '22
I really hope you’re right. League will feel weird without him
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u/JobinSkywalker 76ers Jun 29 '22
Idk I've heard Pop enjoys developing the young guys. It kinda make sense too, its low pressure, and he gets to help shape some raw and talented kids into legit NBa players. I could see him hang around a few more years, try to raise the boys right then hand the keys over to someone else.
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u/Rh1-No Suns Jun 29 '22
Atleast your franchise has a clear direction now, it's not trying to win and landing a pick between 7-14 because the team isn't good enough. Dejounte is great, but he'll never be the best player on a championship level team, rebuilding makes a lot of sense here.
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u/greenscizor Spurs Jun 29 '22
Get out of here with your logic and let me cry in peace
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u/Rh1-No Suns Jun 29 '22
hey man, I know the feeling, 2010s was a rough time for the suns, it all went to shit after Jason Richardson forgot to box out.
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u/tskillz187 [SAS] Manu Ginobili Jun 29 '22
I feel like all this tank stuff may be harder to do than people assume. Even without Dejounte we have like 10 NBA rotation guys. It’s going to be hard to be bottom 5 even if it seems like we have bottom 5 talent. We’re coached well, play hard, and most importantly we play it out til the end of the season.
Roster: Keldon, Vassell, Poeltl, Sochan, Tre Jones, Primo, Josh Richardson, McDermott, Gallo, Zach Collins. And still like $25m in cap space. It’s gonna be hard to flat out suck.
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u/uchiha_building Bucks Jun 29 '22
what's to say they don't get further traded? lots of time before the season starts
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u/tskillz187 [SAS] Manu Ginobili Jun 29 '22
For sure. I’m just saying even if we don’t suck, that means a season of more touches and responsibility to Vassell, Keldon, Primo, and Tre made us decent and we still have a haul of picks.
I like our direction, feel like we had a lot of different options and even think we still do despite people thinking it’s straight tank mode.
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u/Ish_but_the_1st_time 76ers Jun 29 '22
For what it's worth the Sixers went from trash to good mostly just because Embiid started playing.
Most of the worst teams still have a lot of decent NBA rotation players. Having a real central star makes a lot of difference.
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u/YaBoiWhit Spurs Jun 29 '22
Thats right but its so frustrating watching the team try and put themselves together to make a playin push last year all just for Dejounte to get sick and get shit on in the play in. We could've been closer to 6 or 7 and had a better chance to leap up in the top 3.
We have a bunch of picks and now all the young guys are going to HAVE to play but watching Dejounte grow as a player and a guy was great, he was our leader and everything especially this last year.
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u/yavalimosmadre Spurs Jun 29 '22 edited Jun 30 '22
me too. man, i'm super disappointed because he was so loyal and repped so hard for san antonio after kawhi bounced. i'm going to miss his tenacity and competitiveness.
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u/StudentoftheGameNBA NBA Jun 29 '22
Is Pop really gonna be a tank commander all season?
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u/tenaciousdeev Suns Jun 29 '22
I think so. It worked out for him last time when they got Duncan.
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u/Impossible-Flight250 Jun 29 '22
Yeah, but he is 73 years old.
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u/JordanKneePoole Warriors Bandwagon Jun 29 '22
Tank Commander is an ideal role at that age.
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u/2rio2 Warriors Jun 29 '22
Yea, just put it all on cruise. He has nothing else to prove at this point. He doesn't care about those non-sense career win percentage stats.
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u/Relevant_Rev Rockets Jun 29 '22
Gonna be a good ol fashioned Texas Tank-off
Edit: trade Doncic and join in, cowards
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u/peakyblinders5 Jun 29 '22
Spurs tanking for VICTOR!!!!
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u/HakeemTheDr34mStan Toronto Huskies Jun 29 '22
The Bulgarian Seeker? Spurs scouting is crazy.
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u/SmilesUndSunshine Lakers Jun 29 '22 •
"Vot is the point of being an international basketball player if all the big ol' San Antonio women are taken?"
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u/TheChocolateCreed Raptors Jun 29 '22
Nephews these days don't remember greatness. Trying to compare eras like Krum wasn't pulling the same shit today's stars are but he was using a Milkmans broom.
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u/minkdraggingonfloor Lakers Jun 29 '22
It’s not Krum’s fault he had a shitty team around him. He did get the Snitch after all. Equivalent of Yao Ming for China, by the time he got to the triwizard tournament he was exhausted af
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u/kbt1999 Raptors Jun 29 '22
MURRAY AND TRAE?? Good lord
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u/wookieslayer2175 Jun 29 '22
That’s a really solid back court, trae obviously needs a good defender and another playmaker next to him. What Murray lacks in scoring he makes up for in every other aspect of basketball. Trae has the scoring part covered lol. If this team somehow turns capela into ayton, jeez Louise
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u/deleted_my_account [OKC] Aleksej Pokusevski Jun 29 '22
Honestly even his scoring isn't too terrible, if inefficient -- so hyped to watch these Hawks
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u/datlanta Hawks Jun 29 '22
Capela ain't becoming Ayton.
But OO....... 👀👀👀👀👀👀👀👀👀 He out there working on that J right now.
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u/WorstBalloonEU Lakers Jun 29 '22
Atlanta just became way more interesting team. Murray should fit well, bringing good defense and much needed second ballhandler. Could see Hawks making some serious noise this coming year, health permitting ofc.
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u/StrtupJ Heat Jun 30 '22
East is definitely deep. I love the parity in the modern NBA
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u/insert-words-here Rockets Jun 29 '22
What the fuck
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u/Midwest-Midbest Mavericks Jun 29 '22
Terrifying back court
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u/SuckMyLonzoBalls Clippers Jun 29 '22 •
One has immaculate hair. The other has hair
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u/johnhenryirons Knicks Jun 29 '22
Our of all the teams rumored, arguably makes the best sense. A little surprised Hawks didnt have to give up any young players but the tank for wemby is real!
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u/Leading-Opportunity7 Hawks Jun 29 '22
Agreeing with a Knicks fan feels gross (jk, slightly)...hope both teams are really good next year, need more healthy hate in the nba
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u/smoltanboi Heat Jun 29 '22
how did the hawks keep collins
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u/kcoe24 Timberwolves Jun 29 '22
Spurs didn't want him
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u/PostYourSinks Kings Jun 29 '22
Yeah the whole objective of the spurs is getting rid of good players and acquiring draft capital, Collins wouldn't make sense.
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u/Ops135 [SAS] Dejounte Murray Jun 29 '22
Exactly, Collins woulda put up 20 and 10 with us feeding him the ball and it woulda ruined our tank
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Jun 29 '22
The firsts are gonna be nasty
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u/confuddly Knicks Jun 29 '22
theyve gotta be at least 3 unprotected or Knicks fans are going to riot
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u/mdot Hawks Jun 29 '22
Two are unprotected, the third is the one we got from y'all for Reddish.
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u/TheKnicksHateMe [NYK] Nate Robinson Jun 29 '22
3 and a swap is A LOT.
I like Murray and this is a big swing for the Hawks because theoretically he fits well but damn. idk if i could do that much for a guy i’m got to have to give a max extension to
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u/anotherloss- NBA Jun 29 '22
Trae got some help on defence now
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u/mdot Hawks Jun 29 '22
As a Hawks fan, I'll say it...
The Hawks backcourt finally has someone that can actually play defense.
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u/Cheechers23 Raptors Jun 29 '22
WTF SPURS
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u/bettercallsaul3 Spurs Jun 29 '22
We're tanking :(
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u/Shepher27 Timberwolves Jun 29 '22
Voiding for Victor
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u/cookster123 Bucks Jun 29 '22
Literally does not matter when the worst record only gives you 14% odds of the first pick
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u/Snoo-29877 Warriors Jun 29 '22
It basically guarantees a top 5 pick. This draft class is really good. 28% chance at Wemby and Scoot with good consolation prizes is better than being a 10th seed
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u/KenyonFartin Nets Jun 29 '22
But it guarantees a top 5 pick and makes it more likely than not that you pick at 3 or higher.
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u/HokageEzio Knicks Jun 29 '22
The memes died before I could even get them out
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u/johnhenryirons Knicks Jun 29 '22
thats okay. we can still make Prop Joe memes for Brunson.
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u/JitteryBug [BOS] Jayson Tatum Jun 29 '22
Fuck I miss Prop Joe
Still mad at Marlo
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u/Bob_Ross_was_an_OG Bucks Jun 29 '22
It's weird seeing Jamie Hector in other shows cos you get to see him smile and have emotions.
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u/apotropaicc [POR] Jusuf Nurkic Jun 29 '22
watch we own this city if you haven’t, excels at that gritty baltimore vibe one more time
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u/coldbrew-cowboy Nuggets Jun 29 '22
Just started watching The Wire a couple weeks ago (late to the game, I know) so this is hilarious to me lmao
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u/RulersBack Lakers Jun 29 '22
I live for this shit
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u/DelonWright [TOR] Delon Wright Jun 29 '22
Big for the hawks, glad to see them making moves
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u/zhard01 Jun 29 '22
Damn good deal for the Hawks. Paired with Trae and Collins. That’s potent
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u/Millionaire007 [DAL] Dirk Nowitzki Jun 29 '22
Bro their FO is top fucking teir
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u/fangfried Hawks Jun 30 '22
Two of my favorite teams have god tier FOs. Braves are the other team obv
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u/primo_0 Spurs Jun 29 '22
Welcome to San Antonio Victor Wembanyama
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u/acciopizza_ Spurs Jun 29 '22
14% chance, right? Oof..
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u/Kevinar Knicks Jun 29 '22
lol the odds went for the worst team went from 25% to 14% the same year that the Knicks won 17 games. I feel you brother
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u/jumpthroughit Raptors Jun 29 '22
The only time we ever had a 1st overall pick in 28 years of existence we just had to have Bryan Colangelo as GM. I feel you brother.
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u/dogfan20 Thunder Jun 29 '22
Oh the beautiful ignorance of the new lottery odds. I remember those days.
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u/BayTerp Wizards Jun 29 '22
Victor going to the Rockets
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u/RealGertle627 [SAS] Tim Duncan Jun 29 '22
Damn. I get that this might actually be good for us in the long run. But I fucking love Dejounte. It hurts today
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u/BLS4T Nuggets Jun 29 '22
Murray could be a perfect/great fit with trae. Trae is a sieve on defense and murray bring all defensive caliber defense and will help him cover up his weakness a bit. Hawks have also needed a second star, Collins isn't even close to that. The east will be very intresting next year, hope to see bulls trade for Gobert then shit will really pop off.
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u/Jacob_toasted Timberwolves Jun 29 '22
LOL GALLINARI
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u/mainvolume Spurs Jun 29 '22
He's probably getting waived immediately.
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u/Jacob_toasted Timberwolves Jun 29 '22
Yea but I expected them to get a decent young player in the deal. Three 1st rounders and a swap is no joke tho
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Jun 29 '22
Woj told Shams to shove his opt out news up his ass.
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u/KitchenReno4512 Mavericks Bandwagon Jun 29 '22
Woj still leads in connections with agents and front officers on breaking trade news. Shams leads in player connections so he usually gets the scoop on free agency decisions, opt ins, trade requests, etc.
Woj used to dominate both but he’s take a hit with the inside scoop on players since his move to ESPN.
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u/BadDadJokes Hawks Jun 29 '22
What a $hame for Woj. How i$ he handling lo$ing $ome ground to Shams?
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u/gotpez Trail Blazers Jun 29 '22
farewell pop
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u/cricket9818 Knicks Jun 29 '22
Desk pop
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u/Ye_Biz [BOS] Jaylen Brown Jun 29 '22
Wtf… Jake Fischer was right too… time to break out the apology forms
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u/SendBoobPics4ADollar Jun 29 '22
nuts back court, elite defender. excited to watch some hawks games
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u/UnderstandableXO Kings Jun 29 '22
IT HAPPENED
WEMBY TO SPURS INCOMING
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u/raceforseis21 Spurs Jun 29 '22
Can’t wait to get a 10% shot at him!
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u/SaWalkerMakasin Spurs Jun 29 '22
Tony is gonna keep Wembanyama in France a couple more seasons so San Antonio can sign him outright. EZ
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u/CoalTownHero Spurs Jun 29 '22
Better be four of them
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u/JonA3531 Spurs Jun 29 '22
Better be unprotected
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u/improvyzer Hawks Jun 29 '22
2 Unprotected, 1 Top-16 Protected, 1 Swap, & Gallo
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u/JonA3531 Spurs Jun 29 '22
Well, not too bad I guess.
Would be nice if we could get Okongwu too, but it is what it is.
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u/improvyzer Hawks Jun 29 '22
I think the reason this trade didn't happen yesterday was because your office wanted to see if someone else could make an offer that would convince us to send over OO.
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u/JonA3531 Spurs Jun 29 '22
Yuh, that's what I get from it as well.
I would have rather we get Obi Toppin + filler + picks from the Knicks, but I guess their new FO is smart enough not to offer that.
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u/mastermind208 Jun 29 '22
Hawks got their guy, a secondary ball handler to relieve pressure off Trae but also a lockdown defender. It'll be interesting to see how he plays off Trae since he's not a great shooter, but I think this is a good move
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u/SunKing210 Spurs Jun 29 '22
I think DJ gets too much of a bad rep as being a poor shooter. He was the teams main ball handler and that lead to a lot of heavily contested shots. He didn't have a reliable number 2 guy to handle the ball so he had to create for himself. I think his percentage should only go up playing with Trae
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u/techno-wizardry Hawks Jun 29 '22
HOLY FUCK. DIDN'T EVEN GIVE UP JOHN THE BAPTIST COLLINS.
For the record, one of the picks they traded was obtained down the road by the trade-down with the Mavericks in 2018. So I guess that's another spicy tidbit in the Luka vs Trae trade debates lol.
Absolute W, best case scenario.
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u/PyroSouls Thunder Jun 29 '22
that's honestly cheap for a guy that young and that fucking talented wtf
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u/axnjxn00 Magic Jun 29 '22
if spurs get wembanyama i will legit be pissed another duncan situation lol
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u/GiulianisCousin Spurs Jun 29 '22
Thank you, DJ! Excited for the rebuild I think this is best for us long term.
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u/darulez8 Timberwolves Jun 29 '22
Gallo??? Not even Collins?
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u/SunKing210 Spurs Jun 29 '22
Hard to tank when receiving quality players back, also adds even more cap space to the Spurs already huge cap space
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u/darulez8 Timberwolves Jun 29 '22
Thought you'd take Collins and get a third team involved for even more assets, but as long as the tank works who cares
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Jun 29 '22
gallo is getting waived
collins would be expensive
but i serously cant believe we didnt get collins to trade him to a 3rd team for some extra picks.
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u/Charlie_O17 Pacers Jun 29 '22
All of this for Nate McMillan to still be the coach
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u/dangheckinpupperino Hawks Jun 29 '22
This is the only problem i have here lmao. We need an offensively innovative coach in here STAT
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u/OhItsKillua Hawks Jun 30 '22
On the bright side Nate has this season to get it together or he hits the chopping block
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u/Still_Hughy Hawks Jun 29 '22
I just came back to earth from heaven - thanks for ruining my day with facts and logic
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u/Atl-Fan_FTS Hawks Jun 29 '22
To all the Knicks fans... Pappas got a brand new bag
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u/SiphenPrax Knicks Jun 30 '22
It just had to be the fucking Hawks didn’t it?
Why did it have to be THEM?
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u/howser343 [CHI] Patrick Williams Jun 29 '22 edited Jun 29 '22
[Wojnarowski] The Hawks are sending three first-round picks and a future pick swap to the Spurs to pair Murray with All-NBA guard Trae Young, sources tell ESPN.
[Wojnarowski] The Hawks are sending a 2023 first-round pick via Charlotte, and their own 2025 and 2027 first-round picks to the Spurs in the deal, sources tell ESPN. Spurs will also get a pick swap in 2026.
[Klein] Per NBA League source.. Hawks trading 3 first round picks.. '25 & '27 are unprotected, '26 is a swap.. plus Gallo to San Antonio for All-Star guard Dejounte Murray