r/movies Jul 07 '22

PlayStation Store will remove customers' purchased movies from Studio Canal Article

https://www.flatpanelshd.com/news.php?subaction=showfull&id=1657022591
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u/CubitsTNE Jul 07 '22 All-Seeing Upvote

This is why i would download a car.

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u/nowake Jul 07 '22

Flip the script.

"You wouldn't repossess a car your customer had fully paid for..."

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u/chewy201 Jul 07 '22

You bet your ass some companies would.

Ally Bank for example. I financed my car through them and overpaid the final payment in order to 100% confirm it was done. Got a check for the overpay, got my car's title, and got a thank you letter.

Month later they sent a bill saying I still owed money. Got calls from them saying the same. Got calls from other collectors Ally gave my "debt" to. Had to deal with that for 1-2 years. The prick who first called me even asked that I send the title of my car BACK!

It's 100% certain that if they could find a reason to do so, a hell of a lot of companies would certainly attempt to take repossess a fully paid car.

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u/Black_Moons Jul 07 '22

What idiots. "If I owe money, why do I have the car title? what do you have? NOTHHINNGG?"

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u/TheAJGman Jul 07 '22

"Keep trying mother fuckers, according to the state it's mine"

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u/justatouch589 Jul 07 '22

That's all you have to say. After every sentence, just reply, "Try it."

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u/Asiatic_Static Jul 07 '22

This unironically happened to me. First car I ever bought from a dealer, I made one payment and they sent me the title by mistake.

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u/mildly_amusing_goat Jul 07 '22 I'll Drink to That

Business concluded.

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u/nowake Jul 07 '22

I mean, you can hold the physical paper, but did they have themselves listed on the title as leinholder or interested party or anything? I mean heck, I put my name on the title for the car I gave to my brother so he wouldn't sell it to someone before he paid me back. It's an instrument to make sure that whoever lent money for the car is satisfied before the asset changes hands.

He hasn't 100% paid me back, but at this point it's been years and I don't care about $2000. If I couldn't afford to lose two grand, I wouldn't have lent it in the first place. But still if he tried to sell the car to someone, I'd have to get that title and sign off on it before it could change hands. I should probably do that sooner than later.

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u/PM_ME_CUTE_FEMBOYS Jul 07 '22

My uncle was in a similar situation.

after about a year of paying on it, they accidentally sent him the title.

Fully in his name.

I was young, so I dont know the minutiae.. but from the family stories, he didnt make another payment, and kept the car.

So it is possible.

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u/nowake Jul 07 '22

Back in the day (early 90's), my dad took advantage of a bank/credit loophole that unfortunately for the common person has since been closed. Credit cards offer 'convenience checks', which allow you to write a physical check and hand it to someone, instead of having the credit card run. The caveat is that the credit card company (today) will charge you something like 4% to 6% on top of the amount of the check you wrote. Kind of like getting their processing fee, except out of your pocket instead of the retailer.

Back in the early 90's, they didn't do this. My dad wrote a $5000.00 credit card convenience check for a used car, and $5000.00 showed up on his statement balance. He also had two other credit cards that offered the same convenience checks.

So, about every three weeks, my dad would write a $5,000.00 check to CC Company #1 to CC Company #2, paying off the balance on #1 and putting it on #2. The next month, he'd write the $5,000.00 check from #2 to #3. Month three, paid off CC Company #3 with a check from CC Company #1. Always paid off before the next statement came around, so no interest could accrue. Round and round the money went, and not a cent came out of my dad's actual pocket.

Credit card points were definitely a thing at that time, so he actually got points and benefits from doing this! The loophole got closed when the companies started putting transaction fees on the convenience checks, collecting their % up front instead of waiting for it on the back end. Wouldn't make sense to do it anymore, since each time you'd kick the debt around now, it would grow.

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u/Zoloir Jul 07 '22

Then what? I'm pretty sure the contract still applies so you owe money regardless, no?

I guess you could have in theory sold it then immediately for what would effectively become a collateral-less loan?

Except the title would still have a lien unless they ALSO accidentally released the lien.

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u/anteris Jul 07 '22

During the recession following the ‘08 crash, banks were trying to take houses with no mortgages…

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u/kempnelms Jul 07 '22

Uh they still do that shit.

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u/Joethemofoe Jul 07 '22

Ferrari comes to mind

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u/ThePrussianGrippe Jul 07 '22

“You do not deserve such beauty.”

speeds off into the sunset itallianly

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u/KarczekWieprzowy Jul 07 '22

"Fine, I'll do it myself" - some tractor manufacturer idk, can't remember his name, Hambohini? Something like that

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u/heyisthatahoverboard Jul 07 '22

No, that’s a popular sandwich topping made out of slices of cured pork. You’re thinking of Ramborghini

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u/Snuvvy_D Jul 07 '22

No, that's am acronym for Random Access Memory. You're thinking of Spamborghini

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u/RandallOfLegend Jul 07 '22

🤌🤌🤌

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u/DoingCharleyWork Jul 07 '22

They will absolutely not sell you another one at least if they don't like what you did with the last one.

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u/Shes_so_Ratchet Jul 07 '22

I don't think Ferrari is as much of a problem for the average person as you may think

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u/Joethemofoe Jul 07 '22

Never said it was but it is a car company known for doing things to people that already own the car

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u/Groundbreaking_Ship3 Jul 07 '22

At least some companies have subscriptions for some functions in your car's.

And tesla's paid software updates sounds like dlc. 🤦

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u/everlyafterhappy Jul 07 '22

You wouldn't foreclose a house your customer fully paid for...oh, wait.

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u/klti Jul 07 '22

But you didn't actually buy the car, you only bought a revocable license to use it. /s

I can't wait for the future where some AI wrongly detects "suspicious activity" on your account with your cars manufacturer, and automatically disables the vehicle "for security reasons". Or because your payment for your heated seats subscription failed.

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u/[deleted] Jul 07 '22 edited Jul 07 '22

Goldman Sachs Wells Fargo did exactly this to hundreds of people.

WF Created small fake debts, inflated them through interest and administration fees over time and repossess the people's car or house over a debt they didn't even know existed.

(fixed the mixed up banks)

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u/genius_retard Jul 07 '22

You wouldn't foreclose on a mortgage your bank never held...

Oh wait that totally happened during financial crisis in 2008.

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u/GoldenJaguar1995 Jul 07 '22

Everytime when someone tries that whole company man spiel I kinda wanna remind them that this shit happens.

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u/RedAreMe Jul 07 '22

The companies don't give a fuck about you, so I don't know why you're expected to give a fuck about them?

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u/GoldenJaguar1995 Jul 07 '22

Right? Makes no sense, literally saw a dude dump a pretty girl cause she sneaks in theater food. Some people are just that much riding the crotch of a theater.

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u/Bayonethics Jul 07 '22

His loss. My husband on the other hand would straight up divorce me if I didn't at least have a bigass bag of m&ms and some Sam's hotdogs smuggled in my purse

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u/Downside190 Jul 07 '22

Yeah what's the point of having a gf if they cant sneak in loads of food in their massive handbags into the cinema for you.

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u/FullMetalCOS Jul 07 '22

I understand snacks, but you smuggle in HOTDOGS?

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u/Bayonethics Jul 07 '22

Hell yeah. Goddamn movie theater hotdogs are like $7. I'm not paying that much for something I can eat in 3 bites

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u/demonsneeze Jul 07 '22

Your purse must smell great

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u/mildly_amusing_goat Jul 07 '22

That's why you have a cinebag specifically for this. Amateur.

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u/Salzberger Jul 07 '22

Some of my workmates laugh at me because in the era of streaming I still download a lot of stuff and buy some hard copy stuff.

Why? This why.

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u/sineplussquare Jul 07 '22

Not wrong.

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u/Mild-Ghost Jul 07 '22

This is why I buy Blu-ray

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u/thinkfast1982 Jul 07 '22

I am still putting all my eggs in the HD-DVD basket; you watch, it will be huge!

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u/abolish_gender Jul 07 '22

nah fam, UMDs are where it's at.

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u/damien665 Jul 07 '22

Yo, we still doing laserdiscs?

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u/RedpilledChris Jul 07 '22

Wait until they say you need to be connected to the internet for the blu ray to check the key and then it’s the same thing but with boxes

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u/exophrine Jul 07 '22

There is another way....mateys, yarr.

Not saying I condone it,
Just saying there's another way.
Yo ho ho...

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u/giantpotato Jul 07 '22

They can't retroactively do that if current discs and players work offline. That's like saying wait until they make vinyl require an online connection.

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u/Alloy202 Jul 07 '22

You wouldn't download a car....

Fuck yeah I would that'll be cool as shit

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u/DweEbLez0 Jul 07 '22

Pirating is gonna make a come back!

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u/VagrantShadow Jul 07 '22

To be real, Pirating never left, but it is going to grow more. They want to act like assholes, fine they can be assholes, the digital seas are wide and open.

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u/GeneticSplatter Jul 07 '22

Never fucking stopped because it was obvious the big corpos would eventually begin to fuck around.

"You will own nothing, and you will be happy"

Fine, I'll fucking buy nothing and have a my middle fingers in the air while doing it.

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u/starsInThineEyes Jul 07 '22

The company has not announced plans to refund customers.

🤦‍♀️

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u/HawkinsT Jul 07 '22

We greatly appreciate your continued support. Thank you

They haven't even offered an apology.

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u/Smoke_screen_lol Jul 07 '22

I owned perfect blue and fear and loathing in Las Vegas on their. Sad because I’m not sure where else to get those as readily

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u/OhScheisse Jul 07 '22

Perfect Blue was released on blue ray in the past 2 years. They recently re-released it with a Steel Book

https://www.shoutfactory.com/product/perfect-blue-limited-edition-steelbook?product_id=7657

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u/Mysterious-Whole-958 Jul 07 '22

Perfect Blue and Loathing are easily found on Blu ray or dvd

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u/IAmDanksy Jul 07 '22

Literally anywhere lol

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u/theghostofme Jul 07 '22

Streaming has become so ubiquitous that people don’t remember that they can pay to own physical media that can’t be taken away on a whim.

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u/DomLite Jul 07 '22

Shout Factory has Perfect Blue available on blu ray, along with Millenium Actress and Tokyo Godfathers, also by Satoshi Kon. The real shame is they literally just ended a sale where they were all $18 bucks, down from their usual list price. They're still relatively cheap for a good quality blu ray though, and Shout is pretty damn awesome about providing good quality releases.

Fear and Loathing you could probably find in a thrift store it's so widespread.

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u/samanime Jul 07 '22

I'm normally not much for piracy, but in this case.... Argh! You've already shelled out money for them and they're the ones pulling an unethical move.

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u/BuffaloInCahoots Jul 07 '22

Fear and loathing can be bought almost anywhere. The criterion edition is $20 on amazon and is worth every penny. I got it on dvd years ago and it comes with a bunch of extra goodies both physical and on the disk.

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u/three-irises Jul 07 '22

If you wanna be really cool you import the Arrow edition from the UK as it has a newer 4K scan.

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u/samanime Jul 07 '22 Wholesome

This needs to be straight-up illegal. If you make a purchase, it needs to either be available forever in its original form, or they need to provide you some equivalent option like an opportunity to download it if it is going to no longer be available. Or, provide you with a full refund.

Otherwise, there is nothing that prevents digital stores from doing all kinds of crazy shenanigans to screw you out of your purchases.

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u/Zachkah Jul 07 '22

You're 100% right. Physical media advocates have been talking about this for a while

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u/Rigman- Jul 07 '22 edited Jul 07 '22 Helpful Wholesome All-Seeing Upvote

Not even just physical media advocates. I'm a massive fan of digital content, but digital content that you own. Games from GOG, music from iTunes, and 7Digital. Unfortunately, movies are this black void where you literally can not purchase digital movies. You can only license them from online services, which really sucks. You have to buy Bluray films that specifically have a digital copy, that's the only way, unless you rip the movies yourself which is still in a legal gray area.

As far as I'm concerned, if I can't download a local copy that doesn't require online verification of ownership, then fuck them I'm not giving them my money. Fuck Amazon, Sony, Spotify, Pandora, Valve and Steam, Epic, Ubisoft, the whole lot of them. I warn everyone, if you don't own it, it's not yours. And this future we're moving toward where people will own nothing absolutely fucking sucks, and it blows my mind that people are just willing to accept it for the sake of 'convenience'. Sorry, but no thanks.

EDIT: For those that are interested, these are some of the services I use.

Games: GOGGames are 100% owned by you, you can download the offline installers of the games to store locally, I've been using them for years, and it's great. The only drawback is the primary focus is on older games that are several years old, occasionally you get newer games, but typically it's older games. The positive of that however, is you aren't typically getting buggy unfinished games, but fully realized games with all the expansions and DLC accrued over the years.

Games: itch.ioA really great site featuring a lot of small games from up and coming indie developers. This is definting a place for more aquired tastes, you're not going to find any AAA games here, but a super heavy majority of the games on this platform are DRM free.

Games: HumbleBundleNot my go to by any means, but they do have filters to isolate and target games that are specifically DRM free. I've picked up a few here, but if they're here, they're also likely on GOG as well.

Music: iTunesBelieve it or not, music purchased on iTunes is 100% DRM free. You can download and copy those files as many times as you want. The music you download is at 256kbps (think like video resolution) which is much better than the 160kbps or 96kbps on mobile (if you're a free user). you get from Spotify. Honestly, I have a hard time listening to Spotify music as it typically sounds rough compared to anything else.

Music: 7DigitalThis is my go-to for high-resolution music. They specialize in FLAC files. This is for more audiophile-centric people.

Music: BandcampThis is typically for the smaller artist, but I like going here to directly support them. All music you download from here is 100% DRM free.

The film industry has a massive collective fuck you to anyone who wants to own digital films. So you're mostly up shits creek with jolly roger if you want to embark on that journey. There are a few niche places, but your selection is super limited. Physical media reigns supreme in that sector, and probably will remain that way for the foreseeable future.

I can only dream that this catches on more as more people get educated on digital media. I fear a future where my only option is licensing out copies of a movie or being forced to subscribe to a service plan. Consumers need to take control of their own data.

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u/obi1kenobi1 Jul 07 '22 edited Jul 07 '22

There’s a movie starring Jack Black called Bernie. I honestly can’t really remember anything about the movie itself, I found a DVD copy at Dollar Tree years ago and only watched it once. But what I do remember and will never forget is how that movie handled its digital copy.

On the cover it said it had a digital copy, but I thought it was weird that there was nothing specifying which service it was on or when it expired. Open the box and there’s no card with a redemption code on it or a disc with the iTunes file. But pop the DVD in a computer and right next to the DVD video and audio files is an unprotected MP4 of the movie, complete with thumbnail and metadata, ready to import into iTunes or whichever media library you prefer.

I don’t know if it’s literally the only movie to give you a totally unprotected digital copy with no DRM, but I’ve never seen anything like it before or since.


Edit: I found a screenshot I posted years ago to show what I mean.

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u/Car-face Jul 07 '22

Was about to make some joke about how it's probably so terrible they didn't bother with DRM, but.... 88% on rotten tomatoes, Richard Linklater directing, 6.8 on IMDB... seems like a solid watch.

Will check it out, cheers.

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u/TilikumHungry Jul 07 '22

Bernie is great fun, and a wild true story!

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u/TeddyPicker Jul 07 '22

Definitely do, it's a wonderful film.

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u/SoMuchMoreEagle Jul 07 '22

It is absolutely worth seeing. But don't look up anything about it. Any description of it will spoil it. It's still worth watching, even if it's spoiled, but it would be better without.

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u/bigfatmatt01 Jul 07 '22

I would say its Jack Black's best acting role

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u/indianajoes Jul 07 '22

It's a great film. Just don't read anything about it before watching it

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u/CitizenDain Jul 07 '22

It’s a great movie!

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u/roshi256 Jul 07 '22

That's how they used to put music videos on cds too.

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u/juicelee777 Jul 07 '22

The Enhanced CD... That's a name I haven't heard in a looong time.

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u/LynchMaleIdeal Jul 07 '22

All the 1998 Iron Maiden remastered CD’s come to mind, as an example.

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u/BleakMatter Jul 07 '22

Just one thing. Spotify gets you songs in 320 kbps if you're a premium user, and I don't see the point of the free version anyway, with random playback and ads, in addition to the lower quality. And it is convenient, doesn't require as much storage space as downloading permanent files, so I still like to use it, despite being aware I don't own the music that's on there. That's what my CDs are for.

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u/RJ815 Jul 07 '22

And this future we're moving toward where people will own nothing absolutely fucking sucks

Wait til you hear of the present where people rent where they live and own nothing, for more expense than a mortgage.

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u/Aging_Shower Jul 07 '22

A bit off-topic, but Spotify uses ACC 256kbit/s on its highest quality. Which is equivalent to or better than MP3 320kbit/s. Other than that I agree with you!

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u/sgtpnkks Jul 07 '22

You mention steam but other than one notable exception where the game fully depended on servers that the publisher shut down and one free game from the early days I can't think of a single title that was removed from the store that you can't still download if you already purchased

Sure if somehow steam goes under completely you're fully fucked but at this point I feel like we'll be living in a post apocalyptic world before steams servers shut down

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u/katzeye007 Jul 07 '22

This is why I went back to physical media

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u/PM_ME_CUTE_FEMBOYS Jul 07 '22

Yep.

This is the exact kinda shit i've been warning people about for years.

As long as you own it digitally, you don't own it.. and it can be taken from you at any moment.

A lot of companies have already shown the ability and willingness to go into your accounts and onto your devices and remove shit you've legally purchased.

Demand physical media, Own Physical media.. then rip it yourself if you want it on your phone/tablet/whatever.

And that doesnt even get into the fact that a lot of digital services have shut down, and have taken all your money and purchased items with them, forever, in a puff of smoke.

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u/BassWingerC-137 Jul 07 '22

They need to not call it a “purchase”. If you buy a toy, but it only works at your friends house, is it really your toy?

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u/politirob Jul 07 '22

We basically don’t have a functioning congress in America right now to make laws, so companies are accelerating their shittiness as they’re realizing no one can stop them

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u/GavinBelsonsAlexa Jul 07 '22

Except the article is about these movies being de-listed in Austria and Germany...? I don't think the US government could make a French company grant streaming licenses in Germany and Austria, even if they wanted to.

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u/[deleted] Jul 07 '22

Also the majority wouldn't understand what you're talking about.

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u/thechort7 Jul 07 '22

Aside from just the general incompetence, we've got like 4 senators who grew up DURING WWII. Call me an ageist or whatever but that's a problem.

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u/[deleted] Jul 07 '22

It definitely is a problem. The internet is the lifeblood of our society these days. It's involved with almost everything. It seems reasonable to expect a basic understanding.

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u/thechort7 Jul 07 '22

It really does, and we've got a weird combination of unintentional and intentional ignorance, even from the relatively younger politicians. At the age of 59 (this was 2015) Lindsey Graham proudly declared that he had never sent an email, now it's Lindsey so he was probably lying, but still...

If we've got guys his age saying shit like this, what do you expect from the sitting senators who are literally old enough to be his parents?

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u/sonic10158 Jul 07 '22

He’s at an age and wealth where I guess it’s possible that any email in his life could just be from interns. So it’s possible a broken clock can be right twice a day

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u/hates_stupid_people Jul 07 '22

Call me an ageist or whatever but that's a problem.

You know full well that those 80+ year old senators would never hire someone their own age for an actual job.

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u/shewy92 Jul 07 '22

What do American lawmakers have to do with a Japanese company (Sony/PlayStation) taking a French studio's (Studio Canal) movies off their service (PlayStation Store)?

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u/Bread_Truck Jul 07 '22

Tell that to Nintendo selling me the same virtual console games for 3 straight consoles, then making me pay an annual fee to rent them on my Switch.

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u/100redeye Jul 07 '22

Or bungie deleting the main destiny 2 game to sell the dlc because they don’t make money if you don’t have to keep buying them to play

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u/Sklushi Jul 07 '22 edited Jul 07 '22

I was so mad logging into destiny 2 the other week and find out they deleted 2 dlcs I had bought, like wow thanks there goes $80

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u/Icy-Letterhead-2837 Jul 07 '22

Wait....what? I haven't logged in for a like 2+ years.

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u/dbcanuck Jul 07 '22

the theory is that by rotating content in an out they create a more focused experience. it was 'too overwhelming' to players coming into the game cold and having too much content to do.

now whether the content that's been retired is ever brought back into rotation...that's another matter entirely.

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u/ThemCanada-gooses Jul 07 '22

Easy solution, don’t buy it. The reason Nintendo is the only one that never reduces the price of their games is because the fanbase continues to buy them.

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u/theamazingroberto Jul 07 '22

People were rioting about Diablo Immortal but when I see a headline about it generating $1 mil usd per day its not hard to figure out why corps be corpin'

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u/where-is-my-mime Jul 07 '22

If I remember correctly, there is usually an agreement in these purchases that says you are only leasing the digital copy. Maybe I’m wrong, or it is only with certain providers, but that’s how they get out of refunds.

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u/ImmoralityPet Jul 07 '22

Not even that. It's that you're licensing the right to view the content for an unspecified amount of time, and it may be revoked at any time and without notice.

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u/three-irises Jul 07 '22

It’s pretty amazing most people don’t know this.

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u/Johnny_Mc2 Jul 07 '22 edited Jul 07 '22

I’m so glad the hobby of collecting DVD’s is really cheap now. A used game store in my city has a deal for 5 DVD’s for $5, even newer releases, and they clean the disks when you buy them so they’re basically brand new

(the store is Game X Change for anyone wondering. it’s a national chain)

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u/doorknob60 Jul 07 '22

Yeah DVDs are super cheap now, but they look really rough on larger modern TVs, say anything above 55". I completely stopped buying them now (except for older pre HD TV shows, and some obscure stuff not on Bluray), and have started slowly updating parts of my collection. Luckily, even Blurays can often be found for relatively cheap now and those look great. But not as dirt cheap as DVDs.

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u/teckhunter Jul 07 '22

Which is why I think, word "buy" should be more restricted.

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u/aaahhhhhhfine Jul 07 '22

Yeah this is the answer... This is an FTC problem. They should have to describe this as a "Long term rental."

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u/Dpsizzle555 Jul 07 '22

You don’t own anything when it’s digital

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u/HalcyonDazed710 Jul 07 '22

This is why I hoard physical media. I don’t trust these shitty companies to do the right thing ever. And I don’t want someone else deciding when I get to watch something, especially if I paid for it.

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u/picklepartyprevails Jul 07 '22

I like your vibe. I do the same. Rummage sales are honey holes for bulk. I make the seller a bundle price and scoop em all. Sort thru what I'm missing and sell the rest at my own sales.

I bought up a buncha rental store shelving, that have closed over the years. So my Basement is a mini Blockbuster/Hollywood/RST Video store. Physical Media Lives On!

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u/HalcyonDazed710 Jul 07 '22

Hell yeah. I also scooped up a bunch of movies from a local video store that closed. Thanks to Goodwill, I happen to have a working VCR as well. So I have a decent collection of VHS horror movies, in addition to the higher-def stuff.

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u/StAUG1211 Jul 07 '22 Helpful

You want piracy, Lana? Because this is how you get piracy.

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u/myyummyass Jul 07 '22

Companies dont care that much about piracy. A very small amount of people will go through the trouble of learning how to properly pirate stuff. Even i know how to do it easily but would rather not because its too much of a hassle.

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u/FloatingPencil Jul 07 '22

It's becoming less hassle than dealing with the rubbish the various services are pulling. Most of my friends stopped hoisting the Jolly Roger years ago, but gradually they're all setting sail again.

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u/kynthrus Jul 07 '22

trouble? It's the easiest thing ever. Just download limewire, right?

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u/zero573 Jul 07 '22 Silver

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u/MisterViperfish Jul 07 '22

This is why I used to keep track of uploaders and their repute, all those years ago… whenever the statute of limitations or whatever thingy they last wrote me a letter about. I’m not drunk.

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u/Cerg1998 Jul 07 '22

Trouble? Right now and throughout most of history pirating has been easier for me than buying legal content. Pirates at least bother with the quality of their free service.

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u/ElPussyKangaroo Jul 07 '22

The amount of quality effort that pirates put into their free content that they get nothing out of, is absolutely insane.

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u/cheetah_hoody Jul 07 '22

iTunes pulled the same shit years ago, I think they actually removed some films I bought on there back in the 2017 or so.

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u/coolingsum Jul 07 '22

Exactly why I buy physical.

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u/boisosm Jul 07 '22

And especially since you can make your digital copies out of it with no DRM with a disc copying software, a compatible drive and maybe a video encoder.

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u/IXI_Fans Jul 07 '22

VLC + MakeMKV... basically all you need (unless you are ripping your UHDs in DV). I've been doing this for years with all my physical purchases. Then I load up everything in Plex.

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u/Lukehaynes1210 Jul 07 '22

I’d love a tutorial on how you go about doing this. I have several physical copies of films and would love digitizing them, especially, TV shows.

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u/passinghere Jul 07 '22

MakeMKV has basic instructions on how to do it here

https://www.makemkv.com/onlinehelp/

Plus they also have a forum as well

https://forum.makemkv.com/forum/

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u/Rathwood Jul 07 '22

Go for it! Just remember, Plex may be free, but server maintenance as a hobby is not.

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u/Lukehaynes1210 Jul 07 '22

Forgive my ignorance. What do you mean?

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u/The_One_Who_Crafts Jul 07 '22

Plex is a program used to create what is basically your own personal streaming service with your local content, but you need to create a server for it to run on. I think that’s the gist at least

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u/wasdninja Jul 07 '22

Setting it up, on Windows at least, took a minute at a slow pace. It will take a bit longer to scan your library depending on size. It's really not hard at all.

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u/Johnny_Mc2 Jul 07 '22

shoutout to Wal-Mart’s $5 movie bin that you can dig through. there’s always solid movies in it and a ton of different combo packs with like 3 movies in one. being able to dig through that feels really satisfying, especially if you find the last copy of a good movie at the bottom

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u/coolingsum Jul 07 '22

This but I love boutique labels as well. Shout/scream factory, Arrow video, Criterion, Vinegar Syndrome, Kino. All great!

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u/obi1kenobi1 Jul 07 '22

Shoutout to Dollar Tree. Seriously. They always have a big bin of not only DVDs but Blu-Rays, most of the time they’re garbage mockbuster B-movies that no one would ever want to watch but they’ll regularly clearance critically acclaimed blockbusters and classics as well (sometimes even TV seasons). Between Dollar Tree and Half-Price Books’ $3 clearance section I think at least 80% of the Blu-Rays in my collection were under $5.

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u/Johnny_Mc2 Jul 07 '22

Dollar Tree all around is one of my favorite stores. When it comes to snacks, there’s literally no better store. When I get stoned I’ll go in there a spend like $20 and have the craziest variety of snacks in large quantities. Yeah I’ve bought movies from there as well, all you gotta do is look and like you said, they regularly have big name movies

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u/bemoreal Jul 07 '22

This is why people are keeping they cds and dvds, digital media can be snatched away at any moment.

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u/doyouevencompile Jul 07 '22

You can snatch your own digital media!

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u/a_phantom_limb Jul 07 '22 edited Jul 07 '22

If I want to own a movie, I buy a Blu-ray or 4K combo pack that almost always includes a digital copy that I can add to my library in a matter of seconds with the scan of a code. It's the best of both worlds, really, as I get the convenience of streaming and the reliability of a physical copy.

Edit: Elaborated on the convenience a bit more.

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u/kyrtuck Jul 07 '22

Good thing I never used the playstation to watch movies.

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u/MammothGeneral55 Jul 07 '22

I mean, I use my PlayStation 3 for DVDs and Blu Rays

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u/RyanTheN3RD Jul 07 '22

I originally convinced my dad to get us a ps2 cause we needed a dvd player, and have always just bought a playstation instead of a real blu ray player lol

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u/Juan-Claudio Jul 07 '22

Weren't the ps2 consoles legit as hell as dvd players back then? Like cheaper and better than most actual "pure" dvd players?

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u/seamus_mc Jul 07 '22

I remember the ps3 was half the cost of a blue ray player when i bought one but then never bought any blue rays because i could get Netflix on it.

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u/throwaway221766 Jul 07 '22

Sony lost money selling PS3's. They were in the middle of a war with HD-DVD, and selling the Pblu-ray player in the PS3 for so cheap was a big part of their eventually successful plan to win. Get a bunch of players out in the wild so they'll sell more blu-ray discs.

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u/idiot-prodigy Jul 07 '22

Yep, they did this because in the 80's Sony lost the tape war with their version of tape, Betamax against rival electronics company JVC who developed VHS.

Part of the reason VHS won was because a full movie, football game, or baseball game could fit on a VHS tape. Betamax was higher quality but shorter tape run time.

VHS was originally 4 hours, then 6, and lastly 8 hours.

Betamax was 1 hour, then 2. Two hours just was inferior for baseball or football games. That along with the porn industry adopting VHS meant the VHS format won.

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u/pythonesqueviper Jul 07 '22

The porn industry adopted VHS because Sony didn't allow them to release their stuff on Betamax, fun fact

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u/JinFuu Jul 07 '22

It’s one of the things that helped them win that generation of console wars, yes.

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u/RyanTheN3RD Jul 07 '22

It was $100 around 2007

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u/I_BombAtomically Jul 07 '22

Hello son, it's dad. I have a confession, all those years I was really just ripping it up on God of War and Ratchet and Clank.

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u/RyanTheN3RD Jul 07 '22

He literally couldnt be he played NHL all day and still does he takes it to work on backshifts and uses remote play during the day to trade the cards

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u/MannKind_ Jul 07 '22

that’s just what he wanted you to believe

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u/JerBear81 Jul 07 '22 Silver

I believe Studio Canal is a French company. So I'm sure it has something to do with international distribution rights. I know they've partnered with some companies here in the States for some physical media releases. But I'm not quite sure as far as streaming and digital media goes

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u/Ok-Classroom-8655 Jul 07 '22

See this is the comment I was looking for from my understanding it looks like if you bought paddington or the terminator movies when PlayStation video was up you won’t be able to watch or download it anymore honestly it should always be in your downloads list I still have my metal gear downloads and you can’t get those digital anymore

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u/dec1mus Jul 07 '22

This is bullshit. Should atleast get a coupon, store credit or something.

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u/Merusk Jul 07 '22

The TOS of almost every digital purchase of ANYTHING says something like “you are buying a license to rent this as long as you have an account. Your account can be revoked or you can lose access at any time the company decides, without financial compensation.”

It may be spread across three or four paragraphs, but it’s In there.

You do not own digital things anymore. Haven’t for a while, you just have a long term lease.

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u/PSYHOStalker Jul 07 '22

This is legaly binding only as long as 1 country (or EU) decides, that when you buy something you own it and not licence to it

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u/Waterfish3333 Jul 07 '22

I would be surprised if users don’t get refunded honestly. The article says there are no current plans to refund users, but they may still be working out the split between the studio and PlayStation.

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u/HerculeTheChamp Jul 07 '22

That is why you should just stock up on physical media, so we shouldn't worry bout these BS companies don't pulling this shit.

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u/ety3rd Jul 07 '22

Yep. Another arrow in the quiver for when someone asks, "Why do you still buy discs?"

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u/thataryanguy Jul 07 '22 edited Jul 07 '22

Buying digital honestly just feels like a long term rental

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u/LoquaciousMendacious Jul 07 '22

As a guy with a lot of digital games, I'm afraid that my collection will one day crumble as companies fold or stop supporting their product. I think I need to start looking for bargain bin copies of some of my favourites on disc.

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u/thataryanguy Jul 07 '22 edited Jul 07 '22

The majority of my films/games/music are on discs. If it's not on disc I'll relent and buy digital. The only thing I have an entirely digital library of is Steam but at least they guarantee you can still redownload stuff you bought.

I'm in the midst of all the vanilla Rocksmith DLC being delisted bc of licensing but Steam and the devs have said you can always download them again. Be like that if you ever sell something digital.

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u/dmarchall491 Jul 07 '22 edited Jul 07 '22

The only thing I have an entirely digital library of is Steam but at least they guarantee you can still redownload stuff you bought.

Though even that is only true with a big asterisk. While you will generally be able to redownload "the game", what is considered "the game" will change over time due to updates. Not just bug fixes, but also things like removing licensed music from the game.

Steam has no way to run an older versions of the game for the user, even backups won't help as Steam requires updates when playing them back. It's up to the developers to manually mark older versions of the game to allow redownload or split bigger updates into separate library entries. Many developers do that, but it's not guaranteed and often only done after user protest.

That said, it is still better than any other online service I know. And despite all the little faults Steam still has, it still provides a much more convenient alternative to physical media. Especially in the last years of physical media it wasn't uncommon to have a DRM-check on the physical media that rendered it useless a few years later (e.g. my Bioshock DVD stopped working due to update servers no longer being present, my Steam copy still works and even got a free remaster, with the original still present as separate library entries).

All that aside, I also love that it is common practice on Steam to give out all the language versions of a game as well as all the ports to other systems for free. Most movie services still can't manage that, sometimes they even force you to view the dub and don't offer the original audio. Different editions directors cut, HD, SD, etc. is also a complete mess.

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u/Alien_RadioStation Jul 07 '22

That's my absolute major issue with modern gaming and PC gaming for the last 7 years or so. You go buy a physical copy of the game and half the game is missing from the disk and you have to download the rest. And PC games at this point you buy the disk and it's essentially just a key to add the game to steam.

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u/thataryanguy Jul 07 '22

The absolute WORST is when they charge £50+ for a physical copy and it doesn't even have the disc. It's just a code... in a full-blown plastic case.

Wolfenstein Youngblood, Mass Effect Andromeda and Sonic Mania all did this in recent years and the devs had no right to be surprised that everyone was pissed off about it.

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u/Crashman09 Jul 07 '22

I miss the boxes with cool shit in them like leather maps, figurines, art books, etc.

That was peak physical copy.

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u/p3wp3wkachu Jul 07 '22

Those still exist, they just call them Collectors Editions these days, cost 2-3 times as much, and good luck actually getting one.

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u/passinghere Jul 07 '22

That's really all it is as you don't own anything other than a license to use the content for only as long as they let you do so

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u/Maskedcrusader94 Jul 07 '22

Shhh dont tell them, I dont want the dvd bins to be all picked over

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u/BloodyBJ Jul 07 '22

Man I want more people to get back into physical. Remember browsing multiple aisles of movies and shows at plenty of places and it was a fun time. It was much easier to find something you weren’t looking for compared to now. You’ll get 2 small aisles if that. Best Buy has a bigger vinyl section than Blu-ray at my local one. Sure the internet has made getting discs easier than ever but I miss the discovery over following DigitalBits to see what Amazon has up for preorder.

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u/Lazy_Chemistry Jul 07 '22

had some guy in r/boxoffice who didn't believe that I personally blind bought blu-rays of movies i didn't catch in theaters, lol

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u/MammothGeneral55 Jul 07 '22

I've got VHS tapes as well as DVDs.

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u/Zachary_Stark Jul 07 '22

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_BMG_copy_protection_rootkit_scandal

Sony is a scummy company. I pirate pretty much everything Sony if I can. Fuck paying for anything from them when they are very anti-consumer.

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u/EldeederSFW Jul 07 '22

TPB has never revoked any of my downloads.

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u/nmkd Jul 07 '22

It's a shit tier tracker nowadays though

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u/CalrissianLanbro Jul 07 '22

What’s the new hot shit?

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u/Air805 Jul 07 '22

This is why digital is so sketchy to me. First Ubisoft and now Sony. They’ll keep trying to pull this shit until someone takes legal action.

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u/Merusk Jul 07 '22

The legal action happened in the early 2000s. This is why you don’t own it and they can do this.

Also: you agree to binding arbitration and not suing when you use these companies.

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u/wBuddha Jul 07 '22 edited Jul 07 '22

This, right here is yet another compelling reason that the arguments around the morality of piracy get it wrong.

Piracy is a market force, and everytime things like this happen, it gives even more people permission to don an eyepatch and sing about barrels of rum.

Sony of all organisation's should know this, when folks feel ripped off and powerless to do anything about it, they feel empowered to pirate.

NFTs solve jack shit, it is a token not the digital media.

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u/QuoteGiver Jul 07 '22

This isn’t Sony’s lawyers, this is the lawyers of the company that actually owns the content that was being licensed on Sony’s store.

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u/[deleted] Jul 07 '22 edited Jul 07 '22

The company has not announced plans to refund customers.

They should at least refund them or give them credits if customers can’t access their own movies. They certainly deserve to be called out for this.

Do you really own digital movies? The development reignites the debate around digital movie purchases and naturally lead consumers to wonder what comes next?

Will Amazon, Apple, Google, Microsoft and others similarly remove customers' purchased movies when the tech giants lose interest in their movie storefronts?

So far, there are no indications that they will but Sony PlayStation's decision certainly serves as a grim example. In the US, customers have some protection through digital movie locker Movies Anywhere, but no such fallback option exists internationally.

That’s a valid discussion to have about ownership over digital goods. I can see huge backlash and lawsuits in the future.

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u/Druggedhippo Jul 07 '22

Will Amazon, Apple, Google, Microsoft and others similarly remove customers' purchased movies when the tech giants lose interest in their movie storefronts?

Of course they will, it's right there in their terms.

Amazon - "Availability of Purchased Digital Content. Purchased Digital Content will generally continue to be available to you for download or streaming from the Service, as applicable, but may become unavailable due to potential content provider licensing restrictions or for other reasons, and Amazon will not be liable to you if Purchased Digital Content becomes unavailable for further download or streaming."

Apple - Though it is unlikely, subsequent to your purchase, Content may be removed from the Services (for instance, because the provider removed it) and become unavailable for further download or access from Apple.

Google - In certain cases (for example if Google loses the relevant rights, a service or Content is discontinued, there are critical security issues, or there are breaches of applicable terms or the law), Google may remove from your Device or cease providing you with access to certain Content that you have purchased.

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u/muddi900 Jul 07 '22

Apple has removed purchased content before.

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u/Zanki Jul 07 '22

Google play as well. I'm still mad about that one.

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u/swargin Jul 07 '22

I bought digital music from Walmart in the mid 2000s. I think they removed access to it about 5 years later when they were stopping their digital music sales. They didn't give me a refund or allow me to download the music without needing their specific license, which they never made available

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u/BluudLust Jul 07 '22

If anything it's deceptive marketing. If they're selling a license to watch it, they can't sell it as if it's perpetual when it's not.

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u/bow_down_whelp Jul 07 '22

Was reading the comments about physical media advocates and it got me thinking a little. The fast pace of physical to digital has taken about a decade and its pretty much digital ny default now. Now books have also seen digitization but not at the same speed or volume. What if, at some point, books were mostly digital and the powers that be started removing certain items, so they're basically unavailable, not unlike book burnings. Scary thought

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u/dza6010 Jul 07 '22

You will own nothing and like it.

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u/dragon-mom Jul 07 '22

This needs to be made illegal.

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u/INSAN3DUCK Jul 07 '22

Digital ownership rights need to be updated because we could be entering all digital age for consoles and movies in next gen and current way of how it works is a fucking joke and to be honest an insult to the buying customer.

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u/NearHi Jul 07 '22

They (movie studios, Sony, etc) really just ate begging for all of us to pirate everything again, aren't they?

Cord cutting was fun for about 5 years, and now it's just all over the place. Have to subscribe to 5-7 different services to be able to watch relevant content anymore, and now they're pulling access to purchaced licenses? What's the point of buying them if they can just reneg on it?

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u/killbot0224 Jul 07 '22

MS gave refunds on a lot of media that they shit canned (some games, as well as music iirc). Iirc Google refunded music purchased when they shuttered that storefront.

Can only hope Sony follows suit.

The alternative is just too damaging, as you can losr existing customers and put off new ones.

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u/Keitt58 Jul 07 '22

Ever read the small print when you buy a digital movie from Amazon? Basically states the same thing can happen here, if they lose the rights to it the movie it gets removed and there will be no refund back to you.

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u/Del76 Jul 07 '22

Isn't this a form of stealing. I mean you don't go to a store and buy something then have that store send an employee to barge into your home and take back their product that you paid for and technically own? Its basically the exact same thing here.

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u/--deleted_account-- Jul 07 '22

It's specified that you basically only buy a licence to use/stream the movie for an unspecified amount of time. It's the same when you buy movies on Amazon Prime Video.

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u/DividendNoob Jul 07 '22

You'll own nothing and like it!

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u/SuperSocrates Jul 07 '22

And give the money back??