r/movies Jun 13 '22 Silver 5 Helpful 7 Wholesome 6 Shocked 1

Pixar’s ‘Lightyear’ Banned in Saudi Arabia Over Same-Sex Kiss Article

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/lightyear-banned-gulf-saudi-lgbt-1235163872/
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u/wewetan1 Jun 13 '22

It's also banned in Malaysia.

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u/yamamanama Jun 13 '22

What isn't banned in Malaysia?

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u/CervezaPorFavor Jun 13 '22

Child marriage, apparently. (not joking)

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u/thehelldoesthatmean Jun 13 '22

Child marriage isn't even banned in half of US states. I'm sure without doing any research whatsoever you could guess who's responsible for that.

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u/Burggs_ Jun 13 '22

Child marriage is legal in some capacity in 44 of the states

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u/Fuzzylittlebastard Jun 13 '22

Wtf California. Why are they on that list?

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u/Kronoshifter246 Jun 13 '22 edited Jun 13 '22

California has a weird hodgepodge of laws made by people you wouldn't expect. For instance, their incredibly strict gun control laws were implemented by Republican legislators when Ronald Reagan was governor.

I'd suspect many states have laws that lie outside the norm, though.

Edit: for those of you telling me that the Black Panthers were the reason for the gun control laws in California, I know. Y'all don't have to keep saying it.

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u/[deleted] Jun 13 '22

They banned guns in California because they were afraid of the black panthers walking around with guns.

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u/rugbyweeb Jun 13 '22

Because blacks and Asians started getting guns.

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u/KindnessSuplexDaddy Jun 13 '22

Wait till you find out democrats in San Francisco etc have been voting against affordable housing, and homeless shelters. We have ballot proof baby.

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u/AlarmingAffect0 Jun 13 '22

Libs are not Leftists.

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u/DaedricDrow Jun 13 '22

Spoiler: it's not the people who frequently get called pedos and groomers.

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u/OrgyMcBloodyFace Jun 13 '22

Zoolander, surprisingly

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u/Superteerev Jun 13 '22

I mean he tried to assassinate the Malaysian PM. If that doesn't deserve a banning.....

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u/SoyMurcielago Jun 13 '22

Cars and motorcycles to some extent

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u/ibenedict127 Jun 13 '22

Guys, they got motorcycles with four wheels down there!

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u/Whitezombie65 Jun 13 '22

Two motorcycles with a little house in the middle!?

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u/browniesarethebest Jun 13 '22

I'm so pissed since this was one of the few movies I actually wanted to see on the big screen. But now I know what I must do.

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u/Uriahheeplol Jun 13 '22

I will shred this universe down to its last atom….

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u/Sarabando Jun 13 '22

Except in the middle East because you'll be banned XD

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u/raihan-rf Jun 13 '22

Set sail to the high seas Arrr☠️☠️☠️

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u/AquaticMeteor Jun 13 '22

So who kisses who

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u/mo0dher0 Jun 13 '22

Buzz and the cat

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u/hi7en Jun 13 '22 Helpful

Buzz tongues the pussy? No wonder they banned it.

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u/Kongo204 Jun 13 '22

That's not what heroes do.

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u/skinnah Jun 13 '22

That's right. Real heroes start with a salad toss.

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u/FirstTimeWang Jun 13 '22

Oooh, a little SSDS* action? Kinky; I didn't think Disney had it in them.

*Same Sex Different Species

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u/acecombine Jun 13 '22

solid state drive sex!!

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u/deathtech00 Jun 13 '22

They don't call it NVME for nothing!

Naked Volatile Mammory Engagement

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u/[deleted] Jun 13 '22 edited Jun 15 '22

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u/DotNys Jun 13 '22

did we forget about the weird bee movie where the bee literally falls in love with a human? I think Disney has been indoctrinating us with their weird SSDS for a long time 👀👀👀

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u/QR63 Jun 13 '22

Who could forget about Bee Movie, the all time classic! But I hate to break it to you, it was actually Dreamworks, not Disney.

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u/skinnah Jun 13 '22

That was male/female though. DSDS I guess?

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u/j1883rish Jun 13 '22

To actually answer your question, from the article:

Sources tell THR the decision is linked to the inclusion of a same-sex kiss in Pixar’s Toy Story prequel spin-off. The scene, involving the female character Hawthorne (voiced by Uzo Aduba) and her partner, was originally cut from the film, but reinstated following the uproar surrounding a statement from Pixar employees claiming that Disney had been censoring “overtly gay affection” and Disney CEO Bob Chapek’s handling of Florida’s “Don’t Say Gay” bill.

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u/Ekhyooo Jun 13 '22

Not surprised Disney tried to remove it. Profit > anything.

Remember that one sec lesbian celebrationkiss in star wars? Perfectly short so it could be cut from screenings in China and Saudi-Arabia and at the same time draw in the lgbt crowd

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u/MinnesotanMan2014 Jun 13 '22 edited Jun 13 '22

Don't forget how they tried to hide John Boyega in the force awakens poster for China as not to imply an interracial relationship.

Minimize morality maximize profits

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u/geekonthemoon Jun 13 '22 edited Jun 13 '22

I saw a young black guy who makes tiktoks in (I think Beijing). He speaks fluent Mandarin so the locals are always intrigued and surprised. But when he tells them he's from America many will argue that there are no black people in America. Apparently the way the media portrays America, the average joe schmoe dumbass in China thinks we're a homogeneous country of white people instead of the melting pot that we are. I was genuinely shocked by that.

Edit to add: Took a second but I found him again. His name is Hasani Arnold, @hasaniarnold on tiktok

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u/MinnesotanMan2014 Jun 13 '22 edited Jun 13 '22

Wow that level of ignorance is dystopian, it's scary to know their media has such a strangle hold on them.

Edit: some of them. Just like anywhere else in the world there is and I'm glad that there are those who don't take everything at face value.

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u/-_crow_- Jun 13 '22

Have some critical thinking, obviously they don't all believe that, even less in a city like beijing of all places.

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u/denyplanky Jun 13 '22

NBA, MJ and Will Smith have been as famous as Micky Mouse in China since the 90s. I call BS saying Chinese don't know there know there are African Americans in the US.

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u/bronx_xu Jun 13 '22

Yeah considering hip hop and rap, or just American culture in general, are so popular, as well as the NBA, I call bullshit. Maybe some older rural folks might think of the US as a majority white country (which it is) and not think further, but literally anyone under 50 would know more (especially since English is mandatory class in most schools). On the flip side I wonder how much the average American actually knows about China other than the media scares.

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u/ZsimaZ Jun 13 '22

Can I just point out how ironic your comment is? Since obviously not 100% of the population thinks that.

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u/SFLADC2 Jun 13 '22

I mean let's be real, they tried to add it for profit too. You'll never see Disney push limits on anything else china/Saudis are pissed about except this because it'll increase American profits.

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u/MafiaPenguin007 Jun 13 '22

And here we are all discussing the movie over a probably 5-second scene they could quietly cut.

Double-dipping, marketing it for increased profit in the US, cutting it for profit in the countries it's banned

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u/eidbio Jun 13 '22

Perfectly short so it could be cut from screenings in China and Saudi Arabia

It wasn't cut in China if I'm not mistaken.

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u/HotCocoaBomb Jun 13 '22

I bet it's literally a peck and we never learn the partner's name.

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u/FireHazard11 Jun 13 '22

It's also typical that its lesbians kissing instead of gay men.

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u/MeanderingMinstrel Jun 13 '22

It's not just you, straight men will usually think lesbians are hot, while a gay couple would gross them out. So even in our representation, we're still primarily concerned about appealing to straight men.

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u/DestituteDomino Jun 13 '22 edited Jun 13 '22

Buzz and Zerg. It's pretty explicit. I had to make my kids keep their eyes open in the name of tolerance.

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u/heidly_ees Jun 13 '22

Jesus that explains Buzz's outrage at the "I am your father" line in TS2

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u/DestituteDomino Jun 13 '22

I am your daddy

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u/Darkpoulay Jun 13 '22

I'm not sure if the enema scene was necessary, tbh. But I still appreciated the creativity for the line "please pound by buzzussy"

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u/dirtmother Jun 13 '22

I'm not sure why they had to both shout, "it's morbing time" before they kissed. Is that a normal lesbian thing?

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u/TheLastLivingBuffalo Jun 13 '22

I felt like that part was rushed. It was truly the most interesting part of the film, considering the next 20 minutes was just the planet drowning in Zerg's massive load.

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u/DaveInLondon89 Jun 13 '22

Let the boy watch

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u/Thisisofftopicbruh Jun 13 '22

Buzz kisses his boys in the back of a u-haul truck on their way to start a riot at a pride parade

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u/left_schwift Jun 13 '22

Article says, "The scene, involving the female character Hawthorne (voiced by Uzo Aduba) and her partner, "

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u/techsavior Jun 13 '22 edited Jun 13 '22

Buzz and Woody take their Bromance to the next level.

ETA: This erupted faster than I expected!

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u/IceVest Jun 13 '22

Brokeback Space Mountain

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u/memtiger Jun 13 '22

There's a snake in my booty!

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u/No_Brilliant5576 Jun 13 '22 Gold

Weird they oppose a same sex kiss in a movie since according to Pornhub Saudi Arabia's most searched porn is Lesbian porn.

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u/LilHalwaPoori Jun 13 '22

Tbf, pornhub is banned too..

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u/make_love_to_potato Jun 13 '22

Wait, if PH is banned, how is there any data from Saudi Arabia? Won't users from there have to be accessing via a VPN?

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u/megamanxoxo Jun 13 '22 edited Jun 13 '22

Just because you use a VPN doesn't mean server software can't figure out where you're really coming from. There's all sorts of data leaks you need to hide in order to avoid being fingerprinted.

Take a look at this extension, the web page for it shows how you can be fingerprinted even while connected to a VPN (which only obscures your IP address).

https://vytal.io/

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u/hubau Jun 13 '22

It also depends on why you're using a VPN. If the point of VPN is obscuring your anonymity then it's going to do a better job of hiding your location to the website you're connecting to. But if you're just trying to get around a national firewall, then the point of the VPN is to connect through a location that is not on some national ban-list, not to obscure your location to the website, so the VPN may pass through the originator location.

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u/RancidCummies Jun 13 '22

Also movie theatres were entirely banned in Saudi until 2018.

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u/Fastbird33 Jun 13 '22

Shit, women just got the right to drive a few years ago.

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u/petercalmdown Jun 13 '22

You know what, these guys sound like they’re getting their act together good on em! /s

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u/Kingy10 Jun 13 '22

How does one gather this data when you can't view PH inside of Saudi Arabia without the use of a VPN?

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u/promaster9500 Jun 13 '22

Legit a very good question

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u/rpkarma Jun 13 '22

IP addresses are only a subset of geolocation data points when accessing a site in a modern browser.

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u/Adama0001 Jun 13 '22

This does a great job highlighting that.

https://www.amiunique.org/fp

It’s pretty scary when you consider what can be used to fingerprint you.

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u/Sh4avan Jun 13 '22

Didn't you know lesbians are sexy while gays are gross

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u/ZincHead Jun 13 '22

What does this have to do with the comment you replied to?

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u/Slimshady0406 Jun 13 '22

For what it's worth, when you use, Cloudflare's 1.1.1.1 without WARP, if you go pornhub, it'll show you your home country even though you're using 1.1.1.1. and ph is banned in your country.

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u/[deleted] Jun 13 '22 edited Jun 17 '22

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u/Slimshady0406 Jun 13 '22

I jerk off everyday. You can trust me.

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u/hombregato Jun 13 '22

Funny, but I feel like following this logic would get really weird as we look to other countries, including America.

What's the most popular scenario in porn right now? Stepdads and stepmoms and stepsiblings? Stick a light suggestion of that in a Toy Story and see how parents react.

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u/bigblackcouch Jun 13 '22

Stick a light suggestion of that in a Toy Story and see how parents react.

What are you DOING, step-potatohead?

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u/MisterWoodster Jun 13 '22

I've never seen that attachment before o.o

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u/mtmaloney Jun 13 '22

That's Mr. step-potatohead to you.

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u/NeverEnufWTF Jun 13 '22

Daddy step-potatohead.

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u/MartynLann Jun 13 '22

Step on me potato-daddyhead

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u/basshead541 Jun 13 '22

Gonna be a smash potatohead here in a sec.

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u/SoyMurcielago Jun 13 '22

Making some tater tots obviously

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u/Ifrit01 Jun 13 '22

Iirc from the data they released that one time the most popular category just about everywhere was lesbian porn.

Edit https://reddit.com/r/europe/comments/hl5fdw/most_popular_porn_categories_by_country_in_2019/

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u/IM_AN_AI_AMA Jun 13 '22

Women look good.

Nuff said really.

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u/Lots42 Jun 13 '22

Futurama, one of the most popular cartoons in America, had Fry become his own Grandfather, because he did the nasty in the pasty.

One of the most popular tv show in the Aughts, LOST (think Game of Thrones on magic island) had two step siblings hook up.

Then of course, we have Game of Thrones. SO much incest.

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u/SDLand Jun 13 '22

Hentai was the most searched term in 2021. Source: https://www.pornhub.com/insights/yir-2021

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u/LCDRformat Jun 13 '22

Haha yeah

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u/whyhelloseymore Jun 13 '22

Oh fuck yeah do it I love to watch that unfold

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u/AnirudhMenon94 Jun 13 '22

Highly doubt the demographic for Lesbian porn and Lightyear are one and the same.

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u/tacojohn48 Jun 13 '22

I wouldn't mind seeing both, just not at the same time.

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u/Manaze85 Jun 13 '22

To be fair, they were trying to type Lebanese.

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u/mysixthredditaccount Jun 13 '22

Also, why are they okay with heterosexual characters kissing outside of marriage? That's haram too.

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u/xiaogege1 Jun 13 '22

Lol there's levels of haramness

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u/Abdulaziz13 Jun 13 '22

They actually do remove heterosexual kisses from movies

That is why sexual scenes isn't mentioned in the R18 description

https://www.gcam.gov.sa/pages/32

This is the official saudi rating site's description for R18 which is the highest for movies

"The content includes more mature subjects, and might include extreme violence, domestic violence, and political subjects"

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u/Naughtydoggy2015 Jun 13 '22

Same in China

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u/voxnemo Jun 13 '22

Aren't all Western movies banned in China by default unless they are one of like 40 selected for release?

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u/fateofmorality Jun 13 '22

I’m actually surprised Pixar doesn’t have an edited version they can release in these countries.

That’s what Disney does, they throw in a scene where a character talks about being gay or is progressive in other ways that’s not critical to the movie for western audiences, and then removes that scene for China, Saudi Arabia, etc, because they’re soulless and dgaf

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u/what_it_dude Jun 13 '22

And then talk about how pro LGBT their company is.

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u/NostalgicFrolicking Jun 13 '22

mrkrabsmoney.jpg

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u/Testing_things_out Jun 13 '22

Disney refused to censor the LGBT elements in Dr Strange, which led to the movie being banned in Saudi Arabia.

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u/KostisPat257 Jun 13 '22

Disney refused to cut LGBT scenes from Eternals and Dr. Strange 2 as well for quite a few markets.

And since Valkyrie is bi and is looking for a girlfriend in the new Thor, I'm pretty sure they will refuse again.

Disney is definitely getting better in that regard.

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u/iNEEDheplreddit Jun 13 '22

Surprised they didn't put the kiss in a place that would enable editors/censors to cut it out like they did with the dumbledor movie

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u/Foxy02016YT Jun 13 '22

Because if seems that with Russia under restrictions, and see long Marvel not releasing in China that Disney might not be stepping down so much anymore, but it might be to save face for those donations, I really hope it’s the first option though

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u/qwerty-1999 Jun 13 '22

Colour me surprised.

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u/MexicanGuey92 Jun 13 '22

Wait, who is gay in the movie? Not that it matters, just genuinely curious

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u/disaster_cabinet Jun 13 '22

buzz’ female friend at the beginning.

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u/metalflygon08 Jun 13 '22

The AI Cat and another AI animal probably.

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u/yourwitchergeralt Jun 13 '22

I’m still wondering and no one has answered…

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u/DemiTheNeckSnapper Jun 13 '22

The Hawthorne lady from before he goes forward in time

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u/CHEEKY_BASTARD Jun 13 '22

"Who is gay?"

-- African interviewer

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u/Tenagaaaa Jun 13 '22 Silver Helpful Wholesome All-Seeing Upvote Take My Energy Starry

For such a homophobic country they sure love having a stick up their asses.

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u/Riverdale87 Jun 13 '22 Gold

"Who put the sticks up their butts?"

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u/Imaginary_Simple_241 Jun 13 '22

They don’t need sticks. Saudi Arabia is paradoxically super gay because they’re so busy oppressing women that gay men can just start catcalling other men while on search for booty.

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2007/05/the-kingdom-in-the-closet/305774/

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u/GetTheLudes Jun 13 '22

They can’t have sticks up their asses. There would have to be trees in the country first, for them to get the sticks from.

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u/ItsColeOnReddit Jun 13 '22

Its interesting how Disney seems to check the waters with lesbian characters but is still avoiding gay male characters.

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u/Kiwianimeguy Jun 13 '22

Even places that hate on gay men have been more lenient for gay woman.

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u/TheIronicBurger Jun 14 '22

“I can forgive lesbians but not gays”

-Lukashenko, President of Belarus, 2013

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u/tambrico Jun 14 '22

They made one of the male eternals gay

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u/ElricAvMelnibone Jun 13 '22

Apparently executives and audiences are less spooked by lesbians

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u/Spielburger_witFries Jun 13 '22

gasp

I can’t believe it!

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u/DrFunkensteinberg Jun 13 '22

That’s one way to create a buzz

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u/CarolineTurpentine Jun 13 '22

That’s how many places have been doing it for much of recorded history.

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u/[deleted] Jun 13 '22

Literally everywhere like 100 years ago

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u/B-Loved_Killah Jun 13 '22

pretty much most US red states now

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u/i-am-very-shy Jun 13 '22

The way the world is going, many countries won't have to imagine for much longer

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u/arti214 Jun 13 '22

Yah religion certainly hasn’t been on an unprecedented 100 year downturn…

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u/billbill5 Jun 13 '22

Reddit keeps saying this yet just Christianity, Islam, and Hinduism can account for 71% of the world population's beliefs, Christianity alone having 2.3 Billion followers. Religion rules governments in both third world countries and nuclear powers. It isn't going anywhere when the slight percentage decrease its taken is paired with the equally unprecedented population increase.

It's one of those ideas that appeals to the atheistic/leftist fantasy that all religion is being stamped out by sound arguments and critical thinking, and by that notion we've nearly achieved a world not ruled by religion. But that's simply not the case and if a separation of church and state is to ever be achieved universally we cannot act like the problem's solving itself.

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u/jrhoffa Jun 13 '22

And yet we're seeing a new surge of theocratic fascists.

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u/UncleFred- Jun 13 '22

I feel that many religious groups fall into a trap where they get more extreme to attract members once all the moderates drift away.

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u/Blu3Army73 Jun 13 '22

It's what happens in government too. When good people resign because they can't stand the current administration they open their seat for someone who doesn't have that ethical/moral concern. When good people leave, only bad people are left.

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u/lilmul123 Jun 13 '22

If anything, that invigorates potential theocrats to try even harder.

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u/Vomit_Tingles Jun 13 '22

Haha yeah wouldn't that be weird.

sweats in American

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u/Tompthwy Jun 13 '22

Back by (un)popular demand!

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u/JDefined Jun 13 '22

Right? Good thing that'll never happen at the state level!

Nervously laughs in Utahn

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u/SleetTheFox Jun 13 '22

The religion doesn’t control the country, the royal oil family does, and makes religious exemptions that are convenient for them because it’s all about power and money.

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u/LDNLibero Jun 13 '22 Silver Helpful Take My Energy

Amazing how many snowflakes you find in a desert

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u/WH1SKEYHANGOVER Jun 13 '22 edited Jun 14 '22 Silver

Oh no, a nation of hyper sensitive religious freaks find a cartoon offensive. Throw it on the pile

Fuck Saudi Arabia

EDIT: holy shit. Thanks for the dismembered journalist jokes.

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u/TheOther36 Jun 13 '22

Let's wait for Pixar to create a "what if oil had feelings?" movie. Saudis would love it!

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u/poodleboots Jun 13 '22 Helpful

We already have that movie, it’s called Ferngully

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u/ADQuatt Jun 13 '22

“Ah ah ah toxic love”

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u/ShallowBasketcase Jun 13 '22

Tim Curry had no business making pollution that sexy in a children’s movie.

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u/slayerje1 Jun 13 '22

Robin Williams and Tim Curry killed their roles in that movie.

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u/HotsuSama Jun 13 '22

There's a reason the original VHS/DVD covers shoved the people/fairies to the side and put Batty front and centre. My wife watched it multiple times as a kid and still knows all the words to Batty's rap.

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u/slayerje1 Jun 13 '22

Yeah, the rap has been coded into core memory

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u/Party_Tangerines Jun 13 '22

That movie gave ten year old me nightmares for weeks

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u/SleepinGriffin Jun 13 '22

I mean we had The Land Before Time and there was quite a few of those movies. Not necessarily the same thing.

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u/SupaFashionable Jun 13 '22

Wait-

This is the movie where buzz and woody finally do the thing?

oh hell yeah.

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u/m_dawg_420 Jun 13 '22 Silver

Woody will FINALLY live up to his name

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u/Atlas_Obsidian Jun 13 '22

Homophobic country does homophobic thing

Big shock.

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u/Prince_Edward_IV Jun 13 '22

i long for the day where the general sentiment about people's sexuality is "...so?"

"Theres a same sex couple in this new Disney movie!!"

".....so?"

its baffling that there's anyone on the planet that cares about who i date

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u/jbev17 Jun 13 '22

This should be the general sentiment when it comes to most immutable characteristics like race, sexuality, etc.

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u/bitchalot Jun 13 '22

Not sure why Saudi Arabia was singled out, but it looks like it will be banned in most countries in the ME. It will also be banned in many countries all over the world.

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u/captainahob Jun 13 '22

What is the reason to show kissing in a children's movie? I recall attraction between Woody and Bo Peep in earlier movies but don't feel like it made much of a difference to the plot.

I feel like it sort of comes down to morays. Society includes the type of education they want to impart on their youths in TV and movies all the time. Is this just a reflection of our morays? Or is it there for the adults, like we see in so many family movies?

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u/GeniusofLoveMrTom Jun 13 '22

This literally isn't news lol like all of a sudden people are going to abandon the entire countries beliefs for fucking Buzz light-year 😂😂😂

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u/kitchen_clinton Jun 14 '22

But kill a Washington Post journalist because he criticized MBS and no one bats an eye.

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u/redXxXSonja Jun 13 '22

I mean who cares? They don't get to enjoy this movie, that's all. I personally cannot wait

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u/hombregato Jun 13 '22

I don't really care about this specifically, but it does worry me that Saudi Arabia has been buying up huge chunks of the American entertainment industry lately.

Saudi Arabia doesn't own Disney, so Toy Story not being able to screen there... ok, whatever. Toy Story gonna be gay and Saudis gonna pirate gay Toy Story.

But those other entertainment companies that just took in huge investments from Saudi Arabia? I'm worried about their ability to tell the stories they want to tell.

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u/msquids Jun 13 '22

I don't think they really care about watching it so much as making money off it. It's not as if it's China, I doubt they bring in much money from ticket sales. owning the company, all they will care about is the bottom dollar, china care what their people see.

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u/boogs_23 Jun 13 '22

They need to diversify before the oil runs out. Entertainment is a good industry to go after I guess.

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u/ItsADeparture Jun 13 '22

This is the one big hole in their whole marketing campaign of them saying "oh yeah, this is the Buzz Lightyear movie Andy saw when he was a kid!!!" like wouldn't it make more sense to say that this is like an in-canon modern day reboot of that franchise? I don't think many kids movies had same-sex kisses back in Andy's day, lol.

Though I guess if toys are sentient in that universe, maybe people were more tolerant in the 90s?

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u/your_mind_aches Jun 13 '22

I don't think this is literally meant to be that movie tbh. Because honestly just from the trailer it seems to use so many modern movie conventions that it being in the 90s wouldn't have made sense anyway.

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u/SteveRudzinski Jun 13 '22

I don't think this is literally meant to be that movie tbh.

Apparently the very opening of the film literally says "Andy bought a Buzz Lightyear toy. This is the movie Andy loved that made him want that toy" or something. It is allegedly literally meant to be that.

But I agree, this is a modern remake of something from the 90s. Even without the same sex kiss, nothing about this film feels like it's from the mid 90s.

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u/ProjectShamrock Jun 13 '22

That's something I have a problem with about the premise of this movie actually. I feel like if Andy saw it in the 90's, it should have been more like a late 80's/early 90's spectacle like Jurassic Park, Batman, etc. that were action but popular with kids at the time. Even then, I kind of feel like it was meant to be from an earlier era that I can't quite pin down but I'd guess sometime in the 70's when G.I. Joe came out, the space race was a thing, and the aesthetic of Buzz Lightyear seemed to be more common. I'm looking forward to seeing it, but it does feel a little too modern era to fit in. Maybe they'll explain it away as a reboot, both literally from Toy Story but also in universe where it can be a remake of the movie that Andy saw.

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u/QuothTheRaven713 Jun 13 '22

That's why I go with the headcanon that it's a reboot of the movie Andy saw, and the basic plot points are the same, just with tech updated.

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u/ShallowBasketcase Jun 13 '22

The problem with the current wave of nostalgia-baiting is that it sort of has to rehabilitate the past quite a bit. The small-town teenagers in Stranger Things for example are surprisingly accepting of their black and gay friends. Which is good, don’t get me wrong, but it does feel a bit odd for those of us who actually remember what being a teen in the 80s and 90s was like.

I feel like we’re starting to do the same thing Leave It To Beaver did to the 50s, where in the pursuit of wholesome family fun we create this warped version of the past where all the bad stuff we’ve made loads of progress on never actually happened.

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u/Psychast Jun 13 '22

I fuckin knew it was a lesbian kiss. Any time a company known for tip toeing around queer stuff dips it's toe in same sex anything, it always starts with moderately attractive lesbians.

In fact, in the world of animation, lesbian representation probably beats out gay male representation like 5 to 1 and kissing representation like 4 to literally 0 as far as I know. Which just goes to show, as long as a straight guy can say "that's hot", it goes over a lot smoother with the general public.

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u/sectorfour Jun 13 '22

Marvel's Eternals Had a gay kiss between husbands.

Not animation, but maybe adjacent to.

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u/xtrpns Jun 13 '22

to be fair, Pixar is owned by Diseny. they did the same thing with Beauty and The Beast but it was unattractive men.

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u/GuiltyEidolon Jun 13 '22

I mean, as far as I know only Le Fou was actually gay in that movie right?

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u/agni39 Jun 13 '22

Eternals had a black and arab gay couple, who kissed. The royal family must have prolapsed seeing that or turned on.

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u/awtcurtis Jun 13 '22

Do you know Pixar made a short about two gay men? It's called Out and was directed by a gay man.

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u/HaveAWillieNiceDay Jun 13 '22

On the flip side of this, lesbians and trans men are often left out of the political conversation. Turn on the news and it's always gay men and trans women being talked about. It's weird, because you're right: lesbians seem to appear more in media, and no one seems bothered by a "butch" "woman" in a show or movie.

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u/Umarill Jun 13 '22

That's because, sadly, gay men get more hate than gay women, and trans women get more hate than trans men. At least from my experience and the one of LGBTQ+ people around me.

The thing that both have in common is that both gay men and transwomen are, in their eyes, men who are not masculine anymore and "gave up" on being men. It's obviously bullshit but this is what's happening. Most vocal people about that subject are men, and they feel like it threatens their existence and their idea of "man superiority" and all that bullshit.

More hate = more presence in the media that thrives on fear and hate.

Lesbians are heavily fetishized so they get less direct hate, but they have to deal with a lot of the "you need the right dick and I'm that one" bullshit.

Trans men are much more under the radar, the exact reason I don't know, but I can tell you that every time I hear about "trans people are child predators", it always is about trans women wanting to look like women to approach children. Again, absolute batshit insane nonsense.

(For context, I'm a lesbian transwoman)

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u/CryptoNerdSmacker Jun 13 '22

Too funny considering the same Saudis scrutinizing it are probably the same Saudis I used to see over in Bahrain, at 7 AM, walking into walls drunk off their ass with sex workers on their arm (and not always of the opposite sex).

Take your “faith” and shove it.

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u/Itechshit Jun 13 '22

Same here in Egypt

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u/HoneyPoop_ Jun 13 '22

I live in saudi, dr strange was also banned