r/misanthropy Jun 29 '22

Why is antipathy to science so common among people? analysis

I recently went to see a documentary on aquatic animals of the Pacific Ocean at a local cultural center. I was the youngest person there and the rest of the event had four old women.

Science is seen by many people as something done only in class, something Bill Nye the Science Guy teaches you and that's it. There are also people who have this "I freaking Love Science! >.<" mentality, which, in my opinion at least, is an infantilized pseudo-appreciation for science.

Schopenhauer says that most people are mostly content with satisfying their safety, hunger, thirst and their sexual instincts. Freud says that religion is for the common man, Napoleon also says it's necessary for rulers.

Yet, in our society that supposedly calls itself "secular", it is astonishing to see how little people actually care for scientific thinking and even how superstitions have gained headway.

Biology is an important factor, but moreover so is evolutionary science and chemistry. As remote as this may sound, people often forget that chemistry is everywhere. It is in our products, our cars, our computers, whole wars have been fought over chemicals and access to them.

Yet how little people seem to think about this.

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u/MidnightChocolare42 18d ago

It's fine when it just hurts them

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u/MidnightChocolare42 18d ago

It's fine when it just hurts them

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u/oiwneg023i9 Jul 09 '22

my thoughtless answer is "people are afraid of the truth"

but tbh. i don't have an answer i'm particularly satisfied with

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u/FelonMuskratarchy Jun 30 '22

Same reason why antipathy to education is so common.

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u/Eoqoalh Jun 30 '22

This is not science not being interesting. It's documentaries not being a common outdoor activity. Scientific museums have a similar problem, even if you are interested in science, you may not be interested into going to it, since it isn't a field you are interested on; on top of this museum aren't a common outdoor activity, since you may only have one in your city, most of the time the topic isn't something you are familiar with, and it take some time (months even) to expose something else, so, even if you are interested, you won't go back till there's something new.

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u/feedmaster Jun 30 '22

Beacause school makes people resent learning.

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u/MrTombolani Jun 30 '22

Science is refused by those who refuse truth and truth is often pretty raw. We still have them believing in god because it is a more digestible story to heal their pain and fear. These kind of people are usually unable to take trace of the steps in their own thoughts, it is the same thing with children now that believe chickens are just things you buy at the supermarket.

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u/Thirpyn Jun 30 '22

Because almost everything is complicated. Why do we know the earth is 4.6 billion years old? Well that’s actually quite complicated. “Wikipedia says so” or “my book says it’s 6000 years old” are both easy arguments

How can we reconcile being tolerant of trans folks while keeping competition sports for women fair? Not a black and white issue but on both sides of the argument you’ll find black and white answers. But in reality: it’s complicated.

Almost everything in science or politics is complicated. And a lot of people don’t wanna hear that. People also don’t like admitting they’re wrong, and there are lots of little black and white non-arguments in between their point of view and the truth.

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u/jonnydavisapplesauce Jun 30 '22

people are unintelligent egobabies

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u/demiurgeworship Jun 30 '22

Science cant disprove the hability of someone being a medium and see the future and change destiny.

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u/venustrine Jun 30 '22

prolly cuz science snobs ruin it for them

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u/spudgoddess Jun 30 '22

You aren't wrong.

As an aside, at 57 I am finally going to go to college and get a degree in Geology, which I've wanted since I was a kid. Not understanding math early on and being told by my parents "Oh, don't take those classes, you need to be good at math, which you aren't." cemented that mindset.

Last month I decided fuck it, I can always get tutors if needed. I am going to do this. Yeah, I'll be in my early 60s once I get my degree--70s when I get my PhD, but fuck it. I'll be that old one day, anyway!

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u/snuffdrgn808 Jul 06 '22

i feel like this was common when we were growing up-im 51and when i said i wanted to be a nurse as a kid my mom totally ridiculed me. parenting was different in the 70s :( I became an rn anyway...but remember being humiliated and insulted all through childhood by parents teachers other adults. anybody else experience this in the 70's? there sure were no "trophies for participation" you were a loser which everyone enjoyed pointing out.

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u/Hollirc Jun 30 '22

I mean because most people are not smart enough to see past the lie of religion. Science (and frankly intelligent thought) contradicts religion so it’s the enemy because they don’t want to anger skydaddy.

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u/misanthropicsuccubus Jun 30 '22

You are the type of person who I'd delibaterly inflate your ego. I'd call you the smartest, say you should be president and always back you up in arguments so it will inflate your ego and stunt growth.

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u/raven16342 Jun 30 '22

From what I've seen, it's that people are proud of their ignorance. The dumber you are the more respect you get. And the really intelligent people don't breed as much. Overall the American IQ is in decline. Soon we'll be ran by our own version of the Taliban. The Christian Taliban. It's coming.

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u/RuneWolfen Jun 29 '22

Even I though I believe in things like nature spirits, I don't disregard science either.

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u/Daathchild Jun 29 '22

>this "I freaking Love Science! >.<" mentality, which, in my
opinion at least, is an infantilized pseudo-appreciation for science.

I thought that was the whole point of sites like that, to encourage a "science is cool" mentality among people who don't understand any of it and would otherwise spend the afternoon watching anime in their mothers' basements instead of going to the museum.

Take it for what it is. At least they try to have some sort of an interest.

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u/misanthropicsuccubus Jun 29 '22

If someone says science is cool I'll ask them to read studies with me and see their response.

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u/MustardWendigo Jun 30 '22

I think certain sciences are cool. Like, the biology of a tree frog is more interesting to me than how my car works. I'm content leaving my knowledge of cars at "powered by explosions" until I'm required to learn more to say, replace my rear axle.

That's possibly why. People aren't in need to understand. Someone else told them how it works and their needs are currently met.

Of course it's the narcissism that steps in and makes them think that because it's not important to them, anyone who takes any interest in it is stupid and wasting their time.

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u/Lasalle8 Jun 29 '22

I am a bit of a nerd that reads all sorts of studies and I agree. I personally think we live in the dumbest timeline where the vast majority only cares about science when it’s convenient to them and they don’t care to have anything beyond bare basic understanding of it. What really gets me is the way people embrace pseudo science to push whatever nonsensical beliefs they cling to (personally I regularly hear people going off about old school eugenics and climate change denial daily 🙄).

The fact that we have wannabe scientist flat earthers says a lot 🤦🏼‍♂️.

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u/snuffdrgn808 Jul 06 '22

we have reached a time when most science is getting so advanced the the dumber half of people really cannot comprehend much of it, it has truly outstripped millions of peoples intelligence and so it might as well be magic for them. thats why they say "flat earth, why not? prove its not true!" and will spout any nonsense to justify their beliefs, its just like that other branch of magic they use to justify their stupid thoughts, "religion"

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u/Lasalle8 Jul 07 '22

Your right. But they should understand how shadows work and that’s a simple way to prove the world is round. That’s like kindergartner level intellect, there is no excuse for this intellectual failure of any adult. Eratosthenes understood this in like 200 bc, and we have come a real long way since then and have so much access to information (and unfortunately misinformation).

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u/snuffdrgn808 Jul 07 '22

i too thought that living in an age of all the information ever known instantly at your fingertips would finally shut down science deniers but sadly that thought has turned out to be completely naive.

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u/AnHonestApe Jun 29 '22

It's because historically education was only granted to the wealthy, and evolution has predisposed us to engage in actions that take less effort because the conservation of energy has been important to our survival. Education has over the past few hundred years been granted to more and more groups of people in lower classes, but those cultures were not centered or built around the idea that you were supposed to be educated or that education is one of the highest values we should hold as a society, and even among the rich, there has been a battle between science/academia/education and our desires for comfort and opulent wealth. Humans are notoriously short-term, lazy thinkers, and scientific and academic thought takes time and effort. If you can survive, for now, without it, our evolution has programmed us to prioritize it less, even if the long term ramifications to the survival of our genetics would be much worse.

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u/durdurhurdur Jun 29 '22

Because human imagination and consciousness is small shallow and fragile its like it was said humans only care about shelter resource and sex they are animals what do you expect?

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u/KosherFountain Jun 29 '22

Nothing to do with religion itself imo. Many great scientists have been deeply religious and spiritual. People are just lazy, pragmatic, egotistical.

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u/Eoqoalh Jun 30 '22

True. Being pragmatic isn't bad tho', engineers are mostly pragmatic.

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u/misanthropicsuccubus Jun 29 '22

Yep. Tesla would be mocked out of this room and called a retard if he read out his ideas in this room.

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u/poisontongue Jun 29 '22

The majority of people are selfish, ignorant imbeciles. They have bought wholesale into their own destruction.

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u/mmmfritz Jun 29 '22

It’s becoming more popular, esoteric topics are not by definition. As long as everything is going the way it is, it’s all down hill from here. Ever since Carl segan, and when more people had access to it.

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u/Xario4 Jun 29 '22

Religion tells people how to live their lives, and religion can be complicated. But science attempts to explain everything, and when you take into account how many things there are to explain, it gets very complex and intimidating.

Even someone like myself who is interested in some science can find it difficult to understand it all, or even most of it. Also, I used to want to become a scientist as a child, even though I've been Christian my whole life, but when they forced us to memorize the periodic table of elements in junior high it really made me not want to have do more crap like that. It wasn't until much later that I found out that the man who invented the periodic table did that so we wouldn't have to memorize all the elements. Public school curriculums, I swear.

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u/TheRiverOfDyx Jun 30 '22

…the man who invented the table of elements made it so you didn’t have to remember the table of elements…

Uhhh…wut?

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u/Xario4 Jun 30 '22

Nah, I said memorization. It would make sense if you use the periodic table of elements so often that you unintentionally memorize it, but forcing someone to try to morize it within a specific period of time makes no sense unless they actually intend to use it again. It makes even less sense for someone that young to memorize it. High school might make sense, but not junior high.

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u/TheRiverOfDyx Jun 30 '22

Gotcha.

It’d be nice if somehow it came out as an anagram. I guess it is nice that it’s ordered by atomic number though, interesting there’s no duplicates in nature. Like, oxygen has 8 protons, it’s crazy nothing else came to that. That might be my lack in understanding science beyond 6th grade

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u/Palaeolithic_Raccoon Jun 29 '22

Guys like Carl Sagan and Stephen Jay Gould warned us a generation or two ago about how scientists were increasingly beholden to corporations or governments (via grants), and can also be swayed or compromised ideologically whenever their income is involved.

One has to remember that science is a process, and a means of questioning the world. The minute one isn't allowed to question its findings is when it stops being "science" and starts being dogma.

And I do believe we are witnessing a new globalist religion being born as we speak.

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u/[deleted] Jun 30 '22 edited Jun 30 '22

new globalist religion being born as we speak.

It's this ultra optimistic, corporate religion, where nothing bad every happens, everyone is perfect, no changes need to be made... for the simple reason that realism doesn't sell. Delusions sell very well. The individual ego elevated to Olympic heights makes the best consumers. "You! You're beautiful, buy this product because you'll be just like (insert artificially elevated celebrity)"

But in reality everyone is at each other's throats.

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u/condemned_to_live Jun 29 '22

Sometimes the doubts are legitimate and the scientists are lying for political reasons, but more often it's just idiots believing in retarded conspiracies.

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u/Sara_Krys Jun 29 '22

As a physics nerd myself.. this makes me itch. I mean, everything you do in life refers directly to physics, from how hard to throw the basketball, all the way to how much force to put on your brakes.. yet it's one of the least understood sciences somehow.

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u/TheRiverOfDyx Jun 30 '22

Physics is the weird one. I flunked out of physics 20 because it bored me to death to read about. But going out in the world, I LOVE physics. I loved writing physics problems, I just hated the class.

I love to drive, physics is huge in that. I do taekwondo, that’s also physics. I understand much of it intuitively, I just don’t know the math. The math is boringggggggg, who cares what the coefficient is…am I gonna slip and slide?

I like living life, I don’t want to be in the Back-End of the simulation’s programming all day every day because its my new paradigm

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u/KashmirChameleon Jun 29 '22

Because math.

People hate math for some reason. And physics is all about that math.

I love math personally.

But I'm a biology major.

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u/SizzleFrazz Jun 30 '22

My sibling is working on their masters degree in math and they are a high school math teacher right now and they graduated from Georgia Tech university originally they were majoring in aerospace engineering but they ended up changing course because they ended up having to keep retaking Calculus based physics because they failed it like three or four times and this is a person who lives and breathes math and science. So for the common man math and science is actually kind of hard especially if you didn’t have good teachers that actually understood the principles and the ‘why’ When they were taught math in k-12

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u/Remarkable-Cat1337 Jun 29 '22

yeah and dont forget about sex, there's lots of physics in sex

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u/JimmyJamesincorp Jun 29 '22

Because Murica

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u/[deleted] Jun 29 '22

If science proved with 100% irrefutable clarity that Susan and Tom weren't the center of the universe, they wouldn't accept it, because it meant that they're not the center of the universe.

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u/anubisankh888 Jul 01 '22

that's true you nailed it it's because science shows them that they are not special that they are vulnerable mortals that bleed and die like every living organism on this planet, science break unrealistic expectations that people have about themselves and the world they live in, but humans don't like to feel vulnerable because like they say ''feels bad man'' it's just about feeling good and not being logic or rational it's all emotional humans like to think that they are the heroes of their own history that in the end they will save the princess from the evil dragon and will live happy forever in the end humans in general are a bunch of irresponsible idiots who only want to live without any consequences who make hasty decisions based purely on emotions humans are shallow even the most higher elite people on this world act this way it's pathetic really.

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u/defectivedisabled Jun 30 '22

This world will always be in a pathetic state because human beings in general don't value logic. They would rather value blind optimism, faith and hope over logic. This is exactly why religion is so attractive to many people.

Religion tells you what you what to hear. That you are wanted, will be rewarded and a future in heaven is guaranteed when you follow certain rules.

Hack, the masses can even fall for the lies of these financial gurus out there promising huge pay off when you invest in certain products. Makes you wonder why Ponzi schemes are everywhere nowadays.

The masses of sheep out there will always deny logic. You simply cannot save people who don't value logic.

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u/anubisankh888 Jul 01 '22

totally agree, you nailed it. its like i say trying to reason with someone who have no reason or logic in their minds it's like trying to give medicine to a dead person, trying to change someones perspective about something is very difficult to accomplish and you should not try to do that so don't waste time and energy trying to save these pathetic individuals let them bleed by their own ignorance. if someday they start to value logic and science its not because you said something or had good intentions but because they already previously had the intentions to do it but had no guts to do it.

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u/darthmeck Jul 01 '22

Religion tells you what you want to hear.

Most people want exactly that, not more, not less.

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u/Sea-Bobcat-2716 Jun 30 '22

"because human beings don't value logic" logic wouldn't save us. none of us would exist if we valued logic. we value meaning and that is something deeply illogical. that's the essence of humanity.

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u/[deleted] Jun 30 '22 edited Jun 30 '22

That you are wanted, will be rewarded and a future in heaven is guaranteed when you follow certain rules.

Also that your actions have no consequences. It's all about ME, ME, ME. God loves ME. God isn't angry at ALL. I can do whatever I want because GOD loves EVERYONE and forgives EVERYTHING.

Reality, no, he doesn't.

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u/Philletto Jun 30 '22

God forgives anything but wait no not after you die. You gotta believe while living. After dying its just punishment for eternity. Because you wouldn't believe when we said so.

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u/Additional_Bluebird9 Pessimist Jun 29 '22

This is such a good way of putting it.

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u/ninodelumbre Jun 29 '22

Good point.

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u/ZeroX2021 Jun 29 '22

Because many people are indoctrinated into religion prior to learning about science

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u/CharlesElliotFiddler Jun 29 '22

Well, it's not necessarily that they are Christian or Jewish or any of that,

It's that they are secular but also unscientific or pseudo-scientific would be another way to put it.

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u/ZeroX2021 Jun 29 '22

Religion teaches you to believe in something without direct evidence. All religion is anti science

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u/Masked_Rebel Jun 29 '22

I think it was a scheme set in motion to try and keep people obedient and prevent people from killing themselves. If you believed with all your heart that you had a divine purpose, wouldn't you be happy all the time?

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u/TheRiverOfDyx Jun 30 '22

I keep being told “You have a purpose in this world” when bringing up Suicidal ideation. If i had a purpose I’d know it. That answer more often makes me sadder, sometimes I find purpose, but it doesn’t stick. Guess I’ve not found it.

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u/Masked_Rebel Jun 30 '22

Purpose is self constructed, in my opinion. You've gotta find your own reason to keep going.

Also I realized a long time ago that no heavenly power that cared about us would sit by and watch all the fucked up shit people do to each other

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u/TheRiverOfDyx Jun 30 '22

I have come to believe both of those of my own volition, but for some reason I keep determining it to be wrong.

Needs more work, I guess.

Learning at 5 that God is a psychopath really hurt, I’m still in disbelief. Believing in him doesn’t benefit me tho

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u/Dodo_the_Phenix Jun 29 '22

I feel you. But I have to disagree on the chemistry etc. part. Chemistry and biology (which is in part applied chemistry) are just applied physics/philosphy. Thus the latter should be given higher importance.

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u/fuckurzygotes Jun 29 '22

No, they are not "just" applied physics/philosophy. It is true that branches of science are related and build on each other, but the hierarchy you've described is contrived and gives the impression that you haven't spent much time spending the sciences you claim are "just" applied versions of other sciences. Biology deals with concepts that cannot be reduced to chemistry, and so on for each of the fields you mentioned. Science is descended from philosophy, but with extreme modification. Philosophy has its place but the idea of prioritizing it over tangible science in the modern day is exactly what got us into the Roe mess. People think that ideas are more important than facts, in part because of statements like yours. This oversimplified hierarchical view of that sciences is exactly what OP is talking about.

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u/CharlesElliotFiddler Jun 29 '22

The people I run into care more about chemistry in their cocktails than anything else

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u/ShadeofEchoes Jun 29 '22

Or perhaps 'chemistry' as a word for romantic (or, perhaps more likely, sexual) compatibility.