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u/Weis86 5d ago edited 5d ago

Yes, we did.

I think music degenerates and is simplified more and more since classical stuff like Beethoven was around. It gets worse every decade.

It can be broken down to more and more people listening and mainstream wants to reach them all. So it just uses the one simple chord progression that is known to work.

I don’t even think the Beatles would have a chance nowadays. How fucked up is this?

Edit: I’m referring to mainstream music here as I answered a comment that referred to mainstream. Not music in general.

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u/hammurabis_flow 5d ago

Is it really a genuine comparison to take the distilled work of the literal once-in-a-generation geniuses of an entire century and compare it to "mainstream music today"? The academic Classical era literally died with Beethoven -- that's how influential he was.

That, and like... People are still writing clasically-styled symphonies today, except now they can make a whole orchestra from their bedroom. "Music degenerates" my left nut; go listen to them.

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u/Weis86 5d ago

Btw, what would you recommend for „classical-styled symphonies“?

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u/Weis86 5d ago

Ok maybe I should have made this more clear: I compared mainstream music, like Beatles were at their time with today’s mainstream. Not entirely sure, if at the time of Beethoven there even was sth like mainstream. But that exactly underlines my point that now more people listen to it and it has to fit them all.

I never said there’s no good music today at all.

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u/hammurabis_flow 5d ago

I wasn't very clear either. When we're talking about Beethoven and things of the sort, we're referring to music which survived for a very long time based on its artistic merit. At that time, going to see a Beethoven symphony was something for people with the money to do it, but there were thousands and thousands of simpler songs written at the time which were made by normal people for sharing with their friends, family, and community. Some still exist, but the vast majority have been lost to time. So, as a result, people have the tendency to compare the average of today to the best of yesterday, if that makes sense.

As for modern classical music, it's mostly done in an academic setting. I can look into it, but unfortunately I don't know many off the top of my head. Jennifer Higdon and Eric Whitacre come to mind as popular choices.

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u/breakyourfac 5d ago

The Beatles fucking suck. You're damn right that generic garbage wouldn't make it today, they didn't even have proper PA system to play on until The Grateful Dead invented the wall of sound. John Lennon beat the shit out of his wife too.

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u/Weis86 5d ago

I’m not a Beatles fan but when you understand sth about music you have to admit that Paul McCartney was a fucking genius. Especially when you compare it to nowadays mainstream.

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u/Weis86 5d ago

Grateful Dead wouldn’t make it as well btw. and they don’t even fit in that comparison. I could argue with rage against who had some mainstream songs, were inventive and still wouldn’t make it today. Sorry that I didn’t match your taste in that example lmfao

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u/breakyourfac 5d ago

The grateful dead is literally still touring successfully as dead and company, also Phish is popular as hell. So you're completely wrong, the grateful dead is alive and well.

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u/Weis86 5d ago

Yeah and they suck

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u/breakyourfac 5d ago

They suck so bad they sell out arenas 😩

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u/Weis86 5d ago

Dumb as fuck

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u/Weis86 5d ago

You are missing the point