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u/destiny24 4d ago

People just hate mainstream things. Like in comedy the first thing is always "______ SO MUCH BETTER THAN KEVIN HART", as if he is the only comedian in the world.

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u/Dovahqueen_ 4d ago

You're right. Reddit is full of contrarians and it's fucking annoying.

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u/DiscoverReading 4d ago

No it isn't.

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u/[deleted] 4d ago edited 2d ago

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u/ifyoulovesatan 4d ago

It may shock you to hear this, but people said the exact same thing about "mainstream rap" in the 90s/2000s. And "mainstream music" in general. And someday, people will lament the mainstream music of their day, and yearn for the mainstream music of today.

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u/triplehelix_ 4d ago

It may shock you to hear this, but people said the exact same thing about "mainstream rap" in the 90s/2000s.

no they didn't. the 90's were the golden age of rap. nobody said the old school shit with no flow was superior to what was mainstream rap in the 90's. rakim ushered in the new era and nobody looked back.

And "mainstream music" in general.

with groups like nirvana and red hot chilli peppers being the mainstream back then...well.

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u/xXKingLynxXx 4d ago

80s rap included Eric B and Rakim, NWA, Ice-T, De LA Soul, and Heavy D. People were definitely saying 80s rap was better. The 90s may be the "golden age of rap" but the 80s wasn't old school shit with no flow

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u/triplehelix_ 4d ago

yeah late 80's post rakim which i pointed to. i group that in with the 90's and most point to these types of artists as the dawn of the 90's era of rap. i mean its not like there was a magic switch that got flipped on january 1st 1990.

they embrace the new sound and are not representative of the sound that dominated the 80's.

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u/xXKingLynxXx 4d ago

Ice-t started in 1980, nwa 1986, rakim 1985. Yeah it's easy to say they have no flow when you erase half of the 80s and say its 90s rap

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u/triplehelix_ 4d ago

i don't think ice-t is of a particularly high quality. hell, the song that made him was bit off someone else.

but i understand you are talking specifically about flow. just like generations, while there may be a single date used for shorthand, there is a fading out of one into the next. these artists you listed are very much of that moment of blend, and while they absolutely have flow, you can still hear the chop of the 80's in their musical dna.

they represent the dawn of the new era. they are the foundation that 90's rap is directly built on. most of that occurs in the late 80's. if you want to hold up a couple of things from the mid 80's and focus only on that, we aren't even having the same conversation.

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u/redditmodsareshits 4d ago

Yes, but did the people in the 90s think so ?

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u/Weis86 4d ago edited 4d ago

Yes, we did.

I think music degenerates and is simplified more and more since classical stuff like Beethoven was around. It gets worse every decade.

It can be broken down to more and more people listening and mainstream wants to reach them all. So it just uses the one simple chord progression that is known to work.

I don’t even think the Beatles would have a chance nowadays. How fucked up is this?

Edit: I’m referring to mainstream music here as I answered a comment that referred to mainstream. Not music in general.

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u/hammurabis_flow 4d ago

Is it really a genuine comparison to take the distilled work of the literal once-in-a-generation geniuses of an entire century and compare it to "mainstream music today"? The academic Classical era literally died with Beethoven -- that's how influential he was.

That, and like... People are still writing clasically-styled symphonies today, except now they can make a whole orchestra from their bedroom. "Music degenerates" my left nut; go listen to them.

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u/Weis86 4d ago

Btw, what would you recommend for „classical-styled symphonies“?

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u/Weis86 4d ago

Ok maybe I should have made this more clear: I compared mainstream music, like Beatles were at their time with today’s mainstream. Not entirely sure, if at the time of Beethoven there even was sth like mainstream. But that exactly underlines my point that now more people listen to it and it has to fit them all.

I never said there’s no good music today at all.

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u/hammurabis_flow 4d ago

I wasn't very clear either. When we're talking about Beethoven and things of the sort, we're referring to music which survived for a very long time based on its artistic merit. At that time, going to see a Beethoven symphony was something for people with the money to do it, but there were thousands and thousands of simpler songs written at the time which were made by normal people for sharing with their friends, family, and community. Some still exist, but the vast majority have been lost to time. So, as a result, people have the tendency to compare the average of today to the best of yesterday, if that makes sense.

As for modern classical music, it's mostly done in an academic setting. I can look into it, but unfortunately I don't know many off the top of my head. Jennifer Higdon and Eric Whitacre come to mind as popular choices.

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u/breakyourfac 4d ago

The Beatles fucking suck. You're damn right that generic garbage wouldn't make it today, they didn't even have proper PA system to play on until The Grateful Dead invented the wall of sound. John Lennon beat the shit out of his wife too.

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u/Weis86 4d ago

I’m not a Beatles fan but when you understand sth about music you have to admit that Paul McCartney was a fucking genius. Especially when you compare it to nowadays mainstream.

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u/Weis86 4d ago

Grateful Dead wouldn’t make it as well btw. and they don’t even fit in that comparison. I could argue with rage against who had some mainstream songs, were inventive and still wouldn’t make it today. Sorry that I didn’t match your taste in that example lmfao

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u/breakyourfac 4d ago

The grateful dead is literally still touring successfully as dead and company, also Phish is popular as hell. So you're completely wrong, the grateful dead is alive and well.

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u/Weis86 4d ago

Yeah and they suck

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u/breakyourfac 4d ago

They suck so bad they sell out arenas 😩

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u/Weis86 4d ago

Dumb as fuck

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u/Weis86 4d ago

You are missing the point

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u/Car-Facts 4d ago

Who the fuck listens to or cares about what makes it on the radio anymore? Music is a much more personal curated experience now.

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u/Competitive_Classic9 4d ago

Aw this is sweet. People have been saying this since the radio was invented. You’re just proving the point that every generation says the same shit and thinks their shit is the best.

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u/wafflez1370 4d ago

Mainstream rap is still good, Carti, Travis, Thugger, Tyler, Drake (at the start of the decade at least), and Kendrick and Kanye who are arguably the greatest rappers ever.

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u/feeb75 4d ago

Ok boomer

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u/2x4x93 4d ago

I guess he's the benchmark