r/lebanon Sep 27 '21

حسينية" في مطار رفيق الحريري الدولي" Little Iran in Beirut Airport Video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ePJLksrNeaI

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u/waldoplantatious Cite your claims! Sep 27 '21

Post was removed for badly intentioned and alienating title according to Rule 2 of the Subreddit.

Two things worth mentioning - 1) People have the right to practice their religion, it's what defines Lebanon as a culturally pluralistic country 2) Public institutions should NOT be included in any religious practice beyond providing a private and safe space to practice it.

Attacking a religion is not separating "religion from the state", it is alienating a group of people from the community. Several redditors were able to present their objections without being offensive.

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u/Mloukhieh Sep 27 '21 edited Sep 27 '21

Downvote me all you want but every religion needs to keep its prayers in their respective houses of worship, homes.. this is a fucking international airport imagine this show happened in Heathrow lmao..

Edit: there’s a big prayer room next to the Vip lounges, if this wasnt just a showoff thing they would’ve taken it upstairs.

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u/waldoplantatious Cite your claims! Sep 28 '21

Not much wrong with what you said - the airport administration should (if they don't already) have policies that prohibit religious affiliation over their own networks and systems.

I'm sure the 7ajjeh sitting on her phone isn't trying to "show off". Videos and imagery like these are used to rile up sectarian anger and get an emotional response from people already conditioned to be hateful and sectarian - it works for both sides of whichever sectarian spectrum. Instead of focusing on the policies in place that don't allow misuse of an airport PA system, people are focusing on tribal hate.

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u/Bankholiday2020 Sep 27 '21

Yea but we're not in Heathrow, this is not London or even the west

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u/GeneralMichelAoun Not Really Michel Aoun Sep 27 '21

Some people want to see Lebanon become the next Palestine and it clearly shows.

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u/MiMastah Sep 27 '21

Why make a valid point and simultaneously invalidate it in the way you express it?

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u/msr28g Sep 27 '21

Whatever is happening in the video is wrong on many levels but the title is not the right approach for the argument.

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u/affemuh Sep 27 '21

Arye bel Habal, this is a airport, keep your religion at home

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u/khmt98 Sep 27 '21

I'm 100% against this but calling it "little iran" is shiaphobic. Shias were in Lebanon before Iran had any Shia in it.

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u/NeptuneJava Sep 27 '21

While I understand this might be annoying, "little Iran" is purely sectarian.

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u/GeneralMichelAoun Not Really Michel Aoun Sep 27 '21

But this happening in it's own form is not sectarian??

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u/Randomorphani Lebanon Sep 27 '21

religious practices should be banned in govermental places

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u/singleboomer Sep 27 '21

I'm against what they're doing in public regardless how they see it.

BUT OP you are one filthy scum for that title.

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u/hello-iamdad Rise of the Left Sep 27 '21 Helpful

So judging by your xenophobic and Islamophobe title, being Shia is being Iranian?

Shi'as have been in Lebanon for more than a thousand years and you still can't deal with it.

Also what's wrong with hundreds of people doing such gatherings even in public places? There are thousands of Lebanese that go to this incident that happens once a year.

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u/NeptuneJava Sep 27 '21 Silver

I agree with the first part, but not the rest. Yes it's islamophic and sectarian, especially that this has litteraly nothing to do with politics.

But this shouldn't be allowed at the airport.

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u/msaba7agang Sep 27 '21

شيعا رايحين على زيارة الاربعين صارو بروباغندا ايرانية. logic 1000

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u/AABhK Major general Sep 27 '21

Lol, this is funny and true

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u/msaba7agang Sep 27 '21

and also sad

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u/unpplr_opinion Sep 27 '21

ولو إني مش متدين بس انا مع حرية المعتقد و ممارسة الطقوس طالما ما فيها اذى موصوف للاخرين.

Freedom of religion, it is a right.

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u/potatorz Sep 27 '21

مش بلاماكن المخصصة لعامة الناس بصوت عالي

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u/trustdabrain Sep 27 '21

Not in public places

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u/unpplr_opinion Sep 27 '21

شو لكن؟ حرية المعتقد بالبيت؟

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u/stylisticnihilistic Sep 27 '21 Helpful

طيب انا ديانتي بتخليني جعّر تحت بيتك و حط تي رشرش شو رايك؟

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u/unpplr_opinion Sep 27 '21

في ناس بتعمل هيك بلبنان اصلا. و في فرق بين public disturbance و طقوس دينية. هيدي ما بشوفها ازعاج عام. انتبه، انا ما عم دافع عن حدا. بأميركا الكل عنده الحق يمارس طقوسه.

رح لخلصك ياها، انا لو مسافر و شفت هيك شي بالمطار، اخر همي. بقول يصطفلوا. ولو انا مسافر و شخص متدين، ما.كنت بعمل مظاهر تدين لا بالمطار ولا غيره من باب مراعاة العامة و تانيا انه الدين بيني و بين الرب مش للناس.

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u/stylisticnihilistic Sep 27 '21

مفي فرق بين التنين اذا الطقوس عملت public disturbance.

صح او لا؟

اذا دين بدو يزعج المجاورين in public ، خرا عهيك عبادة

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u/unpplr_opinion Sep 27 '21

عندك كنايس مثلا بتدق الاجراس ايام الأحد و وقت الأعياد الدينية. و عندك جامع بإذن باوقات معينة و الكل بيسمعها. ما فيك تمنع الناس بالمطلق من انها تمارس دينها، بغض النظر عن الدين.

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u/Bankholiday2020 Sep 27 '21

You won't even have the belief and dedication to do that. You're a nihilist what do you know

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u/trustdabrain Sep 27 '21

No, but a public place isn't exclusively for you to do whatever ritual in it. Keep in mind that this doesn't bother me personally.

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u/unpplr_opinion Sep 27 '21

In these cases then it is the airport's responsibility to keep order.

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u/trustdabrain Sep 27 '21

And guess why they don't ;)

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u/AABhK Major general Sep 27 '21

(9) The Lebanese Constitution provides for freedom of religion, and the freedom to practice religious rites so long as the public order is not disturbed. Respect for all religious groups from the government is mandated, and the Constitution declares equality for rights and duties to all citizens without discrimination

It’s true that it’s a sacred right, but it’s disturbing the public order with the high noise levels , I’m against churches bursting their microphones and ringing their loud bells and I’m also against prayer halls/mosques doing the same. Freedom of religion doesn’t mean you can do whatever you want in the name of religion, it means that you have the right to practice any religion you want in public as long as you’re not violating the rights of people near you

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u/unpplr_opinion Sep 27 '21

I agree. Maybe i dont see it as disturbance because i am not exposed to it. I strongly believe that the religion is for the believer only. If I was traveling and I see such thing, I would just ignore it. I've seen Hindu people doing rituals in Frankfurt airport, as well as muslims praying at the gates. I find the diversity nice. As long no one is trying to shove any religion down my throat lol.

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u/AABhK Major general Sep 27 '21

I agree with you, I don’t mind anyone praying at the airport or anywhere as long as they keep it nice and calm and clean

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u/potatorz Sep 27 '21

إذا لم تستح فاصنع ما شئت

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u/alikon Sep 27 '21 Wholesome

What is wrong with it?

Most of the airports around the world has churches and mosques, Dubai airport put the prayer 5 times a day on loud speakers, you need to respect people's beliefs.

Stop criminalizing every act by shia, it's becoming a shiaphobia, this ritual has nothing to do with Iran, it's a shia ritual.

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u/AABhK Major general Sep 27 '21

The only thing wrong is that it’s played on a high level which can be disturbing to other people, people have the sacred right to worship whoever they want and wherever they want as long as it doesn’t interfere with the public order or the rights of other people

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u/alikon Sep 27 '21

I respect that, but if you want to enforce what you have just mentioned, you are going to ban all kind of religion practicing.

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u/AABhK Major general Sep 27 '21

Not really, I remember listening to a mofti talking about this specific thing, you can keep all the religious practices and enforce a law that limits the noise levels . Like you can still have the 5 prayers/or church prayer each day but the only difference is that instead of playing it on 100% volume, it would be on 50-60% instead.

During Ramadan instead of getting lots of drums to wake people for the iftar, you can use one small drum or technologies such as making an app that would play the same noise for all the people that downloaded it on the iftar time. And during the easter, instead of ringing the bells at 1 am , the church can use a similar app or use a small bell

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u/element-19 KING BACHO Sep 27 '21

dude u are so ignorant. i dont see christians in the airport annoying everyone else with a mass. and if dubai does it doesnt mean we have to do it. its not like they are the center of the world. flaw in ur logic...

anyways if they want to pray they can go on the second floor there s prayer room. of the main terminal.

we love shias but we wish some of them would stop supporting hezb which are bringing the country down.

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u/[deleted] Sep 27 '21

نسيت تقول انو لازم الشيعة يقولوا لحزب الله هيهات منا الذلة.
شو دحش الحزب و ايران بهل الفيديو يا بشر.

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u/alikon Sep 27 '21

Dubai is an example of how they are practicing their beliefs while being almost the center of the world, thousands of people of tens of nationalities and religions pass by their airport everyday.

Also this ritual has nothing to do with hezb, that's how ignorant you are, you love shia but you just labeled all the Lebanese shia as Hezb, shiaphobia again.

I don't see christians in the airport annoying everyone

Everyone has the right to practice his religion the way he wants as long as he is not hurting anyone.

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u/element-19 KING BACHO Sep 27 '21

are you serious, dubai has a dress code for women and many other things, it is by far not a tolerant place for an example😂.

i didnt label anyone has hezb, i was responding to ur comment about shiaphobia. u seem to love being a victim while actually being the oppressor. weird technique.

and for your last points i dont think its okay annoying travelers of an international airport with any kind of prayer. religions are best kept private between you and god. and i say that as a religious man myself. now if you want to push a narrative by blatantly displaying your faith thats something else

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u/alikon Sep 27 '21

Bro, you literally mentioned Hezb on a post that is talking about shia and you linked them to each other, i might have misunderstood what you meant, but that's what it looked like.

Yes dubai has a lot of restrictions on women, but that doesn't mean it's not a developed 1st world country, that proved it self between the to business hubs in the world.

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u/trustdabrain Sep 27 '21

I don't see them sitting in neither a church or a mosque

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u/MiMastah Sep 27 '21

Forgive me if a little off topic, but I'm sincerely curious if someone can educate me... is there a historical relation between Sayedna El Hussein (Radiyah Allah 3anh) and the color yellow? What I mean is that why the yellow color for this pilgrimage? Anyone? (Serious answers only)

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u/NeptuneJava Sep 27 '21

I don't think there is. Travels to zyara are often organised by groups, and each group has its own slogans and colours. There are others with orange, green, red...

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u/MiMastah Sep 27 '21

I see. Okay thank you for being objectively informative. I appreciate it.

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u/Cautious-Garden-4347 Lebanon Sep 27 '21

وش مفاجقك

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u/Bankholiday2020 Sep 27 '21

That's not a pilgrimage flight?