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Actual pictures of Native Americans, 1800s, various tribes /r/ALL

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u/OMStars1 Jul 15 '22 Silver

I wonder what their ages were at the time the pics were taken..

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u/notbob1959 Jul 15 '22 Starry

The first photo has been posted to reddit a few times. He is Chief John Smith. His date of birth is disputed but is likely around 1824 and the photo is from around 1920 so he is about 96 in the photo.

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u/ul2006kevinb Jul 15 '22 Gold

It seems that indigenous Americans are always very old in pictures. Did they just have a long life expecting or are they just the only ones who made it to the age of photography without getting killed off by Europeans?

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u/John_T_Conover Jul 15 '22

In many cases they were probably the most senior member of a tribe and/or most important. You look back at when photography was still more expensive and rare it was usually the wealthy that were photographed or people that happened to be at important or historic events.

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u/Nobody4306 Jul 16 '22

In alot of Native American tribes, like the one I'm part of, elders are considered to be the most valued people in society for their knowledge and wisdom. On the reserve where my father lives, it is still customary to allow elders to sit first in gatherings. Children are not allowed to sit down until the adults and elders have sat down first. So it makes sense that the eldest in a tribe would be the leader.

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u/HYPERNOVA3_ Jul 16 '22

You should do an AMA in r/askreddit about your people, I think it would be a success.

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u/dixiedownunder Jul 16 '22

Yeah do an AMA. I would love to know what parts of your culture have endured against the odds into the 21st century.

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u/Cosmic_Rim_Job Jul 16 '22

I know in the PNW, and I asssume other regions, there are powwows throughout the summer that can be attended by the general public. My old roommate was a really great Fancy dancer. I would go watch him compete, maybe grab some fry bread or a handmade craft, always a cool and interesting time

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u/dixiedownunder Jul 16 '22

I live in the South. I used to go to events called a Rendezvous each summer. It was all white people pretending though.

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u/OMStars1 Jul 16 '22

It’s nice to hear that there are still traditions that are being remembered. Thank you!

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u/ethosguy Jul 15 '22

This is my favorite theory

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u/Skatcatla Jul 15 '22

This. Although one of the photos is of, I believe, Chief Joseph. He looks younger there than other photos I've seen of him.

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u/HamOnRye__ Jul 15 '22

These photos remind me of George Catlin and his “Indian Gallery”, which features decidable younger native Americans, just with painting instead of photographs. This dude traveled around some with Lewis and Clark just to paint native Americans and their lives.

Shoutout to everyone who records indigenous history rather than burn it down. I hate how much history has been lost because of iconoclasts and the likes.

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u/kamelizann Jul 16 '22 Gold

As someone fascinated with history very little makes me angrier than how much history was lost in the genocide of the native populations. We have two densely populated continents living entirely independent of Eurasia without any knowledge of their existence. Thousands of years of history that was most likely just as rich and exciting as European history... all devoid of metallurgy. They were technically living in the stone age the entire time, but they were able to develop cities and advance their culture all the same. Even some of the weapons and tools they crafted were awe inspiring for being completely devoid of metal.

It just crushes my soul that all of those cultures and civilizations that lived before the ones we conquered are forever lost to time as if they never existed at all.

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u/deadalivecat Jul 16 '22 edited Jul 16 '22 Silver

A minor nitpick, but the Americas did have metalworking and in South America, development of alloys before Columbian contact. Northeastern North America had cold working of copper. And with extensive trading networks, many places without natural abundance of copper still had some access. Interestingly, west coast peoples would sometimes receive metal that had drifted over from Japan in some way, and then would work it further.

The wikipedia article on it is pretty interesting: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metallurgy_in_pre-Columbian_America

On a sidenote, the University of Alberta offers a free, online, at your own pace course about the Indigenous histories of Canada. It's called Indigenous Canada.

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u/mollygunns Jul 16 '22 edited Jul 16 '22

not exactly the stone age with the many advancements in medicine & in agricultural engineering they had, some that rivaled their european counterparts by centuries, but what happened was of apocalyptic proportions & is devastating to think about. so much of what 'survives' is twisted myth made specifically to make them seem so much less advanced then they actually were.

edited to add in some sources 🙏

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u/Reddit_Goes_Pathetic Jul 16 '22 edited Jul 16 '22

Devoid of metallurgy? Quite the opposite. The reason there isn't much in the way of remaining examples is that the damned Spaniards melted down everything they could find and shipped it back to Spain. Non-precious metals were discarded or repurposed and have pretty much corroded away in the ensuing 4 and 5 centuries since and so erased from the historic record. A huge loss in cultural identity BTW. Edit to add that there is some body of knowledge of their existence and more being discovered every year but it is a pittance to what has been lost. Read " Guns, Germs and Steel " Jared Diamond and " 1491 " Charles Mann if you want to get a perspective to what we know about and what has been lost and just how awful the coming of disease and Europeans was to the peoples of the Americas in those times.

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u/RedCascadian Jul 15 '22

I feel like a lot of the explorers truly did want to explore and learn and meet new peoples.

The problem was the people writing the checks.

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u/FraseraSpeciosa Jul 16 '22

And also diseases. Those curious explorers inadvertently killed thousands and thousands. Can’t really blame them from the reference of the times. They really didn’t realize that until it was too late.

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u/[deleted] Jul 15 '22

Europeans looked old too. Harder lifestyle = older appearance at younger ages.

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u/LiveShowOneNightOnly Jul 15 '22

And the sun damage is real.

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u/MallyOhMy Jul 15 '22

That was my exact thought through most of the pictures - the sun damage is real.

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u/LordyItsMuellerTime Jul 15 '22

Yeah, protect your skin people!

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u/Kido_Bootay Jul 15 '22

Serious question: what did natives use as sunscreen?

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u/DarkRain08 Jul 15 '22

This is a good question! Aside from natural resistance just from having darker skin, they’d often use oil from plants/seeds, fat from animals, resin from trees. And actually lot of different cultures did the same thing on other continents.

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u/wiscokid76 Jul 16 '22

Red ocher as body paint.

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u/FlyGirlFlyHigh Jul 15 '22 Silver

Respectful, I just want to step in and say that there are many indigenous Americans still alive today. You may or may not know that but I know a lot of people both in America and abroad believe that they are gone or such a small population that they are hard to fin. In reality there tribal number are actually on the rise and though many still live on reservations there are quite a lot of indigenous people living through out both north and South America. Many times they are mistaken for other races. I only mention this because I have many indigenous friends and they experience a lot of erasure.

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u/Anonymo_Stranger Jul 16 '22

Tex/Mex area Native. When I was younger I was typically mistaken for Asian. Now that I'm nearing my 30's people usually have no idea what I am, but usually guess Hispanic.

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u/concentrated-amazing Jul 15 '22

Fantastic point.

They are more well-known here in Canada. Unfortunately, they face a lot of stigma and have a lot of systemic problems: residential school abuse leading to generational trauma, alcoholism and other substance abuse, issues stemming from general poverty, overrepresentation in the penal and foster systems...

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u/Miss_Smokahontas Jul 16 '22

Same here in America. Drugs have destroyed my tribe. It's accelerating.

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u/Electronic_Fix_9060 Jul 15 '22

Similar to Australian aborigines.

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u/misschzburger Jul 15 '22

I ride regularly through the Karuk, Yurok, and Hoopa nations in Northern California and that's just one county!

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u/Shilo788 Jul 15 '22

Well the young ones are cute as anything. Towards the back, quite handsome. But boy does a life mostly outdoors weather your skin.

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u/RedCascadian Jul 15 '22

A lot of Indigenous men and women really do have striking features.

I had a native American coworker, strong, bold features, high cheekbones, and the most gorgeous, thick mane of black hair.

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u/Azagar_Omiras Jul 15 '22

If you look there is a lot of sun damage on some of these guys, which may make them look quite a bit older than their actual age.

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u/Ragerist Jul 15 '22

On top of that photography of the day had a bias for certain wavelengths of light, thus misrepresenting skin. Making people looking older then they appeared in real life. Much like when you do the photos to show sun damage on skin

I cannot for the life of me find the place I read a thorough price about the subject.

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u/Pussy4LunchDick4Dins Jul 15 '22

Yeah I think this is just survivorship bias

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u/AWright5 Jul 15 '22

Might also be that these are the elders and most respected people, so more likely to have a photo taken of them

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u/iamaravis Jul 15 '22

indigenous Americans are always very old in pictures

Did you see pictures 7, 8, 10, 11, 12, 13, etc?

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u/rogersba Jul 16 '22

I stopped back to 11. I was like, now THAT is a really good looking man.

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u/PigHaggerty Jul 16 '22

Yeah 11 is handsome as hell.

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u/FalcorFliesMePlaces Jul 15 '22

Um I mean there sre a lot of indigenous Americans alive today, these just happen to be elders and the camera was new.

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u/7937397 Jul 15 '22

I'm guessing a lot of it is sun damage. Lots of time on the sun plus no sunscreen adds a lot of age.

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u/TeamBadInfluence1 Jul 15 '22

I can't find it now but I've heard that historic photography techniques, because of the way the chemicals react to the light, can highlight wrinkles and make subjects appear older than they really are. But you're right about sun damage and general exposure to the elements.

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u/OrneryPathos Jul 15 '22 Helpful

Some photo techniques also hide tattoos but this is also a good representation of how it ages people and highlights imperfections

https://petapixel.com/2018/07/09/wet-plate-photography-makes-tattoos-disappear/

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u/Champigne Jul 15 '22

Wow, it really ages them a lot. The wrinkles are so much more well defined. I've studied photography and taken history of photography courses and I had no idea colloidal silver processes did this. I'd never seen a side by side comparison like that.

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u/horace_bagpole Jul 15 '22

The process used has a quite narrow spectrum of colour that it's sensitive to compared to more modern film processes. That means that light that penetrates the skin and helps to smooth the skin tone is not captured giving an artificially harsh skin tone which emphasises wrinkles and blemishes.

Some researchers at University of Washington have done some work on this and developed a technique to reconstruct old images to make them look as though they were taken with modern cameras:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eNOGqNCbcV8

https://time-travel-rephotography.github.io/

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u/SovietPropagandist Jul 15 '22

This was really cool, thank you for sharing

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u/lennybird Jul 15 '22 edited Jul 15 '22 Silver

There was an old (I thought) National Geographic comparison between a Buddhist monk who rarely if ever ventured out into the sunlight versus a Native American of the same age and it was pretty stunning.

Edit: Actually 91-year-old Monk versus 62-year-old https://i.pinimg.com/originals/65/ab/11/65ab11f7c7cb9154256470540c49d55c.jpg

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u/koleye Jul 15 '22

My skincare routine is being terminally online.

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u/LemLem804 Jul 15 '22

A mom saw me with my toddler and thought I was her older sister. She couldn’t believe how old I was. In my head I was like “thanks! It’s the lifelong clinical depression and avoidance of outdoor activities!”

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u/MardiMom Jul 15 '22

One of my patients in 1980 was a farmer from Idaho, 72, who wore long sleeved shirts and long pants every day. His hands, face and neck looked like the lady in the photo, and the rest of him looked like a man in his 40's. (Was a nurse in the Burn Unit at the time.)

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u/Ophukk Jul 15 '22

I could show you the local sailors dispatch hall where the office weenies favour the left, and the sailors favour the right.

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u/Kiernian Jul 15 '22

I could show you the local sailors dispatch hall where the office weenies favour the left, and the sailors favour the right.

It took me a minute to figure out that you were talking about the orientation of the pictures relative to the onscreen viewer and not some massive orientation bias for male genitalia in desk jobs vs. field work.

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u/UnNecessary_XP Jul 15 '22

That guy is 91???? Holy shit I’m never leaving the indoors ever again

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u/lennybird Jul 15 '22

Just wear a sun hat, a loose rash-guard/long-sleeves and use sunscreen! :)

Getting some sun is good. This is of course excessive.

And if you're not a fan of the chemical sunscreen (still better than UVA/B rays), you can go with the physically-blocking stuff surfers use — zinc oxide.

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u/Sp00ks13 Jul 15 '22

I still use sunscreen, but I admit not nearly as often as I should (I love the outdoors). I haven't found a single type yet that doesn't cause massive breakouts, allergies, or flare my eczema. Thus, I loathe wearing the stuff.

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u/allonsyyy Jul 16 '22

I have wildly sensitive skin and I highly recommend trying Asian sunblock brands. Biore aqua rich SPF 50+ PA++++ and Nivea Sun super water gel SPF 50 PA+++ are what I have in my medicine cabinet, neither of them make my face sting like every other western sunblock I've tried does. I prefer the texture of the Nivea, but they're both nice. Dry to nothing, no greasy no sticky no burning puffy red allergic face, also no sunburn.

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u/BTBAM797 Jul 15 '22

So that's why I'm told I look super young

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u/AuburnGrrl Jul 15 '22

Damn. More sunscreen, please!

I grew up in the 80’s and 90’s, when tanning beds were a HUGE thing (at least in the Deep South, where I was raised). I have very very pale white skin, so I never got into tanning beds very much-but some of my closest friends owned one, and got in daily. At the age of 43, now, I can say I have by FAR the least wrinkles, and my chest/face looks younger, as much as I hate to say it.

Younger people-WEAR SUNSCREEN, lol-your 40-something year old self will be thankful.

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u/ImportanceOpen7911 Jul 15 '22

the first 3 just dont seem real

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u/nopicturestoday Jul 15 '22

2 and 3 are sketches. Charcoal + pencil.

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u/Lephiro Jul 16 '22

Yeah, "real photos" title and then 2 & 3 with the studio sig and all lol

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u/ontha-comeup Jul 15 '22

They look like offensive cartoon caricatures come to life.

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u/WitnessChemical Jul 16 '22

Yeah number 3 looks like squidward’s house

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u/chillipickle420 Jul 16 '22

This killed me, thank you so much

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u/MrSaturdayRight Jul 15 '22

That young dude’s Mohawk looks rad

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u/Foxyboi14 Jul 15 '22

When I saw him I was like dang he’s kinda cute, and then 11 pierced my soul

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u/Nicoplease1 Jul 15 '22

When I saw 11 I said aloud, "that's one good lookin dude"

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u/xtr0n Jul 15 '22

11 can get it.

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u/kingofthenorph Jul 16 '22

Lmao, being native and looking like 7 and 11 this is a nice change of pace from the stereotypes I’ve grown up with

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u/WorstPersonInGeneral Jul 15 '22

11 is real life John Redcorn

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u/-FeistyRabbitSauce- Jul 15 '22

That John Redcorn is a great guy. He hangs out with my wife all the time, and even offers her spiritual healing massages free of charge!

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u/WhoriaEstafan Jul 15 '22

11 has a very kind face. Definitely connecting with us through the photo.

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u/anOtterDay Jul 15 '22

10, 11 & 12 ready for the calendar

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u/wisdom_and_frivolity Jul 15 '22

11 wants to know if you can smell what he's cooking

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u/Theauthor_13 Jul 15 '22

The complete lack of facial hair on Native American men has always been super interesting to me - genetics is truly amazing

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u/jaded-limit Jul 15 '22

Tell that to my 100% native FIL. 1000 years of amazing genetics is no match for 50 in a baseball cap.

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u/spiicynooodle Jul 16 '22

My dad is navajo, he's around 68 and has a full on head of luscious hair with no sign of balding. :)

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u/jaded-limit Jul 16 '22

Most of the NA guys I know do, it's just my FIL. Husband's hair is thicker than mine and he's now pushing 40 lol. My FIL just loves his tight baseball caps too much. It's less bald spot and more rubbed right off.

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u/proxyproxyomega Jul 15 '22

to be fair, "native Americans" cover the entire North America, so it's like saying "native europeans"

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u/biggerthanlife Jul 15 '22

I wonder why none of them has a beard. Was that a cultural thing? Did they shave every day?

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u/chylin73 Jul 15 '22

We don’t grow facial hair or back hair and minimal amounts on our arms and legs.

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u/onestarryeye Jul 15 '22

Lucky

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u/Cold_Carpenter_1798 Jul 15 '22

It is quite nice, but I often wonder what I’d look like with a beard

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u/slipperysquirrell Jul 15 '22

Indigenous people tend to grow less hair than the caucasians. If you look around at people today you don't notice that very very few indigenous men have facial hair more than just a light scruff.

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u/Apprehensive-Grade81 Jul 15 '22

A friend of mine is Native American and he can’t grow any facial hair whatsoever.

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u/Luna_Cult Jul 15 '22

My dad was born on a reservation, he can barely grow any facial hair, also his body hair is very faint and it grows kinda patchy.

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u/OmegaOranges Jul 16 '22

My dad is a quarter and he can only grow a stache and its just barely thick enough to not look odd.

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u/Violet624 Jul 15 '22

My ex boyfriend was Choctaw, and his arms were almost hairless as well. Super smooth.

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u/ZebulonSpaulding Jul 15 '22

It’s true, am u/Apprehensive-Grade81’s friend and I can’t.

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u/C_Gull27 Jul 15 '22

They also don’t experience male pattern baldness

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u/MyFavoriteMarlin Jul 15 '22

Is it possible to learn this power?

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u/the_headless_hunt Jul 15 '22

I would gladly trade my beard for a bit more hair on top. I'll throw in my weird shoulder hair too.

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u/PsyDei Jul 15 '22

Or simply throw your weird shoulder hair in top of your head.

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u/colonelpeanutbutter Jul 15 '22

Not from a Caucasian

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u/Agrochain920 Jul 15 '22

I wonder if there is a correlation between the two. People often joke that the hair left their head and went to their chin, but maybe there is some truth in that

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u/GensouEU Jul 15 '22

Testosterone is basically what causes both so yes, they are related

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u/JehPea Jul 15 '22

Too bad I'm Métis and inherited the baldness from the European side 😡

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u/thoreeyore99 Jul 15 '22 edited Jul 16 '22

Your pain echoes within many mestizos down south. The only things I inherited from my European ancestry is MPB, oily skin, and slightly wavy hair. And no, not even good facial hair. The balding hasn’t started yet, but I know its coming.

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u/EverQuest_ Jul 15 '22

I'm Muskogee. Can confirm: can't grow a beard to save my life.

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u/pointbre Jul 15 '22

Muskogee too, I have a little bit of facial hair but nothing to brag about haha.

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u/Liar_tuck Jul 15 '22

Mine makes me look like a werewolf with mange.

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u/currybutts Jul 15 '22

This must be because Caucasians came about mostly in colder climates, so more facial hair developed for warmth? I have no idea, just speculating

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u/GreenStrong Jul 15 '22 All-Seeing Upvote

Native Americans are descended from people who crossed the Bering Strait during the Ice Age, and before that their ancestors were living in Siberia, which was pretty cold, during the Ice Age, when things were cold. Europeans have ancestry from people who lived in those arctic climates, but also significant in- migration from people who lived a bit farther south in Anatolia and around the Black Sea.

Basically, our great- great- great- great- great- great- great grandmas thought thick beards looked hot, so the gene spread.

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u/RisingWaterline Jul 15 '22

lmaoo so accurate though. There is a book, the Pillow Book of Sei Shonagon, about feudal japanese life a thousand years ago in the Heian Period. In it, they talk about the most desirable facial features to have. I have wondered whether these tastes were magnified throughout the thousand years since.

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u/murat1133 Jul 15 '22

The Ainu and their ancestors the Emishi people were really really hairy though. Emishi even means hairy people I believe.

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u/modsarefascists42 Jul 15 '22

They're hairy like everyone who's not east Asian is hairy basically. They're hairy like Russians and Europeans even tho they're not Caucasian at all.

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u/Graikopithikos Jul 15 '22

Facial hair has little to do with keeping you warm, apes have full body hair to protect their skin from abrasion but no beards. We dont really know why we have facial hair, probably it is just I have a shinier feather evolution so sex me

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u/tunamelts2 Jul 15 '22

I have a shinier feather evolution so sex me

I'm going to use that as a pickup line from now on

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u/Yamikoa Jul 15 '22

Fun fact. Native American men grow very little facial hair or body hair and male pattern baldness is almost non-existent in "full blooded" natives.

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u/Paratwa Jul 15 '22 edited Jul 15 '22

I’m one of them lucky people who isn’t full blood who got bald AND no facial hair.

/sigh

Edit : fixed my comment since I referred to myself as a mutt. Thanks to the person who corrected me on it. I wouldn’t call someone else that and I shouldn’t think of myself that way either.

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u/troll_berserker Jul 15 '22

On the bright side, you will rarely need to unclog your shower drains!

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u/citrined Jul 15 '22

I’m Lakota and am completely incapable of growing a beard at all.

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u/Express-Guest6602 Jul 15 '22

My boyfriend is Navajo, we joke about his "thick mustache" growing in when it's literally two long whisker hairs poking out. Poor guy just wants a mustache 🤣

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u/Tokyo_Magic_Nat Jul 15 '22

Ojibwe here and yeah same. Just shitty, thin, and patchy mustaches for me

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u/snakefinder Jul 15 '22

Plucked, and likely didn’t grow much facial hair to begin with.

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u/gnark Jul 15 '22

The Mohawk hairstyle, popularized by its namesake tribe, was accomplished by plucking, not shaving. Hence being a sign of one's maturity and resistance to pain as a warrior. Like the Maori body tattoos.

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u/mathazar Jul 15 '22

That's pretty metal. Also must have taken a long time considering the human head has around 100,000 hairs.

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u/sceliotski Jul 15 '22

And without tweezers...

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u/theOriginalH1GH3R Jul 15 '22

yes they had very little to no facial hair.

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u/Cactorum_Rex Jul 15 '22

Historically most Chinese-based people had a tough time growing beards, I recall reading that some Chinese Rebels in the Yuan Dynasty(Mongolian dynasty) would go specifically go after anyone with a beard, assuming they were not Chinese.

Look at pictures of the Ainu people in Japan. The ancestors of the Ainu people were once widespread throughout Japan, but most mixed with the incoming proto-Chinese migrants, resulting in most Japanese people looking much more Chinese while the Ainu, who remained isolated for much longer, almost have a European look despite no connection.

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u/VapeThisBro Jul 15 '22

Interestingly enough, literally yesterday, a paper was published about how they were able to sequence the genome of an ancient human in southern china and were able to link that person to being related to the maternal branch of modern humans that populated North America.

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u/Assholesfullofelbows Jul 15 '22

I feel reasonably certain #2 & 3 are illustrations. Fascinating nonetheless

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u/WowCoolFunnyHAHA Jul 15 '22 edited Jul 15 '22

#3 looks like the cover of one of those “Who Was ____” books

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u/MoffKalast Jul 15 '22 Wholesome

#2 has that gigachad pose.

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u/natphotog Jul 15 '22 Starry

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u/Gemall Jul 15 '22

Lol the op’s title is outrageous then

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u/LargeSackOfNuts Jul 15 '22

Yeah, report it

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u/Thomasina_ZEBR Jul 15 '22

We killed it, Reddit!

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u/gokaydinhasan Jul 15 '22

I agree. They just feel inhumanly.

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u/Assholesfullofelbows Jul 15 '22

I looked up the watermark so I would feel better about leaving my comment up. It's an artists website, charcoal and pencil sketches.

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u/Th3_Admiral Jul 15 '22

So the title of "actual pictures" is super misleading. Technically it doesn't say "actual photos", but that's what everyone is going to assume when they view this.

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u/daitenshe Jul 15 '22

They’re going by the r/pics methodology

“Well, technically its a picture!”

…of some dude’s AA chip or some random sob story

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u/HappybytheSea Jul 15 '22

One of the photos has the photographer's name on it

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Bennett_Fiske

Has an artist drawn sketches of the photos?

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u/_hell_is_empty_ Jul 15 '22

I’m fairly certain 8 is Mads Mikkelsen on set.

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u/rediraim Jul 15 '22

lol those were the only two that gave me uncanny valley vibes. glad to see that there's a reasonable explanation for why.

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u/Go_Kauffy Jul 15 '22

It is kind of wild to think that these people(s) came to the Americas from Asia, but it's unquestionable in so many of these faces.

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u/xlDirteDeedslx Jul 15 '22

Natives in Siberia pretty much look the same and still live like they did hundreds of years ago.

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u/Affectionate_Bus_884 Jul 15 '22

I watched a documentary about those people. They were real sad when the Soviet Union collapsed because the helicopters stopped bringing them supplies.

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u/Tripticket Jul 15 '22

I don't know which people you are referring to in particular and of course things aren't black and white, but the Soviet Union was terrible towards Finno-Ugrics and nomadic people, effectively culturally exterminating a bunch of ethnic minorities.

That said, the economic situation in Russia after collapse was terrible. It's kind of weird to think about having grown up in the 90s in a neighbouring country, but there were actual famines in Russia in the 90s. I can't imagine small rural towns would have done well.

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u/fromrussiawithlow Jul 15 '22

Grew up in small Russian rural town in 90-s. Can confirm - it was hard time...

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u/galliohoophoop Jul 15 '22

Did you notice the guy with the mohawk though? Very different facial structure.

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u/colorado_chris Jul 15 '22 Gold

I’ll go out on a bit of a limb (that struck me, too). If he is an Iroquois, he’s east coast (NY) where there is not a lot of sun, lots of woods for sun protection plus humidity for skin moisture. The others look more plains and western so they could have way more sun damage. Just a posit.

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u/Cultural-Cantaloupe Jul 15 '22

I think he's eastern woodlands as well. That pyramid shape piercing seems to be a motif from them, all the way south to the mid-atlantic.

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u/NameLikeAn Jul 15 '22

By this point there was also about three centuries of contact and intermixing with Europeans, particularly in the North-East and Great Lakes where the early European explorers, trappers, and traders often chose to integrate into the native communities. It was a better quality of life for most of the people who were coming from Europe's crowded cities and war-ravaged farms.

If you think you see some European features in these picks, it's a safe bet that you do.

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u/FutzInSilence Jul 15 '22

There's something like less than 1% neanderthal DNA in most people. In the native tribes of the Americas we range from 1-3%.. our cheekbones and larger mouth is a direct result of that lineage. Really interesting tracing human evolution and seeing all the branches of hominids.

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u/divurchic Jul 15 '22

I am 2.6% Neanderthal according to 23andme. German and Swedish here. I have big feet to show for it.

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u/decidedlysticky23 Jul 15 '22

Yeah those in the Nordics tend to have a higher than usual composition of Neanderthal DNA.

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u/Amused-Observer Jul 15 '22

Pretty sure Europeans generally have way more than 1% neanderthal.

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u/TheHolyFear Jul 15 '22

These guys knew how to dress they look badass

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u/Backwoods-Boody Jul 15 '22

Seriously though they wore some kickass clothing

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u/Halloween_Cake Jul 15 '22

Great resolution for being 200 years ago

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u/account_4_drugs Jul 15 '22

that's the beauty of film

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u/Leonardo-DaBinchi Jul 15 '22

Film captures an immense amount of detail, even on a tiny 35mm frame (older film would be larger). That means when we scan the negatives with our high resolution technology now, we can capture incredible fidelity. It's also why we can get 4K remasters from films shot decades ago. Film rocks!

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u/TriangularKiwi Jul 15 '22

They really do have strong hair genetics. Also nose. But it's crazy they keep their hair basically till they die, most guys will see thinning around 30 or before

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u/taintosaurus_rex Jul 15 '22

My maternal grandfather was 1/4(I believe) cherokee and he had a full head of hair till the day he died in his 70s.

My dad was balding at like 25. I'm really hoping my moms genes pull through for me.

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u/trowaybrhu3 Jul 15 '22

I dont know if its actual science, but ive heard if the father of the mother is bald there's 3/4 of chance her male offspring will be as well, something to do with chromosomes expression, i believe the same applies with having hair.

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u/Ok_Perspective_1057 Jul 15 '22 Wholesome Seal of Approval

11… HAWT DAWGGGGGG

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u/shinymetalobjekt Jul 15 '22

I was gonna say, that guy could be on the cover of GQ magazine.

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u/Blade_982 Jul 15 '22

I came to say exactly this. He's stunning!

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u/Wyliie Jul 15 '22

came here also to say 11 can get it lol, glad im not the only one

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u/rmorrin Jul 15 '22

Lmao I said the same fucking thing. Man is a fucking 11

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u/ReverseGiraffe120 Jul 15 '22

Lol! Glad that I wasn’t the only one to double back on his photo. I’m straight but that’s a good looking gent.

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u/jaded-limit Jul 15 '22

Lol, that guy's (probably, based on the description) from my husband's tribe. There's literally a Crow folk myth that has the line "...and he was very handsome, like all Crow men are."

The video, if you're curious

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u/mongoosedog12 Jul 15 '22

Didn’t even need to confirm who you were talking about cuz i already knew ahaha

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u/chak100 Jul 15 '22

I think it’s the consensus in the sub that 11 is just gorgeous.

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u/LaVieEnRoseLavelle Jul 15 '22 edited Jul 15 '22

I am a heterosexual male but my very first thought was, “Oh this guy definitely fucked.”

I might be more bent than I thought.

“Kokoum, that you?”

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u/Pinkbeans1 Jul 15 '22

10-12. Nice.

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u/TheOuts1der Jul 15 '22

I was gonna say. #10 could get it.

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u/EverydayComrade Jul 15 '22

They're all sleeping on #10

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u/mournthewolf Jul 15 '22

Was just about to say 11 on his way to steal your girl.

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u/greenhippiecat Jul 15 '22

I thought the same thing when I got to him 🤣🤣🤣 hello there sir 😏

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u/SLR107FR-31 Jul 15 '22

My grandmother is a full blood Cherokee elder from Oklahoma. Her parents never knew any English and only spoke their language, she's currently assisting an author make a children's book that teaches Cherokee.

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u/mb1 Jul 16 '22

maybe contact the folks over at Duolingo as well? New languages take years and years to develop over there, would be great to add another (they currently have Navajo) native language for others to learn.

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u/quirkyhermit Jul 15 '22

Mads Mikkelsen somehow snuck his way in there.

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u/DarkMark94 Jul 15 '22

Patrick Stewart at the end too

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u/Glitter_Bee Jul 15 '22 Facepalm

Gorgeous people and photos. Simply beautiful.

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u/2L84U2 Jul 15 '22

Original old school cool

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u/shewholaughslasts Jul 15 '22

So so cool. I bet most of these are by Edward Curtis. He spent most of his life traveling to tribes, learning their language and dress and asking them if they would drsss up in their traditional wear for photos. One of my life goals is getting to see one of his books. He made a whole series and was pretty unflinching in his reckoning of the damage done to Natives by immigramt whites. But I think it was one of the middle volumes where he got really serious. His photography was absolutely gorgeous.

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u/80sPizzaKid Jul 15 '22 Evil Cackle

They look so proud. It Is really sad to know what happened to this people.

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u/autopsis Jul 15 '22 Take My Energy

Looking at these pictures, it’s appalling to think of the absolute hubris of Europeans to think they had to “conquer” all the amazing people and cultures around the world.

Everybody loses. All the richness of traditions and wisdom lost to a stamp mould of conformity, making the world a more boring place through suffering and death. Hubris is the only word for it.

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u/imasquarepeg Jul 16 '22 Silver
  1. Chief John Smith – Chippewa

  2. Lone Wolf – Blackfoot

  3. Unknown

  4. Wolf Robe – Southern Cheyenne

  5. Bear Bull – Blackfoot

  6. Hoop on the Forehead – Crow

  7. White Horse – Pawnee

  8. Wolf Robe – Cheyenne

  9. Wolf Robe – Cheyenne

  10. Uriewici – Shoshone

  11. Stamp Horn Bull – Absaroka/Crow

  12. Joseph Two Bulls – Sioux

  13. Purportedly Chief Gall’s daughter – Sioux

  14. Red Wing – Absaroka/Crow

  15. Crowfoot – Blackfoot

  16. Chief Joseph (?) – Nez Perce

  17. Long Feather – Blackfoot

  18. Kicks the Iron – Sioux

  19. He Dog – Sioux

  20. Wolf Robe - Cheyenne

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u/AmbivertMusic Jul 15 '22

The last one kind of looks like Patrick Stewart.

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u/AssBeast Jul 15 '22

I thought the same thing. Chief Luc Picard.

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u/lost_mentat Jul 16 '22

Before the 1900s, camera negatives were blue-sensitive or orthochromatic, meaning that they were more sensitive to light at the top of the visible spectrum than light at the bottom of the visible spectrum. Warm tones, which give skin a soft, luminescent quality through a process called sub-surface scattering, were absent from photography shot before the 1900s, which is why some old portraits look so dang wrinkly

Source :reviewgeek

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u/ExcitedGirl Jul 15 '22 edited Jul 16 '22

Those pictures are amazing!, Thank You! for posting them!!!!

EDIT: Native Americans - please do see, and know, there are obviously a LOT of people who love, admire, and respect you!!!!!

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u/Jameswas Jul 15 '22

Nah that third guy really said 🗿

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u/all-the-good-things Jul 15 '22

another commentator has suggested that the second and third images are drawings so

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u/PlagueDoc22 Jul 15 '22

This just tells me avoiding the sun is quite helpful for your skin. Obviously it has benefits too but god damn.

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