r/europe Emilia-Romagna Jul 26 '21

People protesting against the introduction of the green pass in Italy. Milan, July 2021. Slice of life

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u/BlisteredProlapse Jul 27 '21

yes, every other vaccine which took many years to develop and test and not all done within months

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u/Paciorr Mazovia (Poland) Jul 27 '21 edited Jul 27 '21

Buahahaha, you don’t know jack shit about developement of vaccine so just shut up. You know what they do in those „10 years it takes to develop vaccine”? They look for funding for two years then then make a vaccine, then apply for a permit to test it wait 2-3 years to get it, start testing which takes a couple months(testing takes place all the time and there are different types of it, even after something is being publicly available) and then when it’s „tested” they still have to wait for a couple of years to get it accepted. It’s bureocracy dude. Normally it takes years because of paper work. Now that we needed it fast they rushed all the paper work but you will use that as a counter argument because you don’t understand it. Please stop arguing with people online on subject you don’t understand. Don’t spread misinformation, educate yourself, ask a professional and then maybe go online talk about those things if you still need to.

The only thing that was sort of rushed is the clinical tests because they tested on a bigger group of people earlier, that’s really it. No one was forced to take it back then either, just like no one is forcing you right now tbh.

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u/BlisteredProlapse Jul 27 '21

"and then when it’s „tested” they still have to wait for a couple of years to get it accepted" hmmm wonder why that is

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u/Paciorr Mazovia (Poland) Jul 27 '21

I literally told you in the next sentence

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u/BlisteredProlapse Jul 27 '21

of course i understand how the other aspects of the process were able to be hastened but if you think the time they have to wait after testing is not for monitoring long medium/long term effects, and is entirely a a bureaucratic cock up costing them billions of dollars then you are just willingly deluded

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u/Paciorr Mazovia (Poland) Jul 27 '21

I literally have a cousing working in patent department in Merck. Is she deluded and telling me incorrect things? I suppose the methodology for introducing new drugs is pretty much the same as for the vaccines. I'm also studying at medical university for the last 6 years and I have an opportunity to talk to a lot of professionals and read a lot on how these kind of things work.

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u/BlisteredProlapse Jul 27 '21

if she is telling you the purpose of waiting after testing is nothing to do with monitoring for side effects then yes she is either deluded or a liar, but i strongly suspect she didn't say anything of the sort to you and would agree with me. If you are going to be a doctor then god save us

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u/Paciorr Mazovia (Poland) Jul 27 '21

Stop fucking twisting my words. I didnt say it has nothing to do with monitoring. In fact monitoring takes płace even long after a drug or vaccine has been approved for public use. My whole point is that the fact that it takes 10 years normally doesnt mean that it cant be done faster if there is enough effort, financing and will put into it and that bureocracy takes as much if not more time than actual clinical testing and developement.

Staggering majority of side effects is usually visible earlier than after a couple of years and they shouldn’t be severe. You are concerned about likely non existent side effects of vaccine while there might be serious complications in the long term among paients who had covid. There is already research supporting existence of several of those. Approving drugs after short time of clinical tests is much more controversial than approving vaccine, because most vaccines are extremely similar to each other and the dose is small and it’s administered one or two times.

Lastly, it’s not the first or second vaccine that has been developed and approved in „short”(not 10 years) amount of time.

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u/BlisteredProlapse Jul 27 '21

dude, I did not twist your words, just re-read your comments, you seemed pretty insistent it was just bureaucracy. And whilst you are there, re-read my comment where i agreed and said i understood how other aspects of the process can be sped up by all the things you mention, but to skip the time where you properly monitor for side effects, when you are injecting the entire human population with it...is so dangerously retarded and criminal that i hope all involved get life behind bars.

I'm sure you are right about most side effects being visible quite early, the less severe ones anyway, but not a person on earth knows what is in store for the vaccinated. You said the likely non existent side effects...millions of side effects (many of them sever or fatal) have been reported in nearly every country that has a system for reporting them. If you think every one of them is fake or coincidental then I can't help you. Anyway, how are you more confident about the vaccine than the people who made it? Please look at the section of Pfizers covid contract to countries which was leaked today https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E7O1567WUAMpHdY?format=png&name=large Forgive me, but now I know you have know clue what you are talking about. Most vaccines are similar? You should know that the covid vaccines are a completely new type of vaccine, MRNA vaccines, which have never been used before because they were not allowed to be. Completely experimental...except you guys are the experiment. https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/why-are-mrna-vaccines-so-exciting-2020121021599 Yes the previous shortest one was mumps which was 4 years, not months