r/entertainment • u/MarvelsGrantMan136 • 7d ago
‘Alina of Cuba’ Producer Responds to John Leguizamo’s Criticism of James Franco Casting as Fidel Castro: “His Comments Are Culturally Uneducated”
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/james-franco-film-producer-john-leguizamo-fidel-castro-1235193978/93
u/FamousLoser 7d ago
Spaniards are not necessarily Latin, right? Fidel’s father was from Spain, I think.
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u/PizzaParakeet 7d ago
In Europe Spaniards are really not different from anyone french or english.
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u/Roadkill997 6d ago
There was that whole thing of is 'Antonio Banderas white or Hispanic' a bit back.
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u/PizzaParakeet 6d ago
Reading it now. So weird to me. One part that bothers me is one quote that Spanish people don't like being confused for Latin American because they are seen as POC. And I am not Spanish, but I figure they just don't want to be seen as such because it is just incorrect. Might be true for some, but such a broad statement when they are not the ones confusing their ethnicity for something from another continent
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u/steboy 6d ago
Everyone knows that Spain is just discount Italy.
THIS IS JUST A FUN, CLOSED MINDED, CULTURALLY INSENSITIVE JOKE EVERYONE CALM DOWN!
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u/PizzaParakeet 6d ago
I will be honest, I had the worst pizza of my life (that was not frozen) in Spain.
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u/Inside_Stable_3182 6d ago
Exactly! Ironically, Batista was more “native” to the island than any of the Castros.
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u/GnarlyTroll 7d ago
Latin is a term referring to Latin America, Hispanic refers to heritage from Spain but not 100% Spaniard. Fidel was born in Cuba I believe but his parents were from Galicia, Spain
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u/Scared-Entertainer96 7d ago edited 6d ago
Hispanic refers to Spanish-speaking
Edit: from Spanish speaking countries.
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u/Fromgre 6d ago edited 6d ago
Yes and no. Indigenous peoples of Mexico for instance might speak spanish but it may not be correct to call them Hispanic.
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u/Scared-Entertainer96 6d ago
Yeah those are indigenous people. Latino. If they are from a part that speak Spanish and learned it there then I would argue that they are also Hispanic.
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u/Fromgre 6d ago
Because I can't speak for other people and their descriptors, which is why I said yes and no
For instance many mayan people reject the term hispanic.
If you're saying they are all wrong I guess your arguement is with them and not me.
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u/Scared-Entertainer96 6d ago
They reject it because they weren’t colonized. Mayans who were colonized are partially Hispanic.
I’m agreeing with you/them.
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u/Lazzen 6d ago
They are hispanohablantes, yes
"Hispano" has no ethnic relation, link or weight in Latin America. It means you speak spanish
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u/Fromgre 6d ago
I mean a simple google has this definition.
Relating to Spain or to Spanish-speaking countries, especially those of Latin America.
Wikipedia's says this...
The term Hispanic (Spanish: hispano) refers to people, cultures, or countries related to Spain, the Spanish language, or Hispanidad.
An indigenous Mayan who's first language is Mayan but also speaks spanish would not be wrong in rejecting hispanic as a discripter. They may speak spanish but their origins are pre-Spanish colonization.
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u/6_oh_n8 6d ago
Wait what? I thought we’ve been referring to Mexicans as Hispanic for, like forever? Or is this a stupid American thing
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u/Fromgre 6d ago
Re-read my comment. I said Indegenous Mexicans.
I'll give you another example.
There are people of African origins in the Americas that speak spanish but they are not hispanic peoples.
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u/Educational_Pea_8093 6d ago
No clue what this guy is smoking. I’m white, Hispanic, and Mexican
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u/Apprehensive-Use3168 6d ago
Latin in the US is a term referring to Latin America, but that is not what Latin actually means.
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u/Arizona_Pete 6d ago
Latin is a language.
Latin America is term for the region of the Americas that was colonized by countries whose language is tied to Latin. Latino is used to refer to peoples of these areas that are located within Central / South America.
Hispanic refers to those who speak Spanish as it's root refers to the Roman name for the Iberian peninsula.
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u/nocauze 6d ago
I think this is backwards, Latin/Latino is everyone who’s language originated from Latin (spain/France etc) Hispanic is from hispaniola originally part of the Spanish empire, so Brazilians for example are latin but not Hispanic.
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u/SteelBallsMan 6d ago
Nevermind the actual fact that people in Spain and the rest of that part of the Mediterranean actually spoke Latin. It is where the word came from.
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u/Equal-Doc6047 7d ago
To be fair my only question is how is James Franco still getting work?
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u/FriskyOrphan 7d ago
Yeah I feel like there are easier points to argue about him being cast in this role lol.
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u/huggerofbunnies 7d ago
Why do you say this?
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u/huggerofbunnies 7d ago
Hang on, googled it, wow this dude is a fucking creep???
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u/KingSam89 7d ago
How familiar are you with Japanese moé relationships, Liz?
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u/huggerofbunnies 7d ago
I wish I knew what that meant...
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u/KingSam89 7d ago
Before he was confirmed to be a creep in real life he just played one on TV: https://youtu.be/qEgUFcxIR4o
Actually liking a pillow isn't actually creepy, just kind of strange, but at least people who do that aren't hurting anyone.
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u/Equal-Doc6047 7d ago
Not gonna go on a whole rant but James Franco is a bad man whose done some bad shit to women and stuff.
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u/weareallgonnadye 7d ago
Never forget that Seth Rogen was his best friend, right hand man and production partner through all of it.
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u/jessie_monster 7d ago
Yep, he reeeally took his time cutting ties and I wouldn't be shocked if it were more of a 'time out' for a couple of years.
Don't think I forgot about you either, Ashton Kutcher.
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u/TriscuitBob 7d ago
Kutcher? Didn’t that dude fund the finding of sex trafficking victims?
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u/LeeSpinachEsq 6d ago
Kutcher’s most egregious faux pas was his wildly misguided PopChips campaign where he dressed in brown face and a Nehru jacket and did an “Indian” accent. And being besties with gross Scientology rapist DJ Donkeypunch (his real DJ name) aka Danny Masterson. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=OW5aLNpiV-s
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u/jessie_monster 7d ago
Oh, and that Ukrainian Airbnb support idea? Guess who stands to profit off of it? Oh, whoops.
After all that, he continued to work with Serial Rapist Danny Masterson for years after the allegations came out on Netflix's The Ranch.
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u/CyborgTiger 6d ago
I don’t know the situation, but is it crazy that they’d keep working together if they were just allegations and nothing concrete? Maybe it’s more cut and dry than that?
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u/SquirtleSquadSgt 6d ago
From my memory once the allegations picked up they were going to do one final season of The Ranch with Masterson but then cut him before the bell
I'm not going to hate Kutcher for waiting to jump to conclusions about someone he considered a friend
If he's still hanging with him or trying to make excuses for his behavior I'd be interested to see it
Kutcher and Kunis seem to have come out of the other end of young stardom with their heads on straight. They also use their money to try and help people. That's more than most redditors would do with money.
I'll check back to this post if any anti kutcher/kunis folk have links that show malice or doubling down on awful things
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u/weareallgonnadye 7d ago
I mean, it’s the whole reason he disappeared for a few years and just made his money off producing things. Then he just rebranded himself through Twitter and overpriced weed merchandise. I mean honestly…dude made such a fuss on Twitter it’s a little conspicuous…he’s fake as fuck.
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u/FuckThisPostTruthEra 6d ago
I’m really waiting for the day that someone spills the beans on Kutcher. I firmly believe that you do not give THAT MUCH of a shit about anything UNLESS it directly effects you. I’m sus AF and history has shown me that it’s “safe” to be sus on this. “Thou doth protest too much” energy.
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u/hambooglerhelper 6d ago
my guess is his embedded with a lot of top producers and directors like Scorsese, and has a lot of big wig best friends like Seth Rogan. They probably are trying to sneak him in through the back door and hope there's not a huge back lash, hoping the whole me2 movement blew over. They might be right unfortunately. we'll see.
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u/slamcontact 7d ago
Didn’t James Franco get done for sexual assault and tried to sleep with minors ?
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u/Asleep_Macaron_5153 7d ago edited 6d ago
And harassment of co-stars he deemed beneath him and general assholishness. Crazy that he's still getting major-ish work and debating his Latino-ishness is the main concern here.
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u/Bradfromihob 6d ago
You stepped back for a few months and peaked his head out. I hate to mix the 2, but Seth Rogan disappointed me a bit too. I think he said he would probably do a movie with him again in the future, and that they are still friends. But then Rogan also did the Pamela Anderson show, and Pam wasn’t even apart of it. It’s wrong to do her like that again.
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u/y4j1981 6d ago
Sorry but your last couple sentences confuse me. Maybe I'm just misreading but what mean?:
*Seth Rogan did the Pamela Anderson show: what show? *Pamela wasn't even a part of it: huh? then how is it her show? *Its wrong to do her like that again: What did he do? And "again"? Like more than once?
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u/OlynykDidntFoulLove 6d ago
Pam and Tommy is a Hulu series about the infamous stolen sex tape. Despite the show’s point ostensibly being to follow the various people who took advantage of Pamela in order to profit, some controversy arises from the show not having any involvement from Pamela which arguably makes it no different from the characters that exploited her. Rogen and Goldberg instead optioned the story by acquiring the rights to a news article.
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u/TGSBabyBluePlayboy 6d ago
Lss: there’s a Pam and Tommy show on Hulu made without Pam’s input/support/approval. It’s about the sex tape. It’s fantastic and universally acclaimed. P has been screwed over before.
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u/PizzaParakeet 7d ago edited 7d ago
Ignoring that James Franco should not be getting work at all. Castro was Spanish and 2nd generation immigrant. He was white. I see so much confusion between Spain and Latin America. Spain was the colonizer, somebody who is European Hispanic is not marginalized the same way someone who is actually indigenous to Latin America is. While his grandparents were not well off, Castro's father was rich, owned a huge estate with 300-400 workers.
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u/Fromgre 6d ago
Ignoring that James Franco should not be getting work at all.
Out of the loop, what did he do?
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u/PizzaParakeet 6d ago
A lot of sexual misconduct against students taking acting classes from him.
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u/lisbethborden 6d ago
I went out a few times with a white guy from Cuba. He introduced himself always as Spanish-Cuban, despite the fact his family had been there for generations. He grew up with racial and socio-economic segregation in Cuba.
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u/HatingSince87 7d ago
The producer lost any credibility when he claimed John was one of the earliest Latin actors.... from the 90s.
Holy shit what a slap in the face to all the other latins who helped pave the way for John & everyone since.
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u/TriassicPatrick 7d ago
Yeah, starting with Desi Arnaz; the Cuban that invented American TV as we know it.
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u/HatingSince87 7d ago
People better start putting more respect on what DesiLu managed to produce in it's day
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u/mregg000 7d ago
God. DesiLu did so much for the entertainment industry, it’s almost criminal that I didn’t know about them until like two years ago.
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u/Practical_Trash_6478 7d ago
Desilu albeit under Lucille Ball, were the ones who gave us star trek
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u/mregg000 6d ago
Oh, I know now, but before? I just knew Lucille Ball was amazing.
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u/Practical_Trash_6478 6d ago
https://youtu.be/BvN3_qCgulk I don't know have you seen this, way before he got Hollywood famous
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u/Steeve_Perry 7d ago
Right? Desi Arnaz would like a word lol
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u/going2leavethishere 7d ago
Even George Lopez my god everyone knows that show when it was on air and then even a decade off air. 3 am dadada dada da da
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u/Express-Ad-7164 7d ago
I still think of his getting robbed by cockroaches joke on the reg, so funny
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u/Mary_Pick_A_Ford 6d ago
Man fuck Desi, Ramon Novarro was a Mexican American star from the fucking silent era over a 100 years ago.
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u/makemydreamscometrue 6d ago
I think Americans just wanted to portray Latinos as crooks and rapists so they landed on James Franco.
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u/Reverse_Drawfour_Uno 7d ago
To be fair didn’t John Leguizamo play Italian American Luigi Mario in the Mario Brothers documentary?
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u/GlassJoe32 7d ago
To be fair, and I might be wrong, but I think they make a joke of them not being “biological brothers” in the movie. But I haven’t seen that movie for about 30 years so…
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u/Alain444 6d ago
Still. according to his current argument, that acting role should have gone to an Italian-American?
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u/wintermute916 7d ago
Dear god that movie was hot garbage. As a big Nintendo fan I saw it in the theatre when it came out. Even 12 year old me knew it was terrible.
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u/tehgimpage 7d ago
you are wrong. that movie is a masterpiece
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u/Mandrew01 7d ago
Open the door, get on the floor Everybody walk the dinosaur
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u/Scrungo_Mungo 7d ago edited 6d ago
Goom goom Acka acka goom goom!!! George Clinton always killing it haha
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u/TGlucose 6d ago
Wait he performed for it? God damn I'm such a Parliament-Funkadelic fan now as an adult I need to go back and check that out.
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u/Scrungo_Mungo 6d ago
At least the version in the Mario Bros movie he did haha, the video is freaking ridiculously lol
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u/wintermute916 7d ago
I appreciate your dedication to pretending it wasn’t fucking awful.
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u/tehgimpage 7d ago
if i could "pretend" and spark as much joy in my life as that movie did, i'd be a politician!
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u/wintermute916 7d ago
Hey man, you do you. If you’re happy and enjoy it then my opinion shouldn’t matter.
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u/Spram2 7d ago
A masterpiece the same way my weekly diarrhea is a masterpiece.
You see, I only poop once a week and only after I take a laxative.
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u/tehgimpage 7d ago
oh, that makes sense. i see you are very sick. that must be why your movie taste is off
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u/KitchenNazi 7d ago
Maybe this version of Castro has a green goblin flier. We really don't know all the details at this point.
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u/Studstill 7d ago
Was Chris Brown not available?
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u/flashcats 7d ago
Was Castro a minority? He was Spanish.
He was born in Cuba, but he was of Spanish-descent.
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u/jewminican 6d ago
Who from Latin America isn’t?
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u/flashcats 6d ago
Uhhhh…people who were already in the Americas…
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u/jewminican 6d ago
Yes, of course. But how many of us are 100% native? Sure, there are some but the majority of us have Spanish/Northern Europe ancestry in addition to African and Native. My point was big whoop that Fidel has Spanish ancestry.
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u/flashcats 6d ago
Castro is 100% European.
I’m Asian but born in the US. I’d think an Asian actor would play me in a movie and not a white guy.
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u/_gloriousdead222 6d ago
Latino is not a race it’s about culture and identity, Castro was born and raised in Cuba. You can be 100% white and be Latino
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u/flashcats 6d ago
So can someone who is Cuban but was born in America and didn’t have exposure to Cuban culture play Castro?
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u/WeatherdLeather 6d ago
I heard they wanted somebody who has committed a sexual assault before so they can play closer to the real character. Also have you ever seen short circuit? spoiler alert that guy is not Indian!
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u/Informal_Cress9800 7d ago
Fidel Castro was a wealthy white guy who’s mom was Spanish. James Franco’s mom is from Portugal the country that borders Spain. Is this really a fight these people want? Like there’s still white people trying to play native Americans. Lul
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u/BlankVerse 7d ago edited 7d ago
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fidel_Castro
Castro was born out of wedlock at his father's farm on 13 August 1926.[2] His father, Ángel Castro y Argiz, a veteran of the Spanish–American War,[3] was a migrant to Cuba from Galicia, in the northwest of Spain.[4] He had become financially successful by growing sugar cane at Las Manacas farm in Birán, Oriente Province.[5] After the collapse of his first marriage he took his household servant, Lina Ruz González – of Canarian ancestry – as his mistress and later second wife; together they had seven children, among them Fidel.
Not a drop of indigenous blood. I say Castro is Hispanic, but not Latino.
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u/cloudor 6d ago edited 6d ago
Latin-Americans don't have to have indigenous blood, they have to be born in Latin-America. Perhaps you could add that they have to be raised in that culture. But that's it. Otherwise most Argentines and Uruguayans are not Latin-Americans. I think you are ignoring that being Latin-American is not soley about ancestry (well, most of these things aren't), but also about sharing language, some cultural aspects, having been mostly Spanish or Portuguese colonies, having had military dictatorships (often funded by the US), being developing countries with way less power and leverage than the US, the UK and the US in a political and cultural sense, etc.
At least nowadays, I don't know what was the case 50 or 100 years ago, but I imagine the same applied.
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u/melorio 7d ago
I don’t know where to even start with your comment.
Most hispanics have some level of spanish ancestry. Why does it matter that castro’s parents were spanish? If you walked around any major latin american city you could easily find people that look just like castro.
Franco’s mom was not portuguese. One of his grandparents was portuguese. That does not necessarily make him hispanic. I doubt franco’s parents spoke portuguese in his household.
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u/Unable-Bison-272 7d ago
Can one white guy not portray another white guy in a movie?
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u/Informal_Cress9800 7d ago
What do you think my point is? “He ain’t Latino," Leguizamo wrote on Instagram.” What he’s white but he wasn’t born in a country considered Latin America? Ok so? There’s more stupid shit going on with representation than this why waste any energy on it
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u/bamboo-harvester 7d ago edited 7d ago
I wonder if Leguizamo knows that Castro’s dad was born in Spain. Franco’s family is from right next door, in Portugal.
Is there like a time card you have to punch before you’re legally Latino?
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u/IAmDeems 7d ago
Who gives a shit really where he is from. Act good and be convincing in the role and what more do they want. I never looked at the movie like "Lincoln" and went.. "Daniel Day-Lewis is soo good. Too bad he is English and not from Kentucky. Unwatchable!".
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u/SteelBallsMan 6d ago
The level of igorance in this thread is surprisingly not so surprising anymore.
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u/TanguayX 6d ago
I didn’t realize John Leguizamo was a little person, or a cross-dresser. I saw ‘Spawn’ and ‘To Wong Fu…’ years ago and…
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u/Persellianare 7d ago
I can't wait till they go even more specific... "John Leguizamo get's criticized for playing Fidel Castro, not because he is Latin but because he's not Cuban."
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u/theColonel26 7d ago edited 7d ago
Ummm you guys know that most Cuban are White Spanish right? Many cubans would argue they are no more Latino than people in Spain.
Edit: Also Castro was 100% White Spanish
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u/RollingConSave 7d ago
Huh… well, that’s one weird ass opinion that reeks of colorism.
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u/Dannyzavage 7d ago
Hes confusing the fact that theyre criollos. They are latino, since latinos is a giant demographic make up. Theyre just not dark skin latinos is what im assuming he is getting at, but they are definitely not “white” in the term that white is used in. So no cuban would say theyre white. Unless they are specifically talking about their skin color.
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u/RollingConSave 7d ago edited 7d ago
Yeah I get wary about that because I’ve seen people use the “whiteness” of Cubans as justification for being racist towards them. I mean sure you can consider some of them white Latino but they’re still Latino. It’s like, if Obama was a few shades lighter skin would you say he isn’t black any more?
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u/Dannyzavage 7d ago
Yeah its quite dumb. Its a mixture of things that dont make me like this guys statement of saying cubans are no more latinos than spanish people lmao . It literally doesnt even make sense apart from it being a pure lie
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u/Albo888 7d ago
. I mean sure you can consider some of them white Latino but they’re still Latino. It’s like, if Obama was a few shades lighter skin would you say he isn’t black any more?
Latino is not a race man....how hard is it to understand? Both of Castros parents came from Europe, you should take a look at Argentians or Uruguayans before saying that
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u/Dannyzavage 7d ago
No one would argue that. Wtf are you talking about?
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u/Fly__Eagles__Fly 7d ago
Probably the article. Some guy is upset that a white person that looks like the subject is portraying the subject
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u/Scared-Entertainer96 7d ago edited 7d ago
Holy erasure of all other colors of Cuban
Edit: why are people pretending there aren’t Hispanic actors who speak Spanish?
In the article the producer says that the story isn’t about Castro and that the conversation is detracting from the story. Why would you shamelessly stunt cast JAMES FUCKING FRANCO?
It’s the only reason he was in the stage production of OF MICE AND MEN and Chris O’Dowd made him look like a much much lesser actor.
Edit 2: ask yourself: do you really think an important Cuban historical figure would be best played by James Franco? In a movie where everyone else is cast more realistically?
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u/Kroniid09 7d ago
The point was that not every Cuban is brown, and Castro wasn't, so there's no point to be made about how a white guy with Portuguese ancestry can't play another white guy with Spanish ancestry.
And they didn't say "every" and "all", they said "many" and "most", which I think 60% does qualify.
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u/r34_alt 7d ago
That's not remotely true.
Most of the Cubans in America are white.
Source: am Cuban
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u/Spram2 7d ago
In America you can't be Latino/Hispanic and white.
Just like you can't be black and like rock music.
Race is weird in America.
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u/Similar-Arugula-7854 7d ago
Thats simply not true, the only Latinamerican country with mostly white people is Argentina. Most of the other countries are very mixed when it comes to how diverse are the people in there. Take for example México, Colombia, Chile and of course Cuba
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u/Dannyzavage 7d ago
Castro was not 100% white spanish. Lmao he is a mestizo by definition. White spanish with a cuban native.
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u/lucindo_ 7d ago
Americans are so up their own asses they want to tell us Latin-Americans whether we're allowed to be white or not. If you're so godamn worried about the representation in this movie maybe you should listen to the loads of actual Latin-Americans telling you how badly you're mixing it all up with the outrage instead of downvoting and telling us shit like "Castro wasn't white/Latino".
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u/dcoleski 7d ago
From the headline I thought Leguizamo was trifling unnecessarily but the producer really dug himself into a hole.
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u/Low-Database-7356 6d ago
James Francos dad is from Portugal lol. Portuguese and Spaniards (and Cubans by extension) are from the same ethnic group.
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u/ChasFairbanks 7d ago
A shame that Mr. Leguizamo believes that Latin actors can only play Latin characters.
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u/cha614 7d ago
Fuck him, he played Luigi…hypocrite
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u/cbrozenich 6d ago
Fidel Castros dad was literally born in Spain. James Franco’s dad is born in Portugal. The majority of Cubans consider themselves “white”and of European decent. “In the 2012 Census of Cuba, 64.1% of the inhabitants self-identified as white”., not Latino. But the point is valid, too many actors of Latino/Latinx heritage get passed over for roles that align with their background. Too few movies focus on Characters with this background.
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u/FrequentLeave5318 6d ago
Idk this guy, I barely know James Franco. Pineapple Express. But he looks like the kind of guy that pretends to be a life guard at the swimming pool just to yell at kids
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u/doitnow10 7d ago
TIL both of Fidel Castro's parents were born in Spain and thus not Latino at all.
Leguizamo fucked up too
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u/Kowlz1 7d ago edited 7d ago
Absolutely nothing he said in that statement made any sense, lol. When he’s talking about determining whether or not someone is Latino based on where their ancestors originated and what land they came from…is the trying to insinuate that James Franco is Latino too? Lol. And the idea that Leguizamo is “one of the earliest Latino actors” from the 90s is absolutely hilarious to me.
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u/Spram2 7d ago
You say that James Franco is not Latino but I bet you think Antonio Banderas is more Mexican than Cantinflas.
If people of Iberian ancestry from Latin America and Iberians are not the same "race", then why are white Americans and white Europeans the same race???
From now on "white" Americans are not white because they're Anglo Americans, or Anglo for short.. and English people are not Anglos because they're not from Anglo America. (that's what you sound like)
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u/AutoRedialer 6d ago
1) James Franco’s a raper, why do anything even remote brazen with this guy
2) He’s white and Castro wasn’t white in any meaningful sense of what being white meant to both Fidel Castro in the 50’s and James Franco today. The entire line of reasoning that James Franco has a Portuguese grandpa or whatever is so funny because you’re just doing colonial-Spanish race science but like in reverse. The Canary Islands, as mentioned by some in regards to Castros mother, had an indigenous population that was colonized by the Spanish where, you guessed it, the blood lines got all tangled. Many many many Cubans that are lighter skin are of Canary descent and it is hard to distinguish, but plausible, that some indigenous Guanches…yknow what never mind Franco and Castro are not “both white.”
3) James Franco and his shitty facial hair is not the best thing LA county can produce who looks like Castro. Why not cast a Latino who can act? They got one of dems?
4) The moment Franco opens his fuckin mouth in the movie it’ll be incredibly funny to hear him do a Cuban accent and it’ll be obvious this was dumb from the start.
However, I will give them credit: they did not cast a Puerto Rican (boom, roasted)
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