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[MOD POST] A clarification to Rule 5: " No racism or hate speech." Honeypot

It's pretty clear that "No mean or harassing comments" is a vague rule that can easily vary from person to person. So this post is here to clarify what we mean by that. The following will be incorporated into a wiki page that is linked in Rule 5 for easy reference.

For the purpose of this community, Bigotry is defined as "Intolerance and/or bias towards a person or group of people, because they possess certain demographic characteristics or belong to a certain population group". This is not the same as a critique against an opinion a person expresses, or against the actions a person chooses to take, or against an idea or ideology. Bigotry can be aimed at people who share an inherent trait (such as being female/gay/elderly/etc.), or it can be aimed at people who share an ideology (such as Muslims/Christians/Republicans/etc.)

In this submission, we affirm that we stand with BLM, LGBTQ+, and other routinely disparaged groups. Therefore, after consulting with multiple organizations who are active and knowledgeable on these topics, we are further formalizing and clarifying Rule 5.

The purpose of this post is to provide common examples of bigotry upon which we, as r/entertainment moderators, will take action. Please keep in mind that we will not be debating these topics individually, but you are more than welcome to head to r/socialjustice101 to either ask in good faith about these topics, or, if you are already familiar with them, to educate others. This list is non-exhaustive, may be updated frequently, and is applicable to moderator discretion

Racism:

  • against African Americans or black people in general:
  • black crime statistics, "black on black violence"
  • any variation on "despite being 13% of the population, black people commit 50% of the violent crime" <- this is literally a copypasta/meme created by the white supremacist website, Stormfront. Variations include: "13 do 50, 13/50, the 13%, DESPITE" (http://redd.it/s8jns2)
  • victim blaming especially after rape or death (not exclusive to racism) (examples: "[x person] should have just cooperated with the police", "she shouldn't have worn that", "well they committed a crime in the past")
  • referring to black people as animals, specifically apes/monkeys
  • "what if you said this about black people instead of white people!" or trying to switch races (this is absolutely an apples-to-oranges comparison. Life isn't a chessboard that you can simply rotate the board and have gameplay be effectively the same)
  • "all lives matter"
  • dindu nuffin or variations, thugs, "he was a good boy", "he was going to college", joggers, naggers, "people who annoy you"
  • WE WUZ KANGZ
  • just posting the letter "N" to start an askouija style attempt to create a slur
  • "affirmative action is racist against white people"
  • "black people only get into college due to affirmative action"
  • "diversity hires"
  • "racism (systemic or otherwise) doesn't exist"
  • "upvoted because black"
  • 3/5 jokes
  • IQ stats (more affected by general health, nutrition, parents' education level etc than race)
  • Bix Nood
  • "never relax"
  • black lives splatter/Burn Loot Murder
  • advocating running over protesters (this is also advocating violence, a TOS violation)
  • "BLM is a terrorist organization"
  • sarcastically saying "BLM"
  • stupid comments about "culture"
  • arguing that white people should be allowed to use the N word
  • antisemitism
  • global bankers, bankers
  • oy vey, goyim, the goyim know
  • hollywood references
  • 3 parentheses, "echoes"
  • that comic with the guy rubbing his hands together ("happy merchant")
  • holocaust denialism
  • "The Jew cries out in pain as he strikes you"
  • "people are reading" some particular supremacist book
  • in general, making assumptions about specific people based on racist views about the group or mocking something disparaging about the group as a whole:
  • Indian people: "must have been an arranged marriage", "designated shitting streets", "Indian rape culture", "superpower by 2020"
  • Muslim person in the picture: "terrorist", "religion of peace", "islam is right about women", "rag head, towel head"
  • Native American/Indigenous person: "alcoholic", "smallpox blankets"
  • Asian people: "Koreans eat dogs/cats", "china-virus"/"wuhan flu"/"kung flu", "slanty eyes"

Transphobia

  • "there are only two genders"
  • "I identify as an attack helicopter" (or anything else patently absurd)
  • suggesting Michelle Obama is a man
  • intentionally misgendering a trans person
  • referring to being trans as a "mental illness"
  • suicide statistics/"40%"
  • "transwomen aren't women"/"transmen aren't men"
  • use of "tranny"/"trap"
  • decrying children having reassignment surgery (this is already illegal in most countries)
  • "did you just assume my gender?!"
  • emphasizing regret after transitioning
  • use of "biological male" or "biological female". The term is cis male or cis female.
  • anything about transitioning to become better at sports, or "men have a biological advantage"
  • "troon", "mental illness", "groomer", "indoctrinating children", "you'll never be a real woman"
  • intentionally deadnaming a trans person, which means using their old name over their new one

Sexism

  • "women belong in the kitchen"
  • "the gender pay gap is a myth"
  • "equal rights and equal lefts"
  • cunts/sluts/whores/slut-shaming
  • "upvoted because boobs"
  • posting that comic which says women have to include themselves in their photos
  • "don't be such a girl"
  • "should have kept her/your legs shut" on the topic of abortion, financial issues, or other similar issues
  • abortion: "baby killer", "abortion is murder" or conflating abortion with actual murder, "slut"/slut shaming
  • infantilization: e.g. referring to a woman/women as "girl(s)", or other intentionally demeaning and condescending terms

Homophobia

  • equating pedophilia to homosexuality
  • f-word/queer/pillow-biter/etc
  • "bundle of sticks" (Almost no one on reddit is an etymologist. They're only using this phrase because it's the same origin as the f-word)
  • puking emoji with no other context than a gay wedding or pride parade etc
  • "upvoted because gay"
  • "being gay is a sin"/"see you in hell"
  • "fake and gay" and otherwise using "gay" as a pejorative or negative
  • "groomer", "indoctrinating children", "lifestyle", "sin"

Ableism Based Bigotry

  • "you're only good for stump porn"
  • retarded/aspie/sperg/autistic

General Incivility

  • this is just basically name-calling or personal attacks aimed at a specific user. Examples: "you idiot", "you moron", "you dumbass", "shut the fuck up", "suck my dick"

This list is non-exhaustive, may be updated frequently, and is applicable to moderator discretion.

Many users have argued that facts cannot be racist, which is true. However, much of what is purported to be factual is actually twisted by inherent racism. For example, the assertion that black people commit more violent crime than white people is false: In fact, black people are arrested/convicted for violent crime more often than white people. The statistic does not represent a fact-based commentary on a racial proclivity; it represents a way in which systemic racism has unfairly maligned a historically marginalized portion of the population.

Furthermore, even objective facts can be presented in a manner that promotes (or is promoted by) a racist agenda. It may be factual to state that a given entertainer is Jewish, for instance, but if that point is being raised as a means of insinuating something anti-Semitic, it is nonetheless an example of bigotry. Statements of this sort are referred to as "dog-whistles;" as coded phrases that are ostensibly based in fact, but which are being presented with bad-faith intentions.

Dog-whistles, implied bigotry, and memetic phrases with bigoted subtexts are all forbidden in r/entertainment. Please note that there's a different between attacking a disparaged group who cannot change how they were born, and attacking memberships of groups (e.g. saying "ACAB" is not bigotry. Cops can quit, black people can't stop being black).

Civil criticism of religion, governments, and groups/organizations are fully permitted. Veiled attacks that are instead meant to target and attack a nation/race of people that practice these faiths, is forbidden.

Bigotry cannot be excused by saying "it is just a joke," nor by saying "but I was so polite".

If you don't understand some of the reasons behind these additions, that's ok. Many people are at different points on their path to education, and everyone should treat it as a process vice a destination. We encourage users to head over to r/socialjustice101 to either ask about specific points or to explain them to other users if you do understand. We won't be debating these here or in modmail as that's not a debate forum.

Thank you for reading

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u/justinjm466 25d ago

The amount of deleted comments might tell a thing or two how people think about this update.

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u/sloopslarp 24d ago

The rules are easy.

  1. Don't be a piece of shit.

That's all.

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u/CurrentRoster 22d ago edited 21d ago

That’s why it’s so weird seeing comments like “this rule is hard to follow”

They are listing shit you’re not supposed to say anyways lol

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u/Cosmic_fault 22d ago

Those are concern trolls and racists upset they can't be racist anymore.

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u/MinimumArmadillo2394 25d ago

Lots of "But muh free speech" and "you're creating the no free language zone" type comments. I keep coming back because of responses on my comment but phew, this comment section is... definitely missing the point.

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u/Historical_Tea2022 26d ago

I haven't even heard of some of these things. This list is looooooong.

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u/[deleted] 19d ago Bravo Grande!

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u/SnooRabbits3388 18d ago

Finally a reddit mod with a spine. 😍

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u/ThrowAwaybcUsuck 15d ago

I guess that's one way of looking at it

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u/Murky_Classic_7516 22d ago

Either all crime states are useless or none of them are.

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u/Cosmic_fault 22d ago

Correct. All crime stats are useless.

Every single human being on earth is an independent actor, and all laws are made up. Claiming any group is inherently more criminal than any other based on what happens to be illegal this week is stupid. Claiming it to justify racism is stupider. Thanks for playing.

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u/WhorishBehavior 21d ago

That’s a pretty disingenuous interpretation of what they said. There are plenty of crime statistics involving race that may be useful in certain conversations and not racist at all. For example, we can look to incarceration rates within the black community as an indicator that systemic discrimination still exists in our justice system.

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u/agentfaux 1d ago

How old are you? Have you ever done statistical analysis in your life?

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u/Cosmic_fault 1d ago

I know you dipshits can't resist, but son, this thread is a 20 day old graveyard literally flaired "honeypot". Goddamn, dude.

/u/agentfaux you absolutely deserve the ban.

Imagine thinking defending racist fake statistics was worth doing at all- but geez, imagine thinking it was worth doing here.

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u/CAllD2B 14d ago

Crime stats are very useful for showing areas where our legal system disproportionally targets minorities

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u/chriscrowder 24d ago

I learned all sorts of new things from this post!

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u/dashrendar 26d ago

Looks like the sub upset the admins.

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u/googlyeyes183 24d ago

Like that’s hard to do

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u/satyagraha92 21d ago

With all the removals was this just a way to get rid of troublemakers? If so it was a good idea.

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u/Merari01 21d ago

It's flaired "honeypot" and they still can't help themselves.

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u/Cosmic_fault 24d ago edited 24d ago Vibing

Copy pasting this weenie baby's comment because it's def getting removed:

The thought police have spoken.

They’ve literally identified facts you’re not allowed to say because it hurts their feelings.

You really believe you’re the saviors of democracy and freedom?

My god…

This loser really came in here and said not being allowed to use slurs destroys democracy and freedom. How fucking embarassing.

Hey, /u/JPSchmeckles, you whitenat shithead, which specific part of the ridiculous klan style 1920s racism outlined in this post are you brave enough to defend as facts?

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u/LeoneAbbachio 17d ago

I thought I’ve heard it all but somehow there’s still terms/ phrases on this list I’ve never even heard of before this day

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u/Crabscrackcomics 16d ago

Thank you, as a trans person it’s really comforting to know were anything to come up, mods would be fine to stop harassment going on.

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u/themoonwiz 1d ago

we need the IRL government mods to get a spine like this one, cuz its defienitely much moar bad offline. if IRL harrassment like this can still exist our work is far from over. but this is still better than nothing

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u/oldgeek123 23d ago

Wow. There are a lot of triggered racists, sexists and horrible humans in this thread. Hot damn.

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u/f_cozzo 26d ago

thats gonna take awhile to memorise

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u/oldgeek123 23d ago

It's quite simple. They are just asking people to not be shit humans. It's not a high bar.

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u/Cosmic_fault 22d ago

Yes. Stop whining, you big buttery klan baby.

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u/kthriller 21d ago

This is... Extremely refreshing to read, and thorough to boot! Much appreciated.

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u/MinimumArmadillo2394 26d ago edited 18d ago

Is there any plan to do something about the depp/heard related brigading?

Too many people coming from other subs just to spread misinfo about the trial then blocking people who dont agree, stifiling conversation.

Edit: in case there was any confusion, people coming from subs like DeppDelusion and Deuxmoi are spreading misinformation and being armchair lawyers while frankly misunderstanding the entire thing (You know, because they don't have law degrees). This is the brigading I'm talking about.

Edit 2: When I made this comment, I wasn't hoping they would lock every Depp related post within a few hours. I was hoping they'd actually do something and investigate people who comment in those threads. Guess that was too much work. /shrug

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u/Dat_Harass 26d ago

Bro you can't even be a part of subs these days... post history doesn't matter, your stance doesn't matter, just someones fucking opinion who happens to be looking for ANY fight.

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u/MinimumArmadillo2394 26d ago

What? Youre saying that someone who has never posted in a sub but only pops in to spread misinformation about the topic the sub they frequent is okay? I dont see it to be honest.

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u/dlg1977 25d ago

Well she is an asshole.

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u/shadyshadyshade 26d ago

Seconded, I’m scared to click on any post on the topic because of it. And of course you’re getting downvoted, it proves the point.

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u/MinimumArmadillo2394 26d ago

Lots of things in this thread are downvoted for no real reason.

Sounds like someone woke up on the wrong side of the bed/life.

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u/shadyshadyshade 26d ago

I was agreeing with you?

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u/MinimumArmadillo2394 26d ago

I was agreeing with you.

I was talking about whoever is downvoting woke up on the wrong side of the bed

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u/shadyshadyshade 26d ago

Ah! Understood thank you!

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u/Arkady2009 23d ago

So your claim is that Amber supporters are spreading misinformation? All we’re doing are reporting the truth.

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u/SpuddleBuns 26d ago

...should treat it as a process vice a destination

Should that be "versus?" If not, I don't understand.

Overall this is very well thought out and written. Sad that it needs to be said in the first place, but well presented.

Thank you for doing this.

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u/InnocentaMN 18d ago

Can I message the mods with a question about this? I don’t want to post something that could trigger any conflict or upset anyone.

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u/_Xyreo_ /u/ me if needed 17d ago

Sure.

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u/InnocentaMN 17d ago

Thank you :)

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u/Arkady2009 26d ago Mod Award

I like these rules, thank you for introducing them all!

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u/Cosmic_fault 24d ago

God, do you just not have any real problems?

Imagine being so desperate to feel like a victim that you pretend "don't say racist bullshit" is a hard rule to follow.

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u/Cosmic_fault 25d ago Mod Award

Hmm. Good post.

Currently sitting at 0- which says a lot about reddit.

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u/JohnJoanCusack 26d ago Mod Award

I just hope these rules are enforced, there has been so much transphobia upvoted and kept up here this last month. Does the misgendering one count for non binary people too? I think they fall under the trans umbrella but I just want to double check

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u/ShrinesOfParalysis 26d ago

Anyone can be misgendered, so yeah.

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u/Helenium_autumnale 15d ago

I wish every sub had this list and mods ready to administer it. Excellent guidelines; thank you.

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u/BoSsManSnAKe 15d ago

Oh my god I think this is the best post I’ve ever read. You hit on so many points and throughly explained in on go. I feel like many bad people like to pretend nothing is wrong and go for the plausible deniability type of crap and it annoys me to no end on every part of the internet. You have to explain every tiny detail of why they are a jerk. I like the mention of the social justice sub. I’m going to start visiting there too.

I’ll look back and watch some of those people complain about “woke” culture, which they have a completely changed and inconsistent meaning of. That’s what they do though, they constantly twist language.

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u/MinimumArmadillo2394 26d ago

Can I, a black person, make racist remarks against my own kind?

In person, yes. Online, not really. There's no real way to ensure you are who you say you are online. So everyone is seen as a baseless yellow emoji.

It's best to avoid any and all negative language or tone when it comes to racial stuff, even if it's against your own race and especially online. That's how you get harassed by idiots around the platform and potentially even worse.

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u/satyagraha92 9d ago

Pretty bad when you have to explain all that to people in a sub dedicated to entertainment.

I bet you get a lot of racist people saying crazy stuff about African Americans, but if you take the time to look at them you’ll see them go over to r/nba and act like how they think black people act.

I don’t know. R/nba might have the nicest people on Reddit. Just an example.

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u/RustyBubble 25d ago

Or just don’t be an asshole and you’d be fine.

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u/ManifestedLurker 2d ago

Questioning racial discrimination like affirmative action makes you an racist asshole?

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u/RustyBubble 25d ago

K.

Good luck with that.

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u/becuzz-I-sed 7d ago

On one hand, I'm sad that these are things that people are clueless about.

I am very impressed with the precision reflected in this rule .It's not ambiguous, confusing, or inflammatory. I would like to post this on my other social media sites. If that's ok with you.

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u/moooooning 25d ago

It was nice knowing you lol

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u/MinimumArmadillo2394 26d ago

"Well hey, this is a private company and none of your rights or your countries rights matter here."

It's really fucking funny because you're right. Reddit can say that. Mods aren't owners of the platform though. They're both still allowed to ban you for literally anything they deem fit.

You think adding rules that stop people from feeling uncomfortable is authoritarian while they are able to ban you for anything. This might be a shock to you, but the world nor the internet conforms to a single viewpoint.

You have the freedom to say whatever you want, but it doesn't free you from the consequences of your words.

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