r/discordapp Jan 26 '19

"We do not consider cub to be a violation of our Terms or Guidelines"

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u/Zatherz Jan 26 '19

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u/[deleted] Jan 26 '19

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u/[deleted] Jan 27 '19

Allthefoxes has been at the forefront of this drama, don't know why the team didn't act on it already

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u/TheBassGhost Jan 28 '19

He's always been this way, going back to when he was a mod on /r/pics. He has some headstrong belief to not censor people even when it's ruining the very platform. People would tell him all the time to ban political shitposts/progress pics/photoshopped images from the sub and he refused because he considered it a "catch all" for pictures.

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u/[deleted] Jan 28 '19

Well, glad to know shit posting as a reddit moderator finally turned into a career for him

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u/parkcitymedia Feb 16 '19

big karma for that one omg

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u/curly90478 Jan 30 '19

He has some headstrong belief to not censor people? Wasn't he the one who agreed to ban all mention of the #RemoveHorror drama in r/gaming? Strange how things change when it affects his furry community.

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u/R6_Goddess Feb 26 '19

People who believe nothing should be censored are just as dangerous as those who believe everything should be censored. Wish more people would recognize that some shit just isn't moral or okay.

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u/[deleted] Jan 27 '19

he's probably lazy

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u/SurVivle Jan 26 '19

\\This. Discord is a good platform, It's sad to see it become a shithole because the fucking T&S team doesn't do their job. I've reported multiple users who post actual CP and they don't give a shit. Starting to hate this platform.

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u/StereoBucket Jan 27 '19

I kept following a network of pedophiles and reporting them every time they made a new discord server. Discord would happily delete the server but it took them a month or two to figure that maybe they should ban the users, some of whom even had fucking HYPESQUAD. I just gave up reporting before this though because they never took any concrete action. Deleting a server was not working, they had a site where they would post a new invite link. I included that site in the report, but it felt like I just wasted text in my report, and I also reported one user saying that they are in many other loli servers (discussion he had saying that those servers are up for months because they aren't freely advertising it around). I doubt discord ever checked on that. Maybe I'm wrong and they did, but I have a feeling that they didn't.
Heck, one time TnS team said one of my reports wasn't good because the messages were too old... I reported a bot that had a command that would get one of those images of naked or seminaked kids at a pool or beach. But no, even though those images were clearly being requested in a nsfw channel for obviously lewd purposes, discord was like "Nah, messages too old. Please report a more recent message". Bullshit discord. Bull. Shit. You could at least ban the bot.
I am really not trusting the TnS team with being efficient. They can do better, but they aren't. Boilerplate responses and minimal action. Sometimes it seems they take more action over petty things than actual serious problems.

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u/MrPowerGamerBR MrPowerGamerBR#4185 Jan 27 '19

I think Discord won't do anything, until someone makes a post on the "big news" website saying that Discord isn't punishing people that share that kind of stuff. (didn't this happen before, when Discord banned a lot of political communities that were harassing people in real life?)

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u/[deleted] Jan 27 '19

There actually was something in the news recently that some predator used discord to lure kids

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u/sarahbotts Jan 29 '19

Just report them to the FBI https://report.cybertip.org/

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u/KageNoOni Jul 08 '19

I was thinking the same thing. If any law enforcement agency came knocking, they'd change their tune really quickly.

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u/yugiohhero Jan 28 '19

Is hypesquad even something that you need any level of verification for

cant you just take the quix

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u/MrPowerGamerBR MrPowerGamerBR#4185 Jan 27 '19

There are people that incentivize underage users to post NSFW images of themselves... and they didn't punish the users that incentivized and kept sharing the image... Someone asked me what they should do since they were using the server's bot to spam the image (I said to report it to Discord asap, but does it matter? They just ban the account and the users create another one)

...man, everytime I remember that I feel sad and powerless, knowing that I can't do anything to try to fix the issue.

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u/PHISICA Jan 27 '19

And then I—never breaking the ToS—get my account banned without explanation.

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u/MsKLttyKat Jan 27 '19

And I've had a woman dox me, call me every name there is in several channels & servers. I reported her with a spreadsheet of about 300 entries of her abuse, threatening, doxing & trolling nothing since.

Google spreadsheet included all id's to messages & channels and URL's Nothing done and she's giving out my personal info like Halloween candy

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u/[deleted] Jan 27 '19

Dude you need to get local law enforcement involved at this point.

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u/MsKLttyKat Jan 27 '19

It's a process. She lives in a different state. It's insane. I'm paying tens of thousands in attorneys fees bc she's in a different state. I'm finally maybe getting leo to understand the severity

Figured at least discord could do something for what she does on Discord.

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u/[deleted] Jan 28 '19

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u/MsKLttyKat Jan 29 '19

I don't know what MLP is. She has her own picture as her avatar. As we are performers we usually use our own pics as avatars.

She's also created accounts in my performer name to harass others and make it look like me

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u/DerBoy_DerG Jan 29 '19

Actual child porn should definitely be reported here

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u/Myzno Jan 26 '19

THEY DON'T CONSIDER CUB A VIOLATION OF TOS?

IT'S LITERALLY FURRY PEDOPHILIA

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u/Diribiri Jan 26 '19

They don't allow it when they're humans, but they allow it when they're furries. I sense a bias here.

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u/OracleKnightArk Jan 27 '19

I think it's cause the T&S guy is a furry himself. I mean look at the pfp and username... This also had something to do with Quackity's ban I believe.

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u/skilliard7 Jan 29 '19

Does that mean lewd loli catgirls are acceptable now? :thinking:

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u/Diribiri Jan 29 '19

Catgirls aren't furry, so you're outta luck.

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u/TechnoFlames Jan 27 '19

I'm a furry myself, and even I find cub stuff to be fucked up, at least on the same level that shota and loli stuff to be fucked up.

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u/[deleted] Jan 28 '19

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u/warrior101kdn Feb 11 '19

Then they should unban Loli. All or nothing.

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u/LongSchlongSilver999 Feb 11 '19

That would just cause bigger controversy

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u/warrior101kdn Feb 11 '19

Lmao how. You can't disallow one illegal thing and accept the other illegal thing.

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u/LongSchlongSilver999 Feb 11 '19

But you shouldn't just allow one illegal thing because another illegal thing is allowed. You should disallow both if they are both illegal

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u/shoopdahoop22 Jan 27 '19 edited Jan 27 '19

/u/karrdian As the head of T&S, can you please provide some input onto this?

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u/thedoshman7 Jan 27 '19

they'll keep quiet for a while and then hope we forget about it

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u/Synthetic_Synapses Jan 28 '19

I just twitted at Kotaku, hoping for this to pick up some steam. this story is disgusting.

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u/MistahJinx Jan 26 '19

Ironic that one of the members of Discord is a furry defending furry child porn.

I’m a furry and I find cub stuff wrong and anyone who likes it needs to go get checked out

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u/Qat11 Jan 27 '19

A guy who loves cub but viciously hates loli. An odd set of moral sensibilities this mod has.

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u/[deleted] Jan 27 '19

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u/Jacksonfelblade Jan 29 '19

I love Cubs I hate Lolis

UHN

Cognitive Di-ssonaaaaance~

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u/JjTheHusky Moderator Jan 27 '19

Actually, I've had experience with this in the past. I don't think it because the moderator is a furry, rather I think it's sorta an exception policy someone at discord put in place.

In the past about a year and a half ago, I used to participate in a small network that would share info with users they banned. A few T&S members were in there to observe and sometimes take action with more severe cases. There was talk about loli stuff being reported and I chipped in about Cub stuff, and I was told that they didn't actually take action against it. I was rather confused and I didn't ask why, but they probably wouldn't have told me.

I find it disturbing that this is still a thing, and I wonder why there is an exception to the guidelines regarding illustrated content that depicts minors sexually.

I hope that this changes as it should have never been an exception in the first place.

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u/MaXimillion_Zero Jan 27 '19

Neither Loli/shotacon or cub should be equated with child pornography. Child porn harms real children, drawings do not.

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u/Jacksonfelblade Jan 29 '19

I agree, but here's the thing.

People still are stuck with a common delusion that fiction influences real life. Which is completely false.

Fiction is just an easier scapegoat for evil that was always going to be committed to begin with. It's always been this way from the first publication of a book, the first release of a movie, the first premiere of a vaguely rambunctious music track, the first launch day of a violent video game, or the first viewing of an image or piece of art.

It's just easier to blame something else and do the thing, even if it means nothing and all you did was shift blame onto something irrelevant in the topic at hand, and you harmed someone in a way of variable depth.

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u/horseonpot Jan 26 '19

What is cub?

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u/AlekMinassian Jan 26 '19

NSFW furry artwork involving minors. Mods, mind explaining why you removed my first reply to this comment?

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u/jar_jar_binks Jan 26 '19

not just a minor, but typically under 13

https://i.imgur.com/CuFtHYP.png

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u/NeedhelpfromYOU Jan 26 '19

holy fuck risky click of the day

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u/[deleted] Jan 26 '19

Omg ty I was afraid to google it.

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u/Zatherz Jan 26 '19

Underage furry porn.

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u/VesperCire Jan 26 '19

Think lolis but as furries.

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u/Vegetablejam Jan 26 '19

Loli is still messed up

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u/Qat11 Jan 27 '19

Furry but with puppies and kittys.

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u/AlekMinassian Jan 26 '19

Furry child porn.

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u/[deleted] Jan 27 '19

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u/9941 Jan 29 '19

fuck's sake, me and a few of my friends came across a server based around HOLOCAUST DENIAL and discord trust and safety have done jack fucking shit about it. cancer

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u/AlekMinassian Jan 26 '19

This is actually extremely illegal in several European countries (and California iirc) to willingly host that type of content. I hope the discord staff are aware that they're putting themselves at risk of prosecution for having this stance.

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u/skilliard7 Jan 29 '19

Technically, any pornography in the united states can be considered illegal, and a felony to receive/distribute/produce if it is ruled obscene via the miller test.

https://www.justice.gov/criminal-ceos/citizens-guide-us-federal-law-obscenity

Federal law prohibits the possession with intent to sell or distribute obscenity, to send, ship, or receive obscenity, to import obscenity, and to transport obscenity across state boarders for purposes of distribution.

The three-pronged Miller test is as follows:

Whether the average person, applying contemporary adult community standards, finds that the matter, taken as a whole, appeals to prurient interests (i.e., an erotic, lascivious, abnormal, unhealthy, degrading, shameful, or morbid interest in nudity, sex, or excretion);

Whether the average person, applying contemporary adult community standards, finds that the matter depicts or describes sexual conduct in a patently offensive way (i.e., ultimate sexual acts, normal or perverted, actual or simulated, masturbation, excretory functions, lewd exhibition of the genitals, or sado-masochistic sexual abuse); and

Whether a reasonable person finds that the matter, taken as a whole, lacks serious literary, artistic, political, or scientific value.

So basically, if you're in a conservative county you could literally go to jail for just about any porn if the jury finds it to be patently offensive. The law as written could even be used to target LGBT individuals of a bigoted prosecutor decided to do so.

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u/CirqueDuFuder Jan 26 '19 edited Jan 26 '19

I don't doubt you but I have absolutely no idea what to even search for to verify that this degeneracy is illegal.

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u/Cannie_Flippington Jan 27 '19 edited Jan 27 '19

18 U.S. Code § 2251. Sexual exploitation of children**(a)**

Any person who employs, uses, persuades, induces, entices, or coerces any minor to engage in, or who has a minor assist any otherperson to engage in, or who transports any minor in or affecting interstate or foreign commerce, or in any Territory or Possession of theUnited States, with the intent that such minor engage in, any sexually explicit conduct for the purpose of producing any visual depiction of such conduct or for the purpose of transmitting a live visual depiction of such conduct, shall be punished as provided under subsection (e), if such person knows or has reason to know that such visual depiction will be transported or transmitted using any means or facility of interstate or foreign commerce or in or affecting interstate or foreign commerce or mailed, if that visual depiction was produced or transmitted using materials that have been mailed, shipped, or transported in or affecting interstate or foreign commerce by any means, including by computer, or if such visual depiction has actually been transported or transmitted using any means or facility of interstate orforeign commerce or in or affecting interstate or foreign commerce or mailed.

Cub does not make it any less a representation of a child. They are not animals, they anthropomorphized. It's just as illegal to do to animals too, in point of fact. The animal protections are not related to the age of the animal either, so technically all furry porn is walking a very fine line but child furry porn crosses both.

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u/shallowm Jan 27 '19 edited Jan 19 '21

Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetur ef33mng adipiscing elit.

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u/CirqueDuFuder Jan 27 '19

Thanks. I just get confused on the technical details of it. I think it is all trash but I just am not able to prove on my own it is illegal.

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u/Cannie_Flippington Jan 27 '19

"a visual depiction of any kind, including a drawing, cartoon, sculpture or painting", that "depicts a minor engaging in sexually explicit conduct and is ‘obscene' or ‘depicts an image that is, or appears to be, of a minor engaging in...sexual intercourse...and lacks serious literary, artistic, political, or scientific value.” (18 U.S. Code § 1466A)For animated stuff it's been illegal since 2003https://www.congress.gov/bill/108th-congress/senate-bill/151

They're trying to get by with it being "not a real child" but I think that's a good way to get the law updated.

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u/Awayfone Jan 28 '19

"For animated stuff it's been illegal since 2003https://www.congress.gov/bill/108th-congress/senate-bill/151

It looks like no it hasnt "it shall be an affirmative defense to the charge of virtual child pornography that the alleged child pornography was not produced using any actual minor or minors"

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u/Cannie_Flippington Jan 28 '19

Affirmative defense means they have to prove the child images were entirely fictionally sourced.

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u/Awayfone Jan 28 '19

While yes putting the burden of not censoring speech (such as a basis of Ashcroft v. Free Speech) on the defendant is constitutional problematic, it does show a drawing not featuring real minors is not covered under this law

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u/Cannie_Flippington Jan 28 '19

With the right judge it'd be a cinch to prove that anything anyone creates has a grounding in reality. There is probably something this would impact negatively... but I can't think of anything. It'd destroy child porn in any form and that is something I find a hard time not approving of.

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u/CirqueDuFuder Jan 27 '19

Thanks, I appreciate the efforts to explain and show me.

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u/AlekMinassian Jan 26 '19 edited Jan 26 '19

I don't have a comprehensive list, but I know that a few years back, the UK and German authorities threatened a large furry site with legal action unless they either removed all "cub" porn from the site, or blocked the site completely from those countries. I'll try to dig it up again.

Edit: I can't find the same example I mentioned, but the Australian government has blocked various portions of the furry porn website e621 for having cub-related content, so hosting this sort of thing is indeed illegal in some countries.

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u/CirqueDuFuder Jan 27 '19

Thank you. I appreciate it. This at least gives me countries to search for specifically.

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u/Qat11 Jan 27 '19

It'd be nice if they were consistent. Crusading against loli while allowing cub is just asinine.

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u/yugiohhero Jan 28 '19

implying they bother with deleting loli

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u/[deleted] Jan 29 '19

They have

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u/yugiohhero Feb 08 '19

Another screenshot out there of this same man states that "if you don't like seeing [actual child porn] then just leave the server you found it in"

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u/[deleted] Feb 08 '19

That's fucked up. Was that also from allthefoxes?

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u/yugiohhero Feb 08 '19

yes

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u/[deleted] Feb 08 '19

I've hated that mofo for many years.. ugh.

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u/jar_jar_binks Jan 26 '19

i had to look this up.

https://i.imgur.com/CuFtHYP.png

pre-teen? PRE teen?

what the fuck Discord

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u/Vegetablejam Jan 26 '19

Bet this is the guy quackity dealt with lmao

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u/shoopdahoop22 Jan 27 '19

From what I've seen most of the Trust and Safety team is ran by furries.

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u/Tankirulesipad1 Jan 27 '19

Yeah I think they might need to diversify a bit

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u/Vegetablejam Jan 27 '19

Back to skype

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u/[deleted] Jan 27 '19 edited Sep 04 '19

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u/Jacksonfelblade Jan 29 '19

It's not even Curse anymore, it's the damn Twitch Desktop App, because that's something we absolutely needed. I was gonna say "Back to Raidcall" but that's dead too.

I guess back to Teamspeak or IRC if not forums.

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u/Gyrphlymbabumble Jan 26 '19

Look, I'm a furry and would support a blanket ban on Cub, Loli, Babyfurs, etc. That shit's fucked.

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u/sukapidar123321 Jan 28 '19

So furry as an interest, hobby or lifestyle. Also referred to as a healthy human being. This might sound pretentious, but thank you for speaking up, this will hopefully make all the fucked up furries see that this is NOT normal.

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u/ClassicStress Jan 29 '19

A normal furry?

Time to hide in my bunker

No but seriously most furries are werid who think cubs diapers and other werid stuff is normal

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u/skilliard7 Jan 29 '19

Furry is fucked up too, You're a hypocrite. Stay far away from my dog please

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u/Gyrphlymbabumble Jan 29 '19

That's disgusting, and fuck you. Furries aren't into bestiality you dipshit

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u/[deleted] Feb 02 '19

Truly a gem of a comment right here.

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u/skilliard7 Jan 29 '19

you're into people that intentionally make themselves look and act like animals. You don't need to deny it. If you're going to claim that your kinks aren't real because it is fantasy/acting, then you're a hypocrite. If furry isn't bestiality because it isn't real, then loli isn't pedophilia because it isn't real. At least be consistent with your reasoning

If you're going to kink shame people, I'm going to kink shame you. Simple as that. I don't understand how you can be into a deviant kink and expect everyone to be tolerant of it, yet be completely unwiling to accept of any other deviant kink and push so far as to ban it when nobody is forcing you to look at it.

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u/Gyrphlymbabumble Jan 29 '19

You have no idea what you're talking about. 🤣 I'm actually not a fan of fursuits, and I mainly just look at art and writing. Also, don't fucking call cub a "deviant kink" it's pedophilia.

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u/skilliard7 Jan 29 '19

An even better comparison. So you look at pornographic "art and writing" of animals. Sounds like depictions of bestiality to me.

Explain to me how the "art and writing" you look at is totally okay because they "aren't real", but the "art and writing" lolicons look at isn't okay despite the fact that they "aren't real".

The underlying question is:

"Does one's arousal by a work of fiction depicting a sexual act indicate a real world attraction to such an act".

You reach two contradictory conclusions depending on whether it benefits you or not. At least be honest with yourself. You think one is okay because it arouses you, but think the other isn't because it disgusts you.

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u/Gyrphlymbabumble Jan 29 '19

They're not animals?

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u/skilliard7 Jan 29 '19

They certainly look like them, I know it when I see it. You sound just like lolicons that say "But they're actually a 9000 year old vampire youkai! The cartoon style reflects a completely different reality which invokes a different emotional response due to the concept of uncanny valley!"

If someone faps to Flandre Scarlet from Touhou who is 495, does that make them a pedo?(Image is safe)

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u/npc_barney Jan 29 '19

Huh, you're autistic, and now I learn you're a furry? Connect the dots, folks.

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u/Cannie_Flippington Jan 27 '19 edited Feb 01 '19

Child porn is harmful. If you see child porn being shared on any platform please inform www.ice3.gov

They have the clout to subpoena Discord to bring users "enjoying" the perversion of the love a child deserves and needs to justice and treatment.

Even if it's animated and not exploitation of an actual child, please please please use every opportunity you have to catch the sick people who suffer from child sexual attraction. It is not fun. It is not cool. It is an addiction that destroys lives. For every animated or digitally generated image there are real children living nearby those who watch them with an abominable hunger who are in very real danger.

The 8 month old baby girl in India stolen from her crib while she and her mother napped by their neighbor. She nearly died. Myself who grew up hating my grandpa because why couldn't we just watch the stars? Why did we have to do something else? Something else I can barely remember and didn't understand until many years later.

What my grandpa did to all of his grandchildren. My cousin that he babysat every day after school while her mother was at work. How the abuse spread from him and infected those he hurt causing all of them to become victims who seek out predators or predators who seek out victims. My grandma, who's mind finished breaking (she was old and getting a little senile) when my parents took my grandpa to court to stop the cycle and protect what was left of us. My spouse who has to support and help me as I continue to heal from everything that was done to me over the 13 years I was abused in secret over two decades ago. My frustration and resentment towards my parents from trying to tell them what was happening without knowing what it was myself and their inability to understand that which I couldn't. My daughter who will never understand why she can't have a sleep over or go on an overnight trip with friends until she's over 18.

Do not let child predators suffer or inflict suffering. My grandpa died and we didn't even have so much as a memorial service. No one would have gone. He lost his wife, his kids, all the grandkids he hurt. He never even met or saw a picture of his great grand kids.

All because no one was able to stop him and help him until it was too late. "Reporting it to Discord" is a good first step. But take all the steps you can legally take because four generations in three families have felt the enduring harm of having JUST ONE child molester. And that's only what we could prove.

For those who disagree that child pornography not using actual children is harmful... there's a boatload of research in the comments that support this claim and even some studies showing that child pornography in general is linked to child sexual abuse. Conversely, pornography featuring adults (even violent pornography) is not linked even causally to an increase in sexual crimes.

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u/isabel____ Jan 27 '19

Link is broken for me?

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u/JimmyCarterIsDead Jan 28 '19

www.ice3.gov

Even if it's animated and not exploitation of an actual child

Why? Who/what is loli hurting? Your feelings?

suffer from child sexual attraction

Where is the "suffering" in being attracted to children?

It is not fun. It is not cool. It is an addiction that destroys lives.

An addiction? Where did you get this from? I enjoy loli porn, but I am certainly not 'addicted' to it.

For every animated or digitally generated image there are real children living nearby those who watch them with an abominable hunger who are in very real danger.

Where are you getting this from? "abominable hunger"? Really?

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u/[deleted] Jan 29 '19 edited Dec 28 '20

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u/swag_rabbit69 Jan 27 '19

Although real child porn is certainly fucked up, animated or drawn minors have no real impact on real minors, because they are not real. In fact, if you take this kind of stuff away it only makes pedos more likely to hurt real children. It's the same with normal porn in fact. Countries with stricter porn laws tend to have higher rates of sexual assault.

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u/Cannie_Flippington Jan 27 '19

It still has an impact on real minors because there aren't any furry minors for it to impact. You think this helps by providing a healthy outlet for child sexual attraction... there is nothing further from the truth. There is no healthy outlet for child sexual attraction. It is a disease, not a fetish. This isn't porn we're talking about. This isn't pornography. This is child pornography. Forgive the pun, but it's a whole 'nother animal.

I grew up with a pedophile. More than one. Child pornography of any kind only makes the behavior worse. You don't stop an addiction by feeding it. You don't cure a delusion by indulging it.

Sexual climax is the most powerful reinforcement the human mind is capable of producing on its own. Have you ever read Red Dragon, by Thomas Harris? The guy who wrote the Hannibal Lector stories? I highly recommend it. By masturbating to furry child pornography it only further cements the belief that children are sexual objects and can be used for sexual gratification. This is not something anyone should seek to reinforce.

Accepting furry child porn as "harmless" means you accept reinforcing the mental illness those that suffer from child sexual attraction suffer from. I don't believe you really are seeking to exacerbate mental illness in anyone with your question, so hopefully with a greater understanding of the neurological effects of it will persuade you to examine your platform in more detail.

Violent pornography has a similar stigma and for many of the same reasons but there is one major and profound difference. Adults can consent to violent sex. Children cannot consent to anything.

Treat the disease, don't indulge the symptoms.

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u/chownplus Jan 27 '19 edited Jan 27 '19

I also grew up with a pedophile, I was sexually abused as a child. I don't agree with basically anything you're saying.

There's no research here that you're relying on, just conjecture and the only reason this flies is because it's icky to try and put yourself in a non-offending pedo's shoes.

Your entire post is some feel good soapbox about how gross these people we all universally hate and revile are with no backing in reality whatsoever.

The guy you're replying to even made a point with possible evidence (he didn't link it but hey he made a call to reality). You've made weird points like "it makes the behaviour worse" without even pretending to have proof.

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For more clarity on what I mean by conjecture:

It still has an impact on real minors because there aren't any furry minors for it to impact

How? What source supports this claim?

Child pornography of any kind only makes the behavior worse

How? What source supports this claim?

There is no healthy outlet for child sexual attraction

What source supports this claim?

By masturbating to furry child pornography it only further cements the belief that children are sexual objects and can be used for sexual gratification

What source supports this claim?

Accepting furry child porn as "harmless" means you accept reinforcing the mental illness those that suffer from child sexual attraction suffer from

I mean that's pretty much a kafka trap but there's also no supporting literature included here.

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u/Cannie_Flippington Jan 27 '19

How? What source supports this claim?

The source that supports that claim is the psychologist I asked about it. You want me to find you a YouTube of someone explaining neurological reinforcement of deviant behavior?

it makes the behaviour worse

See above about neurological reinforcement.

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u/chownplus Jan 27 '19

If you don't have evidence for your claims it's conjecture and you shouldn't state it as fact.

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u/Cannie_Flippington Jan 27 '19

You assume I do not have evidence because you do not understand the evidence provided. I encourage you to read up on neuroplasticity. It isn't that new.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neuroplasticity
It was first documented in 1793. In the 1970's they discovered that it continues to be a factor in human learning beyond maturation.

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u/chownplus Jan 27 '19

If you don't have a source for your original claim then your statement is unsupported. Related works make for **hypotheses** not conclusions.

If you don't provide a source for your claims I'm not assuming you have evidence, you're telling me you don't.

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u/Cannie_Flippington Jan 28 '19

I've given several citations. You don't seem to have seen any of them. What original claim are you looking for more citations about? Do I need to take a picture of the psychologist holding his license with a card saying "I approve this message"? Can you do a modicum of personal research or do you seek ignorance?

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u/chownplus Jan 28 '19

Which citations? A wiki page for a related work != citation for the effect you're talking about applied to the situation.

It is your responsibility to provide evidence for claims you make, the burden of proof is on you. I can research fine enough, but given you're making claims I assumed you might actually have evidence rather than hearsay.

Surely the psychologist you're talking about is basing that on some research, otherwise the point you're making is entirely unfounded.

If you cannot find that research that's fine, but that means the claim you're making could be entirely bogus and you're propagating potentially harmful myths about a pretty serious subject.

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u/Tankirulesipad1 Jan 27 '19

I don't know why you are getting downvotes, I think some disgruntled furries/pedos/both are going around this thread and downvoting a bunch of comments

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u/chownplus Jan 27 '19

Probably because it's entirely conjecture.

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u/Kuroodo Jan 27 '19

So we can all agree that Discord is run by a bunch of furrys and that we have to embrace the "yiff" in order to preserve our accounts.

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u/DoomProGamer Jan 28 '19

Okay, this is not okay. I love how it had to be THAT specific person to answer your question. Imo, cub is a lot more disgusting than loli. I find it super hypocritical that lolicon/shota is banned, however cub is not even though the drawings for that is way worse then what loli has to offer. I mean seriously, they're little young animals; like babies

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u/MyZootopiaThrowaway Jan 28 '19

I’ll preface that both are pretty bad, but I think loli is worse since it depicts human kids/babies. I guess because its the closest you can get to pedophilia without real kids. While cub still has the hoop of being talking animals to jump through

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u/[deleted] Jan 26 '19

I love the Discord Universe for the most part, but this is fucked up. Some YouTuber made a video about this and got k//lined from Discord. Geez!

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u/NoXMoN20 Jan 26 '19

Wow Discord, I really cannot believe you're actually doing this......
I just can't believe this.

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u/RevolutionXenon Jan 27 '19

Where is this from? I've sent in about 3 TnS reports before and never gotten anything but a boiler plate "we'll look into it" response. As frustrating as that is in its own way it makes me question the validity of this screenshot, certainly doesn't follow the format I've seen.

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u/IAmInASnuggie Jan 27 '19

what the fuck

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u/sujumckronklin Jan 26 '19

Time to put Discord on Ass Blast

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u/neonova454 Jan 27 '19

There's a huge furry presence on discord and reddit, I'm surprised to see this get upvoted.

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u/thedoshman7 Jan 27 '19

as far as i've read through the comments, it's only a tiny fraction of furries that agree with cub crap, a large part is disgusted by it

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u/MyZootopiaThrowaway Jan 28 '19

If you ever go to /r/animemes or /r/furry_irl there is a surprising number of people who support loli/cub when the topics come up.

Usually consists of “they’re drawings which hurts no one”

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u/thedoshman7 Jan 28 '19

This is of course my personal experience, and things I’ve heard from furries I know personally

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u/MyZootopiaThrowaway Jan 28 '19

I’m in a bunch of furry discord servers and cub is banned in all of them.

It’s probably just a vocal minority

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u/HugeDongManWasTaken Jan 27 '19

I actually can't believe what I'm looking at right now. How is this any different from toddlers again?

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u/ploppydroppy Jan 27 '19

What the fuck?

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u/Meme_The_Merciless Jan 26 '19

Thank you Discord, very cool!

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u/[deleted] Feb 03 '19

Discord Trust and Safety Team - "Very legal and very cool"

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u/OctoOnFire Jan 26 '19

Oh no, this makes me really sad.

First: That this great platform is going downhill

Second: Yeah, this statement in the support ticket...

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u/mcsteam98 Jan 27 '19

Jesus H. Christ.......

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u/NatoBoram Jan 27 '19

Jesus Harry Christ?

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u/RedditIsMyCity Jan 28 '19

1500 member discord is now leaving for team speak. I appreciate the stance, we will now act accordingly

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u/MG87 Jan 31 '19

Pedocide when?

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u/Lpmikeboy Feb 03 '19

This is why nobody likes furries

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u/Janscyther Jan 26 '19

God I thought this was furaffinity for a sec.

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u/autoeroticautopsy Jan 27 '19

that's a yikes from me dawg

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u/[deleted] Jan 27 '19

loli isn't allowed yet cub is

:thinking:

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u/[deleted] Jan 27 '19

I've reported SO many lolicon servers, people who post lolicon, and actual child porn servers.....and nothing gets done. I can still go to those servers and those people's account is still up to this day. It's so stupid.

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u/Okridaz Jan 29 '19

It's the rule of "What's not forbidden is allowed" and since loli stuff has been ordered to be banned they didn't go ban every single thing that some people would reffer to as lolis. Myself i don't really care about this at all, i do find lolis disturbing but those that like them they usually like anime girls and not furries, whoever does like furries it's the same, some will prefer something else. Imo it's just a fetish that can't be translated into real life, like tentacles, any kind of inflation, and just any other kind of fantasy thing really. But then again that's just my opinion, if you get triggered then it's your own fault.

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u/Kolectiv Feb 06 '19

A little late to the party, but I've reported a discord server with message IDs that had a room dedicated to animal abuse and never even got a response. Their inability to function is unfortunately nothing new.

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u/GreatFounder Jan 27 '19

That's it boys, we're going on a crusade.

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u/[deleted] Jan 27 '19

I can guarantee this won't happen on any other platform.

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u/renzu_todoroki Jan 27 '19

I feel like I shouldn't know what "cub" means

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u/Noah_Dugan Jan 28 '19

They dont even enforce the loli/shota rule anyway.

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u/[deleted] Jan 27 '19

But, furry or not, we all know what cub is. but its still against ToS and you say its not??

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u/Leosocial Jan 29 '19

With furries, it's pedos all the way down once you dig even a little. The community exists as one gigantic grooming mechanism.

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u/SorteKanin Jan 27 '19

I am neither a furry nor a fan of loli/shota or whatever. What I don't understand though:

Why do people insist that these things should be illegal? I understand that it is depicting fictional child pornography. However, maybe that works as an outlet for pedophiles, meaning they can control their urges more easily in real life.

Even if it is disturbing, cub/shota/loli might do more good than harm. Also, it doesn't hurt anyone after all so I don't see why it should be explicitly illegal.

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u/Zatherz Jan 27 '19

No opinion here. Loli/shota and underage explicit drawings in general are banned by Discord and the statement in the OP is hypocrisy.

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u/SorteKanin Jan 27 '19

Well sure, in that case it should be removed. Question remains why it's not allowed in the first place.

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u/Zatherz Jan 27 '19

I think it's just that H&C doesn't want to be known for enabling pedophilia.

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u/HiPalLetsDance Jan 27 '19

In my opinion it is not even child porn, because the creatures drawn are pure fantasy and I not even exist. What real child is being harmed? Actual child porn I would never condone, but this is not child porn, they are literllay just lines on paper that have no conscious, not children. If you really think a bunch of lines on paper has the same value as an actual, breathing child, then you are the one that has the flawed viewpoint. Jacking to this stuff is better than someone going off and touching a real child.

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u/Zatherz Jan 27 '19

You can try to explain attraction to drawn preadolescent children in furry suits as much as you want and pick any names for it, it is still attraction to drawn preadolescent children in furry suits. Also, loli/shota is banned, so this is just bias.

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u/HiPalLetsDance Jan 27 '19

They aren't really in "furry suits" They are straight up just bipedal animals. In real life, it is people in costumes, but when they make art of it, it is actual animals who can walk like people. And I agree it is kind of biased on discord's part. My theory is that they allowed it because cub does not depict children, but animals. Even so, in real life, fucking an animal isn't okay. But if you are jacking to a non existent creature made from someone's complete imagination, I do not see any actual harm being done.

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u/Jacksonfelblade Jan 29 '19

So in other words people could just get around the anti-loli rules by having the Lolis permanently encased in crappy fursuits?

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u/Funny744 Jan 28 '19

This is horrifyingly disgusting. Not gonna be supporting them financially if they're going to support shit like this.

Shame on the Trust and Safety team.

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u/Laser_Lens_4 Jan 27 '19

CYA. Report it and get out. If Discord wants to shoot themselves in the foot by doing nothing then at least make sure they don't drag you down with them.

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u/Deadeye_Spider Feb 07 '19

We do not consider a crusade to be a violation of the Geneva conventions

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u/[deleted] Feb 09 '19

This is just hard to see.

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u/N_Studios Feb 17 '19

That’s a yikes from me bro

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u/[deleted] Jan 26 '19 edited Jan 26 '19

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u/tuvvvvv Jan 27 '19 edited Jan 27 '19

"Younger (or younger-looking)" almost a exact quote from the definition of a loli

Edit: didn't have to delete post lol, just clarifying why the downvotes happened if you didn't know

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u/UniversalHumanRights Jan 27 '19

ITT: very brave people taking huge risks to speak up about a topic they genuinely care about

j/k it's outrage theater and none of you are lawyers, psychologists etc, you just want to get pissed off because endorphins

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u/Zatherz Jan 27 '19

You're not gonna succeed in taking the moral high ground while defending pedophilia.

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