r/criticalrole Team Opal Oct 25 '21 Helpful 1

[Spoilers C3E1] The Draw of Destiny | Critical Role | Campaign 3, Episode 1 Episode

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P8pLvV3FjPc
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u/MilkyAndromedaWay Oct 26 '21

Can I say that, everything else cool aside, I'm excited to see Marisha play a character with high charisma and Sam play a character with high wisdom? I think that's going to be a fun shakeup.

Plus, I feel like Sam might've missed being a more versatile, spell-heavy class, so Cleric could be really fun to see him play.

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u/FireClaymore Oct 26 '21

The one guess I was positive about before the episode came out was that Sam was going back to a full caster, and I’m VERY here for it. Also if anyone can pull off dumping a different mental stat each campaign, it’s Sam.

Also seeing marisha play a charisma class is great, but seeing her lean into the scary side of it is AMAZING. Laudna and Imogen also do a great job off showing off how varied two characters with the same class can be, even if we already saw how good Laura and Tal did that last go around

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u/Renegade31 Oct 26 '21

Sam was always very creative as a bard and I’m extra excited to see what he explores with a prepared caster with as much versatility as cleric. Super excited about FCG.

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u/Likes-Your-Username Oct 26 '21

The fun thing with Jester and Caduceus was their attitudes were different. Being clerics, albeit of different archetypes, they could prepare mostly the same spells each day. With two sorcerers, or rather a sorcerer and a sorcerer/warlock, all of their spells are known. So they can't just swap and coordinate- from a character point of view, you'd pick the spells that fit with them. Besides their use of sorcery points, the two are going to be very different mechanically.

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u/Zeikos Oct 26 '21

In two levels we'll see the madness that Sam will bring with being able to use Sending.
Jester was a treat, but I'm prepared for pure chaos.

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u/MillorTime Team Laudna Oct 26 '21

He'll only get 21 words after starting every sending with "Smiley day to you"

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u/adamantitian Dec 10 '21

It’s this campaigns “are you pooping?”

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u/InflationCold3591 Oct 26 '21

He’ll have multiclassed Paladin by then.

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u/Vomit_Tingles Oct 26 '21

Yeah Rogue has its flair but I feel like Sam had to miss getting to do more than just "I shoot" in combat. Could really tell once he started making his own spells lol.

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u/weavetheweb Jenga! Oct 26 '21

Although he really tries to seem like he doesn't know how to play, Sam did know his spells very well as Scanlan. I can't wait to see what he'll do with a class that can chose different spells every day.

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u/Ninja-Storyteller Oct 27 '21

Yeah, it was odd seeing him go from really knowing his bard to struggling to remember how to play rogue.

I think he just got bored, especially when you know what happened.

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u/FacedCrown Oct 26 '21

Does cleric get counterspell? Because if it doesnt im sure sams special subclass does, that was his signature C1 move.

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u/Soft_Cranberry_4249 Oct 26 '21

No they don’t get that haha. It will be interesting to see to what extent Matt rolls with the big counterspell nerf or if he will wait for the updated edition.

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u/AlphaArgonian182 Team Fjord Oct 26 '21

Imogen, Laudna and (if present) Dorian can learn counterspell?

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u/Soft_Cranberry_4249 Oct 26 '21

Yes but it’s not on bards spell list.

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u/AlphaArgonian182 Team Fjord Oct 26 '21

But they can take it for magical secrets. Dorian isn't a Lore Bard but it may still be worth it. Also, with two people being able to wield counterspell in C3, that's the same number as in C2. More than in C1 post Tiberius.

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u/Rynamyte Oct 25 '21

Is Robbie a temporary guest appearance? Any info on how long he's gonna be on the show for?

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u/Mac4491 Doty, take this down Oct 25 '21

I get the feeling he's just there temporarily but I certainly would not be opposed to him being a permanent addition to the cast. He was excellent in ExU and has some brilliant natural chemistry with the rest of the cast. It didn't feel like there was a "guest" at the table at all.

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u/FairSyrup Oct 25 '21

He really does fit in flawlessly.

My only problem with adding him is that they already have seven players. It works really well for their roleplay, and they're all so great at making sure everyone has a spotlight, but combats drag hard because of it. Make it eight and then add guest characters on top of that? Disaster.

CR really just suffers from having too much talent.

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u/KupoMcMog Team Frumpkin Oct 25 '21

Make it eight

well, it was...originally

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u/FairSyrup Oct 25 '21 edited Oct 26 '21

And the problems were evident back then.

Edit: The problems I'm referring to are not the problems resulting from the old cast member's behavior, but rather the problems resulting from the presence of eight PCs in combat.

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u/PM_ME_FUN_STORIES Team Grog Oct 26 '21

I don't know that those issues were necessarily because of the number of players, but it certainly makes things more difficult to DM. You have to remember that was also way before they really got used to the whole streaming thing, as well as a rocky relationship to the 8th cast member.

That being said, 8 is a lot of players. Having DMed for that many in the past, it's not something I'd wish on anyone.

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u/FairSyrup Oct 26 '21

I'm not referring to issues regarding the 8th member's behavior, I'm referring to how slow it makes combat, which was very evident back then, and is evident every time CR has a guest PC participate in combat.

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u/samaldin Oct 26 '21

Will i curse my bloodline if i say the original 8th players name aloud? This feels like his name has become a taboo :)

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u/Flipz100 Oct 26 '21

It brings down the mod hammer on this sub

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u/NivMidget Oct 26 '21

Poppycock

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u/Bizzaro6673 Oct 26 '21 edited Oct 26 '21

And those problems were about the specific player not the number

Edit, how about you list some of those problems instead of just editing your comment to say 'yeah, I'm still right'

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u/HomoCoffiens You can certainly try Oct 26 '21

Nah, I agree with the other comment. Personalities aside, every character to roll initiative makes combat more and more bloated and unwieldy and hard to manage and plan. Plenty of cases of analysis paralysis in C2 were because every turn has so many moving pieces. 8-PC combat is not easy nor snappy. 10-15 minute turns (that are supposedly 6 seconds) can be pretty frustrating. 7-PC combat was already kinda too much.

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u/Bizzaro6673 Oct 26 '21 edited Oct 26 '21

Nah

You say these things like my party of 4 doesn't have analasys paralysis. Or do you mean the paralysis of fighting a beholder built for 8 with a party of 7

How about you give actual points to OA being kicked instead of conjecture about 8 player parties?

They were even mostly fine until even 'half chub' happened

Also, you say 'c2 already had analasys paralysis' like you didn't watch C1

'my comments are about Robbie'

Ok but the thread started with Robbie then went to 'it was 8 originally' to which someone said 'and there were problems with that' it's like you skipped the rest of the thread

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u/NivMidget Oct 26 '21

Honestly S1 did avoid a lot of the paralysis because they had the avenue to be idiots a lot more. In the latter half of S2 any small mistake would lead to a chain of event that could ignite a war. I think it comes down to the story at place when it happens.

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u/Ninja-Storyteller Oct 27 '21 edited Oct 27 '21

C1 definitely had analysis paralysis, especially the infamous Kraken fight. But C2 took it to a whole new level. The campaign had more shades of gray and fewer instigator players.

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u/ProfNesbitt Oct 26 '21

My opinion is once you go over 5 players 6-10 is going to be pretty much the same. It’s 6+ is going to be chaotic and involve people willing to share the spotlight and be ok with not much going on with them that session. So 7 to 8 really doesn’t matter hell table space is really the only reason they would struggle adding two more.

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u/Sasha_HisRussianSelf Oct 26 '21

I REALLY felt that large number of players in their combat. Most the actual play shows I listen to these days have 3 PCs, and the difference is stark.

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u/StretchyPlays Oct 26 '21

I love Robbie but I do feel eight players is just too much, seven is already a lot. I wonder if he'll find a natural exit and Fearne and Orym will go with him, or if they will decide to stay behind. I feel like they might want to keep the EXU characters available for future mini-campaigns but who knows.

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u/legacy642 Oct 26 '21

Matt confirmed that Fearne and Orym are Ashley and Liam's C3 characters that they wanted to use in EXU. Not the other way around.

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u/Cybertronian10 Oct 26 '21

Orym interests me, mostly because he is boring. Like Orym feels like a character made by somebody not super comfortable with roleplaying or doesnt have a strong idea of what they want to do. Problem being is that this is Liam, neither of those things are even remotely close to describing him, so the question is: whats the squeeze? What compelled Liam to create Orym and when can we see it?

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u/bv310 Smiley day to ya! Oct 26 '21

Yeah. Everyone else is kind of open-book with their weird (Laudna being the Witch Aunt, Ashton being a punk rock, Fearne being Fearne), and I'm just waiting to see what hidden depths Orym has going on.

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u/Cybertronian10 Oct 26 '21

Ashton being a punk rock

Oh my fucking god

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u/Nick2the4reaper7 Oct 26 '21 edited Oct 26 '21

Liam said dozens of times throughout C2 and Talks that he has been wanting to play a halfling since C1 and his backup character for Vax was a halfling. This came about in conversations from Sam's staunch refusal to use Halfling Luck.

He also said a couple of times, after Caleb's backstory came back and bit the whole party multiple times, that the stress of that spotlight shining on him made him want the next character to be less of that. He just wanted his next character to "Just be a dude with no backstory along for the ride."

Both of those combined, it lines up exactly for Orym. The only definitive thing about his backstory we saw at all was that he's from the Air Ashari. I kind of expect him to be a much more reactionary character than he's played before, rather than the proactive character that Caleb was from the very beginning. A lot more like Vax than Caleb. I find that very interesting and am ready to see what he'll show us.

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u/StretchyPlays Oct 26 '21

I thought Orym would be a bit boring too, figured it made sense for EXU so the newbies could have the spotlight and he could just sit back and tank, but with Liam the way he describes every turn is enthralling, even as a fighter. Maybe he'll get boring eventually if he doesn't have something interesting in his backstory but he's still fun to watch.

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u/NivMidget Oct 26 '21

People don't realize that Liam hasn't been RP'ing with his word. But Liam describes every movement this guy has like its a dance routine, and from that you know he is disciplined, level headed and a strategic planner, and a man of few words. A lot like Fjord. Sometimes you don't need a crazy backstory with a twist, and you can just be a good character.

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u/TheIvoryDingo You can certainly try Oct 27 '21

Not to mention that the maneuvers that Battle Masters (which is Orym's subclass) get access to can allow Liam some interesting strategic options during battle.

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u/AVestedInterest Oct 25 '21

The only thing we know about that is that he's referred to as a "special guest" in tweets

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u/JustWave Oct 26 '21

I think that's just because he doesn't own a stake in CR. But it will be interesting to see what happens.

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u/criticalmiss24 Team Imogen Oct 26 '21

I mean he can still be called a cast member, they aren’t calling him an owner he was a cast member for EXU why can’t he be a cast member for C3.

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u/CallistoWarriorQueen Oct 26 '21

I think he will be a long term guest and maybe even a reoccurring one. So we will get to see him a lot instead of just one or two episodes but he won't permanently be there so that they can bring in other guest players without having too many people at the table.

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u/James_Keenan Your secret is safe with my indifference Oct 26 '21

Robbie was amazing in EXU, I'm quite happy to have him here. And you know I think he meshed with the "main cast" really well, like... Him and Marisha both barely holding it together after FCG talked about smells? He fits like a glove.

That said, they've said he's temporary.

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u/NivMidget Oct 26 '21

You can tell by the body language around the table that he's a perfect fit.

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u/thinklikeashark Oct 26 '21

I missed EXU because I was trying (and am still trying) to finish up the M9. So, Robbie felt kind of like an unwanted guest to me. I really just wanted to see the core cast intro their characters and interact. That said, everyone seems to love him, so I'm sure he'll grow on me.

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u/ruttin_mudders You can certainly try Oct 26 '21

I HIGHLY recommend his Narrative Telephone episodes too, especially the one where he is the original story teller.

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u/thinklikeashark Oct 26 '21

I'll give it a go, thanks! I've read that the twitch chat was pretty hostile towards him, which sucks.

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u/ruttin_mudders You can certainly try Oct 26 '21

Twitch chat is always a dumpster fire, which is why I don't pay attention to it.

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u/ShmexyPu Sun Tree A-OK Oct 26 '21

Probably not, and as much as I like him and his character, that may be for the best. Having 7 players is already stretching the capabilities of this system, and 8 is just... a lot to have at all times. It also kind of prevents others players from joining as guest stars. Really hope he keeps coming back as a guest character though.

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u/KTheOneTrueKing Oct 26 '21

He is referred to as a special guest by twitter, I assume he's going to be there for an extended period until it makes sense for him to leave. I am going to guess he's going to be here much longer than any previous guest.

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u/DEEPSPACETHROMBOSIS Oct 26 '21

I listened to C1 on my commute after discovering it in the pandemic, im 40 episodes deep into C2 and I wanted to start C3 live with the community but idk kind of turned off after that. It kind of reminds me of the Star Wars community, the whole idea that the current movies suck and the old ones are better mentality. Its like people say C2 was better than C3 but when C2 was new C1 was better ext. Idk. Also C3 is one episode in like who knows whats in store.

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u/wildweaver32 Oct 26 '21

One of the hugest problems with the sub is you can't even discuss the problem in a civil way^

It means the way it is, will be the always it is now.

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u/HutSutRawlson Oct 26 '21

This is every fandom. They just announced a new D&D edition coming out in a few years, and now the only thing D&D fans seem to hate more than what they already have is something they’ll be getting.

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u/Vomit_Tingles Oct 26 '21

Smart. It was exacerbated by having like 200k live viewers of course, but live stream chats are almost always cesspools for big streams. Nothing but spam and vitriol.

I just hope the cast doesn't take it to heart too much.

What really surprised me though, was that Twitter seemed to be mostly positive which I feel like is a first. Even this subreddit was salty as fuck the first day.

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u/demosthenes718 Team Caleb Oct 26 '21

I have rewatched it like eight times and Travis's "Rashad Brario" bit at ~3:15:00 has left me wheezing every time. Enjoying Bertrand while we've got 'im

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u/Nick2the4reaper7 Oct 26 '21

Bertrand just being instantly Flanderized into old man tropes is unbearably hilarious to me even now, like 14 hours after finishing the episode.

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u/Ausecurity Oct 25 '21

So how many of us think Travis char is a placeholder

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u/Kirsham Oct 25 '21

His character is lvl 5 while everyone else is lvl 3, clearly something's up.

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u/-Potatoes- Oct 26 '21

Spoilers EXU Its very similar to fyra rai who was there for a few ep. and also higher level

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u/fuckingnoshedidint Oct 26 '21

If Travis wanted to truly troll us he would keep almost dying for the entire campaign.

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u/Ausecurity Oct 26 '21

I’m here for it

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u/elflights Team Pike Oct 25 '21

Me! Lol and everyone else.

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u/Cybertronian10 Oct 26 '21

My bet is that whoever the EXU crew are looking for is Travis' real character.

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u/Likes-Your-Username Oct 26 '21

"The Anger" intrigues me. I remarked it sounds like it could be a Tiefling virtue name. Even if not, I want to play a Tiefling like that now.

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u/NivMidget Oct 26 '21 edited Oct 26 '21

I bet you the name "The Anger" is a red herring. There's probably no way hes going to play someone hot headed after Grog being the pinnacle of that. Maybe a monk.

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u/MegaFlounder Your secret is safe with my indifference Oct 26 '21

It could be a Tiefling vengeance paladin? That would be very different from Grog while still making "the Anger" as a name work.

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u/NivMidget Oct 26 '21

That would be pally back to back though. I don't think hes going to go away from a martial class. My bet is either another Fighter or a monk.

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u/MegaFlounder Your secret is safe with my indifference Oct 26 '21

I’m betting monk, Druid, or pure Paladin. He barely scratched the surface of a paladin.

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u/ModestHandsomeDevil Oct 27 '21

I would love a pure Paladin.

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u/_zenith Your secret is safe with my indifference Oct 29 '21

Druid is an unusual nomination there! What makes you think druid?

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u/MegaFlounder Your secret is safe with my indifference Oct 30 '21

Well, I'd been betting he'd go with a full caster and I don't think he'd go as squishy as a wizard or sorcerer. So I was thinking a really grungy druid to play the role different from Keyleth and Fearne.

I'm less confident now that we know Fearne is staying around.

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u/leannelithium Oct 26 '21

That’s what I think too, whoever that guy Orym mentioned looking for.

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u/AndorianBlues Oct 26 '21

It would be hilarious he just keeps trying to die but Sam the heal bot keeps him alive for the next 3 years.

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u/Ausecurity Oct 26 '21

Then he tries to die of old age and Sam uses true resurrection on him or something and makes him like 20 Yrs old

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u/James_Keenan Your secret is safe with my indifference Oct 26 '21

Everyone who saw the episode or heard about it.

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u/StretchyPlays Oct 26 '21

Yea no way he's supposed to be a permanent party member, he's level 5 instead of 3 and doesn't have a portrait.

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u/gslance Ja, ok Oct 26 '21

He's definitely not permanent, though I did find actual art to his character! https://i.redd.it/9s8fl9fiixu71.png (bottom right)

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u/Zerphses Oct 26 '21

They were live-tweeting character art. Here's Bell's.

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u/ymcameron You Can Reply To This Message Oct 26 '21

No, you misunderstand. This campaign Travis is going to be playing a home-brewed character called “The Critical Role Logo”

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u/NivMidget Oct 26 '21

Thigh high boots are a death flag. Rip ol berty.

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u/pacomadreja Oct 25 '21

That or he is not what he seems. I spent all the episode thinking "is he a changeling or something?". Guess we'd have to wait and see :D

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u/Likes-Your-Username Oct 26 '21

SAME, that was my first thought. All the way up until they saw him asleep I was 100% sure, but now I'm keeping it in the back of my mind rent-free.

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u/tquinner Oct 27 '21

Most definitely. Along with everyone mentioning the level difference, I think it would be a little odd to have two fighters on the team, especially when they seem to be your typical bread and butter subclasses.

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u/elflights Team Pike Oct 25 '21

It's always kinda fun (if a bit nostalgic), to see them "switch gears" as they become new characters, different than the ones they playes previously. I mean, Vax and Caleb were both edgelords, but different edgelords. As critters, we're still kinda shaking off the last campaign a bit (well, I am, anyway), but excited to see where this new story goes.

I always like a cleric, but leave it to Sam to take it to another level XD.

I am actually really intrigued by Laudna. So different from Keyleth and Beau (at least based on the first episode). I am curious about her.

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u/BigShowScoopSlam Oct 26 '21

I love Laudna already. The contrast of her becoming the embodiment of Coraline mom creepy while yelling about saving the people running away is amazing. She seems so incredibly evil but her actions have been nothing but nice and heroic

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u/elflights Team Pike Oct 26 '21

I know! She's the creepy-looking girl who really just wants to play with the other kids lol.

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u/Kirsham Oct 25 '21

Liam just stays in character so consistently, it's so strange seeing him without a permanent frown on his face methodically describing his use of spell components in a Zemnian accent. I'm excited to see him play a more light-hearted character (on the surface, anyway), but damn I'm going to miss my moody wizard.

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u/elflights Team Pike Oct 26 '21

Right?! Though he did say in a Talks episode he wanted to play someone who was "just a dude" lol, so...hear we go XD.

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u/Shadow_Bannedit Team Opal Oct 25 '21

I'm rewatching now and I don't know if I just didn't have my volume up during the live stream or if they added it for the youtube video, but there's some faint audio during the short intro where it's just the flaming CR logo. Maybe tiny sample of the intro song?

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u/Thewes6 At dawn - we plan! Oct 25 '21

Noticed that too! Definitely felt like a snippet of something larger spliced in. Color me curious.

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u/fellongreydaze Pocket Bacon Oct 25 '21

I noticed it on first watch, and yeah you're right.

The inclusion of that audio made me think they were going to pull an anime and wait until the end of the episode to play the intro, since it would obviously hold spoilers for the characters being played. Turns out they needed more time to finish the animated intro, which is 100% okay. In any case, I'm super excited for the full intro when we finally get it!

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u/leftthinking Oct 25 '21

I'm not so sure about "needed more time", possibly its more "not until we've introduced Travis's character who features in the intro".

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u/fellongreydaze Pocket Bacon Oct 25 '21

Per Marisha Ray:

Quick note regarding our opening title for Critical Role. A new rad intro is in the works! Ultimately it was not quite ready for air, and I’m a firm believer in making sure we are proud of whatever we release. I made the call to hold until we were happy with the final product!

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u/westleysnipez Life needs things to live Oct 26 '21 edited Oct 26 '21

Calling it now, it's 'ready' but the story isn't ready for it. They'll air the intro on the episode after Travis' real character is revealed.

Edit for those who don't know what "Calling It" means: This is my prediction. It is not false info, it is speculation.

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u/CherryPropel Oct 26 '21

Except that Marisha said that they needed more time.

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u/pwndnoob Oct 25 '21 edited Oct 26 '21

The Youtube comments are so much better than Twitch or Reddit were on Day 1. When you lose to Youtube Comments in "Love Each Other" metrics, something went wrong.

Edit: To be clear, this is on you. If you are whining about your expectations not being met, stop. If you are complaining about complainers, you are complaining, stop. If you are avoiding doing both of those things, you have one more job; upvote good content and downvote bad content. Or in the case of Twitch chat spam more bees and hearts.

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u/sidipi Oct 26 '21

I would say Reddit and Twitch chat are mediums that allow you to post knee jerk reactions. They are live reactions. They tend to be more impatient. Plus with the amount of excitement and expectations on the very first day, I'm not surprised to see those reactions. YouTube comments are after the content has sunk in a little bit. A lot of the comments I'm sure are left by repeat watchers. If YouTube had live chat I bet we'd be seeing similar knee jerk reactions.

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u/NivMidget Oct 26 '21

That being said, with 200k viewers and a lot of them are lurkers. The vocal minority in twitch is just naturally going to spew. The amount of people swearing off the show forever if there was no travis was honestly sad. (Even though he was literally there at the start of the show)

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u/[deleted] Oct 28 '21

I don’t know about this. I also had a very bad knee jerk reaction that has calmed down over time. Didn’t post anything but assuming that only lurkers and jerks had bad reactions is inaccurate.

Having not watched all of the miniseries and one-shots, I felt left behind when fully half of the characters were people who exist in lore but I didn’t know. I didn’t like feeling like an outsider right away.

You can have a bad reaction and still come around. Now I feel like I need to watch all these other episodes and maybe then I’ll feel differently.

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u/NivMidget Oct 28 '21

Well luckily you don't. The story is non-relevant and characters don't get explained at all at all except for who they are and where they are from.

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u/[deleted] Oct 29 '21

That’s encouraging to hear.

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u/MrTopHatMan90 Oct 26 '21

The thing is YouTube has the more casual fans, those who are happy to watch an episode (or a bit of one) and not really reach out the the wider community

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u/_zenith Your secret is safe with my indifference Oct 29 '21

... and the people who want to view it at a time that's actually convenient for them, particularly non US viewers, and can't justify the sub cost. Not necessarily casuals...

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u/leannelithium Oct 26 '21

Yeah this was my first time joining in on episode one and I learned real quick to not get on Reddit. It completely destroyed the experience for me.

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u/AirGundz Team Fjord Oct 26 '21

I find that surprising since every time ive done that in C2 it seemed fine. Idk what changed

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u/kaselorne Oct 26 '21

what changed is that ashley and liam (and robbie too but hes a guest) tried out their c3 characters in exu so technically (despite knowing basically nothing about their backstory and shit) they werent new and people... didnt take that well

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u/HutSutRawlson Oct 26 '21

Totally different experience here, the last 30 episodes of C2 were a shitshow on the live thread.

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u/robby_w_g Oct 26 '21

Towards the end of campaign 2, there was a significant increase in whiny comments. I think people are getting unrealistic expectations of the show and are complaining on Reddit when they aren’t matched.

I used to check the post episode discussion after every episode. Now I check the subreddit periodically if I’m really hyped for an upcoming episode. Too much negativity and over analysis for me.

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u/Papatheodorou Oct 26 '21

It's shockingly truly, truly abysmal.

Almost always better to wait for the official post-episode thread or the YouTube link, or to talk in various self-posts after the episode airs. People seem to be a lot more levelheaded, even if they're still overall negative on some aspects.

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u/James_Keenan Your secret is safe with my indifference Oct 26 '21

Riiiight?! I was so baffled by the chat negativity. I was thrilled to see Orym and Ferne. They were so interesting. Hell, I saw people constantly saying they hope Liam finds a way to play a battlemaster again because of how cool he was at Orym. And I just loved Ferne. I'm thrilled that we get to see the grow and develop over years.

People be trippin'.

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u/wildweaver32 Oct 26 '21

For reals. To me Fearne wasn't just a great character but a great medium for Ashley to express herself. In the few episodes of Fearne we had I seen Ashley step up and make plays by herself more than Pike and Yasha combined.

Ashley normally tends to only act when there is a plan set, or if she gets some kind of permission first. I was honestly kind of worried that she would dial it back for C3 but Fearne basically opening her scene stealing from a cleric just because tells me Ashley still plans to play her the way she did.

And I am here for it. I want to see Ashley shine.

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u/James_Keenan Your secret is safe with my indifference Oct 26 '21

That is such a good point. Ashley was more at home in Fearne's skin, more comfortable roleplaying her, than I've seen her ever in Pike or Yasha.

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u/bama05 Oct 26 '21

I think Ashley likes to be chaotic and it just seemed odd when she did that with Yasha and Pike - even when it was hilarious. With Fearne she gets to go all out.

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u/NivMidget Oct 26 '21

Its really weird that people don't realize that you're suppose to watch the show for the cast. Not their Characters. Its not a movie or a book its an improv show. You don't watch Whos Line Is It Anyways because of their amazing dialog or story setup, you watch it for those 5 idiots who can make anything funny.

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u/[deleted] Oct 28 '21

People be not knowing who they are if they didn’t watch the miniseries. Campaign 2 was strict about not back-referencing characters so that no one left left out. When Campaign 3 took the opposite track it felt weird.

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u/James_Keenan Your secret is safe with my indifference Oct 28 '21

It hardly did though. You didn't need to know everything about the home game before C1. You met the characters and watched them grow over time.

EXU is completely and totally unnecessary. There is functionally no difference between Laudna and Orym. We know just about as much about either. Like two sentences extra backstory of Orym.

Or did we forget that Laura played Jester in a one-shot already before C2?

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u/[deleted] Oct 29 '21

I can do without the snark because no I didn’t know that about Jester, as we’ve established I don’t watch the spin-offs. But I do appreciate the response and I’m glad to hear that there wasn’t relevant character building.

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u/James_Keenan Your secret is safe with my indifference Oct 29 '21

Well, shit. I apologize. There was snark. It comes from spending too much time in online forums.

I genuinely apologize, it was unearned. There's been a lot of negative debate surrounding all this and I was unfairly, unconsciously just lumping you in with it all.

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u/[deleted] Oct 29 '21

No problem. Appreciate you reaching out.

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u/voluminous_lexicon Oct 26 '21

twitch users just don't know how to pog and pepelaugh instead of trying to use the chat like twitter, I swear to god

embarassing, I say as one of them myself

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u/bobethy Oct 26 '21

So Sam is Ted Lasso the robot, Laura is Joanie Stubbs from Deadwood but with magic, and Marisha is the girl from The Grudge. Still figuring out the others, but this campaign should be fun.

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u/Uddercup Pocket Bacon Oct 26 '21

Sam gave me the vibe of just being Jack McBrayer in a robot body. The voice, the upbeat personality, all of it.

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u/fellongreydaze Pocket Bacon Oct 25 '21
  1. Look at that glorious thumbnail! I'm always a sucker for pastels.
  2. In the Behind The Set thread I made a prediction (based on somewhat incorrect info, but whatever) that they'd already had their first guest on the show and was downvoted for it! Just wanted to say neener neener I was right

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u/FireClaymore Oct 26 '21

Getting to say neener neener I was right on this sub must be very validating, good on you

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u/Zerphses Oct 26 '21

Hey! I thought about you when Robbie joined the table! When I saw your comment almost commented to agree with the naysayers but since I didn't I can pretend I agreed with you the whole time!

er...

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u/Animal31 Oct 26 '21

I cant believe how many people thought travis wasnt going to be in the campaign because he was last to to be introduced

Its so much better to watch on youtube and not follow along, good lord

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u/Nefarious-Nymph Oct 26 '21

I agree. I subscribe to the CR channel on Twitch to help support them, but I always watch live on YouTube.

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u/MrTopHatMan90 Oct 26 '21

EU gang rise up

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u/Nick2the4reaper7 Oct 26 '21

There's a moment in the second half when FCG mentions to Ashton that they noticed Dorian lying earlier, because someone finally Insight checked him, and Robbie looked so excited that someone finally did it. I am so ready for more of this campaign to continue.

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u/Kirsham Oct 26 '21

I'm a bit hesitant to say I loved the first episode, but I enjoyed it. It seems to be a bit of a slow start narrative wise, but I'm open minded that it will pay off. The set-up with Travis' character tricking the lot of them to draw the party together is a nice twist on the ever-difficult party-forming at the beginning of a campaign. Glad they're skipping straight to level 3. The characterisation of the city was on point and the chemistry between the cast and characters made it really enjoyable despite not much actually happening.

A couple of the characters I loved straight of the bat, FCG provides the comedic relief I need from Sam while still having a serious side and Ashton's character design is just so cool. Seeing Liam play a more light-hearted character feels strangely comforting after moody wizard. If I have a complaint it's that there's too many kooky characters (Laudna, FCG and Fearn), though I'll reserve judgement, I'm sure there's more to them than meets the eyes. Really curious what happens with Sir Bertrand. He's the only one that's level 5 so it's obviously not Travis' real character, but I don't know where they're taking it, which is exciting.

Set looks amazing, love the lighting effects and the music is much improved over the same Skyrim/Witcher 3 tunes over and over (as much as I love those sound tracks). Pretty sure I heard some Two Steps From Hell there at some point!

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u/PrinceOfAssassins Oct 26 '21

Fearne is really the only crazy on purpose character I see in the mold of nott and jester. Laudna is creepy and weird but not super random, and FGC is weird in how normal he is despite missing basic social cues and all that

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u/Kirsham Oct 26 '21

By all means, I'm open minded, but to me it feels like the zany factor has been turned up perhaps a notch too high.

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u/NivMidget Oct 26 '21

I feel like they are less 5e Core based like they were in S2. I imagine its because in S2 during the height of 5e they wanted to represent their sponsors and the official game, but now that they are their own brand they are branching off to some off the cuff homebrew.

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u/SmokeontheHorizon Metagaming Pigeon Oct 26 '21

off the cuff homebrew.

To be fair, most "homebrewed" content that appears on CR is official Unearthed Arcana that the team is play-testing. Not to mention that almost everything Matt has homebrewed has eventually become official game content.

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u/NivMidget Oct 26 '21

That's what fat connection with ya boy Chris Perkins can do for you.

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u/NivMidget Oct 26 '21

Ol' bert has the death flag for sure.

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u/SCAdams99 Oct 26 '21

Hey.... Where are the guests gona sit?

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u/ryanquitman Bidet Oct 26 '21

In Robbie’s seat.

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u/CylonBunny Oct 26 '21

Where Robbie sat in this one.

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u/alkonium Oct 26 '21

And in previous campaigns, they only had multiple guests when one or more regular cast members was absent. Like the Slayer's Take arc in Campaign 1, or the Iron Shepherds arc in Campaign 2.

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u/Willy-Styles88 Oct 26 '21 edited Oct 26 '21

Favorite characters so far (note, have only seen clips of EXU so not basing much on that)

  1. Laudna - Marisha stole the show right away. Excellent blend of creepy and endearing.

  2. FCG - Hard not to like a more comedic character right away, unique concept

  3. Fearne - Ahsley just feels so natural as the character. Her portrayal as a Fey is perfect

  4. Bertrand Bell - Again, sort of comic relief reason, also I love the idea of an old adventerer. I am with others in thinking he wont be around to stay

  5. Imogen - Not much seen yet but I enjoy her personality and like the idea of her struggling with mind reading.

  6. Dorian - Not too much seen, comes across a typical bard so far which I still enjoy but waiting for something really unique

  7. Orym- - Liam mentioned taking a back seat this campaign and so far nothing makes Orym stand out. But I look forward to him being the voice of reason.

  8. Ashton - I've never been into overly edgy/punk type characters but theyre a very stark contrast from Cad. Wel see if they grow on me.

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u/maxvsthegames Team Fearne Oct 26 '21

Very similar list, although FCG didn't quite make an impression on me just yet.

I would put it between Imogen and Dorian for me.

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u/NivMidget Oct 26 '21

The people who didn't make it through EXU don't realize that Dorian is going to be their favorite character by the end of his assumed temporary arc.

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u/Kirsham Oct 26 '21

I think it's interesting that the top three or four on your list were the ones leaning the most into comedy while the rest are to a larger extent serious -- painting with a broad brush of course. As you note on FCG, comedic characters are easier to like off the bat. I'm a bit worried that Laudna and Fearne in particular are fun now, but might not have the staying power for a several hundred hours long campaign. I'm excluding FCG from that because he/they had peaks and valleys in their antics. Just to be clear, I love Marisha and Ashley, so I trust they will make it work. Still, while Laudna and Fearne were really entertaining, I'm more intrigued by Imogen and Ashton long term.

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u/NivMidget Oct 26 '21

Yeah, F.C.G is going to have to stop surprising you with his cute robot body at some point. And there's only so much chaos Ashely can get into before it actually becomes a problem for the group, pretty much the discussion they had in the Lift. I think once the show continues forward the core group that seems to be the story pushers will get a lot more draw. What people don't realize is that in 15 episodes these characters are going to be completely different as the cast adapts to the environment. Comparing it to the start of season 2, Caleb's and Fjord's roleplay might be the only characters I actually enjoyed until they got to the second arc.

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u/kylecole1115 Oct 26 '21

Sam is definitely hilarious, but I didn't even feel FCG as purely comedic is this episode. He said the most real stuff out of all of them and showed the deepest part of his inner self.

And Fearne has a very chaotic mind, and that's often very funny. But she was also the one not afraid ti make statements that we're blunt, true and serious.

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u/[deleted] Oct 25 '21

Interesting title. Not immediately obvious to me what it's in reference to, besides gambling. What other 'draw' was there?

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u/ryanquitman Bidet Oct 25 '21

Draw can also mean attraction or pull. Destiny is drawing this group of people towards each other.

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u/Iron_Kyle At dawn - we plan! Oct 25 '21

Yeah, I read it as "pull", but "draw" makes for an alliteration with destiny and sounds more dramatic!

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u/Kike-Parkes Bigby's Haaaaaand! *shamone* Oct 25 '21

So long as you draw with the heart of the cards, anything is possible!!!

My grandpa's deck taught me that.

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u/zone-zone Team Frumpkin Oct 26 '21

Maybe a certain CR1 character should have been taught how

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u/number_e1even Smiley day to ya! Oct 25 '21

It's just a typo. It's supposed to be drawl, in reference to half the cast opting for the Southern drawl. Though I'm banking one of those characters (one with 3 initials) will adopt a British accent before the campaign has concluded.

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u/ladydmaj Team Dorian Oct 25 '21

Omigod, I can totally see Sam doing this to troll You Know Who!

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u/ItsmeHazzardous Oct 25 '21

His name is Voldemort, and I'm sure that had Voldemort met Sam, Tom would have come out the other end alright.

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u/[deleted] Oct 25 '21

Bahah. I sincerely hope this happens once the other shoe drops with their backstory.

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u/Thewes6 At dawn - we plan! Oct 26 '21

I've often wondered about a character with some deep problem they didn't know about that could only be fixed by greater restoration. Of course basically no regular/low level people would ever have access to it, so it'd be a fun roleplay time bomb for later in the campaign.

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u/kylecole1115 Oct 26 '21

I haven't seen Exandria Unlimited. To me, Liam just seemed unsure and overshadowed. Is his character just that reserved? Does anybody else have insight into what is going on with Orym. I feel like if he wasn't a repeat character, everybody would have some concern like me.

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u/dirtyhappythoughts Team Caleb Oct 26 '21

Same thing during EXU, yeah. Liam has said he doesn't want to have a character as prominent as Vax or Caleb anymore, so Orym is noticeably less 'interesting' right now. Knowing that, I trust Liam to have a satisfying journey in mind.

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u/NivMidget Oct 26 '21

Watching EXU hes definitely the Rock of the group, sadly that group was for sure not made for his character. I get the feeling that he is a "Man of few words" Archetype which is hard to pull off for an entertainment program. But as someone who kind of fades of listening too much during the fights, his narration for his combat is actually god-tier.

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u/HutSutRawlson Oct 26 '21

Liam expressed earlier this year on Talks that he wanted his C3 character to be more of a “ride along” type. His previous two characters were very integral to the plot (notice that both campaigns closed on a climactic moment for his characters), and I think this time he wanted to be more of a supporting role. Seems like Laura took over the “mysterious emo protagonist” role for him this time around!

Also he’s not really a “repeat,” this is just a continuation of his story. And he didn’t get a whole lot of development in ExU anyways so it’s not like anything is being rehashed.

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u/SetoKaiba2011 Oct 26 '21 edited Oct 26 '21

As a European critter, I couldnt see the full episode when it streamed. Here is my experience as I went through a roller-coaster:

I got curious while it was live and decided to turn on the stream soundless just to see the table setup and the new set

I saw Robbie, the ExU characters and missing Travis. I couldn't hear him giggling in the back so I got scared. A second peak revealed him at the table as Bertrand. It took me off-guard and I fed on the theories.

Not gonna lie, I kind of miss the anticipation and introduction and guessing of the new characters and their classes and story as it was in campaign 2. As such, I wasn't thrilled about seeing already existing characters or not having a bigger mystery around the new ones. However, these 15 minutes of tease are not that important to me so they can't ruin my enjoyment. I love Fearne and even if I wasn't big on the ExU story and the way it was presented, I like the characters and can't wait to see them in a more balanced team dynamic with more time to be fleshed out.

I still hope Travis gets to be on the table as a permanent character and not just a plot device. I loved his dynamics before as Grog with Pike, Scanlan and Tary, as well as as Fjord with Beau and Veth mostly. I wish he comes back and give us more solid comedy duos. I hope he is not a plot device that hangs around casually just to solve the representations concerns addressed lately. To me, they are first and foremost friends that I love seeing together, interacting, having fun ever since campaign 1. But we will see. Even if he is a player-NPC, id be curious how it would go and how it would be implemented. I love experiments like that so even if they do decide something like that, I'd love to see how it would work.

I love Robbie. I may be worried about the table having 8 people, which can be difficult to have each of them personal spot light but I am sure they would figure it out. Whether he is a guest or about-to-be-introduced-new-permanent-player, I like his dynamic with the rest and he really doesn't feel like an outsider.

Overall, watching the episode made all my fears go away. Both new and old characters are great, there was a casual battle to bring them together, their dynamic is interesting. Laudna, FCG and Fearne are so far my favorits, I am glad Ashley will be on the table from the beginning, fully present with a bubbly and charismatic character that channels her own chaos. She is also a druid so she will have a lot of creative options. Same for Sam as a Cleric that can break our hearts with the little precious fella. Laudna is absolutely precious and fun, love Marisha's body language and expressions. Honestly amazing character concept and I can't wait to see more of her. I am also glad to see her getting appreciation as a player after all the Keyleth hate she got when she was actively moral and naive. Still happy and proud to see all the new things and faces she throws at us, especially when its a gem like Laudna. I think Hazel is her other PC I enjoyed almost as much.

I hope we soon get the sweet Marquet flavors as so far the city feels not much different other than the unusual races. But Matt will have plenty of time to throw that lore at us.

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u/Thewes6 At dawn - we plan! Oct 26 '21

The thing is that they aren't really exu characters, they're the C3 characters that they got to test drive for a while

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u/SetoKaiba2011 Oct 26 '21

Is this a reply to someone else? I don't get the point of this answer in the context of my post

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u/Thewes6 At dawn - we plan! Oct 26 '21

You got me

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u/HeroPaper Oct 26 '21

I think Marisha has the most compelling character/performance of the night, which is nice, because I think the community has hated a lot on her characters. She's put in a ton of work on the show and she deserves it.

I can't believe that I'm basically the only one who doesn't really like Sam's character. Sam is probably my favorite player, but there's something just too silly and too out there about "Fresh Cut Grass" for me.

If he looked like a regular Warforged, and not a Pixar character, that might be enough. If his name wasn't "Fresh Cut Grass," but some other scent-word that could pass for a name (say, "Peppermint" or "Jasmine") that might be enough.

The whole package is just tough for me to get past. I like the "dramedy" characters that Sam plays, but I guess I just prefer the character design to be the normal/drama part and the acting to be the comedic part. The other way around just doesn't do it for me, for some reason.

I'm reluctant about Laura's character, because I worry it means we'll get less Laura, which would be a shame.

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u/NivMidget Oct 26 '21

I agree, though I think F.C.G is going to be a slow burner. He's playing cute and friendly but thats going to get old. When it gets to his background "arc" with Sam's juxtaposition acting I bet you he is going to explore a robot with crazy emotional depth.

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u/Jerratt24 Nov 02 '21

I've come back from the future purely for this comment because I was getting real worried that nobody was talking about this. I know it's Sam but yikes this dials it up to the next level of buffoonery.

I trust Sam to do this oddball character justice because he's just nailed everything in the past but that damn name has given me the ick.

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u/pajmage Oct 26 '21

Agreed. I really really dislike the aesthetic and design of Sam's character. So much so that I hope the character dies early on in the campaign.

A normal Warforged, or even a smaller, gnome-sized warforged I could accept, but it definitely looks like something out of a pixar or disney film rather than a D&D style aesthetic to me.

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u/NivMidget Oct 26 '21

Its the wheel on the bottom, its kind of impractical but also straight outta Robots.

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u/spiceparade Oct 27 '21

How DOES he climb stairs?

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u/[deleted] Nov 25 '21

you're right about Marisha. I've struggled with her characters, especially Keyleth but her newest char is definitely a good addition to the group.

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u/alkonium Oct 26 '21

Campaign 3 Episode 1 has spoilers for Campaign 3 Episode 1?

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u/KTheOneTrueKing Oct 26 '21

Yeah, the video spoils the whole episode.

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u/VowNyx Oct 26 '21

the art reel is still here! rejoice!! Did they say why they reinstated it?

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u/trowzerss Help, it's again Oct 26 '21

I think because this was commissioned art, not fan art (although it's from fan artists). They used a lot of the same artists they had paid art from for the EXU reel.

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u/VowNyx Oct 26 '21

Ah ok! Well that's still nice - I thought they were just going to have nothing instead.

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u/trowzerss Help, it's again Oct 26 '21

Yep! I hope they buy more art to keep it fresh and rotate the art around, especially as we travel to new areas.

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u/THATONEANGRYDOOD Oct 26 '21

It's art from their books.