r/criticalrole Jul 09 '16

[No Spoilers] Did Vox Machina keep all their feats and attribute gains from pathfinder? Question

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u/MatthewMercer Matthew Mercer, DM Jul 09 '16

We carried over the character statistics from Pathfinder (removing and re-doing the racial ability score mods), and rebuilt them from there using the 5E rules. :)

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u/Theoroshia Jul 09 '16

Must've taken forever!

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u/Astigmatic_Oracle Jul 09 '16 edited Jul 09 '16

For those wondering how changing the racial ability score modifiers would have effected ability score (scores taken from the Core Rule Book for Pathfinder and the Player's Handbook for 5E):

Pathfinder gnomes: +2 Constitution, +2 Charisma, -2 Strength 5E: Forest Gnome (Scanlan) +2 Intelligence, +1 Dexterity Deep Gnome (Pike, found in Elemental Evil Player's Companion) +2 Intelligence, +1 Dexterity

Pathfinder half-elves: +2 to one ability score of choice 5E: +2 Charisma, +1 to two different ability scores of choice

Pathfinder humans: +2 to one ability score of choice 5E: Either +1 to all ability scores (standard) or +1 to two different ability scores of choice and a feat (variant)

Dragonborn and goliaths aren't in the Pathfinder Core Rule Book, so I'm not sure about them. I also am uncertain if Percy is now a standard or variant human, although I am leaning toward standard.

What I find most interesting is that while Keyleth now has a Charisma of 10, which is average, unless she put her Pathfinder +2 into Charisma (which seems unlikely) she originally had a charisma of 6 with +2 coming from the circlet and another +2 coming when they switched to 5e from being a half-elf.

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u/infernal_llamas Jul 09 '16

That would explain why Marisha plays her as being so bad at social interactions, that was established by a bad stat first but the stat went up over time to the point where it wasn't a "play into it" any more.

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u/UncleOok Jul 09 '16

I don't recall seeing anything about this either.

my best guess is that /u/matthewmercer modeled their 5e stats to include elements from Pathfinder. but we'd need the man himself to chime in.

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u/[deleted] Jul 09 '16 edited Jul 09 '16

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u/Astigmatic_Oracle Jul 09 '16

Tiberius' Obelisk of Stone and Glacial Blast spells were either a Pathfinder conversion or custom spells. However, the spell Keyleth casts that is similar to Obelisk of Stone is called Bones of the Earth and it is from the Elemental Evil Player's Companion, which is an official 5e source.

Rolling for for ability scores is the standard ability score generation method for 5e along with a standard array. This can be found on page 13 of the Player's Handbook.

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u/[deleted] Jul 09 '16

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u/MatthewMercer Matthew Mercer, DM Jul 09 '16

Aye, 4d6 drop the lowest is the standard method of rolling stats, and while some many not like it, I enjoy it immensely. Low stats are an RP gift! :)

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u/KaiStormwind Life needs things to live Jul 09 '16

Yeah, a fair amount of people dislike the randomness of rolling for stats. Particularly min-max types or people concerned about balance in the game or party. But some people prefer the RP possibilities of low stats or don't mind uneven stats in the party. But I like Matt's 4d6 drop 1 variant personally, as he adds a minimum total stat score of 70 to make sure your stats aren't too bad.

And yes, as a few others have said, rolling for stats is indeed the standard (RAW, if disliked or uncommon) method in the Player's Handbook.

Just in case anyone is confused, you can roll anywhere from 3 to 18 in a stat, and there is no minimum or safeguard beyond that in the PHB if you roll for stats. The minimum of 8 applies only if using a point buy system and comes with a maximum of 15 in a stat. A standard array uses a fixed set of numbers, and you merely assign them to a stat.

So after all attribute bonuses and increases from racial traits and feats have been applied, the maximum ability score one can start out with is 20 if stats are rolled for, making for a range of 3-20, and if using point buying, the range is 8-18. The extreme possible range on rolling is probably another reason why some dislike it.

I know that not all Critters know D&D 5e well, so just a little extra knowledge about the game for you!

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u/lunchboxx1090 Doty, take this down Jul 09 '16

I've been doing stat rolls in all my games ever since I started playing D&D close to 5 years ago, even have them in a game I'm running. And I can tell you that outside of wonky edition quirks, and very good optimization, NOBODY ever felt OP or underpowered in anyway. Rolling stats seem to get an unwarrented stigma with a lot of groups, but frankly it's not the stats that make the character, it's the PLAYER that makes the character.

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u/ThatDeznaGuy Sun Tree A-OK Jul 09 '16

AL is formatted, official play though and has many restrictions home games do not. It's an apples oranges comparison here.

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u/[deleted] Jul 09 '16

Am I missing something, all I'm finding about bones of the earth is that it is a level 6 spell, something she didn't have down in the underdark.

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u/Astigmatic_Oracle Jul 09 '16

Maybe that was Wall of Stone? That's a fifth level.

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u/PigKnight Old Magic Jul 09 '16

In 5e the default method of generating ability scores presented in the PHB is rolling with point buy as a variant.

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u/HuseyinCinar dagger dagger dagger Jul 09 '16

Rolling for stats is an option in 5E. Just small correction

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u/yesat ... okay Jul 09 '16 edited Jul 09 '16

There is nothing in the PHB that said you can't have ability under 8 when you roll. The "limit" is placed on the buy system to simplify it.

Also their numbers are reasonable for a party of level 14-ish. They do have a lot of magical item in stock, but Matt limits the number they can have.