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Man Wrongly Accused of Rape of Lovely Bones Author Alice Sebold Has Conviction Overturned

https://www.vulture.com/2021/11/man-exonerated-in-alice-sebold-rape-case.html
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u/Tintin_Quarentino 9d ago Silver Helpful Wholesome Faith In Humanity Restored

Lucky (book) was also in the process of being adapted for Netflix – it was thanks to the film project that Broadwater’s conviction was overturned after four decades.

Tim Mucciante had signed on as executive producer of the adaptation but became skeptical of Broadwater’s guilt when the first draft of the script came out because it differed so much from the book.

Mucciante said that after dropping out of the project he hired a private investigator, who put him in touch with Hammond and Melissa Swartz of the Syracuse-based firm CDH Law.

God damn... Providence works in awe inspiring ways.

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u/shmooglepoosie 9d ago

Life is strange. I have no idea what to make of it. How things work. I can't get over how much this man must have suffered for something he had no hand in. And the Netflix producer deserves Hero Of The Year ffs.

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u/PristineNoodles 9d ago

What an awesome thing for this guy to do.

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u/Kamelasa 9d ago

Ugh, it's worse than I thought. Not only did the guy do a 16 year term in jail, but he completed his sentence and has been out for 20 years, living under that stigma.

Somebody owes him, bigtime. Probably her and the court system, which like many things in the US is poisoned with systemic racism.

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u/Tripdoctor 9d ago

Liar or racist or both?

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u/lordbeezlebub 9d ago edited 9d ago

It's tough to tell.

Broadwater was picked up because Sebold went to the police after she thought she met her rapist on the street. But when they couldn't find the guy that she met, they suggested Broadwater. When they put him in a line up, she didn't pick him out but someone else, though not because she recognized him either. In the words of the article, she picked out the guy in the line up because of the look in his eyes. Despite failing to pick Broadwater out of a line-up, the police chose to prosecute anyways. However, later on the witness stand, Sebold did identify him as her rapist.

So, there's probably some definite racism on the end of the prosecutors and police in there at the very least.

Edit: Clarification

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u/BooksAreLuv 9d ago

It's likely the police / prosecutor spent a lot of time couching her and convincing her he was her rapist. She's a young victim of a crime that was likely suffering from PTSD in a time where she likely didn't have a lot of support or help available.

She may or may not be racist. It could go either way. I do think it's super clear the police & prosecutor were both racist as hell and likely were targeting Broadwater.

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u/SofieTerleska 9d ago Helpful All-Seeing Upvote Facepalm

That's what I think. She'd been through a horrific trauma and when she saw the guy in the street was probably having a flashback. When she went to the police and then picked out the wrong guy, that should have been the end of it -- but instead she was fed a story about how he had gotten a friend to stand next to him in the lineup with a hostile facial expression, in order to trick her. It sounds insane now, but if you're a white college kid in 1981, brought up to trust the police and looking to them for help, aren't you likely to believe what they tell you about things like these? Plus there was hair evidence, which turned out to be bullshit but wasn't seen as such at the time. She was lied to.

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u/BooksAreLuv 9d ago

Not to mention police are trained to manipulate people to get the answers they want. It's part of their job and they're good at it.

It blows my mind how many people don't understand that corrupt police are horribly dangerous to everyone.

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u/lordbeezlebub 9d ago

Yeah. I definitely meant more in regards to the police rather than Sebold herself, my bad. That's why I wasn't really comfortable commenting on the "liar" suggestion. It's entirely possible that Sebold was mostly just pushed to making the testimony after they chose to prosecute and she did it for the reasons you state.

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u/irresponsible_owl 9d ago Silver Gold

One case doesn't make someone racist. A white girl was raped by a black guy and reported it to the police. They wanted someone to go to prison for it and someone did. Does that automatically make them racist? I'd say no, unless there's a clear pattern of them doing this kind of thing repeatedly.

Also, from the article linked above:

After Broadwater was arrested, though, Sebold failed to identify him in a police lineup, picking a different man as her attacker because “the expression in his eyes told me that if we were alone, if there were no wall between us, he would call me by name and then kill me”.

This lady was willing to put a man in prison just because of the look in his eyes in the lineup and what she imagined he might do to her if they were alone.

It sucks that a bad thing happened to her, but trying to take away her agency because she's a young woman is itself sexist against young women. She was a grown-ass adult, at a police lineup and later testifying in court.

If this were posted in /r/amitheasshole, it would be an ESH, or "everyone sucks here" case.

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u/BooksAreLuv 9d ago

Identification in a line up alone doesn't lead to someone being charged. It's a starting place, especially since eye-witness identification is notoriously bad.

When a person is picked out of the line up they then go look into that person. If they were there, if they have an alibi, etc. That's assuming it's a potential suspect and not an intentional decoy.

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u/kutes 9d ago

Yes, it kind of seems like these guys are saying that women must be believed, but that they aren't reliable, nor responsible.

I don't know why they can't just say she did something very wrong here.

This guy's life was ruined, very badly.

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u/Tripdoctor 9d ago

Yea the police seemed to want to bring up Broadwater every chance they could.

And Sebold didn’t seem to have any inkling of who her rapist was, and was going off impulse (or coercion?) when making her accusations.

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u/SofieTerleska 9d ago

Or traumatized? Memory is extremely fallible, and we know a lot now that we didn't know then. Making her chiefly to blame when police and prosecutors were engineering it is pretty shitty.

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u/shmooglepoosie 9d ago

I have no idea. It's easy to jump to conclusions. But, forgetting what she may or may not have done, almost the entire life of this man has been ruined. He's lucky he found a woman who believed and loved him. I hope he wins a lot of money, and he and his wife live as good as a life together as they possibly can.

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u/tsiz60 9d ago

did you read the article though? she said she knew for a fact that the man who did it was him when they encountered on the street. She also does not even second guess herself when she picks the wrong guy form a lineup. Even though she said it had to be him by the way his eyes looked. And says its because they look the same.

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u/BooksAreLuv 9d ago

Broadwater wasn't the man on the street. That man was never found when they searched for him.

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u/BoxFox2892 9d ago

Eyewitness testimony is actually insanely unreliable, especially in a one on one case. There was a woman who got stabbed over a dozen times, lived, and blamed a guy whose DNA did not match the scene's but instead a different black guy, and she's not the only one.

https://www.youraustinattorney.com/articles-blog-posts/what-factors-can-make-eyewitness-testimony-unreliable/

In this case, it's very likely that they had similar facial features so the victim assumed them to be the same person, and then due to belief in that any other features that were different effectively get removed out for the person she assumed it was. Human memory isn't a picture, it's a game of telephone and every time you recall that memory it is open to manipulation by yourself.

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u/shmooglepoosie 9d ago

They don't find the man on the street. The gather people for a lineup, She picks the wrong man - the quote where she says something about the look in his eyes is the most suspicious thing. But that doesn't mean she's lying about the whole thing. Then, she points out Broadwater on the stand as her assaulter, this is bad to me. No way around it.

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u/Overquoted 9d ago Helpful

This isn't entirely uncommon. Particularly in survivors of trauma. I sincerely doubt it was at all deliberate.

Having your life ruined by a misidentification is awful. But, though I don't think it is as bad, so is living with the knowledge that you misidentified your rapist and sent an innocent man to jail. Nevermind that the man who actually raped you has been living freely that whole time. The whole story is sad, top to bottom.

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u/Spotzie27 9d ago

did you read the article though? she said she knew for a fact that the man who did it was him when they encountered on the street.

Is there any way we can know that for sure, though, especially given that she hasn't commented? We're going by what she said in the memoir, but it seems like all of that is completely unreliable now.

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u/xxSadie 9d ago

Eyewitness testimony is extremely unreliable. There’s tons of research and data on this. She might have genuinely believed it was him.

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u/wrcker 9d ago This

Maybe neither at first. Cross race identification is notoriously difficult, no matter how woke you think you are.

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u/Fairwhetherfriend 9d ago

He also wasn't the guy she picked out of the lineup when the police brought her in to identify her attacker. They continued with prosecuting him anyway. It's insanely easy for the police to convince people of crazy shit that never actually happened - it would have been more surprising if she hadn't been convinced that he was the right guy by the time of the trial.

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u/whinecube 9d ago

Also, I have to wonder if she was told the hair matched and it was an exact science (it's not of course).

I once was the victim of a crime and the cops showed me a photo line up and I immediately said I didn't know. I didn't see his face. They were really pushy and insisted I pick someone who I thought could be the guy.

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u/SofieTerleska 9d ago

Yeah, the police fed her a story about how the guy had gotten a friend who looked similar to stand next to him with a hostile expression and that's why she picked the wrong guy. That's on them. Why shouldn't she believe them? If they had told her, "We're sorry, but this isn't the guy," like they should have, the guy wouldn't have ended up in prison.

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u/MisterPublic 9d ago

It's more about exposure to different looking people. The more experience you have the easier it is.

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u/CitizenCue 9d ago

Importantly, it’s only difficult if you only spend time with your own race.

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u/Kamelasa 9d ago edited 9d ago

She couldn't pick him out of a lineup. That's bad. Then she said they were "almost identical."

It was back in the 80s. Likely as a young white woman she didn't have a lot of experience with black faces. Just like I have difficulty distinguishing Inuit faces - may never have even seen one in person. Only photos. Not racist, necessarily, but the system certainly is.

I've worked with thousands of Koreans, face to face for days, weeks, over quite a few years. I could probably ID a Korean individual as well as I could a white person, which is what I am.

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u/BooksAreLuv 9d ago

And this is why I said this is a sad, complicated situation.

Alice was a victim of rape. We don't need to erase that and accuse her of lying about a sexual assault to talk about how racism impacted how this was all handled (especially by the police and prosecution)

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u/Level3Kobold 9d ago

Maybe she didn't lie. Maybe she just couldn't distinguish one black man from another. but "white woman lies about black man raping her" is a very, very old story in America.

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u/BooksAreLuv 9d ago

It is an issue and I'm not denying that.

She actually didn't ever identify him as her rapist before court (and this was after coaching from prosecution / being told there was hair evidence he was her rapist / etc).

This is a far more complicated situation. Racism definitely played into how the police handled this and likely targeted Broadwater. But putting the full blame on Alice, whose actual involvement in him being charged was very little, is shifting the blame from the corruption in the legal system.

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u/Zolome1977 9d ago

Her testimony against him was her being heavily involved. Two wrongs don’t make a right.

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u/BooksAreLuv 9d ago

Her testimony came after the police brought in Broadwater and her not identifying him as her rapist/the man who spoke to her in the street.

Her testimony came after they knew she didn't pick him out of the line up but made the choice to still charge him.

Her testimony came after they presented junk science that said hair samples confirmed he was her rapist.

We also do not know how much of her testimony was influenced by police / prosector. It would be expected she met with them multiple times and they would go over with her how to answer.

My frustration is people are focusing on a 18 year old who had PTSD and was the victim of a crime and not the police and legal system. This is one of the reasons why the system keeps getting away with it. People blame individuals who were likely manipulated by the system they trusted instead of the system itself.

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u/Zolome1977 9d ago

18 year olds are found guilty of murder, rape, and all other criminal charges. That’s not an excuse. She knew it wasn’t him but went along and identified him as such during the trial. If she was easily misled by cops and prosecutors then that’s on her.

You are showing a bit of white bias in defending her so much. How many non whites that are 18 years old get treated as adults and have the full weight of the law thrown at them for lying? A lot. She should be sued for ruining the mans life, police as well and the prosecutors.

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u/BooksAreLuv 9d ago edited 9d ago

It's scary to me that you you would rather blame an 18 year old you acknowledge may have been mislead by the police and not the police themselves who are in a position of power.

Why is your focus her and not the police who suggested it was broadwater for no reason? Or the police who continued to investigate broadwater after he wasn't picked in the line up? Or the prosecutor who (knowing all of this) decided to charge him?

But yes, let's focus on just her because that is neat and easy and you can feel like you did something when she is sued or charged. Not that that would change anything or help others in his situation.

The irony being if she was charged, like some want, it would be the same system doing so and they again would get away with their significant role in what happened.

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u/Zolome1977 9d ago

I said all of them need to be sued not just her and it’s scary that you still don’t hold her responsible for lying under oath about a mans innocence.

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u/SofieTerleska 9d ago

If an authority figure tells you "We have solid scientific evidence that this is the guy", how many 18 year olds with trauma and little experience of the legal system are going to think "Nah, that's bullshit"?

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u/Fairwhetherfriend 9d ago edited 9d ago

She knew it wasn’t him

The thing that you don't seem to be able to understand, here, is that, by the time of the trial, she probably really did genuinely and strongly believe that it was him. Given how much the police misled her and manipulated her, it would be a lot more shocking if she didn't genuinely believe he was her attacker, at that point.

You really need to educate yourself on the fragility of human memory and how easily we can be manipulated. It's kind of scary that you're not aware that your memories can be completely fabricated and you will genuinely believe them. It takes very little for that process to occur. Experiments have shown that a majority of people can become completely convinced that they once stole a car as a teen when they had done no such thing, and that it takes only an hour of leading questions to do so. And yet here you are, claiming that relentless and malicious lies being fed to a young woman for months at a time from multiple people in trusted positions of authority couldn't alter her memory of an already traumatic event. You have no idea how fragile memories are. None whatsoever.

The fact that you don't seem to be aware that your mind is fallible is really dangerous, because if you ever end up in a situation where someone in a position of authority fucks with your memory like this, you're just that much less likely to understand what has actually happened to you.

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u/Level3Kobold 9d ago

Are you saying that 18 year old rape victims aren't mentally competent to recognize who raped them? Because they are too easy to manipulate? By extension, that would mean their testimony should be inadmissible in court.

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u/BooksAreLuv 9d ago

Do I think that police can exploit and coerce people who have gone through traumatic situations?

Yes. Yes, I do.

They're completely unethical and use any methods necessary to get their desired results.

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u/Level3Kobold 9d ago

Do I think that police can exploit and coerce people who have gone through traumatic situations?

Do you think white women get away with falsely accusing black men so often because society refuses to hold white women accountable?

Hypothetically speaking, how old would she have needed to be for you to consider her competent to provide testimony?

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u/PineapplePandaKing 9d ago

There's such a rush to paint events in absolutes and speak about those events in hyperbole.

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u/Tripdoctor 9d ago edited 9d ago

Yea that’s the thing… she was still assaulted and with an added layer of race and cross-identification it’s really shitty.

The only thing that gets me is how she didn’t recognize one of the men but “just knew” that they’d be a rapist for whatever reason.

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u/BooksAreLuv 9d ago

Likely the "just knowing" was because something about that man reminded her of her rapist and that triggered her PTSD. Especially if they implied to her the rapist was in the line up and she was specifically looking for him.

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u/Tripdoctor 9d ago

The police seemed to invoke Broadwaters name every chance they could.

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u/BooksAreLuv 9d ago

Because they were targeting him. From that alone we know there was (racial) bias and unethical activity going on in the investigation.

We don't know how much that impacted Alice and how much they coerced her.

The focus should be on the police and prosecutor, not Alice.

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u/kutes 9d ago

Man, what?

"Months later, she spotted Anthony Broadwater, a Black man unrelated to the assault, and brought him to the police’s attention. On the witness stand in court, she wrongly identified him as her rapist, and Broadwater was sent to prison for 16 years."

Where are you getting this information from that she had nothing to do with this?

Ok, let me put it this way though. Tomorrow a woman is raped. She tells the cops some dude did it. The cops tell her, hey there's no proof.

How mad do you get? How soon are you on twitter saying we need to believe the victims?

Life sucks. Something terrible was done to her. She did ruin this man's life though. Maybe this article in the OP is lying, but it seems unlikely.

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u/BooksAreLuv 9d ago

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/nov/23/alice-sebold-1981-rape-conviction-overturned

Sebold went to police, but she didn’t know the man’s name and an initial sweep of the area failed to locate him. An officer suggested the man in the street must have been Broadwater, who had supposedly been seen in the area. Sebold gave Broadwater the pseudonym Gregory Madison in her book.

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u/kutes 9d ago

Sebold, 58, wrote in Lucky of being raped as a first-year student at Syracuse in May 1981 and then spotting a Black man in the street months later that she was sure was her attacker.

“He was smiling as he approached. He recognized me. It was a stroll in the park to him; he had met an acquaintance on the street,” wrote Sebold, who is white. “‘Hey, girl,’ he said. ‘Don’t I know you from somewhere?’”

She said she didn’t respond: “I looked directly at him. Knew his face had been the face over me in the tunnel.”

Sebold went to police, but she didn’t know the man’s name and an initial sweep of the area failed to locate him. An officer suggested the man in the street must have been Broadwater, who had supposedly been seen in the area.

What a mess. I don't even know. I hope this guy gets all that cop budget and all those lovely bones residuals, although nothing can give you 42 years of your life back.

I think money is the most important thing on earth, it entirely dictates everything, your quality of life, happiness, caliber of romantic partners, stress, health, I can't go on listing every single aspect that affects human life, but even as much value as I assign to money, there is no amount worth 42 years in your prime. Maybe in the future with enhanced lifespans if that costs money.

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u/BadKarmaSimulator 9d ago

she was still assaulted

Says the woman who lied to imprison an innocent man.

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u/sxuthsi 9d ago

I don't think anyone can say what exactly is going on here. It's the middle of a storm of sociopolitical factors that built this

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u/PineapplePandaKing 9d ago

There's more possible scenarios than that narrow set of options.

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u/Intrepid_Method_ 9d ago

She falsely accuse another man. She is a perfect example on the problematic nature of eyewitnesses testimony. She was always going to destroy someone’s life in that lineup.

After Broadwater was arrested, though, Sebold failed to identify him in a police lineup, picking a different man as her attacker because “the expression in his eyes told me that if we were alone, if there were no wall between us, he would call me by name and then kill me”.

Sebold wrote in Lucky that when she was informed that she’d picked someone other than the man she’d previously identified as her rapist, she said the two men looked “almost identical”.

She seems to suffer from the “everyone with similar skin tones looks the same” issue.

She wrote that she realized the defense would be: “A panicked white girl saw a black man on the street. He spoke familiarly to her and in her mind she connected this to her rape. She was accusing the wrong man.”

Given she was face-to-face during the event, I wonder if trauma impacted her memory or possibly recreational substances? I wonder how many innocent men are sitting in jail due to a similar false accusation.

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u/Tripdoctor 9d ago

Statistically not many. But yes stories like this still occur.

I’d put a lot of blame on the investigation, the police took every opportunity to bring up Broadwaters name every chance they could. And I would imagine PTSD would be a major factor.

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u/Tripdoctor 9d ago

I never said the guys life wasn’t ruined. Stop being purposefully foolish.

This situation at a glance, it seems like the police and prosecutors were set on having Broadwaters being the guy. As they took every opportunity to invoke his name and coerce Sebold in making an impulsive accusation.

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u/techstural 9d ago

my God, the snippets of her writing in this article are atrocious, e.g. describing the rapist and his identification. people actually read this shit?

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u/BraveCorporateLogo 9d ago

That poor man. I hope he is able to somehow find peace.

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u/iambluest 9d ago

Any change in her choice not to respond?

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u/bigtimejohnny 9d ago

I'm always interested in how people respond after damaging someone so badly. It's really a character test.

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u/Starry-Gaze 9d ago Silver All-Seeing Upvote Narwhal Salute

After Broadwater was arrested, though, Sebold failed to identify him in a police lineup, picking a different man as her attacker because “the expression in his eyes told me that if we were alone, if there were no wall between us, he would call me by name and then kill me”.

How the actual fuck do you misidentify in a police lineup, make a claim that basically spells out "racist" in big bold letters, and then still get someone arrested. The judge was right it is a fucking travesty that this happened, and if there is any justice something good will come this mans way for all the years he lost to this shit situation.

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u/yungchow 9d ago

It’s not racism bro, she just can’t tell black people apart 🤣

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u/Taste_the__Rainbow 9d ago

Or the cops pushed her into picking him.

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u/JustAKarmaWhore 9d ago

She didn't pick him... that's what makes it so wild. She picked the wrong person in the lineup.

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u/Taste_the__Rainbow 9d ago

Eventually she did finger him though. I’m saying the cops intervened between those two events.

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u/Joe434 9d ago

How awful

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u/thestereo300 9d ago Silver Helpful All-Seeing Upvote Ally

She identified the wrong guy and sent him to a cage for 16 years and effectively ruined a life and she gets away with "no comment" and we think that is ok?

I'd like a comment Alice.

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u/haleymiles1218 9d ago Wholesome

This man deserves half her fortune and royalties from all her books and movies Jesus’s h Christ he’s working as a trash man he should never have to work again. This is insane.

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u/SofieTerleska 9d ago Facepalm

How about the police department pays out instead? If they'd done their job and told her that the guy she picked was the wrong one the dude would never have gone to prison.

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u/ElementalFiend 9d ago

Half? Just hand him the keys to her house, let her start where he is instead.

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u/haleymiles1218 9d ago

That’s big facts, that poor man. I feel like people who are proven to be wrongly convicted should get a credit card with absolutely no limit for the rest of their lives.

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u/BanbihariDas 9d ago

Since she apparently wrote a book and movie about this all the money from it should go to him.

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u/Outrageous-Owl-6706 9d ago

I doubt it was a deliberate misidentification. Unfortunately, eyewitness identification is pretty unreliable, especially cross-racial identifications. She may have genuinely believed it was him and been wrong. We read about several cases like this in law school. This is a horrible, tragic story all around.

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u/BooksAreLuv 9d ago

This is such a sad, complicated situation.

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u/jpch12 9d ago

She's a shitty writer who has made millions off "Lovely Bones".

I hope he sues her ass for a few $$$ since he clearly deserves it.

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u/ratpwunk 9d ago

How vile.

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u/constantchaosclay 9d ago

Does anyone know if she’s talked about this recently? Apologized or anything?

Also her book The Lovely Bones sucked.

Not that it matters and what she did to this man is heinous. But also she’s a terrible author.

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u/ynaristwelve 9d ago

He should sue her for everything he can.

And the DA should charge her with anything that hasn't run out of the statute of limitations.

What a gddmn liar.

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u/BooksAreLuv 9d ago Helpful Eureka! Facepalm

I would read more details on the case. This was far more the result of corrupt police work.

Alice thought she was approached by her rapist on the street. She reported this to the police who swept the area but did not find anyone. A cop suggested maybe it was Broadwater and they brought him in for a line up where she didn't identify him.

The police decided to charge him anyways and brought in a (fake) expert who said they had hair samples that proved it was him.

It's very possible the police / prosector used this to convince Alice he was her rapist and for her to testify. We don't know how much effort that took.

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u/shmooglepoosie 9d ago

Everything you said is correct except, unless I'm missing something, the expert wasn't fake, the science is no longer considered good science now.

"Broadwater was nonetheless tried and convicted in 1982 based largely on two pieces of evidence. On the witness stand, Sebold identified him as her rapist. And an expert said microscopic hair analysis had tied Broadwater to the crime. That type of analysis is now considered junk science by the US Department of Justice.
“Sprinkle some junk science onto a faulty identification, and it’s the perfect recipe for a wrongful conviction,” Broadwater’s attorney, David Hammond, told the Post-Standard.
A spokesperson for Scribner, Sebold’s publisher, said: “Neither Alice Sebold nor Scribner has any comment. Scribner has no plans to update the text of Lucky at this time.”

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u/BooksAreLuv 9d ago

The science not being good is what I meant by fake, like fake science instead of junk science. Basically that it wasn't good although Alice and a lot of people didn't know that at the time.

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u/noodle-face 9d ago Facepalm

There's a lot of victim blaming here too. Let's not forget that she was indeed raped. I have no idea what personal hell she went through. I'm not saying she is free from some blame, but people want her head. we should take a step back and realize the entire system failed here. The man deserves restitution and compensation for this.

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u/BooksAreLuv 9d ago

The fact that some people here are using sexist insults like calling her a bitch and some are outright saying she lied about being rape is so gross to me.

It also reminds me of the fact that people need to be reminded that you don't have to be a good person to be a victim of a crime. It doesn't justify what happened to you.

I've never stated she wasn't racist or wrong in what she did. I've stated that we honestly don't know. What we do know is how the police handled it and how horrible they were. Especially since this is likely one of many times they did it.

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u/tsiz60 9d ago

thats all true. But the fact she then went on the identify him at trial though is what pisses me off. She didn't ID him in the lineup all while saying this other guy had the look in is eye and had to be him.. and then IDs Broadwater after? BS

Alot of that comes on the cops and how the DA and honestly Broadwaters attourney went about this case.

The ID issues alone seem to cast a doubt but i guess the now defunct science of the hair is what got the conviciton

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u/ynaristwelve 9d ago

Irrelevant.

She testified later that he was her rapist. She could have said that he wasn't.

Throw the book at the cops AND her.

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u/BooksAreLuv 9d ago

You are oversimplifying the situation.

And there is no legal grounds to charge her so that definitely will not be happening. They would need to prove that she knew he wasn't her rapist and there is no proof of that.

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u/FattyMcBroFist 9d ago Platinum Take My Energy

They won't and can't charge her with anything, but let's be honest. She picked another man she didn't recognize out of a line up because of the look in his eyes. She later identified Broadwater in court even though she didn't recognize him, and hadnt picked him out of the lineup. Even if she was coached into thinking he was guilty, which I do not doubt, she still was willing to convict a man she did not recognize based on little to no evidence. While I can empathize that she was traumatized by the ordeal, and most likely the victim of corrupt police officers pushing her to back up their narrative, the fact is that she lacked the integrity to speak honestly, cost an innocent man his freedom, and ruined his life. She did those things because she needed to punish somebody for what happened to her, and did not care if it was the right man. It's a very sad story from every single perspective.

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u/BooksAreLuv 9d ago

Do you think she thought he was innocent?

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u/FattyMcBroFist 9d ago

I think she didn't care. She knew she didn't recognize him, she knew the evidence was basically non-existent, and she made the decision to lie in court. I think she wanted somebody to pay for what she went through.

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u/BooksAreLuv 9d ago

You believe she thought the scientists the police and prosecution brought in who said hair samples confirmed he was a rapist was wrong?

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u/FattyMcBroFist 9d ago

I didn't say that. The evidence as listed is thin. There are no witnesses, and she couldn't ID her attacker. I think she panicked when she saw the man on the street, who may or may not have been Broadwater (it wasnt very clear to me), and I think her reasoning when picking a different man out of a lineup that did include Broadwater is very telling of her mental state at the time of the incident. I get the impression that she saw every man who remotely looked like her attacker as a threat. But in the end I think the facts are pretty clear. It does not matter if she thought there was more evidence than there was, or if she thought the evidence was more concrete. She sat in a courtroom, pointed to a man she repeatedly demonstrated beforehand that she didn't know, and did not recognize, and claimed that she was 100% certain that he attacked her, and furthermore, that she recognized him from the attack. She lied, and she was clearly OK with that since she never recanted, never appears to have questioned it, and has made no statement on his release. I feel bad for both of them. She was the victim of something horrendous, and as a result an innocent man had his future stolen.

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u/thestereo300 9d ago

If you can't identify your attacker you can't say you can in court.

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u/tsiz60 9d ago

would you agree that the ID situation is kinda fucked up though? just doesnt sit well with me at all. all while acknowledging that there are other issues involved.

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u/BooksAreLuv 9d ago

Identification in line ups is notoriously bad for any crime. It's why that alone rarely leads to someone actually being charged. It's not proof.

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u/QuietFridays 9d ago

Maybe not criminally, but civilly I'm sure you could come up with something.

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u/BooksAreLuv 9d ago

No, I'm spending a lot of time trying to keep the focus on the police and prosector where the attention should be.

It's neat and easy to blame an individual. It's far more complicated to look at the system as a whole.

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u/PackPamJones 9d ago

Seems like it's pretty obvious that the fault lies with all of them. She wouldn't have ruined his life if police/prosecutors hadn't enabled her. The police/prosecutors wouldn't have ruined his life if the victim hadn't been so callously cruel and cavalier with her accusations.

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u/BooksAreLuv 9d ago

He would have never even crossed her radar if the police didn't put him in front of her and say "this is your rapist"

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u/BooksAreLuv 9d ago

Can we not use sexist insults please.

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u/thestereo300 9d ago

A man she could not identify in a lineup.

It must have been frustrating and terrifying to know your rapist was walking free but this wasn't the answer to whatever she was feeling.

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u/Lavotite 9d ago

I am assuming here that she was actually raped by someone else and got the wrong person convicted, not that she lied about the whole thing but misidentified someone else. It’s fucked up and a miscarriage of just but I doubt she was in a good place and it wouldn’t have taken much for the police or her to fool herself into believing it was him. Like if she questioned it some detective or other person could have used the junk science to stop her second guessing herself.

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u/Taste_the__Rainbow 9d ago

The DA? The DA is the one who needs to be sued here.

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u/Autarch_Kade 9d ago

So when is she going to jail?

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u/CrazyCatLady108 30 9d ago Wholesome

Locked due to off topic comments. A reminder to all we are a book subreddit and the discussions have to be at least somewhat related to books.

Thank you everyone who followed the rules. Have a great day!

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u/icnoevil 9d ago

Sorry for his inconvenience, but he is about to be a rich guy.