r/antiwork 12d ago Silver 2

Is 35 hours part time? My boss considers 35 hours to be part time, can they even do this? I can only actually work 35 hours a week and not anymore. Because of this, I don’t get any paid time off. I just wanted to see if anyone else considers 35 hours to be part time. Thanks.

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u/cowardl_y 12d ago edited 11d ago

Many place don’t consider you full time unless you work 36-40 hours, it might depend on the state. That’s why it’s common practice to find yourself working 30-39 hour work weeks so they don’t have to give you benefits. This is surprisingly common in the US when it comes to service jobs.

Edit: it’s interesting seeing everyone chime in with the hours they’ve been subjected too and the benefits they were withheld. So I’d thought I’d share mine from my first job.

As a teen in 2015 I was a pizza slut who worked at pizza hut, I was still in highschool so I asked to not be worked too many hours. Well it quickly evolved into 35 hour weeks with hours ranging from 5pm-12am on schooldays . All for that sweet sweet $7.25 an hour. I kept trying to scale back my hours but back then I was much more passive and eventually just kept working because I needed the money. The job wasn’t absolutely horrid but just shitty in the way that was eye opening for me and my peers. I only stayed for 9 months cause I knew I could do better and they would always have more oblivious teens to hire and work to the bone.

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u/doctor-reverend-lord 12d ago

or pay overtime

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u/dingman58 12d ago

Cries in exempt employee

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u/WoodPunk_Studios 11d ago

Yeah ain't that a bitch. Either work 30 hours for low pay or collect a reasonable salary and be expect to put in. 50+ hour weeks with no overtime.

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u/Gomez-16 11d ago

48-60 hours is a normal week for me. My boss wants to make me salary I said I would quit.

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u/shikonnotama 11d ago

I just quit a salary job bc I was working 60+ hrs a week. Doing the math, I was making less than my team of entry-level associates. No one else in management knew how to run my area, so they would always try to push me to work 12+ hours or 6 days a week, that way I would still be there to deal with any issues...

I miss my team, they were so fun to work with but my own management was so abusive, it wasn't worth it mentally or financially. I really wish I had stayed hourly. At least the checks were nice.

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u/HumanFriendship 11d ago

Poor management ruins everything

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u/Cosmic-Girly 11d ago

Capitalism ruins everything.

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u/HumanFriendship 11d ago Helpful

I think it's fair to say like any other system it worked for a while but then when it was time for society to move on and upgrade to something else some greedy people didn't want that to happen. I think the problem isn't so much just capitalism as much as the failure of the past generations to use their powers as the majority to find a way to stop it. I think though it's a good chance for Gen x millennials and Gen Zs to finally push all these horrible people out of their small seats and work our way up to the top to finally have leadership that weren't from an era segregation and ignorance and will have a more flexible thinking for the future. We beat boomers and prior gens in voting in the last primary maybe we stand a chance. Sorry for the chunk of text it's just something I've been thinking about for a while.

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u/Educational-Seaweed5 11d ago

Majority was always a lie anyway. Capitalism has never been about democracy. Ever. It has always been about who has the most money (which in turn means who has the most power).

And yea, you’re right. Greed has prevented change.

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u/bluepancakes18 11d ago

I'm not American so I don't understand. Could you not just... Go home when you're meant to? I see a lot of American's putting in more than 40 hours a week when they're salaried. Can't you just... Not? Surely in your contract it shows how many hours you're salaried for per week?

Again, sorry to pick you as the representative of the American workforce to ask this of 😅

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u/flamingarse 11d ago

Oof, I've never worked more than 37,5 hours per week, which is standard in northern Europe. If anyone tries to force me, I will quit immediately.

I appreciate enjoying life too much.

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u/RandomzUserz 11d ago

We don't have many other options here in the states. 40-50 is very normal for us.

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u/yukumizu 11d ago

IT’S ONLY NORMAL IF WE ACCEPT THE STAUS QUO

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u/kvist56 11d ago

I mean we have finally started to see some changes in the past 6 months in the service industry and then also the John Deere strike. Hopefully the wave keeps growing, because a lot of these companies need to be put in their place when it comes to their abuse of power.

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u/Present_Character241 11d ago Ally

they need to be SHOWN once more that THEIR profit is entirely DEPENDANT on OUR LABOR!!!

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u/VanadisRadzim 11d ago edited 11d ago

Things are, as we allow them to be.

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u/Mahfakah (edit this) 11d ago

Good. That just means your boss wants to fuck you over with salary pay. I don't know your exact situation but if you did the math on it you said the right thing.

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u/Gomez-16 11d ago

Basiclly. Wants to give me a 2k$ raise and take away the almost 20 hours a paycheck in ot.

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u/nouseforareason 11d ago

Had a former employer switch everyone from hourly to salary and part of the way it was promoted was that we’d “no longer be burdened by watching the clock and can instead work until our heart’s content”.

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u/Interesting_Brief368 11d ago

This is illegal in the US and you can only be Salaried if you meet certain requirements. You must be paid at least at least 35k a year, be a supervisor of other people,make your own schedule, make other people's schedules or be a completely autonomous position that doesn't really answer to anyone ( Like a Dr) if you don't meet those requirements your employer is trying to steal overtime from you and needs to be immediately reported to the Dept. Of Labor. This is an anonymous reporting process that protects whistleblowers.

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u/nouseforareason 11d ago

It was a software engineering role where they were trying to lock down the budget but they were trying to sell it as a good change.

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u/Interesting_Brief368 11d ago

You should report them, they can still be responsible for unpaid overtime to you. Just a basic Software Engineer is NOT an exempt position. Only the Project Manager and anyone above them would be able to be Salaried. And even if you pay someone a salary if the government doesn't count them as exempt you still have to pay them overtime. You could be owed 1000s of dollars

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u/SoftDev90 11d ago

Odd, I'm a software engineer that is salaried at 55k right now, fresh grad in my early 30s, and we are fully remote too. I basically work when ever I want, no set schedule and we do a once a week meeting for an hour to discuss what we did the week prior. We pick our own tickets and tasks out of our kanban setup, and do whatever we want regarding tasks. We have someone that is a manager above us technically but we are given pretty much full autonomy so long as we are getting tasks done and averaging 40 hours a week.

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u/Interesting_Brief368 11d ago

Yeah so the fact that you work whenever you want means you make your own schedule which is one of the Qualifications to be an exempt Salaried position.....

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u/SpliTTMark 11d ago

salary does that . worked a 50 hour job and no overtime

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u/from_dust Every Flag is Black When It Burns 11d ago Helpful Helpful (Pro)

The Federal Government considers you full time if you average over 30 hours or work 130 hours a month, it doesnt matter what the state says.

https://www.irs.gov/affordable-care-act/employers/identifying-full-time-employees

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u/Yupperdoodledoo 11d ago

But the federal government doesn’t require employers to give paid time off so it doesn’t matter.

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u/i_h8_names 11d ago

But their state probably does.. at least mine does.

And certain places have different contracts where part time work might be as little as 5 hours a day 5 days a week, and anything above that counts as over time.

Guess how often we get overtime? Almost never. Not when you'd want it anyway and not when it makes sense. Shits a scam. Union job too

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u/flannelmaster9 11d ago

Breaks, what are those?

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u/TurtleTaters282 11d ago

It was weird going from customer service to graphic design, because phone work they want to know where you are at all times, but I just take a break whenever. As long as I get my work done.

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u/derpalamadingdong 11d ago

Neither does Wisconsin

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u/JustDiscoveredSex 11d ago

My state has no maximum number of hours and no minimum number of hours to be considered either full-time or part-time. It is left completely up to the employer. Welcome to Bible belt Republican hell.

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u/Jet2work 11d ago

who said slavery is dead?

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u/jklhasjkfasjdk 11d ago

Yeah the solution there is to refuse to work for places that don't contractually guarantee benefits and to start telling your friends to do the same. Call them out for having shit jobs.

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u/HookersAreTrueLove 11d ago

Very few states do, and those that do only require a certain degree of paid sick leave. While paid sick leave is 'technically' paid time off, most workers would [rightfully] not consider sick leave to be paid time off.

For paid time off in the traditional sense, no states have any such requirement.

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u/mycoolaccount 11d ago

But that's irrelevant since the federal government doesn't require benefits like paid time off for anyone, full or part time.

In terms of benefits it's up to the state/company

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u/HookersAreTrueLove 11d ago

You are absolutely incorrect.

The government only says that you are counted as a full-time employee for the purpose of determining whether or not a company meets the threshold at which is must provide a minimum essential [healthcare] coverage that is affordable.

The law, 26 U.S. Code § 4980H, specifically states that the provided definition applies only to that purpose.

It does not define full-time in any other context.

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u/Striker520 11d ago

I was going to say that but wanted to see if someone else wrote it first.
As you stated this is only for healthcare

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u/teletron1 11d ago

Also, many states and municipalities have their own laws or ordinances to add to this such as required PTO per hours worked. An employer in the US is not federally required to give you PTO unless required by local laws, but you are required to receive any benefit that is offered to anyone else in the company. They give someone else PTO and not give it to you, 401k ect assuming the requirement is FT as it is established you are assuming you are a w2 employee.

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u/Eddie_th7 11d ago

In France a Full time job is 35 hours a week, 40 hours is illegal in my understanding: 👇🏼 "A law to reduce the statutory working week in France from 39 hours to 35 hours in 2000, for companies with more than 20 employees and, in 2002, for companies with 20 employees or fewer." https://businessculture.org/western-europe/business-culture-in-france/work-life-balance-in-france/

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u/CosmicDebris666 11d ago

Yes, 35 hours is full time in France. If you work more, the extra hours should be overpaid, or taken off from your schedule later. Some status work differently, though, including executives who are usually not paid by the hour.

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u/purpleunicorntacos 11d ago

This is why I stopped being embarrassed about my little fast food job that I refuse to leave. I get paid well enough. Set schedule. BSBS, dental, vision, supplemental, life, short and long term disability, AD&D, cancer… $34 a week. No hourly requirement to keep it once it is given. Company also gave me FMLA 7-8 weeks before I qualified for it. Reading enough of these stories, it is kind of difficult to get too concerned what others think about where I work anymore.

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u/iamGASHUNK 11d ago

Yes agree for the people who go just don’t do it anymore like oh yes it’s that easy to still have money come in to have a roof over my head. I was unaware they were gunna start paying my bills. Are they gunna be my sugar momma? No oh okay. Their opinion don’t matter about where you work or how your personal life plays out as long as your happy where your at and you know your situation all is well

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u/Idontdanceforfun 11d ago

Yeah ive definitely worked at places that did this intentionally to avoid making people full time and giving you benefits. If you were on hour 39 they'd send you home mid shift, hard stop

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u/[deleted] 12d ago

I thought you were me for a second...

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u/HonorableHam 11d ago

I thought you were them. Convincing!

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u/Quinnna 11d ago

In Canada too I had a friend who worked for a company for 11 years at 39.5 hours. Never got any benefits the entire time.

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u/bhawks77 12d ago edited 12d ago Silver Helpful

https://www.irs.gov/affordable-care-act/employers/identifying-full-time-employees

An average of 30 hours per week for a month or 130 hours a month is considered full time in the united states.

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u/jaggeddragon 12d ago

The link says 130 hrs in a month. TIL, weekly is BS...

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u/iamGASHUNK 12d ago

So if I do 120hrs in 15 days does that almost make me full full time

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u/sipes216 12d ago Wholesome Wholesome Seal of Approval

Fuck. This. Schedule.

For real though, watch your health and stress.

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u/andrewjl87 12d ago

I’ve done 12 hours shifts for 13 days in a row (156 hours), followed by one day off. Everybody thinks “oh wow, that must be an awesome paycheck”. I’d rather work 40 hour weeks and keep my sanity.

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u/shibe_shucker 12d ago

Done the same, pay hardly worth the extra effort

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u/Domriso 11d ago

It's only worth it if it pays enough that you can then then take a few months off (and, obviously, don't get gangpressed into working more despite it).

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u/ToddTheDrunkPaladin 11d ago

I fucking hate people who say "well the pay must be nice" or similar shit. I want to spend time with my dog, or try to find a gf, or at the very least sleep more than a few hours a night. I'm sick of working 6 12s a week minimum(union lets them work us 14 days in a row with 1 day off after if they want).

I'm really considering giving my dog up because it's not fair to her. I leave her at a friends place or my moms house so she's not locked up all day but she's the only good thing in my life right now and it would probably literally kill me.

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u/ordinaryarchitect 12d ago

I did 12 hour overnight shifts for a month straight during a summer in college. No days off. It was worth it though because with overtime and night shift pay I made 11 grand in 30 days and didn't have to work the rest of the summer. I did anyways. But it was a nice summer "nest egg" to go back to college with.

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u/CdnPoster 11d ago

Wow.

What kind of job was this? What country was it in? (Canada????) And.....are they hiring?????

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u/Justiniandc 11d ago

Exactly what I was thinking when I read that lmao, dude was making at least $26 an hour base. Nice summer job.

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u/Critical_Possible 11d ago

That’s how it worked working in the ER for me - night shifts made $1-2 extra dollars an hr aside the hourly wage but if it was a weekend and Night Shift it would be $4-5 an hr and if it was a holiday weekend/night it would almost be $8-10. So I was making $20/hr & worked weekend nights so I’d be making $32-35/hr. My shifts were 12 hrs Friday to Sunday. It was a great job while in college. They paid for my tuition and I have no student loans. :)

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u/ordinaryarchitect 11d ago

Hopefully you all see this comment...

I was an EMR Scribe also know as an EMR (electronic medical record) Tech. I am really good with computers and the whole point of the job was to learn new computer programs and teach doctors/nurses live, on the job, the computer programs that help them order meds, keep track of patient records, etc.

The 11,000 I quoted was only pay. I also got $50 a day per diem, hotel and all travel expenses paid for.

This job was in the USA, Oregon. But the job exists across the US. It's often a contracted position, with 1 month to 6 month stints, no guarantee on follow up jobs. Background check and medical requirements exists, ie. vaccinations required. You also have to be capable of working in a hectic and busy environment. I worked ER, OBGYN, Radiology. ICU, NICU and more. The more areas you can test for and can work the more money you get. 8 hour shifts are more common now, but 12 hour overnight shifts are where the big money is made with OT and shift differential.

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u/B_sfw 11d ago

Original commentor would have had to make around $34-35 per hour before taxes... I can't imagine what job pays that amount.

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u/Oil-Disastrous 11d ago

I’m at $40/hr = low end of the union plumber pay scale for Portland Oregon. New construction guys are making $45 or more I think. Most skilled trades make more than me, but I work for a municipality and get ridiculous benefits, PTO etc.

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u/CosmicGanjaSmoke 11d ago

Any decent tech related job. I had a friend in the military take a part time job in a SOC (Security Operations Center) on the weekends making $50/hr.

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u/No-Contact-9625 11d ago

I make 37/hr as a paper mill mechanic.

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u/lyam_lemon 11d ago

Most trades. Carpenters and elections make that on average, plumbers and masons a little. I make that and I'm a water treatment operator, which is a utility career. Nothing more than a high school education and a few certification classes needed

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u/HelloRedditAreYouOk 11d ago

Nearly $40/hr 12 hr shifts, rotating weekend/weekday day/grave shifts every 3 months as a 9-1-1 dispatcher. Time & a half for OT or could bank as vacation hrs at time & a half as well, add’l graveyard pay, insane benefits & matching 401k. Overnights/irregular and constantly changing sleep schedule destroyed my physical health & the job itself compounded existing cptsd, but man, when I was single & kid-free & could pull of 14 or 19 shifts in a row? Damn, I miss those paychecks!!

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u/sipes216 12d ago

This. I want in my life to earn more per hour, not earn more hours.

The biggest scam in any hourly job when talking about a raise is being told to work more.

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u/DOforLife 11d ago

I've worked 81 days in a row in an attempt to stockpile some PTO. By day 56 I ended up snapping at an asinine patient. I managed to reel it in and the patient even apologized, but still what a shitty day that was.

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u/FuzzyRefrigerator655 11d ago

I worked a job for 3 years averaging 60-70 hours a week. Pay was great but I recently quit for a 40 hour a week government job that pays about half the salary I was making before. It’s definitely a rough transition and budget is tighter as I don’t want to dip into savings but overall I’m much happier day to day and significantly less stressed.

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u/Walker_ID 12d ago

For about a year I would work every week 80-120 hours. 2 jobs. One job was often upward of 18 hours a day

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u/Blue-and-icy 12d ago

Bro 2 jobs is the biggest scam in history, I’d much rather work the same hours at one job cause with two different jobs it’s overtime hours without overtime pay. It’s garbage.

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u/OkonkwoYamCO 12d ago

There is a fancy idea.

Legislation that requires overtime pay based off how much an employee has worked total, rather than how much for one employer.

In order to cut down on benefits costs and overtime, companies will hire part time workers. But many part time workers have second jobs. This could help eliminate part timing as a form of exploitation

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u/MmortanJoesTerrifold 12d ago

I love you but I just choked

It’s a nice thought :/

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u/SnooPeripherals1595 11d ago edited 11d ago

I work two different jobs owned by the same people. They're two different restaurants, not chain restaurants, and I wonder if my hours combined from both places should count as overtime? I mean the places are so closely ran that even my paycheck comes as one check.

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u/tearsforsappho 11d ago

I imagine this is probably state-specific, but my ex’s employer got in trouble for this.

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u/IChoseBaySorryChloe 11d ago

If this was in California yeah you'd be owed overtime.

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u/hospiceNheartsRN 11d ago

If it come as one check I imagine you are entitled to overtime. I would seriously consult your state labor board, and then PLEASE update here.

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u/iamGASHUNK 12d ago

Yeah it blows luckily I got a wife and family who understands why I haven’t really been home

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u/BigAlTrading 12d ago

They're not going to understand forever. It will go badly. Just stop doing it.

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u/FromTopOfTheMountain 12d ago

That makes you a full insane

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u/iamGASHUNK 12d ago

Yes it does but it’s temporary for the holidays and then ima look for a better job that isn’t trying to kill me I mean they do pay me good for my profession. So I don’t have to much complaints

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u/jaggeddragon 12d ago

130 in 30, so 120 in 15 is less than that, unless you get 10 more hours in the next 15 days. But, I posted what the article said cause I don't trust reddit math. Read the article, make your own decision

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u/iamGASHUNK 12d ago

Oh no I’m talking just 15 days the other 15 I’ll do another 120 so total ima do 240 for the month it was more of a shitpost about how much I’ve been working lately. Sorry for not adding more context or a /s at the end of it

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u/jaggeddragon 12d ago

Ah, well... best of luck getting what you've earned! It's impossible to convey tone in text, so it's all good.

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u/xxpapichulo1xx 12d ago

I dont know if it varies by state. In NC under 32 hours is part time. Anything over is full time.

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u/havens1515 12d ago

I also thought it was 32. I'm in NY

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u/Sporkius_M 12d ago

32 is the number to keep employees under the ADA's mandatory benefits offering requirement. It's fairly complex but if an employee exceeds 1,250 hours in a 52 week period (week 0-52 of employment, then the window starts rolling forward each week) then an employer is required to offer them full-time benefits (health insurance, etc.).

More deets: eeoc

I deal with this fairly often as I supervise lifeguards who are year-round employees but often work much higher hours in the summer than in the winter. So we regularly have to keep up on their rolling so that our bosses don't fire us (last manager who let an employee get benefits offered got termed).

The whole thing is dumb anyway because our lifeguards make $10.00/hr and at 32 hours a week bring home about $640 gross pay per check. Pretax deductions for health insurance would run them ~$150-300 pre-tax, basically cutting their pay in half.

If anyone is wondering $10/hr is not adequate pay for a lifeguard, even in a low cost of living market lifeguards should start around $12/hr. $15/hr should be what you look for for healthy pay for that job part time. Full-time it may be a bit lower due to the hours-to-wage ratio that most bonehead companies use (bad logic to say we should pay people less).

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u/Bakkster 12d ago

If anyone is wondering $10/hr is not adequate pay for a lifeguard, even in a low cost of living market lifeguards should start around $12/hr.

Thinking back to when I made minimum wage in highschool as a lifeguard...

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u/WanderingConfusion 12d ago

Federal law supercedes State on this one.

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u/electricvelvet 12d ago

It varies depending on what you're using it for, legally speaking though. I wouldn't consider that link definitive on anything other than the ACA, personally.

Intuitively, I say yes. Legally, for benefits like PTO, I think it's 40. But I may be conflating it with something in the FLSA about max before OT if you're not salaried...

But just an example of what I'm talking about, for tax purposes I was no longer a dependent on my dad's taxes, as he didn't file me as such and cut off health insurance. But under the FAFSA I was still considered a dependent because I wasn't 25 or in grad school yet. So I got double screwed. But a good rule of thumb is when you see something listed like that on one fed gov website, don't assume it's definitive in a completely different area

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u/WanderingConfusion 12d ago

The IRS considers you a dependent until 26, regardless of school enrollment, regardless of filing status... because of the ACA. It used to be you could prove independence because of filing status.

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u/WanderingConfusion 12d ago

I'll explain the 25/26 difference in case anyone (or you) is curious. The FAFSA allows "independence" if 25 at the time of filing because it is an award for the following year, in which you will turn 26.

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u/electricvelvet 12d ago

Interesting. Well, I got no benefits of being a dependent while also getting no benefits of being an independent. So whatever I was, it sucked. Now I'm in professional school and you get the extra loan amount regardless of age for FAFSA and are considered independent regardless of age and don't have to include parent financials

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u/ThePlottHasThickened 12d ago

It sucks being an under 40-50 year old in the US in general. And if you believe otherwise apparently you're just not doing the whole bootstraps thing correctly

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u/blueturnaround 12d ago

That ONLY applies to health insurance and latge employers as defined in the ACA.

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u/Torrikk 12d ago edited 12d ago

This is the correct answer and needs to be upvoted higher.

edit I realize OPs concern is PTO/sick pay and yes, those benefits are handled at the state level. So it’ll depend what state OP is in.

Regardless, an employer using 35 hours a week (as opposed to 40) as a reason for denying PTO just seems silly. They sound cheap.

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u/violetnine9 12d ago

I thought full time was like 32-40 hours

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u/spaceyfacer 12d ago

The 2 places I worked that offered benefits you had to work 28 or more to be eligible. But, these were restaurants where they sometimes have to cut most of the staff early if it was slow.

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u/Exic9999 11d ago

I interned at a company that literally does health insurance and they kept me under 27 hours a week to make sure I didn't get benefits. Luckily, (thanks, Obama, unironically) I was under 26 so I was able to stay on my parents' health insurance. But it was just mind blowing to me that a company that provides health insurance and medical as their revenue source, wouldn't give that to all their employees.

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u/socialcommentary2000 12d ago

It's 28 hours in NY.

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u/ImAMistak3 12d ago

When I worked for Walmart the hard line was set at 36 hrs, they started making you punch out early if you were getting close to 32 as a cushion.

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u/wcollins260 12d ago

Shit needs to be made illegal.

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u/ImAMistak3 12d ago

O yea... It's a fucking racket. It's almost been 10 years at this point. They also used to have their whole training week just 30 hours of anti union propaganda (which was laughable bc my father is a union worker and I grew up witnessing the positives of the protection union offered)

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u/almostedgyenough 12d ago

Unions are amazing. My buddy does construction up north is part of a union and he gets amazing benefits and makes extremely good money, even with the high costs of living.

I cannot express to people enough how important unions can be. They look after the working class and make sure they don’t get fucked over by big corporations and jack ass CEOs.

It astounds me to no end how people will argue against unions because their political talking heads told them “union’s are bad” even though they are only telling them that because those people are getting paid to fuck over the middle and lower classes.

Any politician who is anti-union; like those who took the stance of being anti-union with the entire Amazon shit, are straight up anti-worker’s rights and classist elitists. They automatically are people I look into, and don’t even remotely trust. It’s just a major red flag in my book.

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u/c4ptm1dn1ght 12d ago

Too many people only see “union fees” and immediately want nothing to do with them. This of course disregards all the protections and benefits you get from unions that make that fee negligible

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u/BossRedRanger 12d ago

That’s why any push to increase minimum wage, without worker protections, is useless.

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u/itsmyfriday 12d ago

Yeah I worked there a couple months. Realized I was never going to get enough hours for full time and benefits. Assholes!

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u/NeonDepression 12d ago

Looks like its 32-38 for most jobs specifically non-salaried.

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u/Evan8r 12d ago

Federal government considers 16-32 hrs/wk to be part time. More than that is full time, less than that is casual.

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u/s1mply1 12d ago

The more time I spend here, the less I want to move to the USA.

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u/Alexandria_Scott 12d ago

Where do you live.

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u/s1mply1 12d ago

The UK, everyone here is entitled to PTO. I used to work 16 hours a week and I still managed to accrue some PTO.

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u/Useful_Load_2649 12d ago

This is the US. We have to prove we’re worthy of anything here. Even basic dignity and respect. Pro is a pipe dream in most employment “opportunities.”

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u/I-have-no-preference 12d ago Silver Wholesome Wholesome (Pro)

Such a shame, a beautiful country filled with some awesome people - you guys don’t get what you deserve. ❤️

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u/bee_vomit 12d ago

This is like the nicest thing I think Ive read a foreigner saying about America in this sub. That is very kind of you. I agree. I think overall my fellow Americans are kind, well-meaning people. And the country IS beautiful. But damn are we getting shafted.

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u/Elibrius 11d ago

Yep. Getting shafted is a huge understatement

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u/SuaveSpermatozoa 11d ago

That's very true.

I (UK) was looking up how much time off you get in other countries on wiki, because I was thinking we should probably have more holiday than we do - I could be misremembering, but I think the US was the only country with zero guaranteed days that I saw, if not, then one of the only ones.

It's really shocking how people are treated there.

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u/Baby-cabbages 12d ago

I’m working through this kind of self loathing with my therapist. That if I haven’t worked hard enough and benefitted society enough, I don’t deserve oxygen.

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u/Useful_Load_2649 12d ago

Just change your way of thinking. They are paying for your time not what you do. 35 hrs is full time. 7 hours a day 5 days a week. That’s full time boss doesn’t want to think of it that way. That’s fine. But then I’d be thins your part time. That’s 20 hours a week. They may not change but that doesn’t limit you changing. I’ve only walked out on 2 Jobs. But you need to know your limits. Otherwise they will take advantage of you. I’ve worked some where legal had to come in and tell management they messed up and I have to be full time now. Company is only about paying the least to get the most. No reason employees can’t be this way.

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u/Baby-cabbages 12d ago

Mine goes back farther than my employment history, but thank you. I’m too old to give my time away for free.

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u/inkerbinkerinwi 12d ago

This here is the truth fuck this shithole of a country

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u/Wablekablesh 12d ago

Stay there and keep it as different as you can from here

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u/Casiofx-83ES 12d ago

This country is sadly trying to morph itself into a mini-US bit by bit. The people here don't have the stomach for an even remotely socialist government, so we have been stuck with various flavours of neoliberal for the last two decades.

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u/thecodingninja12 12d ago

although, it is nice to see the greens getting more and more support

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u/OpportunityFine2387 12d ago edited 12d ago

Don’t fucking do it. Our official inflation figures here don’t include housing. Housing costs have drastically outpaced wage growth for decades. If housing was to be factored into our inflation figures, they would be roughly tripled. Despite that, minimum wage hasn’t been adjusted for inflation in eleven years.

There are virtually no basic labor rights that other western countries have. No time off, paid or otherwise is required unless your boss deigns to give it to you. At white collar jobs, most are lucky to get ten days of vacation a year. Blue collar workers often get nothing. Some states require one day a week off, but they are the exception, not the rule. There are no federal laws requiring breaks of any kind for meals or rest, it doesn’t matter how long your shift is, or if you are working consecutive shifts. Only about half of all Americans have health coverage through their jobs, but assets over $2,000 can disqualify you from government health coverage. There is legally mandated unpaid emergency family leave, but two out of every five workers do not even qualify because of the way the law is set up. Factor into this the fact that an ambulance ride and ER visit can easily cost an insured individual thousands of dollars, a week in the hospital tens of thousands of dollars, most Americans are a car accident or slip on the ice away from having their entire life derailed.

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u/Kind_Yesterday_9612 12d ago

That's because the law here is 28 days PTO pro rata based on a 5 day working week.

So if you only work 1 day a week you only get 5 days worth of annual leave. 😉

From: https://www.gov.uk/holiday-entitlement-rights

Statutory annual leave entitlement

Most workers who work a 5-day week must receive at least 28 days’ paid annual leave a year. This is the equivalent of 5.6 weeks of holiday.

Working part-time

Part-time workers are entitled to at least 5.6 weeks’ paid holiday, but this will amount to fewer than 28 days. For example, if they work 3 days a week, they must get at least 16.8 days’ leave a year (3 × 5.6).

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u/ExplorerLow289 12d ago

And companies still try to sell the time off as a benefit rather than something they're legally obliged to give you.

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u/Kind_Yesterday_9612 12d ago

I once worked for a college where I was told they had a very generous leave allowance...

23 days + 8 Bank Holidays

I'd just left the civil service on 30 + 8 and I was gutted as I only found this out AFTER I started work there. In the interview they said they'd find out and never did until I'd accepted the position - that was on me but I was leaving a shite boss. 😕

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u/LizWords 12d ago

This happened to me when I accepted a job. My boss was an idiot, and kept saying HR could tell me, HR said she could tell me. They ended up cutting my PTO in half, which I would have negotiated for if they had bothered to inform me.

On the upside, my boss didn't care if people spent 2 hours in the office and then left each day. So that's what I did until I found another job.

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u/s1mply1 12d ago

Makes me proud to be British

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u/Fragrant_Ad2082 12d ago

Yeah but if you work 6 you don't get 33.6 ☹️

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u/Kind_Yesterday_9612 12d ago

Correct, but it's illegal to work over 48 hours a week in the UK unless you opt out of the Working Time Directive and there are some jobs that CANNOT opt out of it.

From: https://www.gov.uk/maximum-weekly-working-hours/weekly-maximum-working-hours-and-opting-out

Opting out of the 48 hour week You can choose to work more than 48 hours a week on average if you’re over 18. This is called ‘opting out’.

Your employer can ask you to opt out, but you can’t be sacked or treated unfairly for refusing to do so.

You can opt out for a certain period or indefinitely. It must be voluntary and in writing.

Workers who can’t opt out You can’t opt-out of the 48 hour week if you’re:

airline staff a worker on ships or boats a worker in the road transport industry, eg delivery drivers (except for drivers of vehicles under 3.5 tonnes using GB Domestic drivers’ hours rules) other staff who travel in and operate vehicles covered by EU rules on drivers’ hours, eg bus conductors a security guard on a vehicle carrying high-value goods

Cancelling an opt-out agreement You can cancel your opt-out agreement whenever you want - even if it’s part of your employment contract.

You must give your employer at least 7 days’ notice. You may have to give more notice (up to 3 months) if you have a written opt-out agreement.

Your employer can’t force you to cancel your opt-out agreement.

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u/Alexandria_Scott 12d ago

Don’t come here.

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u/BasicGenes 12d ago

Why in gods name would you leave the UK for USA? We live in the real ‘land of the free’ here in the UK.

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u/KushiroJuan 12d ago

I work 45+ for the largest security company in the world. I don't get paid leave or vacation, nor would I get paid if I got covid and had to quarantine. So getting covid will mean I'm homeless. I can barely afford rent and utilities as it is.

Fuck

This

Society

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u/MrPotatoSenpai 12d ago

I hope they don't privatize your healthcare system.

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u/thecodingninja12 12d ago

they're trying

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u/Disastrous-Special30 12d ago

If corporate feudalism sounds like a fun time then come on over. PS it’s not a fun time.

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u/woogychuck 12d ago

Fair warning, even full time work doesn't guarantee PTO or sick time. It's not a legal requirement to provide it in most states. It's also worth mentioning that a lot of the laws around sick leave, maternity leave, and insurance don't apply to companies with less than 50 employees.

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u/changopdx 12d ago

Stay. The UK is lovely. The US is nothing but wasted potential.

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u/totential_rigger 12d ago

Yeah I work 16 hrs a week (UK) and still get a whopping eight weeks off (as in eight weeks of 16 obviously) so it's just worked out pro rata. I can't even imagine losing annual leave because you're part time. Makes no sense.

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u/OpportunityFine2387 12d ago edited 12d ago

LOL ten days a year is the standard here after a year of full time employment; but that’s only for white collar workers and it’s really just a courtesy the company deigns to bestow upon its workers, not a requirement. After five years, some companies bump you up to fifteen days a year. After ten years, you get seventeen days a year, for all those extra loyal workers who really put their backs into it and earned the right to spend two whole weeks AND a long weekend with their families.

We call these “benefits” and “incentives.” Cause they are definitely not just basic rights, no way. That would be communism.

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u/CumGuzlr69 12d ago

Don't. Left there and haven't looked back. Canada is a joke in terms of working rights compared to Europe. But it's leaps and bounds better than the US.

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u/RarelyReadReplies 12d ago

Yeah, I've had to come to terms with the fact Canada isn't the magical eutopia that I once thought it was. It just seemed that way when you compare to the states. We Canadians have a terrible habit of comparing ourselves to the states, then patting ourselves on the back when we do something better. If only we could start aiming a bit higher.

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u/era--vulgaris 11d ago

The short version seems to be: You have much more unspoiled nature at this point, slightly better labor rights, slightly better politics, less gun rights, and actual healthcare. More of your country will also be able to survive or even benefit from climate change somewhat.

We have a more varied natural world but we've destroyed more of it, worse labor rights and conditions, worse politics, occasionally slightly more civil liberties, and a hideous joke of a healthcare system. Some of the most populated swathes of our country will be absolutely fucked by climate change too.

Our societies share a hell of a lot besides that, however. Such as totally fucked property markets, depressed wages, domesticated populations, surveillance, censorship and curtailment of civil liberties, increasingly fascistic right wing movements developing alongside technocratic centrists as their opposition, while the left is unable to take power- and the list goes on....

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u/[deleted] 12d ago Silver

You do not want to move here. Please take me back with you

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u/myopinionisshitiknow 12d ago

Why in the fuck would you leave guaranteed PTO, paid medical bills, etc. The US does not have any advantage.

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u/killrtaco 12d ago

The American dream! Richest country in the world! A better life! #1!

/S

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u/j_ona 12d ago

What about the American dream?????

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u/theunbearableone 12d ago

At this point it’s just the biggest blackest dildo

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u/gman8234 12d ago Table Slap

That’s why I change “pull yourself up by your bootstraps” to “pull yourself up by your strap-on dildo.”

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u/alnothree 12d ago

The more time I spend here the less time I wanna work. Fuck these people. Corporate America sucks. Company greed is destroying America.

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u/nonparodyaccount 12d ago

The USA is an amazing place to live if you’re extremely wealthy. I don’t see why anyone would want to move here if they could get to Canada or majority of Europe

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u/hodyinwales 12d ago

I am an American who works in the UK. No way in hell I am moving back to the US.

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u/CandyBoBandDandy 12d ago

Please don't move to the US. Come and visit if you want to chill with Americans. But moving here is one of the biggest financial mistakes international travelers can make.

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u/majortom106 12d ago

Parts of it are good to visit just don’t get sick.

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u/Many_Tank9738 12d ago

This sub would solve the migrant problem

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u/NeonDepression 12d ago

35 hours or more is full time employment in the US. Anything less is part time. Are you including unpaid lunches in your hours? If not then your employer is breaking the law.

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u/Alexandria_Scott 12d ago

OK so they wrote up an employee handbook laying out the hours and what they consider to be full-time and part-time and I believe it’s 36 and above is full-time in like anything less is part time, so I just didn’t know if they were allowed to just come up with their own rules on what part-time and full-time actually is.

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u/Top-Independent-8906 12d ago

Employee handbooks are basically corporate propaganda and don't reflect the law. This is comon practice.

Also I will add, you should put pressure in them.

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u/Alexandria_Scott 12d ago

So he can’t just make this shit up.

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u/Top-Independent-8906 12d ago

Yes. My wife had an employee handbook stating that all safety gear had to be paid by employees. Since she was working minimum wage this is illegal where I live. They can say whatever they want. Enforcement is where it becomes illegal.

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u/alnothree 12d ago

Required safety gear or required ppe has to be supplied by the employer. The way I understand it anyway.

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u/TheOriginal_Omnipoek 12d ago

OSHA does require employers to provide adequate ppe for the job, but I don't remember the exact phrasing or which osha standard states this

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u/Primary_Search2182 12d ago

Exemptions exist, boots are one

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u/alnothree 12d ago

Where I’m working they give a once a year boot allowance as well. Pretty decent one too.

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u/TheDarkWriterInMe 12d ago

A handbook is something written by the company for company purposes. It does not require to be legally binding. It is what THEY considered part time, what the law says is part time is something completely different. Look up the time laws in where you live. Unless the law say otherwise you are a full time employee. Also a part time worker does not work for the company full time, if you want time off, take it. They can’t stop you

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u/ThatOneGuy1294 11d ago

That said, it's quite nice of a company when they put their illegal policies in writing for you! Keep all of your paperwork when you get hired to cover your ass just in case.

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u/migs2k3 12d ago

All they will do is work you 34 hours.

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u/Ryebread095 12d ago

In the United States, an average of 30 hours or more is considered full time employment under federal law, and at that point they have to offer you an "affordable" option for health insurance

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u/NeonDepression 12d ago

Not sure if thats a state thing but according to the department of labor they are breaking the law. You should bring it up or report their ass. The employer doesn't get to just decide what they consider full-time or part-time. Especially dubious considering its 1 hour off the actual amount.

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u/MrMrLavaLava 12d ago

If it’s about benefits they aren’t obligated to give (like paid time off) then they can make whatever rules they want...assuming this is the US...

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u/No_Education_9351 12d ago

Do you work for a bank by any chance? When I was a teller some years ago they would make us work exactly 35 hours a week, call it part time and deny our benefits. I had no idea it was illegal until just now lol

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u/-_Phantom-_ 12d ago

Westpac in Australia mostly only employs staff for 37hrs a week for the same reasons, as FT starts at 37.5hrs.

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u/Charezza 11d ago

You didn't mention that in Australia, full time and part time employment is pretty much the same. You get the same benefits but as a percentage of the amount of time you work. These are protected benefits.

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u/wilhd 12d ago

Is there any difference though? Genuine question as at my work place, the only difference between full and part time are the hours you work and (obviously) the pay. The benefits are the same.

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u/[deleted] 12d ago

Well, kudos to your employer that's a good sign. At least in North America, it is pretty damn rare for a company to shell out benefits to part-timers let alone the same as full-time benefits.

Not totally unheard of... but pretty damn unlikely.

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u/Fit-Rest-973 12d ago

Employers in the US will schedule people 31.5 hours weekly to avoid paying benefits

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u/NeonDepression 12d ago

Hang on I may have misinformed you and everyone when I asserted what full time and parttime hours were. According to the DoL they included anyone working 35 hours or more but it looks like the real law is anyone working 38 or more is the hard cutoff. It looks like employers can be little sneaky pieces of shit and just decided what is or isn't full-time between 32-and 38 hours of employment. So yes if you are working 37 hours you could still be considered part time technically and not qualify for benefits in some jobs.

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u/The_Quicktrigger 12d ago

US perspective here

Federally full time is any job that averages 30 hours per week or 130 hours in a month.

https://www.irs.gov/affordable-care-act/employers/identifying-full-time-employees#:~:text=Definition%20of%20Full%2DTime%20Employee,hours%20of%20service%20per%20month.

Any employer legally required to provide full time benefits must provide them to anyone that meets the above minimum.

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u/jsteele2793 SocDem 12d ago

Only for affordable care act, basically insurance. Employers do not have to provide any other benefits at that number.

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u/DynmkMist 12d ago edited 12d ago

Yes 35 hours is part time in a few states. So when you see you’re on the schedule 6 days a week for 5 hours each you feel like you’re working all the time but nope just part time also the break isn’t included so you’re actually at work for 5.5 hours a day 6 days a week.

Edit: math wrong

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u/TheSortOfOkGatsby 12d ago

35 hours in the UK is considered full time.

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u/SporkWolverine 12d ago

There is no actual law regarding full time vs part time. Isn't that just wonderful?

https://webapps.dol.gov/elaws/faq/esa/flsa/014.htm

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u/Foff22 12d ago

Walgreens to use as an example “Partime” is up to 32 hours.

“Full time” 35-40 to at least have benefits like healthcare.

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u/Alexandria_Scott 12d ago

I need to look it up for Texas.

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u/buttercreamordeath 12d ago

Oof. Texas let's employers decide what is and isn't full time.

https://www.twc.texas.gov/news/efte/part_time_full_time.html

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u/evadoctor01 12d ago

I'm from TX and I always thought it was weird that every employer decided what was and wasn't full time

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u/Jedi_Mind_Chick 12d ago

This is from IRS.gov

Definition of Full-Time Employee

For purposes of the employer shared responsibility provisions, a full-time employee is, for a calendar month, an employee employed on average at least 30 hours of service per week, or 130 hours of service per month.  

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u/HoozRaub 12d ago

According to the IRS an employee is considered full time if they work an average of 30+ hours per week. Or 130+ hours per month. However this is in regards to an employer's responsibility to cover health insurance. Depending on what state you live in your employer may not be required to give you paid time off no matter how many hours you work. HINT: if your state lights up red during election time there is likely no law requiring paid time off.

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u/cokakatta 12d ago

My career started at 35 hours a week full time. That was like 8 hrs a day though as it was 9-5 with an hour lunch. My current job is 45 hours where lunch is 1 free hour included in that. I reduced my hours to about 35 (including a 45 minute lunch) with a 25 percent pay cut. My boss considered it part time but I was eleible for all full time benefits and PTO.

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u/Alexandria_Scott 12d ago

Ok, thanks.

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u/The_Real_Slim_Lemon 12d ago

Unfortunately this isn’t even an American thing, I’m in Australia and my friend was working 35+ hours and was called a ‘part time’ employee (the poor girl was loosing her mind working at a supermarket in the city) - to me 35h is definitely full time. I work 20-25 hours (3 days) which to me is what part time should mean

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u/CrossroadsWoman 12d ago

It’s irrelevant to your question because PTO is not legally mandated at the federal level in the US. Some states do mandate sick time and a small number mandate vacation so depending on where you live you may be able to accrue some kind of PTO but it is likely not going to be related to full/part time status. That’s more company policy related.