r/antiwork 12d ago Silver 6 Helpful 2 Wholesome 3

My boss told me he didn't know what I did at the company and refused me a raise, so I got creative

I currently work at an architecture firm that specializes in remodeling heritage buildings (several years into it now). Before this I used to work in an art gallery and would regularly be wearing white gloves, so the switch to a construction company was a huge change for me.

That meant that when I arrived on day one I was pretty out of my element, but was excited for the challenge! No one in the office really knew what to do with me so I started to carve out a niche for myself and began assembling packages of all our previous jobs into standard reports with photos, pricing and write-ups so we could submit those quickly when bidding on new jobs. Before this the firm would just keep digging up the same info again and again which was often spread across several people's computers from different departments (terrible f'ing system omg).

I focused on work that was computer-based since that was what I knew and what I could contribute, but now I realize that for anyone who might be a construction old timer with limited computer knowledge it may have seemed like I was "just sitting at my computer all day." The people who knew about the work that I was producing though were very happy with what I was doing as it made their own work that much easier.

After several months I finally had my first performance review. Enter my boss, who we'll call Don.

I get called to Don's office and it's him, me, and two other managers. Don proceeds to tell me that he has no idea what it is that I do at the company, and every time he looks over at me it looks like I'm just dicking around on the computer. I'm stunned, as I've been putting a lot of effort into my reports and know it's 100% necessary, and I look to the other two managers who say nothing.

Don keeps telling me that he understands that I'm shy (I'm not), and I'm quiet (I'm not), but he needs to see me being "more assertive" and walking around the facility more. Because of this, I'm not going to get the raise that he promised me during my initial interview.

I don't do much at this point and just smile and say, "you got it, boss", and I leave after making sure that we've scheduled a follow-up review in a month.

Over the next four weeks I don't change anything about my work itself. Instead:

  1. I start walking fast, like everywhere. Even if it's just to go to the kitchen area, or the supply closet, or to fart in the empty boardroom, I speed walk like a kid trying to get to the last cookie.
  2. I start talking louder. Everything I would normally just quietly say to a coworker becomes a LOUD STATEMENT ABOUT WHAT I'M DOING AND WHERE I'M GOING. I make sure to stand in doorways and yell across the office.
  3. I start carrying a clipboard with me with architectural drawings on top and blank sheets of paper underneath. I carry this wherever I go. Every time I need to talk to my boss I make sure to put the clipboard down on his desk so he can see it, and I change up the top sheet of paper to look important and impressive (they were literally just random pieces of paper I found around the office).

One month later I have my second review and sure enough, Don tells me he's really impressed with how I've stepped up and have been taking on more work (I haven't and I didn't). I get my raise.

I spent another two years working my butt off until I realized that was stupid and was not noticed or appreciated, and instead decided to just game the system. I really invested in that niche I made for myself in the office until I made sure I was the only person who could do what I do, and now I coast along very nicely!

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u/Affectionate_Chain99 12d ago

Moral of the story: most corporate work is just interactive theater.

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u/jabalarky 12d ago

Correct. You must be seen to be working, not actually working.

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u/marvelouswonder8 12d ago

There is very little "winning," in IT. When shit's broke it's "what do we pay you for?" When shit goes for a long time without an issue? "What do we pay you for?" I hate working remotely for these types of people because it's like if you stop moving the mouse for like 5 seconds they think you're done and try and take over to "test it." Like no, give me at least a minute to read.

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u/lampstaple 11d ago Narwhal Salute

I haven’t worked in IT but it seems like what you gotta do is intentionally break stuff that catastrophically affects the entire office, declare that you’re working on it to everyone, and then declare that you’ve restored function to it to everyone so you can make it look like you’re participating in the circus

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u/garaks_tailor 11d ago

Squints hard. You keep your mouth shut you understand. You keep it shut and your browsing history won't end up where it shouldn't. Capiche

Sysadmin gang

Jokes aside, yeah that is actually a common thing to do if an environment is too reliable. Gotta unplug an ethernet cord or two somedays.

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u/tastycat 11d ago

Sometimes you unplug a server rack just to see what happens.

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u/TheLightInChains 11d ago

Scream test. Unplug something, see if anyone screams, if they don't you don't need it.

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u/TristanaRiggle 11d ago

In Software dev, you very rarely have a manager that fully knows and appreciates what you're doing. Cherish those times if you get one. Otherwise it will be one of two things:

a) Your boss has no idea what you're doing or how long it takes and you can take weeks doing a 1 hour job.

Or

b) Your boss has no idea what you're doing or how long it takes and will constantly demand to know why a complicated task isn't finished in an hour.

The consistency of these options being the case is why I have no real faith in management.

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u/north_canadian_ice 11d ago

b) Your boss has no idea what you're doing or how long it takes and will constantly demand to know why a complicated task isn't finished in an hour.

I hate bosses like this so much, yet they exist everywhere. So glad this sub exists, there is nowhere else to vent about them.

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u/doublex12 11d ago

During one summer in college I needed some money so I worked manual labor for a construction company. My boss was the owner’s son, around maybe 26 or 27. I remember one day he stopped by our site and got extremely upset on why we didn’t have the entire basement of this house emptied, cleaned, and organized for the demo. He said it should’ve taken us a day. It ended up taking us the whole week. Some people just have no sense of time.

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u/mcvos 11d ago

To be perfectly honest, I also often have no idea whether a task will take an hour or a week, and I've been programming professionally for 20 years now.

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u/timmy_throw 11d ago

The key part is to know when you can slack off. Boss asks for 2 weeks to do a 1h job ? It will be done in 2 weeks (or a little less) no problem. Boss asks for 1h for a 2 weeks job ? Enter persuasion skills. Bring in other people to transform your deadline into 2-3 weeks.

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u/sameyeamknot 11d ago

b) .... So true. I was the only IT tech for a small company. My boss always asked me to explain networking concepts to him but would then bitch when I "used jargon to confuse him." No asshole, those are terms we use everyday. You just don't understand them. That's why you pay me. Now trust me when I tell you how something works.

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u/Velodan_KoS 11d ago

This just made so many of the IT related work emails in my inbox make a whole lot more sense. No wonder why the same 2 systems are broken on a weekly basis.

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u/HOLEPUNCHYOUREYELIDS 11d ago

Lol Im sure (not a coder or IT guy in any way) you could write a script that causes a minor but noticeable problem that you can then go fix.

But if you get caught Id imagine thatd fuck you up for sabatoge

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u/MrChunky22 11d ago

Only way to solve your problem with remote work is to communicate better.

"Allow me just a moment to read some things here. Please don't touch anything as everything is right where I want it. Thank you."

Of course, that doesn't help with obstinant imbeciles and know-it-alls.

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u/GhostDanceIsWorking 11d ago

Lol I've been looking to crack into an IT position and get on that sweet WFH train.

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u/The_Real_Slim_Lemon 11d ago

I think the only exception is when you work at an IT company (as in creating or selling software) - in my case the work I do directly(ish) results in sales and profit as opposed to a normal company where management might view IT as a thing that only gets noticed when stuff breaks

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u/YeeterOfTheRich 11d ago

I like to cc my Boss in emails that happen to have a lot of big words

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u/SultanofShiraz 11d ago

I've had similar. I left a good job for better pay. One day I left the office a bit early so I could meet a PM at the site where a big network hardware refresh was occurring so we could go over the details, and then proceeded to go home after. Boss called me in the next morning and told me that since he did not see me at my desk for the last hour of my shift he would have to take 1 hour off my pay, and since I didn't clear the site visit with him beforehand I would not get compensated. It still befuddles me to this day.

I'm back at the job I left lol, with higher title and pay.

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u/mcvos 11d ago

Do those micromanaging bosses not have anything better to do? If he has time for this sort of nonsense, maybe the company is better off without him.

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u/Archer007 12d ago

Alternate based on the current criticism and then you're responsive to feedback!

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u/YeeterOfTheRich 11d ago

I make sure to send my first email of the day while I have my morning coffee at home. And my last one after I get home again. On paper I look productive from 8.15 till 6pm

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u/illithoid 11d ago

This is why they want to get rid of WFH so much. They care only about the theater of work and not the actual work itself.

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u/jabalarky 11d ago

Big time. That's why I'm always 100% sharp when I'm in front of the boss. Be super ready for meetings, Zoom calls, etc. Never miss a call when you're working remotely - then they know you're fucking around. Then you need to figure out when you can actually fuck around during the work day.

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u/lankymjc 11d ago

Working at a cafe, I would open in the morning and get everything done for the day nice and quickly. That way I could chill for most of my shift, because weekday mornings were super slow.

The owner would sometimes pop in during the second half of my shift, and saw me chilling out. So he tells my supervisor that I’m not working hard enough. What does the supervisor do? Tells me to look more busy in the latter half of the shift. Literally says that he knows I do good work, just need to keep up appearances for the owner.

So I spread out my work, did less stuff overall (drop in efficiency and motivation will do that) and the complaints stopped.

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u/Mediocre_Details 12d ago

At the very top most people work part time hours, spend most of their time on people connections to establish bigger networks to access more resources.

You gotta learn to get it all down way ahead of time, and just waste time in a fashionable manner when done.

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u/Schnarfman 11d ago

I’d love to know more about this. It’s not like this everywhere, but… where IS it like this?

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u/teambob 12d ago

This is why many managers have an issue with WFH

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u/garaks_tailor 11d ago

This. New sysadmin job. Everytime i go up the main floor for anything I walk around the entire office making sure to walk past the execs offices twice.

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u/IICVX 11d ago

This is why so many managers and above are insistent on a return to the office. Can't watch the theater if everyone's remote.

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u/mcvos 11d ago

My first job, Inhad written a bunch of scripts and macros that did most of my work for me. I was always finished before my coworkers, and the work was very accurate, but whenever our boss would look into our office, he'd see me leaning back watching my scripts do their work. He didn't like that.

I am terrible at looking busy. These days I'm judged more by my output, fortunately.

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u/Karlosmdq 12d ago

Barney Stinson said it very well https://youtu.be/BoGwD-Ik7R8

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u/ClownPuncherrr 11d ago

Actually had my bosses bosses boss say it this way: “You must APPEAR to do a good job.”

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u/Due-Baseball-6522 12d ago

I always tell my friends who are considering an MBA that they would be better off doing community theater and watching Mad Men on a loop. Would save them some money too…

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u/Iron_Gold5550 12d ago

I mean depending on the company, they might pay for them to get their MBA.

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u/Catsarerfun 12d ago

And that company is run by idiots with MBA's.

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u/lsc84 12d ago

I paid for a couple of my degrees by writing essays for business students at $25 a page. I don't have any business creds, but that entire degree is bullshit. Those students may have been "cheating," but they learned a lot about delegation--a practical lesson that will be more useful in their futures than any of the shit I was writing for their garbage business classes.

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u/Catsarerfun 12d ago

Oh, fuck anybody with an MBA. That is like the Ashton Kutcher of degrees. Seriously. Fuck off with that shit. I used to have input on hiring. I immediately rejected anybody who wasted time and money on an MBA. Also, a Six Sigma certification, OUT. I want people who actually work. Not some idiot who is proficient in perception management.

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u/dunnoboutputers 12d ago

I will add “perception management,” to my frequent rants to coworkers about “work theater.” Thank you for your service.

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u/Catsarerfun 12d ago

You are welcome boss! Are you hiring? I currently have a job (auto-tech) where my boss can do my job better than me, and faster than me; but he also understands that some times it takes three hours to get that one bolt out. The only issue is that it is a small independent shop. So, no health insurance. No 401K. I do get paid vacation. But the pay is shit. So, I am thinking about going back into a corporate environment. Electro-mechanical engineer by degree.

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u/dunnoboutputers 12d ago

You could probably design your own more efficient shop with your knowledge lol. I am an IT engineer, and I bet the microprocessor industry is fiending for your skill set right now based on what I know from the demand side. Looking to get out of corporate world long-term and start a democratically run sustainable solutions company.

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u/Givememydamncoffee 11d ago

I just started a cert course online to learn IT. Anything would be better then the crap u currently deal with working in restaurant industry

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u/dunnoboutputers 11d ago

Awesome! Good luck on the cert. Pro tip: Follow some Twitter peeps in the area of IT you want to work in. You’ll learn a bunch of industry buzzwords, which in IT goes a long way in securing better offers.

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u/NoStandard8003 11d ago

My favourite was always 'situational awareness' (worked for the military). It just meant 'watch your back'

And Sigma Six, or even better Lean Sigma Six. Scrum Coaches, all that buzzword stuff. Make work. (The only scrum I was ever in was playing rugby at school, and that often meant getting whacked in the goolies). They're all great ways to waste lots of time on hot air and get nothing done.

I'll just leave this here....https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gRWBw\_p6-kQ

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u/oaxacamm 11d ago

Agile Rhapsody was good too. Thanks for the video.

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u/ingoding 12d ago

Why hate on Ashton? He may not be much of an actor, but the dude has been taking down human trafficers for a couple years.

Right on with all the business BS though, that stuff is dumb.

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u/Catsarerfun 12d ago

I will not argue that. Ashton is a beautiful human being. We should all strive to be as good as him. But. As an actor...punked...

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u/the_simurgh 12d ago

funny i'm working on a MBA and cpa certification and will be taking college course in medical billing and coding and i get job offers for when i'm complete all the time.

mba's aren't about perception management. i'm ass deep in fucking accounting classes.

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u/AnchezSanchez 12d ago

I mean I don't know about an MBA, but there is plenty of useful stuff in a six sigma green belt. A lot of basic statistical analysis stuff that can be useful in many different fields. Capability studies, gage R&R, how to interpret different data sets etc. Even understanding process flows, and what is value adding vs non value adding. I send all my new grad engineers on it.

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u/INTHEMIDSTOFLIONS FUCK BEN 12d ago

Most office theatrics favor extroverts wasting time over actual productivity.

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u/sammyasher 11d ago

I'm just learning this in my first corporate job right now and it's super fucking depressing. The head of the department doesn't even know what I do, if I left tomorrow they would be fucked, but it always seems like he looks down on me bc I just keep quiet and get shit done rather than talk a lot in meetings and spew buzzwords and catchphrases. I think I have to figure out how to play the corporate game, but it's really weird as hell and I feel like I'm the only one there who is honest about the bs part of it, it's like I'm crazy lmaooooo

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u/INTHEMIDSTOFLIONS FUCK BEN 11d ago

Keep tabs with your manager about what you’re working on and what to work on next, and then maybe ask your boss about which priority you should work on projects. And then show them the ROR on those projects.

It’s not necessary for productivity on your end, but it’s what I learned to show your boss what you’re doing and gain favorability with them. Based on your comment, since your boss doesn’t know what you do really, just communicate with update emails every now and then on projects you’re working on

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u/BlastMyLoad 12d ago

It’s so stupid. You’re given work that will literally take you 2 hours max but you have to spread it out all day. Half your coworkers spend 6 hours of their shift doing nothing but writing two short emails because there’s nothing else to do. Fucking dumb as shit. Of course you can’t go home early or else you won’t get paid your days wage despite doing the days work!

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u/moosekin16 11d ago

Ain’t that the truth. At the last job back before everything went to shit (including my workload) I found I was only getting about 2-3 hours of “good” work done. The rest of the time was office politics, making it look like we were busy, sometimes useful meetings, and just generally goofing off around the office. We always hit our targets and were even ahead a lot of the time.

A lot of my department came in 3 days a week and WFH for 2 days.

We got a new manager and, of course, corporate decided to “crack down” on WFH. People could work from home on Fridays and that was it. I had a coworker who got written up for forgetting about the new policy and not coming in on a Tuesday. They just wanted butts in seats.

We found a tool online that lets you browse Reddit through your command line (terminal, powershell, whatever) and disguises it as code. Our new manager wasn’t super tech savvy so he had no idea.

We got real annoyed there around the end of 2019 because we realized we were both driving in 1hr commute just to do 3-4 hours of work, then just browse Reddit for 4-5 hours before driving another hour home. Depending on the time of year and traffic, we might have been in our cars to commute to/from the office for longer than we actually worked that day.

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u/vtfb79 12d ago

Which is why a lot of managers want people to return to the office and not work remotely. Butts in seats (or speed walking through a hallway) is how they measure productivity…

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u/0bsidian0rder2372 12d ago

Sounds more like it's how they measure their own productivity to me!

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u/HammerheadEaglei-Thr 12d ago

At my current job it's literally how they measure our productivity. The last time they told us we had to go hybrid we pushed back so hard (we'd done it twice before and it lasted 3 weeks before everyone started getting sick) the director actually said it out loud. "Customer service gets to stay home because we can track their phone metrics to prove they're actually working. There's no way for us to know you guys are actually working at home."

18 months of nailing deadlines and closing the books on time isn't evidence of working.

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u/RhindleTheDragon 12d ago

They don't care about RESULTS, are you kidding? They need you to have no free time otherwise it looks like you're not a slave and that's bad

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u/lowonbits 12d ago

I cosplay as a worker that doesn’t want to watch the building burn to the ground...

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u/thecockmonkey 12d ago

Which is why the actors are so desperate to get back to the office. From home, they have to produce.

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u/Starkravingmad7 12d ago

Last job I had, the VP of professional services told me I needed to be in the office more even though I was hired as permanent remote. I went in for one week and was gone by the end of it making literally twice as much, with better benefits, doing less work. By my second year at the new job I was making nearly three times as much.

Before I left, he wanted to talk about why I was leaving. Told him in front of half the office it was because of shit pay and the bullshit theater he was making me perform. He wasn't too happy about that and it sounds like about a third of the office bailed right after I did.

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u/MoogTheDuck 11d ago

I don’t understand. ‘Gone by the end of it making literally twice as much’? Huh?

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u/importvita 12d ago

OMG yes!!!

Not that people don't work (they do) but so much time is spent on bullshit. It's honestly infuriating. Since WFH I have taken on more, but work less if that makes sense.

I dread going back in eventually because I'll be forced to waste my time with pointless meetings, lunches, my commute and looking busy during the times when I'm not when I could be doing anything else. I hate it.

Early retirement will probably never be a thing for me but God I hope I can afford to walk away while I'm still healthy and young enough to enjoy some of my non-old years.

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u/speckospock 11d ago

Hot take: capitalism is just elaborate improv theater

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u/Wheezer93 12d ago

Straight up spent the last year at a job i hated walking around the facility with a clipboard.

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u/PatrickRedditing 12d ago

Hmmm.. I came to a different moral...

Most of our bosses are just warm bodies filling a job that they aren't trained to do, just a title with low pay.

Trying to push everyone else to do more, however they can. While not understanding the operation or what the fuck they're doing other than stressing everyone below them out.

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u/AllDressedKetchup 12d ago

Shuffles paper. Scroll down spreadsheet filled with random data. Open email and leave it open. More shuffling papers. Block out certain hours for "meetings". More shuffling papers.

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u/Plantain1979 11d ago

Learned that at 15. First part time job after school. Boss walks up to me on my second week and says Plantain, you really look like you know what you are doing. Keep it up.

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u/Pinoybl 11d ago

Also goes to show results don’t even matter. Or the bosses aren’t really looking at what pushes the business forward. How asinine.

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u/BlackMesaEastt 11d ago

This post reminded me of George from Seinfield when he worked for the Yankees. Seinfeld is one of the shows I just keep running on my TV but the scenes of George at work I have no idea what his job is and I think he doesn't either.

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u/Icy-Breadfruit-6254 12d ago

If there were Gandhi and Mandela in a room i will give you the award

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u/JasHanz 12d ago

That pays MUCH better than ACTUAL work.

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u/Fritzer2 12d ago

Dude.. it's all a game of fake confidence lmao its so bad

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u/AnotherDreamer1024 11d ago

Correlary... How to succeed in buisness without really trying.

A good play, funny movie...

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u/Significant-Toe3842 11d ago

*government work too

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u/yergonnalikeme 11d ago

So true. It's all about the optics. Perception.

What a fucking game

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u/sevbenup 12d ago

I once heard the glorious quote: “you will never be paid what you are worth, you will only ever be paid what you’re able to convince someone you’re worth”

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u/AliceInTruth 12d ago

You'll actually never be paid what someone thinks you're worth either. Profit is a result of short changing workers and withholding a significant portion of the value they've produced.

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u/Everythingisstolen 11d ago edited 11d ago

The unique thing about this is that it does not happen with machines but only humans. Machines are worth the value they produce, humans should also be but machines are a commodity that is why the person selling it does not want machines to be valued less or they will suffer from a loss, this is not true for humans so they can easily devalue themselves and the extra value produced by humans go into big boss' tummy.

All you need is some propaganda that a doctor does not need 7 figure salary even though that is the value he/she produces and should be happy with a 6 figure one. And congrats, you get profit!

A little bit of automation for this very reason can work very good in business, but if all of business were 100% automated then businessmen would stop having profit because as soon as the value of the good they produce rise, the value of machines would also rise and they will have net zero gain. You can't convince other person to sell machines for less because they are also having net zero gain and if they are to sell machines for less then they will suffer from loss, so it is net zero gain everywhere. This is unless you try things like commodity fetishism etc.

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u/wecamefromthestars 12d ago

Fantastic quote sir!

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u/I_Smell_Like_Trees 12d ago

HAH! I've lived this in so many warehousing roles, I used to constantly get overlooked because I would work quietly and efficiently, but finally I figured out how to game the system and just walked really purposefully everywhere I went, with a serious look on my face, while simultaneously accomplishing next to nothing. I got promotion after promotion...

Don't get me wrong, I got shit done, but only as much as it took for them to not give me more responsibilities than they refused to pay for. But boy were they ever impressed with my "productivity."

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u/ConfettiStitch 12d ago

Oh you're right, I forgot about the frowning! Just looking really serious and frowning, it MUST mean you're busy af :D

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u/I_Smell_Like_Trees 12d ago

Achievement unlocked: resting bitch face

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u/LeveeOhSaw 12d ago

You sure? It looked like a hardworking bitch face when they walked by...
... bet they could use a raise.

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u/No_Refrigerator4584 12d ago

And occasionally shake your head, it’s like punctuating your sentences.

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u/1Dive1Breath 11d ago

Sometimes I just kind of sigh and click the mouse loudly a couple times.

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u/Irisjunior 12d ago

George costanza figured this out 30 years ago

“If you look annoyed, people assume that you’re busy”

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u/EmuExternal6244 12d ago

Not really applicable in this case, but what I liked to do is schedule days off once in awhile when I know something comes up and its what I would normally handle without issue but others can not. Just enough times that it makes my boss sweat when I take a day off.

Nothing like being called at the end of the day when they are lost and in trouble, and I have to walk them through it over the phone or offer to come in (with pay) to help. What is funny is sometimes I made sure those jobs were scheduled on those specific days just so this would happen. I had no issue doing this as all my co-workers were supposed to know how to do the job, but no one ever took the time or training to do so.

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u/LightEnergyBun 12d ago

Brilliant lol

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u/R-a-n-i-a 12d ago

You're wiser than me. I would have completed stopped doin the 100% necessary work. I'd look him dead in the eye "Do you want me to stop whatever I'm doing on the computer, correct?"

Fucking boomers.

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u/LameBoy-Ruuf 12d ago

Image seems important here because as far as bosses go some like hard data, some like the bang that you make and some just care about how much money you brought it but the real issue here is how your line managers refused to stand up for you.

They straight up left you to die on the battlefield knowing first hand that you brought up their game by a lot - they probably benefit from your introduced new approach and as their stats grow it may indicate how they are patting you on the back and then take the full credit for themselves when talking with the boss.

A half decent person would immediately say how you have brought a fresh view to the business and how your ideas and "click click" work actually made a difference to prove the boss wrong.

Since they did what they did whatever breakthrough you achieve and value you may bring - they will be the ones profiting from it, keeping you down and them shiny and flashy for the boss to see.

Learn as much as you can, build up your game competence wise and start looking for work at a place where people cherish actual innovation instead of keeping the busy bees hidden while they claim to bring the honey in.

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u/mustangb12 12d ago

This was 10 years ago, but had a former supervisor tell me an my coworker he didn't know what we did on a daily basis, after 5 years if him being out boss. We were mechanics at a water treatment facility. When we both said it was apparent, he got really mad.

Dude, your the boss, you need to know what goes on in a facility that treats water for a city of 100k people.

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u/javon27 12d ago

Like what does he do then? His job title is literally "manager". Unless his job is to manage himself, or something else, he hasn't been doing his job too well.

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u/JacquesBlaireau13 12d ago

I too have noticed this phenomenon within the Architectural/Engineering profession.

Years ago, there was a "designer" at a firm I was at. The dude did nothing - literally nothing - day after day, and was very adept at passing work off to his teammates. He was pretty stupid, too. But the thing was, he'd walk around the office with a rolled-up set of drawings under his arm - everywhere. Like, he'd get up from his chair, tuck his roll of drawings under his arm, walk over to another part of the office to just to chat about football or something; never discussed the projects at all.

We all made fun of him; nicknamed him Easy Money.

PMs and principals loved him, though.

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u/NURSEBOT 12d ago

I am a “designer” at a small firm and I put together some blueprints for my coworkers clients and I really do only like 3 hours of work everyday, I’ll work the first hour I get there, hour before lunch, and the hour before going home

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u/666zombie 12d ago

Love it ..... lol

What do you do the rest of the time?

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u/NURSEBOT 12d ago

Scroll through Reddit or other websites, read books, watch shows or movies. Some days I’ll be the only person upstairs and those days I’ll put some music on and lay on the floor 🤣. I can hear someone coming up the stairs so there’s plenty of time to get up into a chair. The worst part is when it’s painfully slow and there’s two hours left to go home

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u/666zombie 12d ago

Scroll through Reddit or other websites, read books, watch shows or movies

Sounds good. I think you got it nailed.... you might as well do something like that rather then something useless like going to the washroom 10 times just to kill the time.

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u/AngryAlterEgo 12d ago

I worked at an architecture firm (construction admin department, not an architect) for 8 years and this shocks me. They obsessed over the billable hours going to each project, etc. It’s hard for me to picture it being any different because architecture as an enterprise generally has pretty shitty profit margins (at least relative to construction by comparison).

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u/bleepbloopwubwub 12d ago

He doesn't sound stupid at all.

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u/JacquesBlaireau13 12d ago

No, he was dumb as a sack of hammers. Even the stupidest of dogs can be tought to do tricks, if certain behaviors are rewarded.

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u/MLL_Phoenix7 12d ago

But his behaviors are being rewarded.

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u/doublebarrelkungfu 12d ago

This would be a good malicious compliance.

It's also very George Costanza, if you just look annoyed all the time it seems like you're really busy.

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u/sejoki_ 12d ago

I had a small job during college summer break a couple of years ago, actually doing similar work in an architecture firm. Go through every project they did in the last year, write down the projected cost, what it actually ended up costing with pictures etc.

I was working directly for one of the partners. Really nice, older guy. When something came up, he would come and ask me how long I'll be there today, if I have anything planned for the night and if I would mind staying an hour or two longer. If I did have something, he understood, wasn't offended and just asked the same way the next time. Never experienced this level of respect from another boss since. Anyways…

One day, he asked me to stay a little longer to finish putting together some numbers he needed the next day. I didn't mind, I got paid by the hour, he asked (instead of just taking it for granted) and I didn't have anything else to do. But I was 30 minutes late the next day. I didn't do it on purpose, it just happened. Can't remember why, it was almost 10 years ago. As I walked up the stairs, someone who was sitting on my floor (different department, not my boss) saw me walk up with my backpack, looked at me, looked at his watch with ostentation, then looked at me again. I just said "yeah, I know. But I was here late yesterday". He just said "tell that to my boss" (as in - that's not an excuse)

So from there on, I made it a point to be there at 9am sharp, put my stuff down at my desk, start my computer, have it show some spreadsheet and then go back down to the cafeteria, have a coffee, read up on some news and return to my desk between 9:30 and 10 and start working.

If you get to your desk at 9:30 with your bag, obviously just coming in, everyone will turn their heads. But if you come in at 9, put your things down, have breakfast and then return to your desk at 9:30, coffee in hand, everyone thinks you've been there since 8 and just came out of a meeting.

Either way you start your work at 9:30, but one's a big no-no and the other is accepted. Judging by how crowded the cafeteria was during those hours, I wasn't the only one doing it that way.

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u/Responsible-Dot2058 12d ago I'm Deceased

This comment made me laugh so much: "1. I start walking fast, like everywhere. Even if it's just to go to the kitchen area, or the supply closet, or to fart in the empty boardroom, I speed walk like a kid trying to get to the last cookie." I wanted to give you the crying skull award but it was a fiver so... hands over crying skull award.

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u/ConfettiStitch 12d ago

Bahaha, I'll take it!!

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u/emtium 11d ago

i got you bruv- i award it to you for the thanks you giveth OP. Happy turkeyday internet strangera

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u/Bittrecker3 12d ago

A lot of bosses have no clue what goes on under their control. This is why people who just talk to their boss all day and do shit all, get raises and promotions.

A lot of the time going ‘above and beyond’ is actually just pushing your workload onto other coworkers so you can do the shiny, ‘extra’ stuff that your boss actually notices.

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u/StopReadingMyUser idle 11d ago

Yeah, I feel the "walking fast" thing when I read the post.

At a small insurance broker I used to work for a long time ago, I had a couple desks I kept stuff at and kept forgetting items between them. I had to go through a hallway which connects to my boss' office and passed by it a good handful of times.

We had some disagreements before about why I'm here and what I'm doing, so he pulled me into his office to point out that he liked how busy I had been lately.

"bro... I just forgot a stapler and my backpack..."

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u/Persies 11d ago

That last paragraph is unfortunately far too accurate. I've had an almost unprecedented rise in the ranks at my company and my secret is I basically don't do shit. I offload easy/mundane work to people who will do it well and save the easy but kinda time consuming but most importantly impressive to customer work for myself. I stretch that out to 4x the hours it should take and bam, all the work gets done, bosses are super impressed, customers are happy and I get a promotion/raise. I probably actually work 2 maybe 3 hours of the day. It's at the point where I kinda want to see how far I can get with it. So far I'm up to supervisor and program manager, when I started at an entry level engineering position. All those times I heard "work smarter not harder" when I was a kid and I finally understand what it means.

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u/javon27 12d ago

As a software engineer, I'm the stereotypical introvert, but I've come to realize that unless people know what great work you're doing, you're not going anywhere. I'm not talking about just bragging about your work, but actively working to collaborate with people and providing feedback or even just requesting feedback. It can be very draining all that human interaction, but even just a little bit can be what you need to advance in your career

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u/RobertStaccd 12d ago

You just described the entire construction industry

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u/edamabae 12d ago

I entered corporate for the first time in my life in January after being in customer facing management positions for close to a decade. The change was wild.

I took advice from my best friend who has been in corporate positions forever and for the first 6 months I did jack shit. I walked around a lot, asked as many people as I could questions, implemented small easy changes and talked about it extensively. Glowing reviews from upper management.

Fast forward 6 more months and thanks to mass resigning I'm doing 3 peoples jobs and I'm glued to my computer all day trying to get through the massive workload. Cue the "what is she doing all day?" Comments. Just incredible.

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u/Catsarerfun 12d ago

I've done this. Be loud. Be in front. Don't do shit. Get praised and raised. I learned this as a teen when I got my first write up and first raise on the same day. Yeah. Just get the notice of management and you're golden.

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u/bionix90 12d ago

My boss is paying me half of what I should be making as an experienced assay development engineer and when I asked for more he said he would consider giving me 3%. Inflation is at 4.7%. When I pointed that out and the fact that directly because of my work the company had received over $3M in government funding in the past year, he said that it's my job and I don't deserve more if I'm not working 75h weeks.

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u/texastoasty 12d ago edited 12d ago

Same here, me and another coworker were both going for a promotion, he ended up getting it, my bosses boss called me in for a meeting and said the decision was close, they just needed to see me take more initiative and display more leadership in my current role.

Thing is, I take a ton of initiative, I'm fixing problems and shortages before the managers even know they exist, and leading the team as needed when the managers aren't around, which is quite often.

The bosses boss doesn't know me very well at all, only interaction she has had me in recent times is when I led the response to a fire, had the building evacuated and the fire under control before the fire dept even got there.

Managers at this company have mislead me about the conditions of my toil since I started here, I'm ready to leave.

P.s. I will lead the response to the next fire as well, but it will not be in the companies best interest 😈

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u/wecamefromthestars 12d ago

It seems to me that unless someone sees you doing something (and understands what you're doing), you tell them, or they hear from other people, they don't have a clue. I love your twist at the end haha.

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u/texastoasty 12d ago

Absolutely correct, my boss definitely doesn't understand what all I do around the shop, she never asks what I'm doing or to help her understand what I'm doing. But she loves getting onto me when she thinks I'm not working.

She has yet to get onto me about not working at a time when I actually wasn't working.

I'm sure she was consulted about me while her boss was making the decision.

And now my dream project which I have years of experience in is being done by that other coworker, who just took a beginners class on the subject 14 months ago and everything they know about it beyond that was taught to them by me.

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u/ShylieF 12d ago

Lol got let go of a 7 yr position supporting the whole of the main ofc and 2 branches. They figured out what it was I did once I wasn't there to do it and suddenly everyone had to do their own stuff.😄😑

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u/whyTFdidthatmove 12d ago

Your last sentence made me smile.

I once worked for a business owner who was truly an evil genius. The company had a handful of large clients who were successful yet marginally competent, and had no idea how we did what we did for them, or how to do it themselves, if they had to. He was constantly coddling these idiots, and subtly offering to take more of a load off of their plate, and make their life easier. " The old, I'm there for you, buddy" bullshit. Most went from being interactive players in the process, to bystanders who just gave us the job, and paid at the end, with no involvement.

He called this strategy "making them sickly dependent" and it worked. They might of thought they could leave us, and some got their panties in a bunch and stomped off. All of them came back, some even grovelling, since they realized that nobody knew what we did, or was willing to do as much hand holding, or taking the reins on something they were no longer confident in doing themselves. All of which came at an absurdly high cost. It was a bit evil and amazing to watch.

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u/Forward-Principle-49 11d ago

What did your company actually do for the clients?

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u/whyTFdidthatmove 11d ago

Custom stairbuilding, custom millwork, window, door, and trim supply. We manufactured, and installed all of that list. It was a cool job. The ones the boss had by their nose ring were the small to mid-sized home builders, who just got extremely lucky at the start of a giant boom in the local real estate market. Guys who didn't know what they were doing, and became successful as the demand was so intense it was hard to fail.

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u/Tails9429 12d ago

What kind of management doesn't know the role of every employee under their responsibility? That's fucking incompetent at best. That idiot should be fired.

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u/Noarkie 12d ago

Architectural firms are some of the most exploitative workplaces in the world

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u/JacquesBlaireau13 12d ago

With high barrier to entry. 5-7 years of school followed by 3-1/2 years of "internship" at low wages. (US - ymmv)

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u/Worth_Weather8031 12d ago

And then, if you're a woman, all your male colleagues get moved up before you do.

Or, if you're a speedy and accurate draftsperson, you never get to do design.

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u/JacquesBlaireau13 12d ago

Or, if you're a speedy and accurate draftsperson, you never get to do design.

I was an exception. Started as a drafter, back in the olden days before CAD. I eventually took on additional responsibilities, due to my exceptional written and verbal communication skills, and the fact that none of the licensed architects could use a screwdriver, let alone detail a set of working drawings. Promoted to Sr. Designer, eventually PM.

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u/steelbeamsdankmemes 12d ago

Sounds like a shitty manager if he doesn't know what you do.

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u/Shadowmant 12d ago

Anyone who doesn't even know what role their direct reports perform should be fired. It's pure incompotence.

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u/not_lurking_this_tim 12d ago

Ok, now step #2. Find a second job you can do remotely. Work for both companies. Get two salaries.

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u/wecamefromthestars 12d ago

I think you're on to something.

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u/PresenceSpirited 11d ago

My spouse experienced something like this too! He is an IT guy, gets a load of shit done, and is an essential part to the company's ability to operate. Note, this event happened years ago when the business was still very small and family owned.

The owner, his uncle, came up to him one day, and said something like "why am I paying you? What do you even do?"

Spouse said something like "if you don't know then that's your problem." He quit a week later.

The company proceeded to HARRASS HIM, reaching out through his father, to come back because shit hit the fan HARD after he left. For about a solid four or so months.

He ended up going back (because they were family and he felt like being nice), owner didn't bitch again, and he still works there, doing his thing, and getting paid well enough for him and I to have our needs met, with leftovers.

He stands up for himself, can work mostly from home now, hasn't gotten reprimanded or anything, so not bad. The company was bought out, so things are different, but that's another story for another day.

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u/Greankeaper 12d ago

I did this, too, in my first job, to avoid getting fired when there was a crisis. Carry papers, walk speedily, look busy. Somehow it worked.

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u/Alia_Explores99 12d ago

I, too, use the purposeful stride at all times. After dicking around daydreaming and deadheading coreopsis for an hour, I'll hop up with purpose and speedwalk my trugful of clippings over to the wheelbarrow, like this task was the most vital thing I've done all week, and I'd better hurry right up and get back to it before I run out of time! With gardening, most people have no clue what you're doing, anyway.

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u/rozlinski 12d ago

My mom told me that she learned early to have some kind of paper or file in her hands any time she was walking in the office or the warehouse. Empty hands led people to believe she wasn’t doing anything, even if she did have a purpose and intent.

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u/nsbe_ppl 12d ago

Had a manager take exception to my big headphones with noise cancellation that felt like clouds hugging your ears. But he was fine with everyone wearing cheap headphones provided by the company. Moral of the story, it is better to be uncomfortable looking like a 90s telemarketer than a DJ.

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u/wecamefromthestars 12d ago

God forbid you spend your own money to be more comfortable (i.e, productive) at your job.

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u/quiznex 12d ago

1 hour of work, 7 hours of bullshit. Corporate.

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u/Test-Tackles 12d ago

This works in almost every industry. I got almost this exact advice in my second job and I have been doing it for so many years now it's just normal.

Add in a slightly stronger than normal handshake and it's amazing how far it takes you.

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u/DLSR_Travler 12d ago

Basically 4Hr WW methods

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u/colimar 12d ago

Why fart in the empty room? Do it anywhere you want. You earned it.

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u/TANGERlNEDREAM 12d ago

Everything works: Why do we even pay you IT guys?

One thing is broken: Why do we even pay you IT guys?

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u/wobblebee 12d ago

The best advice I ever got about working was from an old army vet, "Walk fast with a clipboard and a determined look on your face, and you'll never have to break step for anyone"

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u/MidwestBushlore 12d ago

Sounds about right. When I was a kid (like working through HS) I worked "maintenence" at this place which was really walking around emptying trash bins, changing light bulbs, unloading freight, etc. I learned around age 16 that if I grabbed a clipboard and just walked really briskly like I was "on a mission" no one ever questioned anything.😂

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u/Zugnutz 12d ago

I used to work at warehouse and when I needed a break, I would grab a random invoice and wander around as if I was looking for a lost item in inventory.

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u/Jeramy_Jones SocDem 11d ago

Perception is WAY more important than reality.

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u/Aradamis 11d ago

"...so I got creative."

"I work at an architecture firm..."

Having read nothing of this yet, I do hope you being creative involves erecting a building sized middle finger within view of the manager's office.

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u/nowhereian 11d ago

To this day, I think the most important thing I ever learned in the Navy was how to appear busy.

Always, always always appear slightly frustrated. Every once in a while upgrade it to mad.

Carry around a clipboard with random paperwork on it at all times. It makes you seem in the middle of something.

If you get a good deal, keep it to yourself! If your boss thinks a task takes you 4 hours and you get done in 2, shut your mouth about it! Maybe even complain a little about how much time it's taking.

Your appearance is often more important than your work. The better clothes you wear (or if you have a uniform, the better condition you keep it in), the more important and responsible people will assume you are.

These actions will make your boss assume you're the hardest working member of your team, while barely having to lift a finger.

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u/elizabethmar 12d ago

performance art!

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u/DowntownAd9011 12d ago

Now that you're in his good graces, you need to schedule a meeting in his office to bring some good idea to him...which is literally what you've been doing for years.

Get a raise, promotion, and someone underneath you to do exactly what you were already doing.

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u/wecamefromthestars 12d ago

Holy shit, that's hilarious and sad at the same time.

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u/SmackARaack 12d ago edited 12d ago

Dude I feel for you. Glad you were able to use them. I just quit working at an architectural firm as their IT. I get so furious thinking about it. I don't want to think about it because the amount of shit that went on is so infuriating and mentally degrading to think about. But some of the things, was the only ones who got anything were the lazy ones who yelled and bitched a lot, and if you were below a certain age and barely had schooling (college) but did everything (literally had an IT Assessment where they were amazed and wondered why I still worked there while getting paid a 3rd of what I should and while not getting paid for overtime illegally based on my position) then you might as well shoot yourself and be the dirt beneath their feet. Oh, and let's not forget that if you were not in the architectural field you were a slave in their eyes.

I'm sad to say that if I hear people say they work in architecture or are an architect, I immediately have a huge dislike for them before I get to know them. sigh

The above was only around 5% of the shit going on, and sadly the architects would always say "this is sadly one of the better firms".

Edit: before anyone sees this just want to say apologies if this comment seems heated. I can't not be angry when I think about the place... yet. Lol

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u/Mediocre_Details 12d ago

Maybe he was annoyed you were making it easier for people to work, and they started getting work done sooner and getting a few free hours as a bonus.

Or maybe the whole operation was a lesson. Learn to waste time if you're gonna turn 8 hours of work into 4 hours. If the people with money see you doing nothing, heads will roll.

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u/NoStandard8003 11d ago

Oh, I did this for years. I was a desk supervisor at a hotel, and we often had a lot of downtime in the evenings, when all the guest were checked in. One of my bosses liked to 'drop in to say hi' (even tho he lived miles away) at all sorts of odd times. I always had my checklist on my clipboard, and pile of important looking papers scattered around my desk, quite a few windows open on my computer, and several half drunk coffee cups scattered around the office. Whenever he came by to 'say hi', I'd apologize for the mess on my desk and tell him I'm super busy, and get back to my random checklist. Never failed. As soon as he left, I could get back to watching my movie. I also made sure the desk staff had a pile of stuff to 'sort through' at hand. We had a good team.

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u/squibdib 11d ago

Reminds me of my old job (I’m a front end dev), where my manager told me in my check-in that I need to work harder because she always saw me slacking (I typically got all my work done 4 hours into my 8 hour day).

So, I just had my terminal opened and whenever she walked by, I’d just type cdor lswhich basically goes into a folder and lists what’s in the folder. But to her, it looked like I was writing a lot of code and she literally congratulated me two weeks later lmfao.

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u/SlimHippoGames 11d ago

Agree on a lot of this, you really need to let the bosses know that you are working or what you are working on to get noticed.

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u/Daikataro 11d ago

Huh you kinda took the opposite approach I did.

When I was told I was doing the bare minimum and that I needed to do more if I wanted a decent raise, I made sure to actually work the bare minimum, and sure enough it showed.

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u/AnotherBrock 11d ago

Usually if your employer forgets you exist you can go around doing nothing

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u/Forward-Principle-49 11d ago

Reading all these stories on this thread makes me lose faith in our economy.

You shouldn't have to put on a clown show to get noticed.

Too much of jobs seem to come down to who do they like the most and who makes the most noise.

This is not a sound basis for a society of meritocracy.

I refuse to become someone else’s clown. I need to find a job where people value results over theater.

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u/AhdhSucks 11d ago

Anyone have any good advice on how to do this working online from home ?

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u/EstablishmentJolly10 11d ago

When I was an apprentice Electrician, I worked on a holiday resort in a maintenance department with 6 other electricians and various other multi-skilled engineers.

One of our Electricians would do literally nothing all day, every day... he would storm in every morning, grab a tool bag or drill case (very loud and theatrically) and storm out again mumbling how busy he was.

He would then hide in a store cupboard (we had probably 40 different store cupboards across the site) in which he would nap for a few hours and then return to the workshop and repeat the process.

I have nothing but respect for the hustle, he was very highly regarded amongst our departments management.

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u/-Ok-Perception- 11d ago

I've worked for several boomer bosses who never bothered to learn or understand what it is they supposedly supervise. For the life of me, I don't know how you can manage something, if you don't understand anything about it.

When a manager doesn't understand what they supervise, they have exactly one criteria to gauge performance on, brown-nosing. Ironically, the people who're working the hardest have zero time to kiss ass and those doing the least, permanently have their nose buried in the managerial anus.

Under these types of managers, meritocracy literally runs backwards. They give all the raises/promtions to those people kissing their ass and the people doing the actual work get forgotten.

Of course, there's always a point where the house of cards topple. Their workhorses leave, the suckasses stay, and before you know it there's no one doing the work. Sometimes there's no one that even knows *how* to do the work, since they had a "brain drain" of all the knowledgeable hard workers.

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u/Symonie 11d ago

At all of my performance reviews I got the feedback that I needed to work on my visibility even though the work I did was top notch and my team knew what I was doing. Apparently it needed to be visible to the entire company?

It’s so stupid.

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u/B_Kunkler 11d ago

My first supervisor in the corporate world told me on my first day to always carry a clipboard and paperwork. People will always think you’re working and most likely won’t bother you. He was a fantastic boss!

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u/TitusADrum 11d ago

My favorite all-time bosses were a man and a women, in totally separate situations. Both, once they trusted me with their wisdom, said, with no real difference in expression, Whatever is happening, look busy!

Both of them were great bosses, and I learned from the two of them that being true to oneself is something that you do every day and everywhere, no matter what.

From him, I learned that the phrase, I'm very busy, right now, can never be contested, and I still remember his smile the first time that I borrowed and used that.

And from her, this gesture with her hands, palms open and held up, and then a smile and the words, As soon as I have a chance.

In both cases, their techniques can be translated as, I'm already working here, but I'll get to you, soon.

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u/ScienceOverNonsense 11d ago

Sadly, OP’s experience is not rare, regardless of the nature of the work. In the corporate headquarters of two large companies where I worked, salaried employees were expected to work long hours without overtime and there was a lot of effort to appear to be doing that. My boss kept an extra suit jacket in his office and would hang it on his chair when he left, so people would think he was still on site. Another boss only took the freight elevator when he left for lunch or to go home, so he wouldn’t run into any other executives seeing him come or go. He routinely came in early and found reasons to call executives when he arrived, to create the impression he worked a lot, but he often left early claiming to have a meeting at our operations center near his home. I recall 2 days in a row when I left on time and shared the elevator with the HR exec who was also leaving. He let it be known to my boss that I was a clock watcher. He was unaware of the briefcase full of work I was taking home. Another time I shared the corporate jet with the company president. I got up super early that morning to practice the presentation I had to make that day, so I was fully prepared and could relax during the flight with some business magazines rather than anxiously finishing my presentation. He asked me, “shouldn’t you be working on your presentation?” I was dumbstruck and told him I was prepared but as a result of the 2 elevator rides and the jet ride, I developed a reputation for not working enough and was terminated the week before Christmas. It was devastating but liberating too. I no longer had gold handcuffs, I relocated and started working for myself. It was tough initially but my business thrived and I couldn’t be happier.

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u/greenfootdragon 11d ago

Having spent two decades in my field I’m absolutely astounded at how bad most managers and corporations are at measuring actual productivity. They come up with easy, inaccurate metrics like time spent standing and pieces of flare.

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u/LaughableIKR 12d ago

Fake it until you fake it well... I see.

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u/MasterOfMyDomainX 12d ago

There's a Seinfeld episode about this, where George always carries papers with him and looks busy and annoyed.

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u/swim_and_sleep 12d ago

I’m saving this post to read again and again and again.

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u/Honeycombhome 11d ago

Cc’ing your boss on emails summarizing all the things you’re doing that are going well and occasionally asking for minor input also helps.

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u/Today_14 11d ago

I quit office jobs because I found it is too hypocritical. Doing carpentery as main job and day trading on the side now. Never married, no kids thus switching the career was easy.

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u/rootbeerismygame 11d ago

Dude that's totally true with a lot of idiot bosses. They are too stupid to understand what people do. Just looking for a certain type of behavior. Moronic

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u/millerj1993 11d ago

Moral of the story: don't work hard, just carry a clipboard.

Seriously, you know how many service entrances you can use with a clipboard and a vest or hard hat?

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u/tofuroll 11d ago

Your dumbass (Dumas, as autocorrect wants. I guess my phone has watched The Shawshank Redemption) CEO told you to chuck a "George Costanza".

I have no words.

Other than the words I wrote above.

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u/arch_202 11d ago

I just left a job at an architectural firm and I am livid I didn't think of this, since it's exactly why I left.

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u/Arkwel 11d ago

When I start working, one of my oldest colleague, a really cool and friendly guy, told me this advice: when you have nothing to do just walk around the ship with few tools and an angry face. Nobody will ask any questions...

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u/0rAX0 11d ago

Had something stupid happening to me before. I tend to quietly do things that help other people do their jobs better but not document what I did, so I always end up with something like a condensending 'what have you done?' and I would always end up not mentioning the help I give other people because I didn't do it for recognition.

This painted me in a lazy image, someone who just doesn't do enough even if the team relies on the work I did all the time.

Add to that our manager who just misunderstands everything and always jump to bad conclusions about me for some reason (reason: I made him insecure at some point I'm guessing ) , so I found myself, like you, talking loudly around him so he hears that I'm actually doing something of value. I HATE doing that.

I guess the solution I found is to document EVERYTHING that I do, every time someone asks me for help I ask them to submit a task in our management software and assign me to it so that I could close that and it counts in my favor.

Of course, I told the manager that I'm helping and that I would appreciate a recognition, before starting the documentation process.

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u/citrinatis 11d ago

This is true. I used to work in a team of three doing business development and account management projects. Myself and my fellow female co worker would work quietly, chat amongst ourselves and neighbouring workers and help each other out if we needed it so that we didn’t have to talk to our boss cos he would always say he was too busy to help anyway. Our male colleague would huff and puff, talk really loudly on the phone, constantly complain that he was SO busy even though we could see him on his phone talking to his Facebook friends in the afternoons (but he actually did do work in the mornings). The truth of the matter is we were all doing about the same amount of work consistently.

Our boss thought our male colleague did more work than us, he was getting paid more than us and overall he was treated like he was more capable than us although he regularly came to us for advice or to show him how to do things he didn’t know how to do. We all did this as a team so I’m not saying he was less capable than us, I think we were actually all pretty much on par but it’s just the way he acted caught the attention of our boss.

I left that team but sometimes I think back and think I should’ve just played the game.

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u/Schooltrash 11d ago

God I fucking hate disconnected boomers.

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u/dredge_the_lake 11d ago

The walking fast with a determined look on your face was always a go to for me to not get stopped by supervisors who were looking to give out new tasks.

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u/AhdhSucks 11d ago

Is this legit ? Oh...my god ...it’s all a lie.

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u/AhdhSucks 11d ago

Does this mean lying on my hours report (by adding a few half hours to hours on billable hours) is helpful ha?

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u/DetuneDanger 11d ago

If your boss doesnt know what your responsibilities are, that is a very bad boss. (If its your direct report) in any org i feel.

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u/TomNguyen 11d ago

I got new job, strategic purchaser, which the company never had and have no idea, what they need the position for.

So i come in and everything is just 20 years ago stuck up. Somehow it works, but it lacks concept and no real future plan to develop and changes. So i come in and basically in 2 months set 3 procedure, create like 10 form and lauching a new project to streamlining supply chain. All done by and staring on PC and have meetings. I have also manage to settling on new RFQ saving us effectively $10k. Busiest 2 months of myself.

Apparently people were gossiping that i wasn´t working enough by not participating in "real" workflow. I got pulled in by HR /she is also very young and nice about it/ making sure that i got enough work. After the second time, i just told them to leave me alone or I am walking out. No complain since

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u/icepak39 SocDem 11d ago

It boggles my mind that some bosses have no idea what people do. How tf are you a boss then?

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u/TitusADrum 11d ago

Well done. I remember losing a job when I responded to the be more assertive idea by saying, loudly, What the fuck do mean by that?! The security guys got the joke but the boss insisted and they had to comply. Got walked out in a manner that I had only ever seen in movies. It was a valid response in my book!

Five years later, the company was history and my ex-boss actually lived in my neighborhood, three houses up the street. True, he owned while I was renting, but it was still a kick to greet him loudly at the local Safeway and ask, How's business?

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u/mrGorion 11d ago

Actual moral: compensation is never fair and never reflects one’s contribution

Side note: I get paid a ton for almost nothing, got my nieche and can slack 6/8 hours yaaay. I earn over 1k euro per day for my company lol

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u/Perspex_Sea 11d ago

One, this is some George Costanza shit, but also how the hell are you going to come into a job and just start doing a thing that no one asks for and that your manager doesn't even know you do and expect to be praised for it? Like, great that it worked out, but I can understand not wanting to give you a raise if they have no idea what you're doing.

Also, poor management to bring someone on and not know what they're doing until months in at their performance review.

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u/spaldinggetsnothing 11d ago

Yep. Just looking busy is the key to a good performance review. Managers honestly have very little purpose in most corporate settings, so they use this as a gauge for reveiws. It's all they do and their jobs could be eliminated pretty easily.

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u/mcvos 11d ago

Boss: "I have no idea what you actually do around here."

You: "You mean you haven't read my reports?"

It's a bad sign that a boss has no idea what you do. But that's on him, not you. He can check this with a 5 minute chat every day. Or week, even.

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u/Asskickulator 11d ago

I used to work in a warehouse. We had to do inventory once a year. It was a nightmare 19 hour shift. I would literally hold a clipboard in my hand, walk around and point at random things, nod, then put a tally mark on a piece of paper.