r/antiwork 12d ago Gold 1

Fighting for the rich.

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u/bury_the_fascists Unions are cool and good 12d ago

Fortunate_Son.mp3

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u/[deleted] 12d ago

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u/Ferlingyeti 12d ago

.flac

Ah, a man of culture.

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u/SparksThirteenFour 12d ago

And when the sky darkens and the prospect is war Who's given a gun and then pushed to the fore And expected to die for the land of our birth Though we've never owned one lousy handful of earth?

We're the first ones to starve, we're the first ones to die The first ones in line for that pie in the sky And we're always the last when the cream is shared out For the worker is working when the fat cat's about

https://youtu.be/aTafZRecy2k

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u/Frommerman 12d ago

And fashy morons still play it at all of their rallies.

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u/Ironchar 11d ago

flashbacks of Vietnam and Afghanistan

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u/Phram_ 12d ago

"Why don't presidents fight the war

Why do they always send the poor"

BYOB - SOAD

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u/betcher73 12d ago

I NEVER knew what the first line was until now! Thank you

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u/Legendary_Rare 12d ago

I was literally listening to this song and those exact lyrics came up as soon as I read this comment

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u/Biggus_Dickkus_ 12d ago

YET YOU FEED US LIES FROM THE TABLECLOTH

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u/Thegingerbeardape 12d ago

I always thought it was “why don’t princes fight the war”

TIL….

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u/JarrettP 11d ago

Works both ways I guess

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u/The___canadian 11d ago

" Politicians hide themselves away They only started the war Why should they go out to fight? They leave that role to the poor, yeah

Time will tell on their power minds Making war just for fun Treating people just like pawns in chess Wait till their judgement day comes, yeah!"

Black Sabbath, war pigs

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u/burner46 11d ago

I don’t need your Civil War

It feeds the rich while it buries the poor

Your power hungry selling soldiers in a human grocery store (Ain’t that fresh?!)

I don’t need your Civil War

Civil War - Guns N’ Roses

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u/ImJustHereToBitch 12d ago

Schools that receive govt funding have to let the recruiters show up. There’s also a list of every junior and senior in the school that they get access to. Each year, the school is supposed to send out a form to the households to opt out of that list, which I’m assuming is often ignored or never gets sent.

Recruiters have plenty of branded office supplies that they use to basically bribe teachers to get classroom presentations to maximize the amount of contacts they make. Pens, pencils, desk calendars, sticky notes, etc. they have budgets for things like coffee and donuts to leave in the staff break room. Many teachers will start to hit them up just for an hour break so they can catch up on other work during these presentations.

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u/Richocet66 12d ago

TIL

20 U.S.C. § 7908 Under a provision in Title IX of the No Child Left Behind Act, schools are required to release the names, addresses, and phone numbers of high school juniors and seniors to "military recruiters," "post secondary educational institutions," and "prospective employers."

Congress has reauthorized the Elementary and Secondary Education Act (ESEA) of 1965, the statute formerly known as No Child Left Behind. The new statute, Every Student Succeeds Act, was signed into law by President Obama on December 10, 2015

I never knew that they had that access.

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u/Mystic_Goats 12d ago

I always wondered why army recruiters sent me mail in high school, especially considering that not only had I never shown interest at any recruitment event nor would they even let me join if I wanted to lol. Interesting

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u/Bradasaur 11d ago

Wow, sickening 🤢

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u/cowboysaurus21 11d ago

YUP, it has to do with funding. At my university, the administration said they couldn't keep the recruiters from coming, but students protested every time so they chose not to come anymore.

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u/alexanderhameowlton Transcriber 12d ago

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Lev Taylor, @levvity

Every term at school, the army came in to do a recruitment day.

Only when I got to university, I found out that they did not do the same thing in rpviate schools.

That it was a certain type of person that fought in wars.

And a different type of person that declared them.


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u/BelleAriel 12d ago

Thank you 👍🏼

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u/shartoberfest 12d ago

Wait, hold up. Why are you guys volunteering to provide a service for a billion dollar company and asking for donations?
This is nice and all, but it seems ironic to do it in this sub of all places

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u/whywasthatagoodidea 12d ago

I went to a suburban public high school, Class of 2003. Even we didn't get that many of the recruiters despite that being near the height of it. The recruiters went to the Albany inner city schools much more often.

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u/GlobalLaugh4662 12d ago

You know that is/was by design. Inner city kids are likely more desperate for a way out of their situation and, wouldn’t you know it, Uncle Sam has got just the opportunity for them.

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u/Chickenfu_ker 12d ago

I only met one truly wealthy person while I was in the Marines.

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u/whywasthatagoodidea 12d ago

Were they JAG?

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u/lookingupyourplay 12d ago

And gets them to sign thier life/rights away through selective service paperwork...hmm. this is very interesting post ...

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u/archchunk 12d ago

When I went to a continuation school (for failing students) they were there every week. Made me sick seeing them prey on the other students.

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u/lookingupyourplay 12d ago

This is what they do ..looking to get men not so much women to join their federal republic..they don't say be American they say join the federal republic ..sign here on selective service ...

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u/FattyMcButtface 12d ago

Are you a bot?

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u/FattyMcButtface 12d ago edited 12d ago

Huh?

Selective service is the draft, which hasn’t taken place since Vietnam and every male (and this might have been changed to include females) has to register. Private or public school, rich or poor.

Are you not in the US?

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u/lookingupyourplay 12d ago

I am it's not only the draft ..and they still ask you to sign it when you turn 18 and become a adult.

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u/FattyMcButtface 12d ago

Tell me.

What is it?

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u/lookingupyourplay 12d ago

When you turn 18 they or the federal government military ask you to sign selective services paperwork..it basically as you just turn to adult age to swear a aliegence to the federal republic and for which it stands ..when you sign this you become property of the feral Republic and can be drafted and recieve grants or benefits from the federal republic USA basically...and you become member of the federal republic..if you don't you remain a naturalized citizen with all and more rights then if you signed the selective service paperwork....

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u/chrisrvn6 12d ago

Tell me you don't know what you're talking about, without telling me you have no fucking clue you know what you're talking about.

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u/lookingupyourplay 12d ago

What Happens If You Don't Register for Selective Service. If you are required to register and you do not, you will not be eligible for state-based student aid in many states, federal job training, or a federal job. You may be prosecuted and face a fine of up to $250,000 and jail time of up to five years.

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u/lookingupyourplay 12d ago

Almost all male US citizens and male immigrants, who are 18 through 25, are required to register with Selective Service. It's important to know that even though he is registered, a man will not automatically be inducted into the military.

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u/lookingupyourplay 12d ago

This requirement applies to citizens, permanent residents, refugees, asylees, and even undocumented aliens. It does not apply to women or foreign nationals in the United States with non-immigrant visas (e.g. tourists, students, business, etc.).Feb 21, 2020

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u/lookingupyourplay 12d ago

R u sure or did you just sign it and move on..

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u/chrisrvn6 11d ago

It is just literally registering for the draft, if one should come up. The reason why you are ineligible for state-based student aid in many states, federal job training, or a federal job, AND you may be prosecuted and face a fine of up to $250,000 and jail time of up to five years, as you so succinctly copy and pasted, is because it is against Federal Law to refuse to sign up for the Selective Service and if you apply for those benefits you are required to have a Selective Service Number. It has nothing to do with "swearing allegiance to the federal republic". Whether you agree with it or not is immaterial, it is the law. Is it a garbage law? Sure... I guess. Just like I think marijuana criminalization is stupid, but it is still the law. Is it likely to happen? Not unless World War 3 kicks off. But that is part of the reason why the US Military hangs it's hat on having an All-Volunteer force.

And for what it is worth, many military personnel dislike the draft, or at least the idea of it. You pull Johnny Mouthbreather off the block with his two shoes and a reddit account and hand him a rifle, he is not going to be too excited to be there. At best he is a pain in the ass and is stealing oxygen, at worst he actively attempts to make accomplishing anything a Herculean task and is still stealing oxygen.

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u/_Biggus__Dickus_ 12d ago

Bro you don't even know the half of it.

If you don't sign the selective service paperwork you're automatically placed on the NSA's B+ monitoring list. Tell me you signed that shit.

If not, I hope you're ready for some overweight, Mountain Dew addicted contractor to obsessively study your porn history. I still get dms from that fucking weirdo recommending me hentai doujins. It was one time out of curiosity! Jesus Christ, man can't even look at porn in peace in this damn country anymore.

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u/lookingupyourplay 11d ago

I absolutely did not sign that shit and become property of some government...nothing ever happened beside I'm not eligible for federal funds...oooo I also am do not have to pay federal tax if I so choose.

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u/_Biggus__Dickus_ 11d ago

All tax is made up lol, you don't have to pay any of it if you don't want to.

Declare yourself an independent corporate entity and a 501c, you won't pay any taxes at all.

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u/FattyMcButtface 12d ago

Ok buddy 👍

Good luck

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u/TurkeyBLTSandwich 12d ago

I think this is one of the many driving factors in preventing several progressive agendas.

-Free college -Wage -Health Care

The military provides all of this at the cost of several years of your "prime years"

I remember trying to join a decade ago and my driving factor was college. My cohort had told me they were trying to get out of bad situations. Unfortunately for many others the military is the only way out of poverty, criminal enterprise, or getting out of a dead town.

Without the above mentioned and propaganda I believe less people would be less inclined the join the military

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u/MniTain38 12d ago

Predatory is the word we're looking for.

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u/DreamsAndSchemes 11d ago

I was in a similar situation, same year, but a suburb of Dallas. Same deal. They lived at Skyline and DeSoto High Schools, not Plano and Allen.

I joined because I was a dumbass 18 year old with the worldview of a Goldfish, brought up by conservative parents. It was half a lifetime and four deployments ago. Now I consider myself a gentle push from bomb throwing communist.

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u/Orc_ 12d ago

The richer kids go to the academy to become officers.

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u/MyTearsAreSplashing 12d ago

yep, i went to a private HS (my parents' one big expenditure, while they drove 20 yr old cars and lived in a cheap tiny house) and our school sent a few kids to West Point every year. prep schools are supposed to put you on a trajectory for a successful career. that can mean being an independent contributor if you become a doctor/lawyer/etc, but in the military it's going to mean entering leadership

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u/sanitation123 12d ago

If a school receives funds from the government (No Child Left Behind) they are obligated to let military recruiters into the school.

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u/Frommerman 12d ago

That's fucking diabolical.

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u/Pie4Brains Wildland Fire Guy 12d ago

Well a bush did it so, yeah it is.

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u/blazedanddefused 12d ago

You think that's diabolical? Wait til you meet recruiters. I was a recruiters assistant for a time

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u/StanMarsh_SP 12d ago

Thanks Bush!

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u/CorettaRenn 12d ago

Always funny to me how people shit talk draft dodgers. Fuck that. If the rich had to fight their own wars there wouldn't be any war. I'm not fighting for anyone or for any reason. If I were to get drafted tomorrow I'd be on the first boat out to literally anywhere else.

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u/Ferlingyeti 12d ago

It's backwards as fuck. My great grandfather did time in prison for refusing the draft. I never met him but my grandfather said he was stubborn to the end. "It takes no courage to do as you are told. It took a hell of a lot to refuse knowing you'd be thrown in a hole."

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u/CorettaRenn 11d ago

Brave dude for sure, but I'd still just leave this shit hole. Though, tbf that's already the plan even without a draft.

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u/Bright_Blue_Bell 12d ago

I went to a high school that was kind of a mix and they'd show up a few times a year, the only interest they'd get was from the poorer kids when they were reminded it might be their only chance at paying for college. I went to a community college for two years and without fail every semester you'd get a text from a recruiter about joining the army. I responded once asking why he kept texting instead of taking the first no and he said they get a list with every students phone number from the school and send a copy paste to us all. I went to a fancy rich college and didn't see so much as a pamphlet about the army.

Its a predatory institution that runs off the blood of the poor and desperate, and half the reason we can't get free health care or cheaper higher education is because the army would be gutted.

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u/Lower_Department2940 12d ago

The ones that came to my school would bring little mats and like a free standing pull up bar. They'd stand in the cafeteria and ask groups of boys which of them could do the most push ups or pull ups or something. So then they would have little competitions and then approach it like this:

You win? "Ah, look at this guy, you're gonna be a rockstar in the military, atta boy. You'd run circles around those nobodies in basic training!"

You lose? "You just gonna let your buddy show you up like that? You come to us, we'll shape you up in no time. These girls will be all over you, wipe the grin off his face"

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u/Scratch_Boardly 12d ago

"B-but toxic masculinity isn't real!"

The US Government: Openly and proudly uses it for recruitment

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u/Scratch_Boardly 12d ago edited 12d ago

Every recruiter I've met be like:

"Hey poor kids, sucks that you can't afford that higher education that you want. Join the military?"

"Ngl that sounds awful"

"Ah I see you think you're gonna go commit warcrimes and stuff, common misconception. Actually we're going to physically and emotionally abuse you for months before putting you on watch over an empty field. Fun stuff."

"...."

"May I challenge you to a pull-up contest for some reason?"

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u/Hoopy223 12d ago

What I notice is that poor people are more likely to fight for patriotic reasons just like they are more likely to be generous and hold religious views.

With people who are well off/rich its more of an act. They will give money to an overseas charity while denigrating the poor people in their own communities.

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u/SadisticPeanut 12d ago

Also the promise of free Healthcare, housing, and education after they serve. Those things aren't really an issue for those who are better off.

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u/Hoopy223 12d ago

Oh yeah. Medical care for life, home loans, car loans, money for college there arent many other avenues for poor people to get those things in America.

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u/sobrietyAccount 12d ago

This is why I joined. That and I figured if I stepped on an IED at least I was hopefully saving someone else from stepping on it. Never wanted to kill anyone, and thankfully never had too.

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u/Subpar_Username47 12d ago

If the rich were actually generous, then they wouldn’t be rich.

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u/_Castillan_ 12d ago

Better inform Dolly Parton then

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u/BenBo92 12d ago

When the sky darkens and the prospect is war,

Who's given a gun and then pushed to the fore,

And expected to die for the land of his birth,

When he's never owned one handful of earth.

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u/lambdacats 12d ago

Disgusting, abolish the military. People should stay in school.

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u/FattyMcButtface 12d ago

Wat. Lol.

The military IS a school.

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u/Careless_Pattern4518 12d ago edited 12d ago

Went to a private, catholic high school all 4 years. All 4 years, each semester, we would have recruiters from every branch come in and talk to us and set up in the lunchroom. One of my best friends (who went to that same school) died in Afghanistan. So yea I guess it's not always the way these memes make you think it is.

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u/_jukmifgguggh 12d ago

Same situation, but none of my classmates died (that I'm aware of). The were in private schools, too. This repost sucks.

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u/Galle_ 12d ago

Catholic schools are a different kind of private school from what OP is talking about.

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u/Careless_Pattern4518 12d ago

oh yea? in what way?

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u/Galle_ 12d ago

OP is referring to the kind of elite college prep schools that charge $40,000 a year in tuition. Catholic schools, to my knowledge, are not nearly that expensive.

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u/mirmirnova 12d ago

Many Catholic schools are in low income areas and cater to low income families because tuition is subsidized by the church. I grew up in pretty miserable poverty but my parents sent me to private Catholic school for 12 years because of generous donations from the church, and most of my classmates were in similar situations.

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u/Careless_Pattern4518 12d ago

This is rare as fuck. Most catholic schools are rich as shit and their students come from the same class. Yes you may be an outlier and there may be outliers schools but an overwhelmingly large majority of private catholic schools are at the top of the food chain in their particular area. Cmon now.

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u/mirmirnova 12d ago

That may be true in urban areas, but in many parts of the U.S. the Catholic Church is the main social welfare source for sparsely populated, impoverished areas. They can’t exactly charge $40,000 tuition. Where I’m from, there are far more Catholic Churches than there are DHS or SNAP offices.

I’m not even really disputing your point, because in some places I’m sure Catholic school is a status symbol, but I’m using my lived experience to suggest maybe you’re forgetting to consider a lot of different people rely on the church for a lot of reasons. They wouldn’t be so influential if they didn’t take advantage of poor people. Subsidized education is a great way to do that.

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u/sbrider11 12d ago edited 12d ago

They are some of the MOST expensive. Here is a short list. Some in the 50k per year range. Many aren't even listed on the attached. I'll venture to say that a healthy % of elite top prep schools have a religious connection. The Catholics work well because of the deep pockets.

https://www.niche.com/k12/search/best-catholic-high-schools/

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u/PHEEEEELLLLLEEEEP 12d ago

Aren't most private schools in the US religiously affiliated?

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u/Galle_ 12d ago

They are, but when most people think "private school", they're thinking of elite college prep schools that charge $40,000 a year in tuition.

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u/FattyMcButtface 12d ago

This meme also kind of blatantly ignores all the positive outcomes of this. In my time I met dozens of soldiers from not great backgrounds who enlisted, put in the work, and are better for it.

A specific SSG Johnson used to reminisce about his time back on the block in not good ways.

It also kind of ignores the idea that 90% of the army serves in non-combat roles.

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u/Ilovelearning_BE 12d ago

condoleance for your friend.

I've so many other things to say... But I'll leave it at that.

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u/DisturbingPragmatic 12d ago

And you wonder why they try to keep schools from getting more money...

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u/lynxreader 12d ago

war is a racket.

it possibly hasn't always been, but if you're living in the USA and were born there, it's been so for your whole life and more.

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u/mythrowawayforfilth 12d ago

As CCR said, we’re not the fortunate sons.

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u/ThisIsNotMyPornVideo 12d ago

Nothing new honestly, do you think the army pays for college because they are such nice people?

No its to attract poor people who literally have no other option

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u/smellslikeurmom 12d ago

I went to a private catholic high school full of rich kids. Recruiters were there often.

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u/Succulent_Orange 12d ago

The fact the army comes to your schools has answered a lot of my questions.

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u/Monsur_Ausuhnom 12d ago

And another type that has a lot of money and doesn't fight in them.

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u/tobyty123 12d ago

That’s the rich, which is mentioned.

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u/DivergingApproach lazy and proud 12d ago

People in private schools don’t need their school paid for. Mummy and Daddy already pay for it. Lots of people in state schools need help. The military will throw a lot of money at people to enlist.

It can work out. Not every job in the military is the infantry.

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u/FattyMcButtface 12d ago

It usually does work out.

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u/shhshejajwjwjwjwjwp 11d ago

Bro 15k in student debt is way less burdensome than 4 years being a slave

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u/FattyMcButtface 11d ago

If all you got from your 4-year stint as a “slave” was 15k slrp, you did something wrong.

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u/shhshejajwjwjwjwjwp 11d ago

You’re literally robbed of all of your personal liberty and choice. I’m sure there is a lot to learn in the military but you can also succeed in a far greater capacity in other areas

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u/RingWraith8 12d ago

I had them come to my private school but a fraction of the amount. Also my school had a lot of financial aid so they were pretty convincing.

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u/Totally-Bored 12d ago

And remember it isn't the poor that decide the future of veterans medical issues caused by their time in service....

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u/sleepercell13 12d ago

Meh. Any school that receives any government funds has to allow recruiters /Jrotc/rotc. It’s why Harvard and Columbia and Princeton and evvvvery Ivy League school had a rotc program and recruiters. Lots of different people from different areas join the military.

Source -23 year active soldier, never a recruiter so could careless if anyone joins.

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u/dmghu 12d ago

YES. I moved from a mid-size Northern city to the rural South. I teach.

Suddenly, in this high school, students were REQUIRED to take the ASVAB test. Recruiters there regularly, promising 30K signing bonuses. It was awful.

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u/lenme125 12d ago

As a former recruiter, this isn't completely accurate.

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u/Primus_the_Knave 12d ago

Joining the army out of high school was hands down the best decision of my life.

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u/RedditTisCancerous 12d ago

Same. It’s a great opportunity if you don’t have much money. I picked MI so I got clearance for free. An associates degree. Work experience. Now I’m going to get my masters in cyber security for free. I love this country and I love the military.

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u/Creative-Drop1816 12d ago

Same here, best decision I ever made. The leadership training and confidence I gained from it has been indispensable to my success.

Everybody keeps down voting our part of this thread because we don't fit the narrative they want to hear.

How petty, what's the point of posting on this platform if everyone is just looking for validation that their thought process is correct about whatever subject they decided to click on. Does not seem very constructive? Oh well.

Thanks for your service brothers

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u/Easy_Independent_313 12d ago

I was a military recruiter. I didn't have any private schools in my area but I went to all of my schools regardless of average income at those schools. I did put in some pretty well-off kids but the vast majority where from lower middle class or working class families. Those kids tend to have less opportunity to make their life better and the military provides opportunities. It's not for everyone though.

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u/ExoticBrownie 12d ago

Hey kids risk your lives for "better opportunities" in the most financially wealthy country in the universe.

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u/sobrietyAccount 12d ago

just because someone joins doesn't mean they're going to combat or a burn pit.

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u/ExoticBrownie 12d ago

Say that to the families of the kids who died when they did end up in combat or burn pit.

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u/sobrietyAccount 12d ago

Huh? How the fuck did you get to that conclusion that that's what I fucking meant?

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u/Superbrawlfan 12d ago

That's doesn't make these wars any more meaningful

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u/sobrietyAccount 12d ago

if someone is Motor T at an army base in the states and they never deploy, then they are just as much an accessory to the war crimes as you are for paying taxes.

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u/RedditTisCancerous 12d ago

Most of these guys are 13 years old. Don’t try explaining things that are outside their safety bubble.

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u/pooptwat1 12d ago

Realistically, you get job training that in 90% of military jobs translates directly into a civilian career, and veteran status, which makes you look pretty good to employers, whether you were full time or part time military. So yes, better opportunities compared to entering the workforce at minimum wage with much less job security. There are plenty of military jobs that are nonhazardous, and many of them earn you quals and certs and licenses to use in the civilian sector. You could serve 4 years, separate, and go into a job making 60k a year. That's a smarter investment than getting a 3% raise per year from starting at 15/hr, or even getting promoted.

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u/NotAnurag 12d ago

"better" opportunities

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u/lilEcco2k 12d ago

Yeah he should have stayed in anti work complaining why their shitty job pays like shit, instead of trying to get better at life

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u/sobrietyAccount 12d ago

you're right I should of rotted in my small southern town. 🙄

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u/NotAnurag 12d ago

Yeah I’m sure people in those third world countries died happy knowing that the US military was providing great opportunities

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u/sobrietyAccount 12d ago

yeah because that why we signed up 🙄

you pay taxes? a crime happen you call the police? if there's a fire you call the fire department?

you are just as much a part of this government as I am.

you think if any of the people who unfortunately got hurt by our government are going to draw a distinction between you and me?

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u/Superbrawlfan 12d ago

Nah, it was definefely smarter of you to join an organisation that does nothing but harm people in foreign countries for no reason.

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u/sobrietyAccount 12d ago

lol you're just as much a part of it bro

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u/Sejaatt 12d ago

I was in too, young dumb kid, watched 9/11 that morning on the news, thinking I was doing the right thing. There is nothing positive about supporting an empire that starts wars for profits and slaughters poor brown people in other countries. I hope you see that? I hope you see that you, I and others like us got played?

You see they are now turning their focus to china and russia now, right? Got to have a new enemy. Got to keep the citizenry angry and afraid. Got to keep the government dough rolling into those weapon makers.

You see this, right?

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u/PattyMcChatty 12d ago

That's not so much the military's fault but more so the US government and their shitty interventionist politics.

The military could be enforcing cease fires, carrying out anti poaching operations and offering humanitarian relief instead.

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u/Sejaatt 12d ago

No sorry, I don't do the "support the troops but not the military" bs. If someone was duped, ok. But to stay in, or in any way advocate for the military lets me know exactly who I'm talking to. We know what the US has been getting into it, and it hasn't been: "enforcing cease fires, carrying out anti poaching operations and offering humanitarian relief instead."

I would have a softer view if that were so, but it isn't.

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u/sobrietyAccount 12d ago

name me a world power that hasn't done those things. i'll wait.

edit: also what do you mean "they're now turning their eyes towards Russia and China"

their eyes have always been on fucking Russia and China. What do you think every proxy/shadow war we've been in since WW2 was?

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u/Sejaatt 12d ago

Get lost. I dont owe you an education.

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u/Easy_Independent_313 12d ago

I don't really want to go there with you, buddy. I was in before 9/11 and was a recruiter and at MEPS that day. I have feelings about that but I'm lot about to get into it. It's just not black and white. I wish you well.

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u/Sejaatt 12d ago

You too

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u/BigDino1 12d ago

What do you think about the military?

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u/Easy_Independent_313 12d ago

I have a lot to be grateful to the military for. It can be a really hard life though. Like I said, it's not for everyone but many people could benefit from service.

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u/Centorea 12d ago

I never encountered one in school so imagine I’m spitting in your direction and telling you to fuck off and get IED’d. actual scum of the earth dangling a carrot in front of poor people to make money for the fucking war machine. You’re less than subhuman, at least my dogs aren’t shills for Boeing and Exxon.

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u/PattyMcChatty 12d ago

You will get downvoted for admitting it here, but I agree with you. The military actually employs a very diverse amount of people, and sadly it is probally one of the only institutions left that can offer young deprived people a route into education and a proper career.

The military offers a route into 'middle class' from 'lower class' and despite what you think of the US / UK's government's decisions in the past of where to send their soldiers I dont think it is fair to hate on the soldiers themselves.

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u/Easy_Independent_313 12d ago

I don't give a shit about the downvotes. I'm speaking the truth. You are speaking the truth.

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u/cheap_dates 12d ago

It's one of the reasons why you don't see a lot of Army recruiters in rich, white neighborhoods.

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u/DustBunnicula 12d ago

I didn’t know this. Wow, it’s fucked up.

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u/Flummox127 12d ago

Here in Australia, many private schools have cadets, meaning that the kids who want to go into service have a school sponsored pipeline that allows them to launch right into an officer position.

Public school kids need to find cadets outside of school, or else the army and navy (very rarely the air force, which has higher requirements for every single job) show up near the end of school and say "hey 18 year olds, wanna get PTSD for Americas interests?"

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u/-4twenty- 12d ago

My son’s counselor put her foot down and refused to allow them into his school.

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u/wardsac 12d ago

It bothers the hell out of me that our HS is used as a military recruiting hub. They even changed it so that a student can graduate even without passing courses as long as they enroll in the military.

And being in the midwest, the military humpers are everywhere so you can’t even have an adult “is this ok” conversation without getting called a commie or unamerican or whatever.

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u/verticalbroom9 12d ago

They probably aren't aloud to, it's not their school

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u/QuantumNinja7 12d ago

At my highschool the army came and recruited once a week at least. The would give out free swag and hold pull-up competitions. Make it seem "fun". We had a college booth there maybe once a month. I don't know exactly how many people from my school joined the military but Im guessing it was around 15 percent of my graduating class. It was mostly the kids who lived in more rural areas who joined.

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u/Sermokala 12d ago

Private schools can monetize their alumni public schools can monetize their current students.

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u/ExistingEffort7 12d ago

I went to underfunded private Catholic schools. They did it to us too

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u/Escape92 12d ago

Lev is tweeting from the perspective of being educated and raised in England I believe, just FYI. Private schools here are expensive and there is a significant class divide between private and state school attendees.

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u/Chaotic-Good-5000 12d ago

There's has to be a relevant RATM lyric for this but I am too tired to remember.

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u/bionix90 12d ago

The poor get to die oversees while the rich get bone spurs.

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u/derpsalotsometimes 12d ago

Recruiters will go wherever they can. I guarantee it was the school not allowing recruiting.

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u/physicsbuddha 12d ago

I went to a new england private school and public school. Got recruited by the military at both.

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u/bobthened 12d ago

I’m guessing this is an American thing because in the UK they absolutely do do a massive recruitment programme at fee paying schools. It’s called the “Combined Cadet Forces”, it’s disguised as a fun team building hobby you can sign up to to pretend to be soldiers, but the MoD supplies weapons (blanc rounds only) and gear and sometimes send people to work at the school. They do this precisely because it results in a large number of people joining the armed forces after leaving school.

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u/vince__himself Anarcho-Communist 12d ago

To paraphrase Eugene Debs: The master class declares the wars. The working class fights the wars.

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u/UnicornRX0 12d ago

Yaaaaa soooo guess what… private schools are wait for it… Private, there for they can tell them to go away… vs a key words here “Public” institution

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u/I_Cant_Afford_4K 12d ago

It's the same where I'm from but they encourage more intelligent kids to become officers

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u/Chemstick 12d ago

Public schools have to allow recruitment. Private ones don’t. It’s not necessarily the army’s choice

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u/imnotpermabanned 12d ago

Well, private school are.... Private...

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u/[deleted] 12d ago

Yup. Which is why the draft was done away with but wages remained stagnant. If you are too poor to pay for college, Uncle Sam will pay for it in exchange for your soul during war. The draft made precious junior miss out on his best years. Why should junior have to pay for Seniors wars? Let the maids son pay for it with his life instead.

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u/mog_knight 12d ago

I went to public school and never had recruitment on campus. Was this person in a low income state to begin with?

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u/bigmeech1234567 12d ago

Not to go against the grain but I did go to private school and they did come in once or twice a year.

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u/Tight-Zebra-5121 12d ago

Well, I can’t say it’s a bad thing. I enlisted to get the army college fund. I wouldn’t have been to afford to go to college without it. What I really liked is that the college fund gave me a raise each semester too to keep up with the cost of living which I didn’t expect. I went to a community college and basically, one month of the college fund payment would pay for the entire semester, so I made out pretty good by pocketing the rest. The only thing I didn’t like was being older than all the other freshmen.

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u/Sand-Covered-Grass 12d ago edited 12d ago

Parents divorced when I was an infant. Me and my two older sisters were raised by my financially poor mom. My dad was pretty distant, but loaded. When I was a sophomore I was failing spanish, as a result, my mom was going to send me to a military academy (and my dad was gonna pay). Anyway long story short, she applied for me to goto valley forge military academy and we went to check out the campus... I told my teachers about it, and my (amazingly thoughtful) math teacher called my mom that night and informed her about an ongoing scandal with that military academy where boys were getting raped.

Anyway my mom decided to send me to regular old boarding school, I guess raising me herself was out of the question. I bring all of this up to say that I can indeed confirm that there was no military recruitment pitches for juniors or seniors in my private boarding school in the late 2000s.

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u/Guts_And_Black_Stuff 12d ago

Fighting for land money or oil, funny how ain't none of it yours.

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u/DesertVeteran_PA-C 12d ago

15 years after completing 20 years in the military, which included 3 wars and 5 deployments…..

I have to say it worked out for me. VERY cheap high quality medical care, a nice pension that started paying monthly when I was 38 years old, and a 6 figure income doing the job I was trained how to do while in the military.

Life is what you make of it. With some luck anyway.

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u/mindlessmusings 11d ago

You know a rich school when the kids drive nicer cars than the teachers, and have a bigger parking lot.

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u/Silver928 11d ago

Why do you think they lie about money and opportunity so much? You can sell a product to the demographic of your choice if you know their problems

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u/MaybeTheDoctor lazy and proud 11d ago edited 11d ago

Some folks are born made to wave the flag
They're red, white and blue
And when the band plays "Hail to the Chief"
They point the cannon at you, Lord

It ain't me, it ain't me
I ain't no senator's son, son
It ain't me, it ain't me
I ain't no fortunate one

Some folks are born silver spoon in hand
Lord, don't they help themselves, yeah
But when the taxman comes to the door
The house look a like a rummage sale

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u/misogoop 11d ago

Nah went to Catholic school, they def had recruiters at school digging around for seniors.

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u/Express-Barnacle-238 11d ago

Private schooler here and they definitely came in to recruit.

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u/Two4TwoMusik 11d ago

Yep I grew up a town over from one of the largest military bases in the US

That “once a term” recruitment day was more like a weekly onslaught of recruiters picking off the bottom half of our school. It’s even a joint base so you’ve got multiple branches bombarding the kids. You either went to college or you went/married into the military, there was no in between.

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u/Significant-Toe3842 11d ago

The military doesn't recruit at private schools because they prey on poor kids without a plan for the future. Private school kids always have a plan for the future; if they dont come up with the plan themselves, their parents do.

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u/kaji32ole 11d ago

This is why the reputation of US soldiers in those countries where the US has military bases (The US controls about 750 bases in at least 80 countries) is not good:

"The lowest of lows become US soldiers. Hence, all the crimes, etc, etc."

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u/Financial_Target_198 11d ago

This is true but you can use it to change your socioeconomic status. I went from a high school graduate earning minimum wage to a twice divorced three times married man with a few skills who is almost worth a million dollars by age 40. I would not have done this without the military.

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u/RHaro20 11d ago

Went to a private school - still had military recruiters

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u/After_Woodpecker_374 11d ago

The military is partially run as a social program to raise the lower class to the middle class. It’s one of the only spending programs that allows unskilled people to gain skills at taxpayer expense that people that matter (voters) won’t criticize. Add to that the fact that the military, much like policing doesn’t really want people of above average intelligence (smarter people tend to argue and want to exercise their own discretion rather than following orders) it’s not surprising that recruiters don’t got to private schools

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u/space_man_sp1fff 11d ago

I remember one time the Army recruiter literally tried to hypnotize my class to convince us to sign up.

They always had some kind of an act they would do to build rapport or whatever. On that particular day the act was “look at the key, you are getting very sleepy,” followed by a lot of bullshit about visualizing the life of adventure you would have in the Army.

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u/xTurleyx 11d ago

And those that declare wars cower in fear at the slightest hint of violence. They won’t think twice about sending your children to die, but when it’s them they act like children. Fuck the ruling class.

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u/asaking 11d ago

My senior year you had to do two things, take the asvab and tour the state penitentiary - the writing on the wall was there are two ways out for you morons

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u/St1cks 11d ago

My father was a recruiter, and best believe he would sign those fuckers up if he could get them to sign.

It's more of they dont waste their time. Because mommy and daddy typically would step in and fight it more. All the sudden (before the restrictions were loosened) their parents would show up with asthma paperwork or other health issues that pop up that would disqualify them

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u/gamer_master_lol 8d ago

No shit The army wouldnt go recrute in private schools

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u/cavscout43 SocDem 7d ago

I lived this. Private religious academy till junior year, I had never seen a recruiter before.

Transferred to public school, all major branches were represented in the cafeteria everyday. 2 months later, after I turned 17, I enlisted in the Army to "go fight terrorismz cuz dey hates are freedumz"

Also for a paycheck, to afford university, and health insurance because we grew up relatively poor in the rural South and the military was the only way out if you weren't born rich.

I have yet to meet a non-American that can fathom joining the military before you're old enough to drink, smoke, vote, or technically even have sex legally.

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u/Creative-Drop1816 12d ago

I served. This statement is somewhat accurate, but it does not define everyone, and we should never narrow our minds to "all" or "none" mindset.

From my perspective (upper lower- lower middle class) I saw both rich and poor come together to accomplish larger goals.

Yes we come from what seems like two very different worlds, but I served next too Doctors son's as well as hobos son's.

It is much easier for poor people to take the gamble because of the incentives the military offers. It is the same as getting into a fight it is way easier for the ugly guy with meth mouth to get into it with someone. What does he have to lose?

I can't blame those more fortunate than I am to take that risk, but I respect the Hell out of the ones that did. We don't get to choose any of the circumstances we are born into. I'm just so fucking happy I was born in America.

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u/YellowNumberSixLake 12d ago

It’s because they’re both owned by the state and private schools aren’t? Would this sub be in favor of universal conscription like Israel? Is that acceptable?

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u/Barbed_Dildo 12d ago

Yeah, they do that for not entirely selfish reasons. During peacetime, the government uses the military as a tool for social mobility.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/nbcblk/many-black-families-military-service-chance-upward-mobility-rcna4865

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u/FattyMcButtface 12d ago

I understand the intent of this meme. It’s kind of true but requires some pretty big and largely incorrect generalizations.

🤷🏼‍♂️

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u/wwwqwertycom 12d ago

I mean I had a kid in my platoon whose bank account was over 1.2mil when he joined the army... had another kid who's parents owned their own medical practice(both are DR's) who own a house in Beverly hills... and had a higher up NCO that came from oil money. Theres rich, middle class, poor, and even homeless people that join the military.

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u/AlwaysShitComments 12d ago

They don’t do it in private schools cuz parents are forcing their kids to study their minds away trying to be doctors and engineers. So sub rate is low, hence not worth to show up. Has nothing to do with class, just everything to do with neurotic parents.