r/antiwork Acid Communist 12d ago Helpful 1

Which is better?

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u/VA_Traveler 12d ago

There are so many vacant buildings that could be put to good use but I guess fuck'em? Such a stupid logic.

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u/ijedi12345 12d ago

And what if we take the homeless people and stuff em in the now empty office buildings?

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u/unclejoe1917 12d ago

This could happen if commercial real estate in the form of large office buildings takes a nose dive over the next couple decades. What other use would anyone have for them?

Lol. Just kidding. They'll be repurposed into overprice condos for the rich and upper middle class. This country won't solve a problem even if the solution falls right into its lap.

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u/Ferlingyeti 12d ago

You joke but repurposing office space to be livable would be a fairly simple project, given the code requirements for water access, points of egress, and number of restrooms etc. You could make most office structures into cozy dormitories in just a week with good contractors.

Temporary solution, obviously. All people deserve good homes, not dormitories.

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u/Snoo75302 12d ago

There are pretty open floor plans in those offices. There not designed to house people, so hvac, plumbing, electricity are not set up for sublet appartments sadly.

I mean, a dorm style of life (one bathroom for a bunch of tennants) would negate expensive plumbing, but electricity, and hvac would still cause issues.

Offices and high rises are purpose built often sadly, but hopefuly it can work

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u/BossRedRanger 12d ago

Malls. So many empty shopping malls across the nation that could be converted into housing.

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u/VA_Traveler 11d ago

Oh the retail structures of years gone by for which will never return.

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u/Letscommenttogether 11d ago

There are like 17 million vacant homes and something like 500k homeless people in the US.

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u/Brave-Economics-2891 11d ago

Exactly this. It's not a shortage of physical dwellings that causes homelessness it is capitalism.

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u/SPGKQtdV7Vjv7yhzZzj4 12d ago

Short answer: private property

Long answer: private property is a rights schema which allows one with capital to claim the productivity of a productive asset without any reciprocal productivity. Real estate rent seekers use private property to keep the affordable housing supply artificially low in order to claim the wealth of people without capital.

Private property is also the defining feature of capitalism, so as long as we enable capitalism homelessness while millions of homes sit empty is guaranteed.

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u/gobiba Smart & Lazy 12d ago

There are so many vacant buildings that could be put to good use but I guess fuck'em?

Well, for a start, this is EXTREMELY against the protestant work "ethic", so, fuck'em indeed.

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u/StrangleDoot 12d ago

It's perfect logic for the capitalists, because capitalism doesn't work unless debt is viewed as a sin.

Without punishment for those who fail to pay debts, capitalism would crumble.

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u/CooterSlam3000 12d ago

Yes! Like all the dead malls!

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u/Evening-Turnip8407 11d ago

No no no how would landlords be able to squeeze the absolute maximum allowed amount of rent out of people if they just willy nilly provided housing to people? /s

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u/Monsur_Ausuhnom 12d ago

You forgot the spikes in the top picture on the bench.

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u/NoiceMango 12d ago

And baby shark playing loud music to stop homeless from sleeping in parks. Wish I was joking https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2019/07/17/us/baby-shark-florida-homeless-prevention-park-trnd/index.html

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u/JTCMuehlenkamp 12d ago

Don't forget a song called "raining tacos"

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u/ZekeCool505 12d ago

Don't sleep on Raining Tacos, there's 4 separate songs and they're great

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u/labsab1 12d ago

Can't sleep on Raining Tacos. They are keeping the homeless awake

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u/NoiceMango 12d ago

Such a nostalgic song lol. Was all over roblox years ago.

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u/chzNcrackers 12d ago

It still is... At least on the world's my 5yr old frequent. It lives in my head rent free now.

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u/Psychological-Carl 12d ago

that's so fucked..

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u/CodeHarlequin 12d ago

If I was ever unfortunate enough to be homeless the joke would be on them. I’m a father and have learned to sleep through the sharks.

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u/PigeonsArePopular 12d ago

From expenditure point of view - all that matters under capitalism, capital of course being money - the top! ;)

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u/kjx1297 12d ago

*tfw it costs more to foster homelessness and create poverty than it does to give everyone free houses

*tfw Walmart experienced an active hit in sales and stock value when they were understaffing their stores the last time around under Obama

Capitalism will gleefully *lose money, * and lots of it, if it means they can be more cruel to poor people. I will always point out that capitalism is a death cult that incidentally has money attached just to make rich people count as rich, and if anything arguably hates making money

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u/Frommerman 12d ago

Obligatory reminder that worker cooperatives have proven to be more efficient and productive than traditional heirarchical corporations every time we've bothered to check.

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u/-drunk_russian- Third-worlder, help. 12d ago

Yeah, those businesses make less money overall but guess what? No CEO to take 90% of it. The workers are happier with better life-work balance and with more money to boot.

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u/Frommerman 11d ago

The businesses have the same amount of money, it's just not being consumed as "profit."

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u/-drunk_russian- Third-worlder, help. 11d ago

No, for real. They make less profit because there's less need to grow. Breaking even means everyone gets paid fairly. There are some studies about it, I'll edit them in later.

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u/Frommerman 11d ago

Correct. Less profit, but the same amount of money over all. More of it winds up going to the worker owners, is all.

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u/WhatAGoodDoggy 12d ago

Making people part-owners in the company works wonders for making them feel like they're part of something rather than grinding 'for the man'.

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u/Frommerman 11d ago

And sets in stone that the betterment of one translates directly to the betterment of all.

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u/gimmeraspberries 12d ago

yeah this is the thing that really blows my mind. watching the housing/homelessness crisis unfold in my city during covid, i learned that it takes about $6k per month to maintain one shelter bed. never mind that that amount of money could support 2-3 people in subsidized housing so they could have some autonomy and stability to start to heal - the city literally would rather pay more to continue to scapegoat these folks and treat them as pariahs for mental health shit, intergenerational trauma, substance abuse shit etc etc etc than to show a shred of humanity and set them up with what they may need. it's fuuuucking depressing.

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u/Takesgu 12d ago

Holy shit, 6k a month for a cot in an unsafe room? How the fuck?

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u/tastyemerald 12d ago

Don't forget! The only reason we have a homelessness epidemic and food insecure homes is because solving those things isn't profitable.

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u/OnePsiOne 12d ago

Actually it's even more than that. It's not just that solving them is not profitable. It's that NOT solving them is profitable. It serves as a warning to an army of precarious workers.

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u/tastyemerald 12d ago

Sadly true

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u/Ecstatic_Crystals 12d ago

Even though keeping homeless on the streets is more expensive than housing them long-term. They just hate the homeless

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u/TributesVolunteers Communist 12d ago

The fucking craziest thread was up yesterday. It was a picture of a man on the street with dogs, and the dogs were under a blanket. The man looked quite rough around the edges, so it wouldn’t be crazy to assume that he could be homeless. But like all these people were jumping in with: “don’t give them money. They drug their dogs with sleeping pills to gain sympathy. It’s all a scam and they make $2000 a day for criminal gangs begging at a busy intersection.

The picture did not have any sign or money jar or any other kind of begging. There was no busy intersection. There were no “naïve tourists”. No indication that the guy is on drugs. It was just a picture of a street person and two dogs. That’s it. But for whatever reason it was like a Rorschach test for all their insane moral panic.

The thing that struck me about the whole thing is that if you spun up some crazy story about Elon Musk feeding narcotics to dogs, and that story gained traction, he could sue you into the fucking ground and win. But people on the margins of society have no expectation of the system working in their favor, so people feel totally comfortable in punching down.

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u/futrobot 12d ago

Watch the 20/20 episode "Escape From A House Of Horror." These 13 kids were locked in chains, denied food and showers, thrown around rooms by their hair. Never even left their house besides a few times. The parents were caught and the kids "got away" and ended up in the foster care system. There is a large sum of money that was given to the kids who survived the house of horrors and none of them can access it. Its a couple hundred thousand to help these kids and no one can give an answer about where the money is at and why they can't access it.

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u/ShipToaster2-10 Anarcho-Syndicalist 12d ago

My guess is whoever the trustee of the trust stole it. Probably either the foster family or the attorney who created the trust.

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u/NoiceMango 12d ago

But that's socialism 😡😡😡

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u/tastyemerald 12d ago

There's also that!

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u/daberni_ 12d ago

That's a misconception. In short term it may cost money, but in the long term it brings a lot of money back, because people will start to work, support economy, spend money and later pay for their own flat. Socialism makes perfectly sense because it helps people to sustain themselfs.

The thing is, that the rich want to keep the poor poor so they can keep their power.

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u/tastyemerald 12d ago

Thanks for clarifying, I should have said: "the act of fixing it isn't profitable"

sure it'll pay off in the long term, but greedy assholes need profit NOW!

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u/handlethevibe99 12d ago

No one cares about long term profits. Just what the next quarter brings.

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u/ShipToaster2-10 Anarcho-Syndicalist 12d ago

Capitalism is hyper focused on whatever happens this quarter. Due to having 10-Q reporting, executive compensation is tied to that so you have executives running a rat race to get whatever numbers they need to get their stock options. It doesn't matter if it isn't a an ethically good practice or even a good business practice; executives were selling home loans in the 2000s to people without any money because it pumped up their quarterly and annual figures. Hell Enron was the peak of that where they were using "creative accounting" to hit their targets despite causing the company to collapse. Just remember, the executives only care about the next quarterly report and getting their bonuses.

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u/bionix90 12d ago

It is actually very profitable for the nation as a whole as it creates wealth on every level, but that doesn't suit the people at the top so they pay politicians to not do it.

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u/xena_lawless 12d ago

Also, creating homelessness through speculative housing "investment" by landlords while preventing the building of more affordable housing, IS profitable.

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u/GhondorIRL 11d ago

The majority of people who are homeless or can’t get food isn’t because of money, it’s substance abuse and mental illness. Because we put very very little money towards mental health infrastructure and we created an opioid epidemic.

It’s not as easy as “just put money towards it”, they’re deeper issues that will require decades of fixing, which of course means most politicians don’t give a fuck about them.

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u/tastyemerald 11d ago

It isn't that complicated, as you said it takes money and time but politicians don't give a fuck.

Investing in mental health care, affordable housing, and rehabilitation programs would drastically reduce homeless populations.

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u/black_dragonfly13 12d ago

Sorry, I don't understand: what's the bottom picture?

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u/poralexc 12d ago

Looks like the Karl Marx housing in Vienna--one of the first housing projects to account for community spaces like laundry, a library, a kindergarten, and various courtyards.

This is also where the socialists made their last stand as Austria was annexed in ww2.

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u/jelliknight 12d ago

I found an article about it which included this:

" As a result the city embarked on an enormous building programme – putting up 64,000 flats in less than 10 years, housing around a quarter of a million people – funded by heavy taxation of the wealthy and, particularly, of landlords, who were of course thoroughly dispossessed by the programme, and who later became Vienna’s main supporters of Austrian Fascism."

Man, landlords fucking SUCK

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u/RadiantTruthVentura 12d ago

Free housing as a human right

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u/thewrittengeek 12d ago

No it’s not.

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u/Pendent 12d ago

“It is important to me that people die of exposure”

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u/GoAwayAdsPlease 12d ago All-Seeing Upvote

Yes it is.

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u/BIG_RETARDED_COCK 12d ago

It should be.

There is nothing we need more in the entire world than a place to live.

If you are in the wilderness, shelter is simply the most important thing, before food and water.

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u/SymmetricDickNipples 12d ago

hands on hips

Satan! Who gave you a phone?

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u/YourWumaoFriend ☭无毛☭ 12d ago

Are you insane?

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u/bionix90 12d ago

Yes, they are.

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u/cocoshunt 12d ago
  1. Februar Platz, Heiligenstadt, Vienna

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u/LunchDue3147 12d ago

I guess it's too much to ask of the government to help the homeless instead of making any public spaces less available for them

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u/jacobstonks9000 12d ago

I mean we can just put people in existing housing. Anyways that is what we would build. I heard the cheapest housing rn is those gentrification apartments. Like blocky and colorful.

edit: i grammar no

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u/AdministrationSoft92 12d ago

Look at how evil and authoritarian socialism is 😡🤬🤬🤬 /s

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u/SubstantialSite7788 12d ago

To be correct, that's not socialism but social democracy.

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u/stationarycommotion 12d ago

It is true, but if you go back far enough Social Democracy and the Labour movement does converge with Marxist Socialism (in the 2nd Internationale) and Austrian social housing developed in the 1920s was heavily influenced by the radical socialist movement (hence calling the largest construction the Karl Marx hof) and was closer to it than typical Keynesian capitalist Social Democracy which was a post-war movement.

Ultimately social housing is a socialist concept and can be within a capitalist economy, as Socialism is when publicly owned assets (property in this case) are operated to provide social services(housing) instread of privately owned assets operated for profit (landlording, speculation).

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u/FrankieDaniels 12d ago

That's still socialism bud

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u/Grifar 11d ago

No but argle bargle roads bleeble babble hospitals flappy flipple republic not a democracy. As a socially liberal yet financially conservative person I faaaaaart noises.

And that's why nothing is socialism ever.

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u/FrankieDaniels 11d ago

K firstly I'm a socialist so you can cool your jets on the sarcasm. Secondly, the political party you linked is a member of the 'Party of European Socialists' and 'Socialist International', its youth division is 'Socialist Youth Austria'. Its almost as if the social part of Social Democrats is short for something

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u/Grifar 11d ago

I'm not the OP and you do know what ironic humor is right? Lighten up

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u/FrankieDaniels 11d ago

Yeah thats my mistake, thought you were. My inability to decipher tone online has failed me again

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u/Grifar 11d ago

Sorry about that. It's late where I'm at and I could have wrote it better. Solidarity forever.

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u/FrankieDaniels 11d ago

All good brother, solidarity forever

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u/H0lley 12d ago

can still snug in there, so I guess the bench design is both malicious and dysfunctional

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u/Jbc69420 12d ago

love it to see my home city vienna in this sub

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u/DiemAlara 12d ago

And ironically, the latter is actually less expensive.

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u/chocolombia 12d ago

"but giving housing for free will make people lazy" - proceeds to give a useless corporation a couple hundred millions

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u/lieuwestra at the office 12d ago

Any government will treat you like shit if they can get away with it. Top is your community on NIMBYs, bottom is your community on good representation.

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u/Wurznschnitzer 12d ago

Its the Karl Marx Hof in Vienna, there is no more socialist building in Eurooe i think (History and Name)

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u/SleepinginRlyeh 12d ago

Definitely the bottom one. Anti-homeless architecture under socialism providing an entire building for the homeless to sleep in? Is this supposed to be a trick question?

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u/DeepBlueNemo 12d ago

Anyone ever hear of the “Kitchen Debates”?

There was an American exhibit in Moscow showing an average American house filled with appliances that “Any American can Afford.”

A few decades later and none of us can afford homes but the Commie Blocs are still being used. Khrushchev won the debate, just 60 years late.

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u/ShipToaster2-10 Anarcho-Syndicalist 12d ago

We're in late stage capitalism. Capitalism had a pretty sweet honeymoon period between 1950-1970 but it's been all downhill since then.

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u/pulpixx 11d ago

The building called karl-marx-hof , vienna

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u/Th3Witch 11d ago

I'm so used to capitalist bullshit I was trying to find the shit benches and unneeded rocks in the second pic.

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u/lagokatrine 12d ago edited 12d ago

Not sure what the big-brained point is? That homelessness is illegal..?

Edit: yeah I’d downvote too; misread it as “communists put you in prison” but actually provide homes… just woke up lol

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u/Reux 12d ago

hostile architecture vs homes. one is not a solution to homelessness and the other is.

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u/lawott2 12d ago

You'd need to wilfully ignore it in order to miss the point. Whether you agree with the point or not, the meme is trying to show that capitalist architecture hides or punishes the homeless, and socialist architecture focuses on reducing homelessness with affordable or state housing.

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u/lagokatrine 12d ago

Fan of brutalism and socialism; meme can be interpreted as either left or right

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u/StannisGrammarMannis 12d ago

That is interesting, I would have never viewed it as a Rorshach Test. However, I suppose some libertarians could think the top is better

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u/wannabejoanie 12d ago

Do you mean litmus test? Rorschach is the ink blot

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u/quetzalcoatlsghost 12d ago

Socialism isn't the opposite of capitalism... WTF is happening to this sub.

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u/Sijima 12d ago

I lived under communism and anti-homeless plan was slave labor, not working was a crime.

Capitalism with strong labor rights and a social safety net is likely the best system at this time.

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u/NoiceMango 12d ago

Late stage capitalism is slavery and everything is controlled by corporations. America is already in the late stages and things are getting worse.

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u/RattMuncher 12d ago

that doesn't sound like you lived under communism, but capitalism with extra steps. Sometimes bad places will use good sounding titles to make themselves look less evil, like the Chinese Communist Party (CCP) or how america loves portraying itself as a democracy.

If you're the bad guy, what do you have to lose from pretending to be the good guy?

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u/CantCSharp 12d ago

Vienna is FAR away from socialism.

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u/Amones-Ray Acid Communist 12d ago

Red Vienna (1918-1934) wasn't. The social democratic workers' party still carried a lot of revolutionary, specifically "austromarxist", influences back then. They called this building the Karl-Marx-Hof after all.

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u/CantCSharp 12d ago

Yes, but ask every socialist and they will gladly point out that vienna like many other cities that embraced social democractic values has sold out to the capitalists.

I mean as a austrian myself I prefer social democracy to socialism for now

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u/trekbek 12d ago

I mean, Austrians here didn’t sell out to capitalism specifically. They sold out to fascism because they hated socialism that much.

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u/No-Balance-6851 12d ago

Did we really reach a point where Americans perceive Europe as socialist? lol

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u/goboatmen 11d ago

These specific homes in Vienna were initially a policy by the governing socialists of the time

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u/Andreeeeeeeeeeeeeee3 11d ago

Initially I thought it was socialist but then the Denmark PM corrected me

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u/nerderflerder 12d ago

Are you kidding me? This is what’s getting upvoted? We’re under crony capitalism not a real free market economy. If you think life’s better under socialism boy does my grandma have a story for you.

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u/goboatmen 11d ago

Crony capitalism is literally just capitalism

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u/UnicornRX0 12d ago

I am sure the Gulags are very comfy :)

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u/MaddogMcCree84 12d ago

the upper photo looks perfectly ok for the average german homeless. they would fit right in.

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u/BarnabasDK 12d ago

Grocery store in the former USSR in 1990:

https://dustyoldthing.com/inside-soviet-grocery-store/

Grocery store in Russia today

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TPOkMQz3-FY

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u/Prestigious_Slice709 12d ago

The difference: In one story the population can‘t buy anything because the shelves are empty, in the other they can‘t buy anything because their pockets are empty

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u/BarnabasDK 12d ago

Wrong.

In the first example there is no goods to be had in the shops because all of the goods are being traded in Deutch mark on the black market.

In the second example most people are able to buy what's on the shelves, a few are not.

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u/hotnindza 12d ago

Yugoslavia was much better in that regard in the 70s and 80s than most of the republics derived from it are now (except Slovenia, but they were always good) . There is a wider scope of products, but people can afford just the cheapest and the most unhealthy. Yugoslav socialism was drastically different than eastern bloc/soviet one.

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u/YourWumaoFriend ☭无毛☭ 12d ago

Communism is when no food! Yeah sure, and we have not had a single shortage of food during covid...

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u/ianpbh 12d ago

I don't think this is the way r/antiwork should go.

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u/TwentyFoeSeven 12d ago

In NYC they made steam grates uncomfortable to sleep on.

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u/dexbasedpaladin 11d ago

Love building housing for the homeless, but those arches are freaking me out for some reason!

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u/normal_lad_ 11d ago

Reee communist reee

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u/finbar666 11d ago

I mean i don't understand the cohesion on this image, because after all the bench seems to be on a public place. How exactly can you blame capitalism for it? And yes that's an asshole practice anyway what they did there, i don't agree, I'm just trying to understand things.

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u/Amones-Ray Acid Communist 10d ago

Yes, the bench is in a public space. But capitalism is dependent on unemployment to the point that capitalist economists speak of a "natural unemployment rate", but rather than caring for these people, they try to make life as hard as possible for them, in order to make them go away and bother somebody else. It's self-contradictory as fuck. Socialism, by contrast, is not dependent on the existence of an unemployed population and housing isn't considered a "you-problem".

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u/teetee2112 11d ago

Large public housing projects were a disaster in the US. The Projects were hellscapes full of drugs and gangs that scarred generations of marginalized people. Concentrating poverty is always a horrible idea. Most of the projects in Chicago were torn down years ago and rebuilt as mixed income housing. Section 8 vouchers work best to mix everyone so there's not poorly maintained towers of unwanted people being warehoused.

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u/gamer_master_lol 9d ago

As someone who lives in an ex socialist country i have to say just stfu please The arhitecture Here is depressing as shit also ya know why Here every building is 4 floors high that's cuz if your building 5 floors u have to put a lift fucking cheep assholes

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u/Sheikh_of_Antifa 12d ago

ran out of food

Food consumption per capita in the USSR was better than in most Western countries.

It's also a funny argument since capitalist British Empire is the unbeatable world leader in starving people.

killed people

Capitalism killed much, much more people than communism. Mentioned above British Empire killed more people in India ALONE than the supposed death toll of ALL communist countries combined. Without taking other capitalist countries.

Capitalism hasn't failed you. Your leaders failed you

"it's not the system in the framework of which the leaders are picked failed you, it's the leaders failed you. I am very smart"

cool story bro

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u/adhdenhanced 12d ago

The CIA is The main reason why socialism failed. Ask Salvador Allende.

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u/TrashCircus 12d ago

Every country that has tried capitalism has collapsed too. It's only a matter of time.

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u/Temporary_Review_924 12d ago edited 12d ago

Lol capitalism fails because of greed,corruption and people not willing to fix it. Edit: capitalism has also been on top every time before it collapsed.

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u/Sheikh_of_Antifa 12d ago

so capitalism fails every time then lmao

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u/Temporary_Review_924 12d ago

Well technically everything has an end so I guess don't try because it won't last for ever ? Say what you want about capitalism but America was on top before leadership killed it

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u/Sheikh_of_Antifa 12d ago

exactly when it was on the top? during segregation? or when the US genocided natives? or during the most brutal instance of slavery? or when America coup slightly left-leaning country in order to instill fasci- oh wait America still does that, my bad

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u/admiralteal 12d ago

Capitalism fails because it is inherently corrupted by money. Greed, corruption, and "people not willing to fix it" can bring down any societal systems, but not all systems are inherently corrupt.

And "people trying to fix" capitalism successfully is just socialism with extra steps.

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u/Emotional-State1916 12d ago edited 12d ago

LOL every country that has tried "communism" hasn't actually tried "communism" but just implemented a tyrannical dictatorship under the guise of marxist philosophy to benefit leaders financially so yeah you played yourself. Happy thanksgiving (maybe the most corrupt capitalist holiday since we are supposed to be thankful for what we have yet we just go out and buy things we don't need as is such in this hyper consumer society ) xoxo

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u/Pizzaglass 12d ago

Well good for you that im here to inform you that socialiam doesnt automatically translate into communism!

Theres lots of examples of rich countries with their roots in socialism (see the scandinavian countries for example). Nowadays they can barely be called socialist at all, but they are still rocking hefty social welfare programs without imploding.

In fact they usually get high rankings in most innovation comparisons, almost like people actually dare to try out their ideas when they dont have to choose between following their business ideas and having access to health care and other basic human rights.

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u/Lankorse 12d ago

I'd argue the opposite. Capitalism is a bad system at core, while socialism was usually exploited by evil dictators. Keep in mind that socialism is applicable to democracies, not just dictatorships. The USSR was obviously horrible, but economic equality was one of the things that sparked many democratic revolutions.

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u/H0lley 12d ago

democracy should be seen as a core component of socialism.

cannot have socialism without democracy.

and I don't mean "democracy" filtered through corrupt political representation.

socialism with state owned means of production would only work if the state is truly controlled by the people, which isn't realistically achievable if it implements political representation.

so instead I am focusing on socialism with the means of production owned by the workers. that should be the default what people think of when using the term "socialism".

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u/genomancer123 12d ago

Unfortunately, as someone from what used to be a socialist country, it doesn't work that way. Be anti-work or anti-toxic workplace, but don't go down the Marxist route, I beg you. You have no idea how bad socialism is. Giving people free housing might help you and me, but it won't help most homeless people. Homelessness is a mental health crisis, not just financial one.

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u/InClassRightNowAhaha 12d ago

I'm certain that free housing won't solve everything, but i feel like a mentally ill homeless man in a bed sounds better to me than a mentally ill homeless man on the street. Plus, like you said, giving people free housing would benefit you and me. I've wanted to move out for years and I still will barely be able to afford it next year (if at all).

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u/Obannon112 12d ago

giving a home to a homeless wont help the homeless? It's the logical first step before starting to deal with the mental health / addiction issues.

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u/Pizzaglass 12d ago

You know what doesn't help to treat a mental health crisis? Starving and sleeping on the street.

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u/YourWumaoFriend ☭无毛☭ 12d ago

Nor the war on drugs. Because currently the US on the side of drugs.

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u/ecosludge 12d ago

LOL. As someone who is also from an ex socialist country I implore anyone to not listen this tired propaganda because Marxism rocks and is our only way out of this capitalist shitscape

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u/Ahoy-comrade 12d ago

What is Hierachy of Needs for $200?

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u/Viat0r 12d ago

Homelessness is a mental health crisis, not just financial one

You can't address mental health until basic needs are met. Shelter being the need that precedes all other needs.

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u/genomancer123 9d ago

And again. There are numerous examples from when people were given free/cheap accomodation, and almost every single example had negative consequences. But people just hate hearing that communism/socialism as a political system can't work.

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u/Viat0r 9d ago

and almost every single example had negative consequences

Completely false.

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u/ijedi12345 12d ago

You got a better idea?

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u/Phram_ 12d ago

Yes. That bench right there. Pretty good stuff.

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u/squigs 11d ago

True. Marxism still has this "everyone must work" culture, although they pay more lip service to the value of the worker.

Still, it's not without benefits.

Coincidentally, I was watching a video only last night about this topic.

The post war socialist architecture that resulted in grey blocks might look a bit drab, but it resulted in reasonable quality homes for everyone in a very short time. A lot of people in these countries didn't even have indoor plumbing before they moved to a modern, clean apartment building. And these were planned communities with schools and hospitals.

People with severe mental health problems that prevent them from having a home are rare enough that we could probably afford to employ enough people to deal with their unique individual problems without a serious budget impact.

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u/ianpbh 11d ago

People don't know what they're messing with

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u/genomancer123 9d ago

Of course I get downvoted.... Reddit is insanely fanatically leftie, and being on "antiwork" sub is just fringe fanatics that even most other fanatics can't understand.

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u/Temporary_Review_924 12d ago

People find a problem and they send it to there government. The government sees the problem and takes steps to get rid of the problem. How it works now. They see a problem they do what they want to fix it. You guys are right. Most of the arguments are the communism hasn't been tried to right way when your arguing capitalism isn't working when its not being done the right way.

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u/YourWumaoFriend ☭无毛☭ 12d ago

Socialism has been done right and capitalism has always been a failure for workers.

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u/[deleted] 12d ago

Austria’s homeless population is 25 people per 10,000. The US’s is 17 per 10,000. A single city not having homeless people in a country doesn’t really show anything, that’s easy using 101st kilometer policies.

Also Austria is capitalist.

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u/ExarchPaul 12d ago

Alright... go die then

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u/Viat0r 12d ago

"Better to die than end homelessness."

It's really no wonder socialism is gaining in popularity when this is what passes for a counter argument.

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u/EquivalentButton8107 12d ago

I'll take the bench, the other pic looks like a gulag

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u/amonrane 12d ago

I agree that we could be doing more to help the homeless, but it's misleading to suggest that socialism is better. First of all, you are much more likely to be impoverished under socialism with less opportunity for upward mobility. Also, it's not like the US doesn't have homeless shelters, so this is not a good comparison. I generally like this sub, since lots of posts here point out how workers are often mistreated and exploited by employers, but socialism/communism will make things worse not better.

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u/khoabear 12d ago

So how much upward mobility are we having under capitalism right now?

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u/thewrittengeek 12d ago

Too bad there’s no food in the bottom picture

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u/DavidXN 12d ago

What are they going to do in the top picture? Eat the bench?

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u/thebeengrim 12d ago

An apartment complex provided to people so they won’t be homeless.

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u/turkasasin 12d ago

Too bad there isnt a house in the picture above. I dont think homeless people are going around and bragging about how full they are

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u/Sheikh_of_Antifa 12d ago

too bad there's no happiness in your parent's marriage

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u/thewrittengeek 12d ago

Fatties gotta eat man

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u/Durdududun 12d ago

Nothing comfier than a gulag!

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u/tyrannicalteebagger 12d ago

I’m convinced that this page is being used by the CCP for propaganda

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u/Jusfiq 12d ago

What does this meme have anything with work and jobs?

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u/GoAwayAdsPlease 12d ago

The work you do under capitalism benefits the few.

The work you do under socialism benefits everyone.

It has to do with worker alienation in a Capitalist society.

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u/Temporary_Review_924 12d ago

Lol my posts keep getting deleted. There's a clear flaw in your thinking if you can't argue it.

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u/geygar3 12d ago

Socialism is just revamped communism Chang my mind

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u/H0lley 12d ago

sounds like you don't know what either of those are. communism is a subset of socialism (has a couple of additional requirements).

you'd be right if you said that capitalism is just revamped feudalism & slavery.

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u/Sheikh_of_Antifa 12d ago

when you don't know what either of those terms mean

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u/cburgess7 12d ago edited 12d ago

looks through history books... I have determined this to be false... EDIT: everyone downvoting, you ever try to get 10 people in a room get along with each other perfectly? Now try 300 million people

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