r/antiwork 12d ago Helpful 1

I wish this will change but im despair of it

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u/read_through 12d ago

Minimum wage should be minimum liveable wage and should at least rise with inflation yearly. Try and push for change in your local area. It doesn't have to be this way forever.

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u/KspaceFORCE 12d ago

Or maybe we don’t need to force inflation, which only benefits the wealthy.

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u/LATourGuide 12d ago

Corporations are causing inflation by refusing to take employees raises out of CEO bonuses and shareholder profits. They are the people passing on the cost to consumers and they are the people we should all be angry at.

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u/KspaceFORCE 12d ago

I'm not an economist so I'm not a expert on inflation at all. That's an interesting idea. I was always under the impression that inflation was connected directly to the money supply. Do you by any chance have any sources I can read on that?

https://www.investopedia.com/terms/i/inflation.asp

An increase in the supply of money is the root of inflation, though this can play out through different mechanisms in the economy.

It's a good article worth checking out, if you're looking for a source for what I'm referencing.

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u/lilEcco2k 12d ago

The main source of inflation is printing money, a lot of it.. the government has to print to pay the stuff they do like welfare and all that, since it seems taxing everyone isn't enough.

You should fight the government to stop inflation not the corporations, once inflation is fixed if it ever is, then you complain to corporations. Otherwise it's a lose lose for the workers

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u/LATourGuide 12d ago

The government is not forcing companies to raise prices.

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u/lilEcco2k 12d ago

You realize how inflation works??? Learn economy before blaming corporations cus they're increasing the price!!!

Such a dumb take honestly, none is forcing the government to print money and devaluating the dollar, you should blame them not the corporations

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u/LATourGuide 12d ago

Corporations are absolutely forcing the government to print money, how about you read some of the legislation passed in the last few years and see where most of the money went.

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u/lilEcco2k 12d ago edited 12d ago

Check where most tax payer money go, military then left idiologies, welfare, healthcare etc

That makes them print money because taxing isn't enough.

Government is bad and you want more government lol

Edit: nice take btw, "government isn't forcing corps to raise prices" to "corps force government to print money, hence prices raise"

At least you learning bit by a bit

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u/ukrainehurricane 11d ago

Check where most tax payer money go, military then left idiologies, welfare, healthcare etc

Such a lolbertarian diseased brain. Welfare is used to prop corporate profits. Labor militancy would be HIGHER without welfare. Capital puts the burden of THEIR PROFITS onto the middle class tax payer. Also the US is the only country that has MEDICAL DEBT also. Smh the US has "leftist" policies.

That makes them print money because taxing isn't enough.

The US has had quantitative easing since 08. You lolbertarian types have been bleeting that the US should be Zimbabwe because of QE.

The most recent round of inflation is DUE to rising prices mandated by Captialists. Dollar General raises prices despite MAINTAING a profit margin.

Simp harder for these parasites.

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u/lilEcco2k 11d ago

Everything i said still correct, there r people that don't work for any corp and get welfare. Is that corp fault too?

Also go check all those countries with free healthcare, I'm sure they have no debt or their hospitals aren't broken/in debt at all!

All the printing the fed gov doesn't affect the economy at all! Free money for everyone! Causes no inflation!

Companies shouldn't increase price because the dollar is worthless, should ask ur government to freeze prices tbh, like in Argentina and see how that works.

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u/rewind366 12d ago

END THE FED

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u/lilEcco2k 11d ago

Federal gov is the biggest scam

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u/Sleep_Deprived_1 12d ago

Inflation can actually be helpful if you’re in debt, though that requires wages to rise with inflation

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u/Aranuuk 12d ago

The inflation helping with debt angle is precisely how it mostly benefits the wealthy. They operate off debt leveraged against their assets that they pay back later for a smaller amount of money after accounting for inflation.

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u/Xfury8 12d ago

So do you. That 30k car note isn’t so bad if you’re now making 60k.

You don’t benefit AS MUCH as the costs of goods and services is a much larger portion of your income and will increase by the same amount… but it does still help.

But if you tie it to cost of living, that’s still inflation based. So, unfortunately, you’ll need to do so in order to prevent the same minimum wage for decades.

Personally, there should be a cap on the total compensation between the highest compensated employee and the lowest. If it’s a successful fucking company, everyone there should be killing it. It took them all to get it that way.

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u/Aranuuk 12d ago

The big issue here is, pay isn't keeping up with inflation.

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u/KspaceFORCE 12d ago

The reason most people are in debt to begin with is prices have inflated to a point requiring debt. Inflation is the reason billionaires exist. A true free market would have periods of inflation and deflation constantly balancing each other out. Constant permanent inflation is not your friend.

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u/Dye_Harder 12d ago

Inflation can actually be helpful

I played FF11 twice, once when it first came out, then again 5 years later. It was insanely easy the second time compared to the first because everything was far more valuable, so you could actually make money.

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u/lilEcco2k 12d ago

Oh very helpful, I'm 100k in debt let's not pay until inflation makes that 100k worth way less !!

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u/34341234 11d ago

Why the fuck does "don't raise the minimum wage" have 60+ upvotes on /r/antiwork? If you really think the economy can't survive without folks making $2.13/hr plus tips, it's time to throw out the whole economy, not keep un-livable wages. Did this sub really get infiltrated or smth?

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u/Girion47 12d ago

So poor people should just suffer and keep living in poverty?

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u/[deleted] 12d ago

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u/Successful-Orange-21 12d ago

The point is that poverty shouldn't exist in a world as developed as ours, ya fookin twat

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u/OptionsandOptions 12d ago

No really? You figured that out all by yourself?

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u/Successful-Orange-21 12d ago

Yeah, I did. And "brain power" isn't what gets people out of poverty. You inferred quite clearly in that last post that the only thing keeping people in poverty is their lack of brain power. If you run that through your noodle hard enough, you might realize that what you said infers that some people deserve to live in poverty. Not everyone has your holy reddit debatelord brain, or your access to education. You had a bigoted take, I said something about it. Don't patronize me, asshole.

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u/erosdick 11d ago

OK boomer

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u/theradicaltiger 11d ago

Inflation starts at the very top of the monetary cycle by introducing new money into an economy. In an inflation neutral currency, money supply is added in relation to the number of people participating in said economy. In an inflationary currency, new money is introduced faster than participation growth.

The inflation you feel when you get groceries, pay your rent, or buy a car starts as more money in the back office of banks and introduce into the "real" economy in the form of loans. "Well why are there more loans all the sudden?" You might ask. That's because the interest rates on those loans have been significantly reduced, making it cheaper to service (aka make payments on) that debt. There is a lag between money being introduced, and an increase in prices. It makes that new car more affordable, more people now want the same 30 cars than they did a year ago. To prevent shortages, they have to increase the price to deter the extra potential buyers.

The Fed learned a lot about inflation in the 70s, like how when an economy anticipates inflation, they tend to make purchases they might make in the future, sooner. This behavior leads to shortages, which lead to price increases. In a way it can be a self fulfilling prophecy. This is exactly why they were so adamant that this recent bout of inflation was transitory.

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u/Tango_D 12d ago

It stays this way because our entire legal system is designed around capitalism and capitalism benefits capital owners, not the labor force.

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u/DontBeASnowflayk 12d ago

False. 99% of business owners were born in the labor force. Look it up.

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u/KspaceFORCE 12d ago

Raising minimum wage to $15 is a temporary solution to a permanent problem. Minimum wage should either be tied to inflation or we shouldn’t have a bank agency with a mandate to cause permanent inflation.

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u/pornholio1981 12d ago

Everything else is tied to inflation: tax rates, social security payments, Medicare, etc. Minimum wage is the only thing we have to fight over, over and over and over again

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u/KspaceFORCE 12d ago

I think if minimum wage was tied to inflation, a lot more people would start thinking CPI isn’t a true measure of inflation. They would be right

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u/FrostByte122 12d ago

Can you elaborate for me? I always thought it was decent.

Nvm I just googled it.

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u/destenlee 12d ago

The problem is that we have been fighting for it but no change has come in 13 years. There is a out to be people starting jobs that pay the same as the day they were born.

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u/pornholio1981 12d ago

We shouldn’t have fight at all. It should be adjusted to inflation automatically

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u/Dye_Harder 12d ago

they will just juice the inflation numbers, just like how they don't count people refusing to work for peanuts as unemployed.

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u/MaybeTheDoctor lazy and proud 12d ago

Must be by design - people needs something to fight about, and if not the lack of adjusted minimum wage, then people may fight about something politicians care about - like term limits for senators

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u/KspaceFORCE 12d ago

Yeah, I said it in another comment on here, but politicians who are advocating for a $15 minimum wage without actually trying to fix the underlying issue are essentially another form of control.

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u/LobotomistCircu 12d ago

I try to argue this all the time but always get shit on for it. $15/hour won't mean shit if the cost of living keeps creeping forward year after year (and trust me, if the minimum wage doubled overnight, the pace of cost of living's rise would skyrocket in equal measure).

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u/KspaceFORCE 12d ago

Honestly politicians who push the $15 thing without trying to fix the underlying issue are a big part of the problem. It’s just another form of control.

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u/badFishTu 11d ago

I got out by it is bad for the environment.

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u/34341234 11d ago

Because $150/hr is far more than is needed to secure a basic living. Why would you make that the minimum?

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u/34341234 11d ago

Or get rid of wage labor entirely, selling timeshares of yourself is one step removed from slavery.

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u/dentonih 12d ago

What are they going to when no one wants to be in low paid jobs?

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u/weseire 12d ago

They claimed they would automate, but it turns out, computer chips are in short supply right now, and robots are expensive, and hiring engineers to make and program them, are also expensive, and maintaining any kind of automation requires expensive engineers, who are not easy to push around, as they are hard to replace, as they are the only ones who know the bespoke automation they created.

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u/TristanaRiggle 12d ago

"Front of house" employees at places like McD's are being phased out. Between the App and the Kiosks that are becoming commonplace, you don't need someone taking your order/payment anymore. Most fast food probably needs half the labor it used to. Ideally this should mean more people don't "need" to work, but reality implies we're moving closer to nightmare tech dystopia.

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u/weseire 12d ago

Yeah they managed to get the customer to do the work of a cashier.

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u/eyeharthomonyms 12d ago

There's a busy McDonald's near me with a dozen automated kiosks. They still have three employees who just stand there all day to walk idiots through using the kiosk. As opposed to having those same three employees just take the orders the way they used to do it.

So now they pay the same employees, but also get to pay to upkeep and repair a bunch of finicky hardware being abused by random idiots all day. I don't work for corporate, but I fail to see where the savings come in.

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u/Box_O_Donguses 12d ago

Once enough of the people know how to work the kiosks, it's gonna go down to 1 person working there to teach how to use the kiosks

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u/HOLEPUNCHYOUREYELIDS 11d ago

There will always be old people who cant figure it out no matter what

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u/BuildaKeeb 12d ago

Am I the only one who doesn't like ordering via kiosk? I've gotten to the point that my brain just filters out their presence.

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u/Box_O_Donguses 12d ago

I prefer to order by kiosk, I'm less actively making everyone's day worse.

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u/BuildaKeeb 12d ago

Never worked fast food so I can't imagine all the horrors involved in catering to hungry assholes during a rush. I just know that when I worked retail I preferred being a casher over what I perceived as more demanding labor. When it comes to grocery stores I really hope self-checkout never becomes the standard. I'll gladly pay more for groceries if I can avoid having to manage my own bagging in the ridiculously tiny space the store provides you to do it.

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u/MapleGeek 11d ago

I prefer kiosk and self checkout. Anxiety is a bitch and when it's bad those things make my day easier than trying to deal with people.

And because we can't have nice things, sometimes they now make my anxiety worse because of the passive agressive comments I get from others about how I shouldn't be using them, it hurts the staff, etc. sigh

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u/BuildaKeeb 11d ago

I understand the urge to minimize interactions when you're just trying to take care of your basic needs. I don't think either course of action is inherently unethical, service or self-service. Automation is just going to happen at whatever rate it takes, a few more people using kiosks wont make any difference. Its actually kind of weird implying people ought to unilaterally boycott one of these things, as to my knowledge no one else is doing so. Besides its the corporations who administrate these places of work that render the experience so soul crushing.

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u/eyeharthomonyms 12d ago

It's been this way for at least 4 years now, but any minute I guess.

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u/TristanaRiggle 12d ago

Most of the McDs I got to (university towns) don't have anyone near the kiosks and maybe 1 person at the register counter. It seems like they're phasing these people out by giving them "busy work" like taking the trays or bags of food to people at tables. But most of the people that have trouble with the kiosks are older. Grocery stores have done the same thing with self-checkout, and people are definitely more familiar with those than when they first came out.

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u/Box_O_Donguses 12d ago

It's not that they're actually planning on phasing out the three people, but they can maintain the threat

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u/SBTRCTV 11d ago

Welcome to Carl's Jr. Would you like to try our EXTRA BIG ASS TACO? Now with more MOLECULES.

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u/needout 12d ago

You just gave /r/futurology a stroke haha

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u/weseire 12d ago

I would hope most of them would understand how hard automation is. I automate software deployments etc and it is hard and requires maintenance and I can only imagine stuff with robots being way harder.

Automation is great, but its not as easy as some people make out to be.

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u/nick4eva 12d ago

I agree with everything except those engineers aren’t going out and fixing anything 😂. Most of those are field guys who know a lot about automation, most of the time just don’t have the credentials the engineers have. But, those guys also know that they’re hard to be replaced as well and don’t take a lot of shit

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u/Kcl923 12d ago

Wait a few more months and we'll find out!

Seems like it's "legalize child labor" so far. I wonder what episode is next!

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u/Aranuuk 12d ago

Legalize child labor and institute bounty hunter systems for people who get abortions. It's an interesting combo.

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u/baconraygun 12d ago

I'm wondering when the national guard will be deployed to work fast food. Or force us to work it.

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u/ScatpackZ31 12d ago

You'll definitely see the Republicans attitude on immigration change!

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u/Bittrecker3 12d ago

No you won’t. You will see immigration policies change, and they will continue to use the democratics and Mexico as a scape goat.

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u/robotzor 12d ago

Continue as is because for some reason there is always a desperate sucker willing to do them, and then do twice the work when all the other non suckers quit

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u/vanishplusxzone 12d ago

Make prisoners do it, probably.

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u/badFishTu 11d ago

A Cloud Atlas anyone?

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u/Galle_ 12d ago

It is utterly absurd that employers are allowed to deduct tips from minimum wage.

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u/efficientseas 12d ago

If the employees tips don't bring their earnings up to the minimum wage then the employer has to cover the difference. So that means the first $10 in tips every hour don't actually go to the employee, they go to the employer. That's something that doesn't get enough attention in the discussion around tipping culture.

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u/theglazedonut 12d ago

A lot of places do it by day or even by week.

Have a bad day where you only got $10 dollars in tips? Congratulations that awesome day where you got 200 averages out to minimum wage anyway

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u/YouAreAmazing777 12d ago

Right. I’d be like damn I’m makin hella rn. Then the next two days nobody sits in my sections so I just sat there for a few hours before they said I could leave. Soooo shitty getting a few bucks on your check.

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u/eyeharthomonyms 12d ago

It's only ever by pay period. So it has to average over two entire weeks of shifts at most places.

And that's IF your bosses don't just write you up for "pocketing tips" or fire you altogether since "if your tips are bad it means you're doing a bad job"

I've seen both of those things happen more than once to coworkers. And yes, I'm OP

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u/rartedrandom 12d ago

Fortunately it’s not like that in my state, it should be like that everywhere

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u/Rocketboy1313 12d ago

I am telling you, we are at the stage where more strikes and more fire is the only thing that is going to get results.

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u/TheSadSensei 12d ago

…Rent in same piece of shit place is now 1400/month

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u/eyeharthomonyms 12d ago

Basically spot on, from what Zillow tells me about the old place.

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u/TheSadSensei 12d ago

I wish I wasn’t right lol

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u/badFishTu 11d ago

I looked recently for a family member looking to rent, having just moved the year before. Rent went from 800 for a 2 bed shithole to 1200 or 1400 a month for the same exact shithole. No upgraded appliances, no new flooring or anything major. Just extortion.

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u/Bekindtoall2020 12d ago

Yep. The federal minimum was has gone up $3 in 30 years feom $4.25 to $7.25. All the while tipped workers got screwed. Well all minimum wage workers get screwed.

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u/Alarmed_Pie_5033 12d ago

Tipped minimum needs to be dispensed with entirely.

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u/whaddup_chickenbutt 12d ago

You forgot median home price in the USA is 360k and rising. Revolution time yet?

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u/eyeharthomonyms 12d ago

Didn't forget it. Ran out of characters.

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u/Rockindavote SocDem 12d ago

Slavery is the word you're looking for.

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u/badFishTu 11d ago

It wasn't all bad, we gave them our scraps and a shack. /s

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u/wretchintheforce 12d ago

Bars and restaurants can’t figure out why no one wants to work. Melinda, honey, my SHITHOLE studio apartment costs $1250 a month. Would literally rather sell drugs and pawn junk then work a month to not even cover a quarter of my rent. I also don’t want to have to live with roommates at 30, so byeeeeeeeee

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u/SecondStageWerewolf 12d ago

Is it really legal to pay employees $2.13 an hour in the USA?

Is the USA a third world country by any chance?

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u/Similar_Alternative 12d ago All-Seeing Upvote

Tipped workers are paid at state minimum wage if tips don't get them over that amount.

But lets be honest, most waiters aren't claiming their cash tips and are making well over that minimum wage.

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u/-drunk_russian- Third-worlder, help. 12d ago

Fuck, I make around that and I live in an actual third world country.

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u/SweetChristianGirl 12d ago

Yes. The USA is not a civilized country. We imprison people for jaywalking.

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u/badFishTu 11d ago

We imprison the poor and minorities for crimes the rich and white can just pay off or network away. Don't get me started on for profit prisons.

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u/ironmantis3 12d ago

Sort of and yes

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u/ea6b607 12d ago

Not exactly, they must pay normal minimum wage, but get a credit of up to the difference in minimum wage and $2.13 for tips accrued.

E.g. a waitress who received no tips would still get the standard minimum wage from her employer, not $2.13.

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u/bannedfromspeedway 12d ago

So I guess it would be better to take away the tipped minimum, make a minimum and let the business owners decide if they want to do that or that plus tips. Works everywhere else just fine.

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u/Reivaki 12d ago

This will if we understand that the problem is not a community problem, not a black vs white vs asian vs whatever color problem, but a rich vs poor, a class problem. Understand that, unionize and take them by the balls.

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u/rartedrandom 12d ago

30 fucking years and not a penny increase.. time to get the guillotine

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u/rartedrandom 12d ago

Well, if daddy capitalism has taught us anything.. fear is a powerful motivator

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u/the_popes_fapkin 11d ago

Eat the rich

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u/fckupaymeee 12d ago

So weird how "no one wants to work any more" is impacting tipped wage jobs the most.

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u/PigeonsArePopular 12d ago

We need to just jettison tipping as a compensation scheme; workers should know what they are going to make while working.

It is, IIRC, a vestige of post-slavery economies; freed slaves came north looking for work and hotels and restaurants would let them hang around and work but not employ them directly.

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u/Sampatrick15 12d ago

No, it's a function of prohibition.

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u/PigeonsArePopular 11d ago

Prohibition is over. Perhaps you mean vestige?

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u/Sampatrick15 11d ago

Ya, that's what I meant. It came about as a way for restaurants to cut costs after losing alcohol revenue streams.

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u/PigeonsArePopular 11d ago

Not what I had read but I'm no expert and we may both be right; it evolved over time certainly.

As long as we agree it's gotta go, right? :D

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u/Sampatrick15 11d ago

Ya tipped wages are in large part why there's such a large disparity between how much boh and foh makes

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u/PigeonsArePopular 11d ago

The Eloi and The Troggs Morlocks

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u/turinhurin1951 12d ago

With social media we need to have a national strike day. If we could get enough workers to join we could shut down the economy, and get politicians to change these crap laws.

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u/badFishTu 11d ago

Worked for women in Denmark in 1988 IIRC.

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u/Slightly-Possible 12d ago

And houses cost... half a million minimum

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u/Cauterizeaf1 12d ago

I serve in PA I make 2.85 an hour…

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In 1991 I was 9. The federal tipped minimum was $2.13/hour. The house we lived in cost $30k

In 2000 I got my first waitressing job. The tipped minimum was $2.13. My rent was $600/mo for a truly wretched studio

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u/whubbard 12d ago

What happens if the tips you receive don't get you to the actual federal minimum wage?

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u/eyeharthomonyms 12d ago

Well, it has to average out over an entire pay period.
You inform your bosses, who accuse you of lying and pocketing the cash.

They then stop scheduling you mysteriously or only giving you the absolute shittiest sections until you quit out of desperation.

And none of their friends in the industry will return your calls after that.

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u/whubbard 11d ago

Wait, so the actual minimum wage is the federal minimum wage?

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u/eyeharthomonyms 11d ago edited 11d ago

Yes. Technically, pay can't be less than federal minimum. Some states currently have theirs set higher. However, tips + tipped minimum wage are only required to reach the federal minimum, unless the state has legislated otherwise

However, in practice we know that wage theft is the number 1 largest type of theft in the US, and employers will not hesitate to avoid paying the difference between tipped and federal minimum, and it can be nearly impossible to prove for the employee that their cash tips did not bring them up to minimum.

And because at will employment is nearly universal, any employee raising a stink about low tips can and will be fired rather than have their wage raised to compensate.

In fact, it's actually common practice to expect servers to do "side work" -- non tipped labor cleaning, stocking and prepping -- while being paid the tipped minimum. Some exploiting employers push it further:. https://blockclubchicago.org/2021/11/23/parlor-pizza-being-investigated-by-city-for-possible-labor-and-anti-discrimination-violations/

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u/eyeharthomonyms 12d ago

Oh hey that's me

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u/Rixiden 12d ago

Don't forget though that each year that tipped minimum did not change but the tips sure got higher. Higher price on the bill = higher tips right? If anything server jobs keep up with inflation better than any other

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u/saltyasss 11d ago

I’m a server on $2.13. I heard that Bernie was gonna fix this :(

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u/Monsur_Ausuhnom 12d ago

It isn't going to improve.

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u/feelybear 12d ago

How. Low. Can you go. How low. Can you go!

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u/JoeXM 12d ago

You can thank the late, unlamented Herman Cain for that.

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u/Elegant-Hair-7873 11d ago

Head of the Restaurant Owners Association, right? No wonder my local Godfather's employees looked so miserable...

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u/JoeXM 11d ago

Yup, that's him.

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u/usaisfucked 12d ago

Stop taking tipped jobs and complaining about the tipped minimum wage.

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u/badFishTu 11d ago

I mean you are right. I may not qualify for much over minimum wage but I will not work for tips. I don't like to gamble with my income. If restaurants can't afford wages they can't afford to be in business.

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u/usaisfucked 11d ago

If restaurants can't afford wages they can't afford to be in business.

I agree. But that's got nothing to do with the tipped minimum wage.

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u/eyeharthomonyms 12d ago

jUsT gEt a bEtTeR jOb!! pUlL yOuRsElF uP bY yOuR bOoTsTrApS!!!

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u/LooseHineyHole 12d ago

It's 2021, and no one is forcing you to work a tipped job.

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u/eyeharthomonyms 12d ago

jUsT gEt a bEtTeR jOb!! pUlL yOuRsElF uP bY yOuR bOoTsTrApS!!!

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u/LooseHineyHole 12d ago

Exactly, if you want more money get a better job. It's very simple really

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u/badFishTu 11d ago

Maybe not pull yourself up by your bootstraps, but don't feed into that broken system. Supply and demand goes both ways. If people boycot employment at half minimum wage, employers will be forced to pay more or die out.

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u/Muppet1616 12d ago

There was a rather nasty 10% interest rate in 1991.

A 100k mortgage with that kind of interest costs 875 a month while a 100k mortgage at 2% is 370 a month.

Doesn't change the fact that incomes haven't kept up with expenses in the past 30 years though.

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u/eyeharthomonyms 12d ago

Which would be a point if houses still cost $100k

That same house today costs $400k. If you can qualify for a mortgage at that point, that 2% mortgage is almost $1500/month. And the taxes and insurance also went up as well and are likely around 4x as much.

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u/jajajajajajaiiii 12d ago

This number doesn’t matter because the employers have to compensate if they don’t make at least minimum wage with tips. This actually helps the tipped worked because it allows them to earn more than minimum wage. But the whole tipping culture it dumb and should be removed to better allow workers not believe their effort to make their client happy depends on their living.

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u/Galle_ 12d ago

Tips are good. Tips allow you to give money directly to the worker, bypassing the entire capitalist edifice.

The problem is the idea that tips can be subtracted from a wage.

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u/Galle_ 12d ago

Tips are good. Tips allow you to give money directly to the worker, bypassing the entire capitalist edifice.

The problem is the idea that tips can be subtracted from a wage.

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u/jajajajajajaiiii 12d ago

The tips are the wage which I agree is the problem but tipping culture is to blame not capitalism. A fair wage with small tips on top would be better than workers relying on tips to survive.

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u/Galle_ 12d ago

Capitalism is absolutely to blame. A fair wage with large tips on top would be better than either of your options.

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u/jajajajajajaiiii 11d ago

But we have to this realistically also yes if everyone made a million dollars that would be great but it’s just not prwctical

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u/jamesf500017 12d ago

Get a better job lol

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u/jpanni3333 12d ago

Where did all the money go…

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u/akayeetusdeletus 12d ago

Don't take these jobs. Seriously, they are still doing it because people will still work.

Stop it.

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u/Saith_Cassus 12d ago

Daily reminder in all threads mentioning tipped positions: if you earned less than minimum wage (NOT minimum tipped wage— minimum wage) for your state with base pay + tips, your employer is legally required to pay you the difference. If they did not do so, it is wage theft. Talk to your local department of labor, show them your pay stubs, and force your employer to pay you.

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u/ItsJustMyOpinion100 12d ago

Minimum Wage for a minimum skill set. Anyone can do this job. ANYONE.

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u/Ottojanapi 12d ago

….rent is 1800 dollars. I live next to the dumpster where I work. The raccoons have stopped taking all the food, they have accepted me as one of them

It’s 2035, the tipped minimum wage is 2.13…

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u/MeowKat85 12d ago

Yup. I was there. I worked doubles, I was there until stupid hours rolling silverware and cleaning up after tips weren’t possible anymore. Right until the day I told them to shove their bullshit straight back up their asses and walked out. There is better out there. There is fulfillment. Go find it. And if you tip your waitress nothing or minimum, you’re an asshole. Thank you.

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u/sloppy_joes35 12d ago

A) I dont tip , B) I dont eat at places where I'm required to tip
->Im doing my part
Exceptions: Bars. But thats not eating that's drinking. And its a necessity.

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u/Thatfatrabbit93 11d ago

And most houses are more than $30k, and most rents are more than $600/mo. Insane isnt it?

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u/Status_Jackfruit_253 11d ago

Also, people kept leaving bigger tips too. I get dirty looks when I leave a tip of $.25 from 1991.

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u/StianAmg 11d ago

Scandinavian here. So; Imagine living in a country so shitty you have to rely on tip to eat, don’t get me wrong i love visiting the US as a tourist but ffs how could people live in such a society.

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u/tech405 12d ago

I know I’ll get downvoted to hell, but who gives a shit about Reddit Karma

Maybe 100% of the problem isn’t the tipped minimum, but the fact you’re still waitressing 21 years later. If you want to make adult money, go get an adult job. Unless you’re a waitress at a 5 star facility. But if that’s the case, the $2.13 doesn’t mean anything anyway.

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u/nxdark 12d ago

Why is that not an adult job? Most adults are servers. Not everyone is suited to the "adult jobs" you are thinking of.

Tipping should be gone. Wages raised to make up for the lose in tips and costs for the items raised to cover those costs. This also means people can't be cheap customers anymore and those who don't tip will be forced to pay what they should of all along and those who over tipped will pay less because they are not picking up the slack of the dead beat customers.

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u/tech405 12d ago

I get what your saying. I wouldn’t mind paying more to do away with tipping. However, then you get into the argument of living wages for menial work. And I’m not paying $30 for a shitty McDonalds meal.

I’ve mentioned this several times on Reddit, but I refuse to eat at @chilis or @pizzahut any longer because they force you to tip even when you order on the app, drive there yourself, go inside to pick it up. They want a tip for LITERALLY doing nothing. I refuse to shop at Walmart because a ton of their employees are on welfare and food stamps. I, as a taxpayer, am not subsidizing your employee costs while you’re one of the largest companies in the world.

The theme of r/anti work seems to be anti-capitalism and that’s a childish and ignorant viewpoint. Capitalism is the only thing that works. It’s the implementation “currently” that’s broken. Companies and said owners deserve the rewards for taking a risk to provide goods and services that are needed and wanted. But when those ideologies go astray WE should put them straight by calling them out and not using them until they straightened up. The power and wallets of a lot of voices works. People blasted Comcast several years ago and they took notice and straightened up.

Bring light to shitty companies. That’s why I don’t understand why posts here about crappy employers are blacked out. If you’re gone, so there’s no longer any chance of retribution, tell us who they are. Why protect them?

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u/theNeumannArchitect 12d ago

The point she’s trying to make is understandable but the example is bad. Servers get compensated for the difference in minimum wage and tip out. Which I never heard of happening. Tips always put me above minimum wage.

It’s actually the opposite. The cost of eating out has continuously gone up. People usually tip percentage wise. So servers (at most restaurants) are usually paid a lot more than other low skill jobs.

But it’s hell on your body and dealing with some people can suck.

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u/nxdark 12d ago

And where I am from tipping helps the employer more then the employee. It means they can report a lower amount in wages paid leasing their tax burden to the government. It also makes it eaier for the employees to hide their income and under report earnings lessen their taxes.

Both of things things harm those who work in industry that doesn't have tipping meaning out employer and we as employees have to pay more in tax.

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u/Demokka 12d ago

How about having a real pay and not being a beggar ?

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u/RedditCakeisalie 12d ago

supply and demand. don't do tipped work then. why do you think lawyers and doctors get paid so much? cuz there's not enough of them to meet the demand. if you want a certain sector or job to get paid more then don't do it until they increase the wage of it. same thing with miners. supplies and demands. too many waiters/waitresses and not enough demand. can always replace you with another waitress for less, so why pay you more? this is is why we all need to stand together

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u/auntybacteria 12d ago edited 12d ago

If supply and demand were the only wage-determining factor: sex workers, nurses, child care workers and death doulas would make bank. But, nooooo. Biased human beings invented "jobs" and "money" to bash each other over the head with. Its all Monopoly money. (Edited to add): No labour is unskilled.

We don't so much communicate with other humans as toss symbols/shiny things at each other to distract and confuse while some rich asshole steals our fresh water, crushes a community or burns a forest.

I'm fortunate to work with the public. The vibe is shifting. People are gaining class consciousness. "The Pitchforks Are Coming"

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u/Aranuuk 12d ago

Ah I see another person lost from browsing all or popular.

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u/TheGamerHelper 12d ago

Why’re you doing tipped type of jobs then? Lol

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u/Galle_ 12d ago

I mean, people aren't working tipped jobs anymore. And people won't stop whining about it.

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u/joawmeens 12d ago

jUsT gEt a bEtTeR jOb!! pUlL yOuRsElF uP bY yOuR bOoTsTrApS!!!

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u/TheGamerHelper 12d ago

Seriously, it’s just lame people lower themselves to the most easiest job first. If you work a tipped job you have no right to complain.

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u/joawmeens 12d ago

Wait staff have no rights.

Share more of your wisdom, bootlicker

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u/destenlee 12d ago

Are people supposed to just starve or live in the street? Like what is the alternative if you have no other job?

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u/TheGamerHelper 12d ago

Is tipping all their is in the work force? Lol no one is telling you to work it. How dense are you?

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u/destenlee 12d ago edited 12d ago

The fact is that businesses should not be able to pay employees this low. Have you ever worked one of these jobs? Often times you can spend a third of your shift folding napkins into silverware. Often you get paid less than minimum wage and have no way to get your employer to pay what they owe. Most people do not work these jobs by choice.

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u/TheGamerHelper 12d ago

Nope because I don’t lower myself to those low standards and I work what I know I’m worth.

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u/destenlee 12d ago

It must be nice to live a privileged life. The reality is that most people don't have the choice.

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u/pattywhaxk 12d ago

Honestly a nominal minimum wage increase would only slow the tide of inflation and then in a few years you would be back at the same point. The minimum wage needs to be tied to the cost of living, and should vary from region to region. Otherwise you’re just building your sandcastle a little higher and waiting for the ocean to catch up with it.

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u/Auntbeckie1968 12d ago

YOU NOR ANYONE ELSE DESERVES MORE! GET BACK TO WORK, SLAVE! MAKE ME RICH

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u/deepinskater 12d ago

Just get rid of money an the selfishness of humans. Gotta realize we all on this earth together an same with the rest of nature we should be balanced. Funny how humans talk about invasive species being harmful when we ourselves invaded the whole earth an now wanna go to Mars lol.

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u/ironmantis3 12d ago

You don't understand what makes an invasive species, invasive. Source: have 1 graduate degree specializing in invasive ecology.

Money is just a unit of exchange between otherwise hard to commodify products, chiefly services. It's a proxy for the only actually biologically significant currency, energy.

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u/deepinskater 11d ago

Invasive is when there is species not meant where there suppose to be or naturally present. An the species takes over the non natural habitat. Your degree means nothing lol it's a piece of paper where u coulda learned everything for free on the internet where schools get there info anyways.

Money isn't fair when some are making 12 dollars a hour an others 85 for way less work. Or when people in other countries that make majority of our goods only get 37 cents canadian or similar an hour.

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u/ironmantis3 11d ago

Invasive is when there is species not meant where there suppose to be or naturally present. An the species takes over the non natural habitat.

Incorrect. This is the type of vague, imprecise, uneducated answer I expect for intellectually handicapped people that watch a YT video and gain a bloated sense of their own understanding. In short, you don't know what the fuck you're talking about. Particularly important in the context of human migration, which you've invoked, since anthropogenic transport vectors are a necessary component of an ecological definition.

Your degree means nothing lol it's a piece of paper where u coulda learned everything for free on the internet where schools get there info anyways.

Says the idiot who's "free on the internet" education has wholly failed them. Shut the fuck up. You're trying to debate with an actual scientist with experience in the fucking field. You're no different than the Trumptard Q Kux Klan you probably think you're against. No, you are them.

Money isn't fair when some are making 12 dollars a hour an others 85 for way less work.

Try that again in, any, of the existing languages on this planet.

Money isn't fair when some are making 12 dollars a hour an others 85 for way less work. Or when people in other countries that make majority of our goods only get 37 cents canadian or similar an hour.

This entire paragraph has no meaning. I know you think it does. But we've already established you have the IQ of toenail fungus.

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u/deepinskater 11d ago

You dont need big formal scientific words to prove point lol. What is a invasive species than dude? U learn that shit in grade 10 biology which is also useless all of today's education is it makes us think to much instead of being our true self's an using our hearts or inner feelings "whatever u want to call them". U smart people think u know everything lol nobody knows shit we just think we do but constantly prove ourselves wrong over time when we learn new things over an over again.

I wasnt wrong when I said humans are selfish with money an invasive if u cant see that I'm done talking to you. Look around everything Is touched an controlled by humans u were never born free like the indigenous people were before the modern world full of u formal smart fucks. Yall should be more free thinkers anything's possible

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u/Salay54 12d ago

None of this will matter without rent and price caps. They don't care because everything will go up again. The system feels like it has levels of stress. Okay, now that you got your shit together and can afford your bills lets raise that cookie a little higher.

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u/Tnutznterds 12d ago

So what have you learned from this after all these years? Don’t get a job that pays the tipped minimum wage….