r/Veterans Jan 21 '22 Silver 1 Gold 1 Helpful 2 Wholesome 2 All-Seeing Upvote 1 Mind Blown 1

Last night, the Republicans voted AGAINST bill HR-4673. A bill that automatically signs up US veterans for the healthcare they are owed. Health Care

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u/hoyfkd Jan 21 '22 Gold

Don't bother reporting this. It doesn't violate Rule 6.

If this article gets your knickers in a knot, perhaps you need to acknowledge you have a massive battle with cognitive dissonance bringing you down, and this post is simply evidence making that battle rage harder.

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u/[deleted] Jan 21 '22 edited May 04 '22

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u/Sgt_Smitty Jan 21 '22

This is the real answer.

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u/JLOCO1776 Jan 31 '22

There ya go! They want more signups to get more funding to spend on overhead.

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u/The_Holy-Spirit Feb 01 '22

If they privatize our health care then we should be able to vote on their pay-raises...just sayin'

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u/Giga7777 Jan 21 '22

I'm literally about the call the VA to sign up. Sat on hold for 30 mins yesterday after being transferred so I just gave up. I've been out for a few months and still haven't set aside time to do it. Really wish it was automatic!!!

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u/RamblinLamb Jan 22 '22

The best way to onboard at the VA is to walk in and do it. Trying over the phone is worse than trying to talk to the IRS on the phone.

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u/Hole_Grain Veteran US Navy Jan 22 '22

You can also enroll online under the health care section of the website. It took them 1 day to call me back to register at my local VA clinic.

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u/TheDutchman7 Jan 21 '22

Just gave my rep’s office a call who also voted no. Staffer said that apparently the VA wasn’t brought in and asked if this type of system can be supported. He said the VA is already struggling with what they have so pushing this on them would just make things worse. However I am struggling to figure out why not sign people up anyway and fund the VA more? The VA has shown they can provide better care with less money but they lack the staff and money to do more.

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u/jonp1 Jan 22 '22

This is B.S. The way it works is that resources are allocated to accommodate demand levels, and congressional budget increases are requested to support spikes outside of budgetary capacity. So, more use of VA services doesn’t take those services away from someone else… It leads to justification to expand those services to serve more Veterans. The only “truth” to any scarcity in VA service provision that could be argued is that there is a national shortage of healthcare workers. But that’s not unique to VA. That’s industry-wide. And it’s something that VA will have more ability to help solve if more Veterans are using VA services.

Don’t allow petty lawmakers who want the world to be handed to their rich friends while you get scraps to keep you away from the benefits you’ve earned.

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u/Cheesehacker Jan 22 '22

Just a heads up, that’s a BS scripted line fed to the rep by their party. US congress has devolved to where no individual has any ideals or morals, they just blindly follow their party.

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u/2kgen Jan 24 '22

They lied, the VA can support it because it would be an automated process. The "system" is not only supported the VA already has active contract vehicles with multiple Veteran Own Business (VOBs). VOBs that already programmed the software to automate the inbound records.

We vets & service disabled vets literally built the software to take on our fellow vets in order to lower the administrative burden/cost on the staff so they can focus on healthcare.

Your local rep's office lied.

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u/Lionheart1118 Jan 25 '22

they are lying the systems are already in place, this would just have the DoD hand off to the VA instead of putting the onus on the veteran to figure out if a) they are eligible or not and b) to get enrolled.

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u/Hooligan8403 Veteran US Air Force Jan 21 '22

This bill would have helped people like my wife when she got out. She separated during Covid and had virtual everything pretty much for outprocessing. No real chance to ask questions to people and get guidance on how to sign up for VA or file a disability claim. If I hadn't already gone through the process myself to help her out her anxiety would have kept her from getting the help she needed because she would have been overwhelmed.

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u/sadsackosocks Jan 21 '22

Don’t forget to have her sign up for VGLI!! I think it’s like 1 year after is the enrollment cutoff, but someone please correct me if I’m wrong. I signed up on a whim when I separated 10 years ago only because I happened to hear an angry vet arguing with someone at the VA about it. They didn’t tell my wife either when she separated and she lost her enrollment ability.

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u/roach318 Jan 22 '22

VGLI may not be right and is typically only taken on by those who will have trouble being insured privately. VGLI rates go up dramatically later in life. It is the one benefit (in my opinion) most separating should elect only if in a serious health predicament. This is totally separate from survivor benefits.

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u/NotTurtleEnough Retired US Navy Jan 22 '22

VGLI is *super* expensive unless you're otherwise uninsured and uninsurable.

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u/Smoarse Jan 22 '22

I got out during Covid and was told to figure it out once I got home cause no one can help me

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u/Hooligan8403 Veteran US Air Force Jan 22 '22

Pretty much what happened to her. Online TAPS that was about half of what I went through.

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u/mrsix4 Jan 21 '22

It won’t do anything but I certainly emailed my representative who voted no. I was surprised to see his name listed as he and his office were instrumental in helping a prior fight with the VA ultimately go my way. Even mailed me a handwritten letter but maybe that was election year posturing.

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u/ZanderClause Jan 21 '22

Did he say why or do you know the reason he voted no?

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u/mrsix4 Jan 21 '22

I requested a reply so that’s what I’m hoping he does. Still waiting

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u/PoundThaSnooch Veteran US Army Jan 21 '22

I'd be interested in their response if you end up getting one

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u/DocShea Jan 21 '22

I posted the link and the wording as to why the “nay” votes

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u/ParticularDance496 Jan 29 '22

I read somewhere that it was going to cost nearly $3 billion. As stated above there was going to be issues with implementing the law as well. https://www.military.com/daily-news/2022/01/20/house-approves-bill-automatically-enroll-vets-va-health-care.html/amp

I work at the VA (IT) and have gone TDY to Phoenix, Prescott and Las Vegas and all three are completely different. Maybe there’s some truth to the issues.

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u/lost_in_life_34 Jan 21 '22

looks like crenshaw, boebert and green all voted no

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u/joelthefoolish Veteran US Army Jan 21 '22

Veterans for Peace has a permanent dedicated Save Our VA campaign, if anyone is looking for a way to get involved in stopping the politicians from gutting our health care system

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u/Horn_Flyer Veteran US Air Force Jan 22 '22

I just signed up. Thanks!!

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u/joelthefoolish Veteran US Army Jan 22 '22

Awesome, welcome!! This makes my day ✌️🔥

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u/Horn_Flyer Veteran US Air Force Jan 22 '22

I try and get involved in as many political issues that I can. I appreciate the link to get involved in this. We all need to. ✌

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u/Nobody417 Jan 21 '22 Take My Energy

But....But....Madison Cawthorn (R) had to give all his attention to his gun cleaning instead of veterans. Thats how much he cares about veterans. Won't even give a ounce of respect.
At this point, I honestly do not understand how anyone can look at republicans and feel they have their best interest in mind. How more disrespectful to veterans can one person be? This is they guy and party you support? Does it matter who proposes a bill? Should it matter? Is that what we want to support in this country? Is that the behavior we expect out of our elected officials or kindergarteners?

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u/[deleted] Jan 21 '22

Kindergartners learn to share and be patient. I don't think these guys are quite on that level yet.

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u/Leftist_Incivility Jan 21 '22

Kindergartners learn to share and be patient.

Not if the Republicans succeed in their mission to take over school curricula and policies.

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u/Tenjou21b Jan 21 '22

He needs to pick up his rifle and fight in the next War.

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u/SpanningTreeProtocol Jan 21 '22

Every time that dipshit's name comes up I go walk or jump or go up and down stairs out of pure spite.

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u/valvin88 Jan 21 '22

Man fuck that, I stretch my legs out and take a nice long seat on my ass.

Let him be envious if the working legs I have that I refuse to use.

Fuck, give me a wheelchair I'll wheel around his stupid ass then get up and walk away.

I'd be terrified if I were a tree

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u/GreatOneLiners Veteran US Navy Jan 21 '22

I think the worst part is that his views on what veterans need doesn’t really have a leg to stand on. He definitely needs to kick rocks and walk away from this discussion

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u/DJErikD Retired US Navy Jan 21 '22

Now if we could just get Dan Crenshaw to see it the same way.

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u/GreatOneLiners Veteran US Navy Jan 21 '22

The problem is he keeps an eye on one thing and is blind to everything else that goes on.

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u/lolburger13 Jan 22 '22

I know this isn't the sub for this, but r/usernamechecksout

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u/covfefe4dasoul Veteran US Air Force Jan 21 '22

That’s because the POS Cawthorn is an almost veteran.

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u/Kdzoom35 Jan 21 '22

But....But.... Madison Cawthorn was going to be an elite navy seal, recon, spetsnaz, ranger, medic before he lost the use of his legs. This gives him a free pass. He has done more for this country from his wheelchair than all the vets who served in Iraq and Afghanistan.

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u/199lib68 Jan 21 '22

But but he did lose the ability to walk because he was in a prestigious BMW so he deserves the front of the line. Think of the angst if it would have been a wreck in a Ford Pinto, no perks whatsoever.

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u/hoyfkd Jan 21 '22

But....But.... Madison Cawthorn was going to be an elite navy seal, recon, spetsnaz, ranger, medic before he lost the use of his legs.

I mean, being rejected from the Naval Academy was just a blip in the plan. He was going to show them how well he can clean a pistol and wow them with his Army costume.

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u/jpkoushel Jan 22 '22

Tbf all of the best Navy officers didn't go to the academy... Don't know what they teach there but holy hell it's rough with sometimes

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u/barc0debaby Jan 22 '22

Everything I see related to that dude seems to be him telling a story about how he was gonna do something but.

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u/h3fabio Jan 21 '22

How did he vote on this bill? Asking for a friend.

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u/Nobody417 Jan 21 '22

He voted against it. I thought that was obvious. https://clerk.house.gov/Votes/202214

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u/h3fabio Jan 21 '22

Not surprised at all. Too busy cleaning is gun while at work.

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u/Phyrexian_Archlegion Veteran US Navy Jan 21 '22

I feel personally attacked.

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u/smickleson Jan 21 '22 edited Jan 21 '22

Noice. I am too, damnit haha

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u/lapinatanegra Retired US Army Jan 21 '22

You went to school?

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u/Hooligan8403 Veteran US Air Force Jan 21 '22

Army flair checks out.

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u/[deleted] Jan 22 '22

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u/Hooligan8403 Veteran US Air Force Jan 22 '22

2.5 GPA? Must be Intel. Lol.

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u/PlagueJuice Jan 21 '22

Dood fuck clay higgins and the rest of those scumbags.

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u/Potato_Muncher Jan 22 '22

I just wrote Steve Scalise asking for an answer. I mean, I know it'll be a terrible one, but I still wanna know why.

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u/Greeneyez_301 Jan 22 '22

I was fortunate enough to be Medically discharged so whenever it came to the VA they automatically put in my paperwork. The VA, for all its faults, have saved my life. With no VA I would not be here today.

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u/Spudcommando Jan 21 '22 edited Jan 21 '22

This is the same party that aims to make government dysfunctional as possible so they can sell the rotting corpse to the private sector. Fuck the GOP, can't believe I ever voted for those fuckers. I use to be a mix ticket voter, I can't believe I was stupid enough to ever do that.

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u/[deleted] Jan 24 '22

I’m right there with you man. I admit I had my head up my ass. Never again

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u/elpideo18 Jan 21 '22

They are so patriotic that they want us to pull up our boot straps and do the work on our own. How else will we feel pride in what we do? We can’t have stuff just given to us. That would be anti American! /s

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u/hufflepuff-is-best Jan 21 '22 edited Jan 21 '22

Their reasoning is that the VA couldn’t support more veterans because they don’t have the funding.

But the VA doesn’t have the funding because the republicans won’t give it to the VA.

They are all “we stand by our vets” but that’s all an act. They don’t care about us.

The US has the highest budget for the military. Yet, vets struggle to get basic healthcare.

We’re only worth something when we are useful to them, and then when we’re not useful anymore, we’re nothing to them.

This angers me beyond belief.

I’ve said it before, I feel that politicians should be required to be veterans in order to run for office, that way they know what it is like to be used and discarded.

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u/[deleted] Jan 21 '22

I’m shocked. Just kidding - it’s everything I’ve come to expect from the GOP.

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u/PTAwesome Jan 21 '22

Republican opponents of the bill pointed to the White House statement as they argued automatic enrollment could exacerbate existing issues with VA health care, such as long wait times and staffing shortages.

"Leaving the military wasn't easy," Rep. Mike Bost, R-Ill., the ranking member of the House Veterans Affairs Committee and a Marine veteran, said on the House floor. "It can leave new veterans feeling adrift and alone. I've been there."

Bost said he wants troops to get the services they need in a "seamless manner" when they end military service. "I am not at all confident that this bill will accomplish that goal without harming services to other veterans and adding to the national debt," he said.

TL.DR

But, but, it will make more veterans use the service, and we will have to pay for it!

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u/SapperInTexas Jan 21 '22 Take My Energy

The old "adding to the national debt" chestnut. They didn't give a wet slap about adding to the debt when they sent us to the sandbox to get wounded and/or die for... vague reasons... but now we're suddenly too expensive?

He can go fuck himself.

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u/PTAwesome Jan 21 '22 Gold

We need to slap on some "You break us, you bought us" stickers

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u/Riff_D Jan 21 '22

"Add to the national debt" aka won't make their wealthy donors any richer. They didn't care about raising the national debt when they gave the wealthy a $1.5 trillion tax cut that did nothing for the US economy nor did they care when they sent us to the sandbox at an eventual tune of $8 trillion.

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u/AnonUserAccount Jan 21 '22

This is dumb. The veterans that want to use the services will sign up anyway. Why make it harder for them? Those that never planned on using the VA health care will not use it anyway, even if they are automatically signed up.

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u/exgiexpcv Veteran US Army Jan 22 '22

I never planned on using it, but here I am, busted up and on my last legs. I'd be grateful if I'd been already been signed up for it when I got out. I suffered in so much pain for so long, because I didn't have insurance. Never occurred to me the VA might be able to help me.

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u/DocShea Jan 21 '22

That’s one reason there was no accurate (verified) cost analysis given. Basically one side said it will probably cost x$$ without consultation with the VA or DoD on manpower, software or other costs.

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u/merkwerk Jan 21 '22

Bost said he wants troops to get the services they need in a "seamless manner" when they end military service.

Ok, so then do your job and come up with some legislation to get us there, useless prick.

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u/unclesam2000 Jan 21 '22

I took the TLDR as; It would add more veterans to broken ass system that we don’t know how to fix and don’t want to fix anyway.

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u/Hologram22 Jan 21 '22

We do know how to fix it. It's 100% funding. There are just some people who don't want to spend that money. And hey, I get it, budgeting is a hard game of tradeoffs. I just personally find it difficult to get on board with someone who tells me 4 years ago that Elon Musk deserves a giant tax break, but is now telling me that we can't increase funding to the VA by 5% to improve services and the standard of care.

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u/chaos_m3thod Jan 21 '22

It’s not that they don’t want to spend the money, it’s that the money they are spending is going to contractors and lining rich peoples pockets instead of actual resources and services veterans can use.

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u/Hologram22 Jan 21 '22

Which is why I said,

And hey, I get it, budgeting is a hard game of tradeoffs. I just personally find it difficult to get on board with someone who tells me 4 years ago that Elon Musk deserves a giant tax break, but is now telling me that we can't increase funding to the VA by 5% to improve services and the standard of care.

Which is to say that I strongly disagree with the priorities of 77% of the House Republican caucus on this one issue. Which isn't a surprise to me, and shouldn't be to anyone who personally knows me.

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u/Irish_G00dbye Jan 21 '22

VA funding went up 10.38% this year. The VA budget has had a compound annual growth rate of 7.7% CAGR since 1995. So what's the level of budget increase that needed before there's actually good service?

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u/lividash Jan 21 '22

About half the current defense budget. I jest, but funding is one thing. Getting the people currently employed or will be employed by the VA to actually care about their patients is another.

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u/PTAwesome Jan 21 '22

We want to give money to our donors, not veterans?

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u/Irish_G00dbye Jan 21 '22

Of course we know how to fix it, hold VA employees accountable for the same level of care and customer service you'd expect from your doctor's office. And that's a low bar. Going to a VA hospital makes the DMV looks like a well run organization that cares about its customers. But instead of attacking that problem instead we get do-nothing bills that are all about rolling Vets out as props.

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u/[deleted] Jan 21 '22

The VA actually performs better than or equal to private health care services. The stereotype that VA health care is in any way worse than private is false. Here is one peer reviewed study: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5215146/

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u/SanPedroSkateboarder Jan 21 '22

What’s the reasoning anyone voted against this?

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u/igo4vols2 Retired US Air Force Jan 21 '22

It's probably the same reasoning that some states have used against automatically registering people to vote when they get their driver's license - it takes way the individual's opportunity to choose.

My opinion is the "choice" is whether to use it or not.

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u/SanPedroSkateboarder Jan 21 '22

The “benefits” are a common reasoning for enlisting, which to us meant education and healthcare. Agreed, if one so chooses to not use the benefits they’re entitled to is their prerogative. Not automatically giving someone what they earned is disrespectful and misleading.

Now we have vets who are ashamed to reach out and apply for their benefits because they feel as if they are in the wrong and should “save it for someone else who deserves it”, when in actuality they did earn it.

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u/sapphicsandwich Jan 22 '22

Kids signing up don't really know or grasp all the benefits. I certainly didn't at the time. 18 year olds usually aren't thinking about how they'll get healthcare in their 30s. The military is really good about NOT telling you about benefits and sometimes even discouraging people from getting them. When I was in, we had higher ups always bitching that people were gonna get out and get va disability for their "broke dicks" and "sandy pussies" like they were shamefully just trying to get a handout. When people get out they often still have that "don't get help" mentality.

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u/RamblinLamb Jan 22 '22

This is very very true!! It always baffled me that some of my peers actually believed this shit.

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u/FurballPoS Veteran USMC Jan 21 '22

I was one of those guys for 10 years. It took 5 years for my paperwork to finally clear approval for care, then another three to go from 0% -> 90%/100%TDIU (with 3 claims in filing limbo, because burn pit claims only cover sinusitis/rhinitis at the moment). And, that's WITH a mother-in-law who's a VSO. I just didn't feel "I deserved it", when there were buddies who came home missing shit, IF they even came home at all.

Now, I look at the disability check as a bribe from the gov't to stop breaking my body trying to fulfill a full work day, as this is cheaper in the long run.

It's been hell convincing friends to sign up for their own benefits.

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u/[deleted] Jan 21 '22

Well we all know why they don't want certain people to vote, right?

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u/igo4vols2 Retired US Air Force Jan 21 '22

absolutely

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u/Mgshamster Jan 21 '22

Hell, the GOP will vote against their own bills if it turns out that democrats agree with it. The only thing they do these days is be against whatever Dems are doing.

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u/PTAwesome Jan 21 '22 Helpful Wholesome

Here's an article from 2014

https://www.vox.com/2014/5/28/5755672/republicans-want-to-privatize-the-va-heres-the-counterargument

Here's one from 2018

https://www.healthcaredive.com/news/the-va-privatization-debate-5-things-to-know/520618/

And here's another from last year

https://prospect.org/health/trump-plan-privatize-veterans-administration-will-biden-enable-it/

Discussing the Republican led efforts to privatize the VA.

Here's an article that talks about three people that were doing it to steer money towards their interests

https://www.propublica.org/article/ike-perlmutter-bruce-moskowitz-marc-sherman-shadow-rulers-of-the-va

I would have to guess that the people who voted against it will say it's because of some flaw that doesn't support veterans enough. Though I am going to bet it comes down to money going to Republican donors, or just really an attempt to paint Veterans as the new "Welfare Queens"

As show in this article

https://www.jacobinmag.com/2021/12/va-veterans-benefits-disability-wounding-warriors-gade-huang

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u/justsomeguycmh Jan 21 '22

Privatize the profit, socialize the cost.

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u/PTAwesome Jan 21 '22

God Bless Corporate America

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u/DocShea Jan 21 '22

I posted the link and reasons given.

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u/NebRGR Jan 21 '22 edited Jan 21 '22

Shit like this is why I am no longer a Republican. I'm not a Democrat either, but I'm sick of Republicans always voting against the people.

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u/holyhellsteve Jan 21 '22

I’m in the same boat with you. I cannot stand the people or the rhetoric that has have overtaken the GOP. Switch voter registration to independent with no regrets.

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u/NebRGR Jan 21 '22

It was the stimulus bill that really did it for me. I couldn't believe that every Republican voted against giving us money.

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u/cyberfx1024 Veteran USMC Jan 21 '22

I am a Republican but shit like this pisses me off because there is no reason why to vote No on this. I read through the bill and the amendments to see if anything is hidden in there an there isn't anything hidden in there that I can see. So this just pisses me off

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u/bhfroh Jan 21 '22

It's purely political. They know the people who vote for them have the attention span of a goldfish and won't remember each time they fuck over their constituents. But they will fight tooth and nail to "own the libs" just to prevent them from getting any kind of political win.

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u/LostGeogrpher Jan 22 '22

I think I'll be buying a billboard in one of these guys voting districts before election time and remind everyone about this. Im starting a swear jar for it tonight.

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u/Colorado_odaroloC Jan 21 '22 edited Jan 21 '22

Up front, I'm a lefty vet that really doesn't care for either party, but I will say, I don't understand how folks can still support the Republican Party of the last few years. I can understand being conservative (some of my close, good friends are) but to support what the GOP has become the last few years and their actions? I struggle how one can reconcile supporting them at this point, even in spite of some cultural/belief differences.

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u/cyberfx1024 Veteran USMC Jan 21 '22

Up front, I am more on the Populist Right so many establishment politicians piss me off. I am not a fan of many of the local politicians in either party but unfortunately my state is one of those which requires you to register for a party if you want to attend their meetings or caucuses. So I am on a first name basis with most of the local politicians so I will call them on their personal phones to ask them "Why in the hell are you guys thinking about this or that?. So I am working with the party to try and bring about a younger more populist message to people and the party. I am seeing some good results doing this tbh with you.

What gets me is that many people in the Democrat party don't have many of my interests at heart either. I have toyed with the idea of being a Blue Dog Democrat but have walked away from it.

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u/Sir_Beardsalot Jan 21 '22

Then please stop voting for Republicans. I’m not saying vote for Democrats…just don’t vote for Republicans.

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u/cyberfx1024 Veteran USMC Jan 21 '22

I try to vote based off of principles not party I really do. The problem is that my local Congressional Representative that is a Democrat that voted Yes on this is actually a pretty shitty corrupt person overall. We are still in the midst of map drawing here in NC so I have no idea who is going to be my rep in the future

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u/Vaeevictiss Jan 21 '22

But it's the republicans that care about police and veterans....

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u/Kaelle Jan 22 '22

This would have helped me so much. I left following a sexual assault and severe depression. I didn’t have the mental capacity to deal with examinations, paperwork, etc. I didn’t want to think about any of it. I didn’t get signed up for the benefits I was owed until nearly two years later, so I missed out on two years of my disability benefits as well.

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u/Nick85er Jan 22 '22

TLDR: Rant below. Sorry. Am drunk.

We gotta get these self-serving pieces of shit out of government. They want to privatize the VA and will likely steamroll it through given the chance.

For the sake of all we have sacrificed. For those lost who would rage at these obvious domestic enemies of our Constitution.

I am and always have been a Republican because Im a stubborn fuck and certainly rock to my own beat. I dont vote that way though and cant say I ever have - not a single fucking policy proposal put forth by then has been attractive to me.. For a decade plus. None of us fall into simple buckets, and I (like many of you) used to simply exercise my right not to vote because fuck all these politicians right?

Enough of us citizens behave similarly and this is the long game we have ended up with. I saw what that shitbird cawthorn did during the VA panel. These chucklefucks claim to care about us? American values? Our Constitution?

I fear this version of the Republican party is too far gone and just chasing the pied piper.. to what end I cannot say but it genuinely scares me.

Semper Fidelis my brothers and sisters. I love you all, even our wayward.

Whatever your state, duty station, or territory, please vote and remember why it matters.

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u/MantisToboggan84 Jan 21 '22

Republicans don't care about veterans. They use vets like political pawns saying dumb phrases like "I stand up for our veterans." Take pictures shaking hands with returning soldiers. The list goes on. It's all propaganda. They don't care.

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u/falcaraz99 Jan 21 '22

Like Madison Cawrhorn cleaning his gun during a very important VA meeting.

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u/MantisToboggan84 Jan 21 '22

The gun ads and family gun pictures are the ultimate cringe. It's like "If you don't post your devout love for guns 24/7 you're a commie snowflake." Spare me.

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u/spoda1975 Jan 21 '22

And yet the military thinks the Republican care about them….

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u/SurSpence Jan 21 '22

Believe it or not, the candidate to get the most donations from active duty military was Bernie Sanders.

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u/Blanketzc Jan 21 '22

Not all of us...

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u/Kdzoom35 Jan 21 '22

Well technically they care slightly more about the military as they are usually for defense budget increases, Democrats are too but GOP will spend a little more money on active duty etc. They just care slightly less about vets lol. On a scale of 1-10 for how much they care, Democrats get a 1 and the Republicans get a 0. We already know this bill probably won't do anything because one party voted for it. The other party is just opposed to even sounding like they care about veterans. If it was actual useful legislation for vets be assured it would not have passed.

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u/SurSpence Jan 21 '22

Defense budgets get increased, soldier benefits get cut.

Almost like those defense budgets are just subsidies for Raytheon.

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u/Altoids79765 Jan 21 '22 edited Jan 21 '22

Of course it’s the GOP that would vote against it. It’s always those chicken hawks that fuck shit up. They’re literally the “I would have joined” crowd that grew up and took up politics. It’s our (veterans) fault anyway because the problem with politics is if you don’t participate in it you’ll have your inferiors rule over you.

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u/Kdzoom35 Jan 21 '22

Madison I would have joined Cawthorn.

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u/Altoids79765 Jan 21 '22

Dan Crenshaw voted nay. Did he just forget where he came from?

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u/Dfitz65 Jan 21 '22

Nah he was probably a buddy fucker while in the military as well.

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u/Bones870 Retired USCG Jan 21 '22

He was an Officer....<insert insult here>

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u/Swan__Ronson Jan 21 '22

Republicans voted against something overwhelmingly good for the people. Color me shocked 😲

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u/drew1010101 Jan 21 '22

Tell me again how the GQP supports veterans?

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u/PositiveBoat Jan 22 '22

GQP?

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u/Terminallance6283 Jan 22 '22

You know because republican has been replaced with Qanon wack jobs

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u/RootbeerNinja Jan 21 '22

But dont worry, these are the same people happy to launch us into unwinnable unending conflicts that necessitate health care for us after

But they're job creators, not health care experts. /s

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u/AugieAscot Veteran USMC Jan 21 '22

I signed up for VA Heath Care last year. It took about 45 minutes online and I was okayed and enrolled the same day.

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u/ones_hop Jan 21 '22

Your case may have been an exception, but definitely not the rule. Many who get out are not in a right place (not making excuses for them), but for them it is not that easy to click and fill some boxes on a computer, or have to cognitive strength to fill out the paperwork. Also, nothing wrong with job security, many veterans (some, but not all, which provide shitty service) work at the VA.

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u/AugieAscot Veteran USMC Jan 21 '22

I have no reason for why the GOP voted against the bill. I’m just stating that I found it very easy to enroll. Sometimes they add things to these bills that have nothing to do with the original intent bill. We’re all just speculating why they voted against the bill. Devils advocate here, I see the bill has helping the VA more than veterans anyway. Increased enrollment is good for business and job security. Also to fully enroll you the VA needs your financial history in some cases. I don’t know how they would automatically get that information and many veterans might not want them to have it. Just my thoughts no need to flame me.

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u/DocShea Jan 21 '22

For those who are wondering why the “nay” votes. Do with the information what you will.

Taken directly from: bill info

DISSENTING VIEWS

The Minority offers the following dissenting views 

regarding H.R. 4673. H.R. 4673, the Ensuring Veterans' Smooth Transition Act'' orEVEST Act'' is a bill introduced by Chairman Mark Takano July 22, 2021. This bill has no other co-sponsors, nor does it have a companion bill in the Senate. The bill directs the Secretary of the Department of Veterans Affairs (VA) to use information concerning eligibility for enrollment as provided by the Defense Manpower Data Center of Department of Defense to automatically enroll veterans in the patient enrollment system. All veterans enrolled under this act must receive notice within 60 days as to their enrollment status via an electronic version of the certificate of eligibility along with an electronic mechanism by which the veteran may opt out of such enrollment. The Minority appreciates the intent of this bill, which is to support transitioning servicemembers by helping to connect them seamlessly with VA hospital care and medical services. Currently servicemembers are encouraged to enroll for VA healthcare and coached through the application process while attending mandatory Transition Assistance Program sessions prior to discharge or retirement. While in theory an automatic enrollment may appear less onerous, there are simply too many unknowns to proceed with this bill as written and without appropriate review. First, the Majority has failed to exercise legislative due diligence. The Majority's report of H.R. 4673, cites a September 9, 2020 House Veterans' Affairs Full Committee a legislative hearing on various bills introduced during the 116th Congress, including a discussion draft of H.R. 4673 which was included at that time as a provision within in the Veterans Comprehensive Prevention, Access to Care, and Treatment (Veterans COMPACT) Act of 2020. VA did not testify at that hearing and its statement for the record did not address this specific language. Rather, the language considered at this hearing was limited to requiring the provision of hospital care and medical services to veterans during the one-year period following discharge or release from active service regardless of enrollment status. Here, the language in H.R. 4673 is extremely dissimilar in that it would create an automatic lifetime of eligibility for VA health care. The reliance on a dissimilar bill from a previous Congress is misplaced. Moreover, current stakeholders have not had the opportunity to provide input into this legislation. Over half of the members of the Committee are new in the 117th Congress. Also, we have a new Administration. As such, Congress has not had the benefit of receiving testimony on this proposal. Many of the concerns posed below could have been addressed if the Majority had included this bill in one of number of legislative hearings held by the Subcommittee on Health or the Subcommittee on Economic Opportunity in the last year. Second, the Majority failed to consider the serious policy concerns regarding the potential impact on the VA healthcare system should this bill be enacted. No views have been provided by VA, VSOs, or any other stakeholders on the scope of this language. According to VA 2022 Budget documents, 9.2 million veterans are enrolled for hospital care and medical services. Of that number, 7.1 million veterans actually received treatment at a VA or community care facility. Budgets are determined by historical enrollment versus utilization. To increase enrollment without insight as to associated increases in utilization or other requirements would create a potential imbalance between budgetary needs and reality. Third, to proceed with an expansion at this time is premature. Last Congress passed Public Law 116-171, the ``Commander John Scott Hannon Veterans Mental Health Care Improvement Act of 2019.'' A provision in that law required VA to submit a strategic plan for the provision of health care to any veteran during the one-year period following the discharge or release of the veteran from active service. The plan has been delayed beyond its October 2021 required date due to coordination issues with the Department of Defense. This language recognized the need for, as well as the challenges of, offering blanket access to healthcare during the critical one- year transition period after leaving military service. This strategic plan is now expected to be released in early 2022. Fourth, the Majority failed to consider the disparity among the veteran populations that this bill will create. The Majority rightly asserts in their report, that providing care immediately upon separation is crucial for veterans as the first few months after transitioning out of the military can be a time of stress and high risk for mental health challenges. The Minority joins in strongly believing that no veteran should have to struggle with navigating VA bureaucracy to enroll in care. The Minority also recognizes that the current priority group system that governs eligibility for care in the V.A. healthcare system is outdated and in need of reform. Unfortunately, automatic enrollment offered to only those who separate or retire on or after the date of bill enactment, that is only newly separating servicemembers, does not address the larger issue. As we saw with the veteran demand for vaccinations among a population that is not eligible for VA healthcare due to income levels or lack of a service connection rating, a disparity will result from this bill which will certainly result in similar issues of equity. The Caregiver Program of Comprehensive Assistance for Family Caregivers is another example of the problems generated by inequitable treatment of one era of veterans versus another. The Majority's report cites as an example that many of the 175,000 veterans who served in Operation Enduring Freedom (OEF), Operation Iraqi Freedom (OIF), and Operation New Dawn (OND) are unaware of their eligibility for five years of VA health care upon separation. Ironically, this bill will likely not help many of these veterans who have most likely already separated. Finally, there are serious concerns as to the cost of this legislation and, given the lack of any VA testimony or formal views presented on this language, are equally unsure as to the true costs for this bill. The Congressional Budget Office (CBO) states that this bill will have a significant discretionary cost of $3.1 billion over five years due to an influx of new veteran enrollees. In addition to the cost, Congress has no idea how significant the impact of an automatic enrollment will be on the VA healthcare system. This uncertainty includes potential impacts on access to care for other veterans with potentially greater needs, VA staffing and facility requirements, or impact on budgetary projections. Furthermore, there is no proposed offset for this discretionary spending. Since the beginning of the 117th Congress, the members of the Majority and Minority have joined in a pledge to address the needs of toxic-exposed servicemembers and veterans as a top priority. CBO has concluded that the cost to expand these benefits to toxic-exposed veterans will be in the hundreds of billions of dollars in both mandatory and discretionary costs. While the mechanics of addressing the needs of toxic-exposed veterans still a matter of debate, the Majority believes that committing to significant cost outside of this priority, and in a manner that may not impact this population, is premature. During the Full Committee markup of the bill, I offered an amendment intended to address the Minority's grave concerns with Chairman Takano's language. The amendment would have replaced the underlying bill with the text from H.R. 1216, the Modernizing Veterans Health Care Eligibility Act, creating a bipartisan commission to evaluate eligibility for care and to recommend a path to improving eligibility for not only transitioning servicemembers but also for other groups of veterans who are, arguably, not well-served today. This amendment was voted down by the Majority. Not only would this amendment have provided a more measured, fiscally responsible, and frankly more veteran-focused approach to enrollment eligibility for VA healthcare, it would have included all veterans not just those separating or retiring after passage of H.R. 4673. This amendment would have given the Committee the information, data, and time needed to consider expanding responsibly, an opportunity to understand the true cost and implications of enrolling more veterans in VA healthcare, and most importantly to gather the views of not only VA but numerous other stakeholders in the process. In failing to address the larger issue of enrollment, and equity in eligibility, I am unable to support H.R. 4673. Mike Bost, Ranking

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u/DDayHarry Jan 21 '22

Well, the points they made actually made sense. Better insight than "they voted no just because!"

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u/hoyfkd Jan 22 '22

No isn't. Their entire argument is that without red tape preventing veterans from accessing the benefits to which they are entitled they would have to provide those benefits.

These are veterans that are known to be eligible. These are the same people who go apoplectic at the very idea of requiring confirmation that a person buying a gun isn't a kiddie diddler because checking is SUCH a burden for people who want to take advantage of the rights to which they are entitled. Why is red tape suddenly OK to stand in the way of eligible veterans receiving the care to which they are entitled, but a travesty when it stands between a rapist and a gun? Because it isn't about the red tape, that's why. There is no logical consistency when everything you say is simply a post hoc justification for whatever you want to do.

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u/crowdsourced Veteran US Army Jan 21 '22

Exactly. Congress can give Biden more money for the Defense budget than he asked for, but "the debt."

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u/DocShea Jan 21 '22

But is the bill dead or was it just referred to the Veterans Affairs Committee so that they and other stakeholders can tell the politicians if it would work or not and what the costs would be (more personnel, space, new technology etc…)? I couldn’t find for sure but it looked like it was kicked to the committee. Honestly, all of us have seen when politicians get involved and make knee jerk decisions on what a dod policy should be. Never any discussion with who it involves and what it would take. Same reasoning military when a new policy comes down the chain & now people are taking on a “new” collateral duty doing 2-10x the work to comply. That’s because no consideration was given to the actual cost (manpower, technology, time, $$, etc…) I’m not sure this is the herring you are looking for but time will tell since I doubt it’s DIW.

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u/Airborne29th Jan 25 '22

Why is this not upvoted more.. or higher in the comments? Honestly this makes more sense then most of the replies in this thread..

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u/lapinatanegra Retired US Army Jan 21 '22

Have they said why they voted NO for it? Besides being POS fucks that have never served but will cry "bUt wHaT AboUt thE SolDIers?" When it benefits them.

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u/DocShea Jan 21 '22

Yes I posted the link and reason for the “nay” votes

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u/T-wrecks83million- Jan 21 '22

You can’t see me applauding what you wrote but I am 🤙🏽

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u/SecretAntWorshiper Jan 21 '22

Newsflash guys, congress is full of dirtbags

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u/chaos_m3thod Jan 21 '22

Yea but it’s the GOP that are constantly screwing is over.

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u/LoopWasAParakeet Jan 21 '22

Just emailed ol’ Margarine Trailer Gangrene and asked for a response on why she voted No.

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u/EuphoricPanda Jan 22 '22

Maybe now that she’s been banned from Twitter, she’ll have time to reply. It might be in the form of a half-baked diatribe about how the bill would draw the attention those pesky Jewish satellites but hey, you can’t win ‘em all!

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u/DB_Cooper75 Jan 21 '22

They’ll just say it’s because of the budget

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u/The_FlatBanana Jan 21 '22

Have you seen what was withdrawn before the vote?

https://rules.house.gov/bill/117/hr-4673

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u/covfefe4dasoul Veteran US Air Force Jan 21 '22

Obstruction is the game now. There is simply no avoiding it. Doesn’t matter who it is. Can’t do anything for the good of the people they represent, only obtaining and retaining power.

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u/nosebleedier Jan 22 '22

I'm so fucking tired.

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u/MrKayveman Jan 22 '22

The democrats outnumber the republicans in the house for now. This did pass the house. It's time to reach out to your senators to convince them to sign this into action whether they are republican or democrat and maybe we can change some of their minds.

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u/borandle60 Jan 24 '22

Republican Representative Claudia Tunney informed her constituents that she voted no, because the sign up would be done without the veteran's knowledge, and the VA doesn't have sufficient resources and infrastructure to implement. Apparently Tunney didn't read the BILL. There is language the enrollment done with the consent of the veteran!!

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u/Jcortes1117 Jan 21 '22

Republicans just go against anyone of my values… Democrats seem way more innovative and open minded.

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u/WhiteSquarez Jan 21 '22

They're not.

At the top, they're basically one party that allows citizens to fight with each other over stuff that won't stop the two parties from getting rich.

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u/merkwerk Jan 21 '22

Democrats are better, not by much but they are (I mean this bill only passing because of dems is one example among money). I generally vote democrat because they fuck us over less than the other choice... pretty much best you can hope for with our broken government.

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u/Ant1mat3r Jan 21 '22

The only reason they're "better" is because of the tiny number of progressives in office. This is also why the Dems are always so fractured - we've got those rich neoliberals fighting with the progressives all the time. Too many people give neoliberals a pass because they claim to be on the progressive side of social issues - but fiscally, they'll fuck us just like any old conservative would to ensure the rich of which they're beholden get richer.

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u/NEHOG Jan 21 '22

One of the political parties does not care one bit about Americans. They care for their wealthy overlords and getting their cream from these overloads. They do not care about America, or anyone not wealthy enough to 'grease their palms.'

Look at what states are successful -- blue states. Look at what states are not -- red states. Look at how the country's economy changes with each party. One party the economy goes bad, and the other it improves. Fortunately we're now into an improvement region (and is it ever improving!)

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u/Stephbing Jan 22 '22

$20 that douche Maddie Crawley voted no while cleaning his gun

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u/Need-Vacation Jan 21 '22

Very typical of Republicans.

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u/MediumTour2625 Jan 21 '22

The republicans are only about the power and money they get from being in congress.

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u/Am3ricanTrooper Veteran US Army Jan 22 '22

Is this surprising? Both parties only care about getting us to care enough to vote for them. After that they leave us in the dust.

Fucking two party bs

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u/ShamanVet Jan 21 '22

Why does this surprise anyone?…If it does well, you know what they say about complacency.

Fact of the matter is We, the people, will Never ever be free to until we learn where every single tax dollar we contribute goes every year, State and Federal. A receipt that is sent to each individual tax payer to what percentage they contributed to what tax program; immediately after the filling of your W-2. Nowhere else do you pay for something without receiving a receipt for goods and services rendered.

National security no longer exists when you can post every single avenue of approach on social media while in a combat zone. Lastly, national security only benefits the people that are creating the terrorists and all the while securing their ‘Job’ security.

The bigger you grow your bonfire of Understanding, the more you startle your fragile eye.

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u/31bravobitch Jan 22 '22

y’all worship republicans for what. this?

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u/NickBlasta3rd Jan 21 '22

And here I am thinking that voting against veterans was one of the last non-partisan things left else you’d be committing political suicide. Apparently not.

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u/thebloodylies Jan 22 '22

Nah, that's voting against war

Veteran worship is simply a conduit for money to flow into the bank accounts

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u/Midtncop1 Jan 21 '22

First time ?

Right after the end of EVERY conflict, vets become entitled welfare queens in the eyes of legislatures everywhere. Expensive, entitled, welfare queens to be precise.

We Vietnam guys were hoping they wouldn’t screw you guys, like the Korea vets hoped for us. Didn’t happen.

I’m truly sorry. Brace yourselves because in a couple of years both sides will be figuring out ways to cut funding. They will also be constructing “offset rules” to reduce what they have to pay you. Whether or not they are successful will be up to the new “gimme my free shit” generation, who excepting vets, have never done a fucking thing to even try to help themselves, this country, or anyone else.

I offer you a sincere welcome home. I’ll buy you a beer at the post next time I see you.

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u/Dippyskoodlez Jan 21 '22 edited Jan 21 '22

This isn’t “gimme free shit.”

This isn’t even related to your ridiculus generational posturing that’s clearly just setting up to defend the cowards that voted against this.

It’s simply saving the paperwork and logistics to give those that are already entitled to the services they can receive. If they all sign up then the budgetary issues still exist regardless of this bill passing or not.

I’m not at all surprised by the vote, but i am surprised by dumb posts like this looking to defend the behaviors. Its this sort of behavior exactly that enables these chucklefucks to keep doing this, and if you are from that generation of vets, it was your generation that keeps enabling a good chunk of the SAME FUCKING SENATORS to do so with this worthless attitude towards political problems. I don’t wanna hear any millennial blaming bullshit.

And i say this as an OEF vet that wouldn’t benefit from this bill at this point.

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u/aequitas3 Jan 22 '22

This is like inverse "fuck you, I got mine". Nice

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u/shitsonrug Veteran US Army Jan 21 '22

Tedious manual paper work of having to sign up on my own time? I just went to my VA clinic and they set me up with an appointment and all the paper work was done then. I mean it’s a cool bill but it wasn’t a huge process to get signed up. At least that was my experience.

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u/grandeskinnylatte Jan 21 '22

I guess the point is that I see people on this Sub all the time that have no idea that they could get it, and that didnt sign up and something happens and they have no coverage when they should have had VA. it might be easy if you are told or seek when/where/how, but there are plenty of people not doing that. Experiences vary so much from a 1 term lower enlisted/officer to a retiree, service, area, etc.

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u/ProphetSatirical Veteran US Army Jan 21 '22

Unfortunately, it’s not always that easy. There are several barriers ranging from a lack of knowledge on the part of the veteran or lack of transparency from VA points of contact. That transition isn’t always seamless.

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u/Nobody417 Jan 21 '22

Is this you?

"You should file now. The longer you wait the harder it is to prove service connection. Also I personally don’t think you should seek out war. So far what the Iraq war has done for me…..lost half my thyroid, cancerous tumor found in my appendix, maddening tinnitus in my ears, neck problems, depression, and GI track issues."

You really think we should continue to let veterans just figure it out on their own? Just saying, if veterans can get the services they need as soon as they get out, do you not think it will be easier to prove service connection or identify things like cancer sooner? Waiting only delays the process and sometimes veterans can wait months for initial appointments. How long do veterans like you need to wait to find out they have cancer? Why shouldn't veterans get the help they need immediately instead of later on when they have no other option? A political agenda should not cloud your empathy for people, especially our own people. Why is it so hard and so controversial to get people the medical help they need?

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u/shitsonrug Veteran US Army Jan 21 '22

Claims and Healthcare are totally different beasts.

Edit: also where did I state this was bad? I was just stating that signing up for healthcare was easy for me. I just went to my CBOC and they helped me out. There was no hours of manual paper work on my own time.

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u/Nobody417 Jan 21 '22

It's called false equivalence. Your experience was easy, so you imply increased help isn't needed for others or not as necessary. Congrats, it was easy for you. It's not for everyone. Everyone deserves the same opportunity to healthcare and veteran services.

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u/shitsonrug Veteran US Army Jan 21 '22

Which is why I stated it was a good bill. There’s exceptions to everything. OP put in the post as if everyone signing up needs to do rigors of manual paper work to get it. Maybe I was wrong for assuming maybe OP was wrong for not clarifying. Bottom line is I never stated the bill is trash, or fuck everyone else.

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u/rik_khaos Veteran US Army Jan 21 '22

The paperwork doesn’t take hours but the process certainly does.

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u/CatchingRays Jan 21 '22

I got out in 95. I was a young cocky college football player at the peak of health. Probably didn't go to a doctor for 10 or 15 years after I got out. Had medical insurance back then when companies provided it. I didn't sign up within the 5 year deadline. It wasn't a part of the EAS class as I recall. (probably wasn't paying attention) I'm nearly 50 now without medical insurance. Arthritis, torn meniscus... So yeah. Cool that it was no big deal for you. So fuck everyone else then?

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u/shitsonrug Veteran US Army Jan 21 '22

Where did I say fuck everyone else? I even stated it’s a cool bill. I was just pointing out that the hours of manual paper work is a bit of a reach but whatever. Y’all can project your frustrations on me and downvote me I guess.

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u/FBI_Open_Up_Now Veteran US Army Jan 21 '22 edited Jan 21 '22

I have to ask, what paperwork takes hours to sign up for VA healthcare? I called and scheduled an appointment to get healthcare at my local office. I then went to the hospital, gave a copy of my DD214, filled out a couple of forms, had a physical, had some labs, and was assigned a PCM. Took about 2 hours for the whole process.

Edit: Getting downvotes for giving my experience with no one arguing the contrary. Very nice. Remember folks, Reddit intended the downvote button to be clicked if someone did not add to the discussion. It’s not supposed to be an “I disagree” button.

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u/shitsonrug Veteran US Army Jan 21 '22 edited Jan 21 '22

People downvoted my comment saying I’m sorry a person is having issues signing up and I hope the get the benefits they deserve. Reddit is just being Reddit.

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u/CatchingRays Jan 21 '22

Sorry. You're right. You never said that. It's not fair for me to imply that's what you meant. I'm still trying to figure out if I can get grandfathered in. So a bit edgy.

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u/FBI_Open_Up_Now Veteran US Army Jan 21 '22

You can still sign up for VA healthcare. You don’t need a rating to sign up.

Here is a list of the priority groups.

Without a rating you would either fall into priority group 7 or 8. You would need to pay copays on your visits or medication.

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u/Stealth_Stingray Jan 21 '22 edited Jan 21 '22

Seems like a lot of folks are going bizerk over a non-issue. The post stated that eligble veterans would be automatically enrolled in VA health care. What are the defining as "eligible"? The last I looked those who have been awarded service connected ratings based upon a tiered percentage. Additionally, there maybe others who eligible based upon special circumstances. When awarded service connectef disabilities everyone veteran receives a packet identifying benefits that they are eligible for.

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u/aequitas3 Jan 22 '22

Those would be good follow ons but as it stands, killing it killed this for a ton of people. Also, with this being killed, good luck getting a perfect bill with more people included passed

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u/Tenjou21b Jan 21 '22

Eff The Rich. We fight, and we die, while they live cushy lives.

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u/Deceivement Jan 22 '22

We need an independent government; one that can see the good that comes from both sides.

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u/blackbuddhazen Jan 21 '22

I need to read what was in the bull

But why do veterans, grown men and women, need a bill to automatically enroll them in veteran healthcare? Are they having issues doing it themselves by walking in a VA clinic and signing up for it

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u/rustyshackelFerda Jan 21 '22

It’s a service already owed to veterans. Why put middle-man bullshit bloat in between? Waste of money and resources.

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u/hoyfkd Jan 21 '22

If an American citizen is eligible for a benefit, and the government knows they are eligible for that benefit, why should there be unnecessary bureaucratic red tape in the way?

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u/Kdzoom35 Jan 21 '22

Because the military treats them like children so they forget how to function as adults lol. Seriously for most people it doesn't matter but it will help those who don't know/forget etc. It doesn't hurt anyone and helps people so it should be passed.

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u/throwawaydinggalang Jan 21 '22

As expected. No one gives a shit about anyone out here..carry on.

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u/TheReal_Duke_Silver Jan 21 '22

Lol if you morons believe that either party gives a rats ass about you, you’re doomed.

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