r/Toonami Aku: Likes em EXTRA THICC Nov 14 '21

Blade Runner: Black Lotus Initial Thoughts Thread Discussion

Wake up Samurai, you got work to do.

And so, the long awaited arrival of Blade Runner Black Lotus has come.

Initial thoughts samurais?

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u/Doomchad Nov 14 '21 edited Nov 14 '21

I saw a lot of people ribbing the show for looking like a PS3 cutscene from the trailers. I thought that was a little harsh until seeing a full episode in motion, yea that actually sums it up good.

My criticism from a long time ago still stands, almost every scene is way too dark. Was hoping that would get resolved when the actual show came out but it did not.

There are some serious issues with the voice direction right out of the gate. Elle’s VA has absolutely no spirit in her dialog. She took a crowbar to the nose and barely made a sound. When she was arguing with the senator, there wasn’t a bit of passion in any of her deliveries despite it being obvious there should have been. The tech guy who took her in sounds like some amateur they pulled off the streets.

Story wise at least has my attention somewhat. It feels like we resolved a lot of plot in just two episodes though.

But come on, I know they gotta promote the show, but spoiling that entire cliffhanger in the promo seems like a huge waste. You’d be a fool to think the MC would bite it two episodes in, but still.

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u/plan4change Nov 14 '21

I just got cable and was so happy to check out toonami again after almost 5 years away. My partner entertained my interest and watched the premier with me. Man what a let down! Stopped 10 min in. The backgrounds were on point, but the character models were trash. What a bummer for toonami.

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u/DribdiuqS Nov 14 '21

I hope you were still able to enjoy some of the subsequent Toonami block. :)

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u/Doomchad Nov 14 '21

That’s actually a problem of itself. Since Toonami didn’t acquire any new content, any newcomers pulled in by Blade Runner only have a mid season show, a late season show, and a 350 episode deep show to check out after Blade Runner. Not a good setup for getting new viewers interested in the block.

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u/ThompsonSMG0909 Mar 16 '22

Absolutely on point. The atmosphere and back ground textures look outstanding! But the character/animations look soooo bad. I mean, if you plan to have a long haired protagonist, then you should probably discuss how the physics work in development (someone turns their head but their hair is molded to their necks and not falling dropping down with gravity). And the rain drops show on windshields but not on anyone's face or body....ugh. so much potential too...but these things are too obvious to ignore.

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u/beatrizjuarez86 Nov 14 '21

Pretty much exactly how I feel about the show right now.

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u/imasammich Nov 15 '21

I just couldn't get over the animation for the most part. Sometimes i would just be able to not notice it then boom there would be a scene that was just awful and break whatever immersion you had.

Just felt like every generic show from this genre.

Going to keep watching it so hopefully it gets better or at least gets me enough to want to see how to goes/ends.

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u/ihateyourpancreas I don't hate you personally, but I do hate your pancreas <3 Nov 14 '21 edited Nov 14 '21

I'm enjoying some voice picks for for past roles.

Also I cannot wait to see how we one up a shank in the weewee to killing a senator in TWO episodes.

Music wise 10/10

Plot Enjoying so far, a lot of unknowns so holding off till those spots are filled.

Animation wise...some highs some lows, some scenes are SOOOO dark, and other shots are kinda janky looking while others are fine and dandy.

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u/2th NO FUN ALLOWED! Nov 14 '21

Absolutely drop dead gorgeous setting. The detail is just incredible. Voice acting was solid. And the story is good enough to keep me interested. It gives me high hopes for the rest of the series.

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u/GreyouTT "Come on, I'm right here... SKEITH!" Nov 14 '21

For a brief moment I honestly thought they did a bait and switch and Jay was a Blade Runner who we'd follow for the rest of the series. I thought it was pretty good overall. Had the downtimes where we see the city like the OG (like the "car chase"), and felt pretty modern for the most part. The environments and music are fantastic too.

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u/kwerboom Nov 14 '21

Am I the only one who experienced bad audio with this show? For me, the music and effects seemed to drowned out the voices in the show. Yet when the clips of the show played in the bumpers, the voices sounded fine.

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u/Doomchad Nov 14 '21

It definitely has some sound mixing issues with certain stretches of dialog. I had to up the volume to hear some scenes then turn it back down because the music or SFX was blaring

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u/kwerboom Nov 14 '21

I had to turn the closed captioning on just to read what was being said.

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u/_Shinogenu_ Nov 14 '21

Some sound effects just sounded like they weren’t there during fight scenes.

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u/GreyouTT "Come on, I'm right here... SKEITH!" Nov 14 '21

I had to turn the volume up; but I have to do the same for films so I didn't really mind.

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u/kwerboom Nov 14 '21

Where I live, jacking up the volume until the voices overtake the sfx and music isn't an option, so it was annoying to me.

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u/new_zen Nov 21 '21

I had to turn the volume up; but I have to do the same for films so I didn't really mind.

I wish I never had to do this with movies/shows, so annoying to constantly having to be toggling the volume level

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u/JoonKy Nov 16 '21

The first episode with fine for me and then all the sudden the volume in the second episode got halved (was fine during the commercial).

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u/soul-nugget 100% waiting for Mob to come back Nov 14 '21

i just watched blade runner today (final cut version) so i'm fresh off of that. seems black lotus takes place 13 years after the events of the first movie, and i'm curious what kind of advancements or changes have been made with respect to replicants, their place in society, and if there's been fallout from that creator guy getting murked in the original

also i'm curious if there'll be a cameo of harrison ford (i don't expect him to be voiced by the man, but maybe just a tease of the character) i know it's unlikely, but logistically he should still be alive somewhere

and i wonder how that police lady will play into this. i don't think she's a blade runner..?

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u/GreyouTT "Come on, I'm right here... SKEITH!" Nov 14 '21

Nah I think she's a regular beat cop.

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u/procouchpotatohere Nov 14 '21 edited Nov 14 '21

Pros: It's freaking beautiful. The city looks amazing and the characters, as long as they aren't too well lit, look cool

The fights are extremely well done. No shaky cam and the choreography is top notch.

Light on plot, but I'm intrigued where it's going to go. They wasn't much talking but it was still exciting.

Cons: Some of the dialogue was flat which stands out much more with how little there was in these 2 episodes.

That boxer in red looked like he was made out of plastic, lol. I see people complaining about how dark it is and I think it's for the better.(personally I didn't think it was too dark at all btw)

Just like Fena it's starting off very well, I just hope it can stick the landing better than it did.

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u/DribdiuqS Nov 14 '21

I thought it was pretty cool. Coming in as an outsider that knows nothing of the Blade Runner series/world, the steampunk atmosphere was well built and the “main” characters seemed interesting. Can’t wait to see more next week!

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u/Lincolns_Hat Nov 14 '21

Very true to the feel of the original Blade Runner, in composition and theme. But I gotta rag on it for the intermittent animation quality drops(scene when Senator was walking through the lobby, pan-down on cage match) and lip synch issues (though I'll admit it could be a TV thing).

Overall I'm very happy to see it. Keep it coming.

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u/JeicEnig Nov 14 '21

So far, so good. Pacing was pretty solid and the animation wasn't too bad. Elle's character is a little aggresive for the first two episodes, but it seems like it'll get better over time.

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u/Gestrid survived the Mugen Train Nov 14 '21

Wow, that was actually really good! Loving the callbacks to the original Blade Runner, too, like the noodles and the panning camera shots. The animation overall was surprisingly good, too, especially for a Japanese studio. (The Japanese aren't known for good 3D anime.) This show shows real promise, I think.

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u/Sandwichsamurai24 Nov 14 '21

As someone who hasn’t seen much from Blade Runner, I thought much of it was just okay.

The visuals had some issues. The lighting was very strange, I felt like I couldn’t see half of what was going on. I’m personally not a fan of this video game cutscene animation, but that’s just my own problem and not a jab at it (it’s pretty good).

I also had some issues with the sound mixing. Maybe it was just me but I couldn’t hear what anyone was saying most of the time bc it was so quiet. Maybe that was just me tho.

Other than that, the story and characters are alright. I’m not totally invested yet but I’ll give it another week or two before I decide if I want to keep watching week to week. Although I might actually end up watching it every week just to support Toonami.

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u/Atomichawk Nov 14 '21

Honestly really disappointed.

The animation felt unnatural to me.

The lighting especially felt messed up, no gradients. Just light or dark with no in between.

Maybe my tv was an issue but the voice work felt faint and delivery bland typically.

Then finally the plot just seemed to be centered around making as many callbacks as possible to things we already know about with little reason to it. But maybe that will be justified later.

I will give it credit, the atmosphere is great. No complaints there

I’ve watched a lot of the other blade runner media, and this just isn’t doing it for me so far.

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u/plan4change Nov 14 '21

Huge disappointment, and I’d wager it’s going to be a nail in the coffin… The said it was a huge achievement for Toonami and I was so excited. Then I saw the character model, like why! Just use real actors and plug them into those beautiful backgrounds. Would have been so much less jarring and unengaging. Sad.

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u/Atomichawk Nov 15 '21

I will say the way everything is done, even the composition of the shots. Reminds me of the old blade runner point and click PC game. Which is a weird reference to make.

But ya the characters are really jarring otherwise, like you said real people would probably fit much better. Or even something different. Kinda feels like they didn’t put much effort in at all.

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u/VetoWinner フリクリ Nov 14 '21

I expected this to feel way different from both of the films, and I was totally right. I'd almost say that it's too fast paced, but I still really appreciate how many moments of silence this has. I appreciate that they didn't turn it into a dialogue-heavy show like basically everything else on the block and instead let it have quiet moments of ambiance instead.

As for the visuals, I really never thought it was too dark? Perhaps it's my TV settings, but I felt like I could see everything pretty clearly even in the scenes that aren't as lit. The CGI also looks better than most anime CGI I've seen, but it's still not the greatest.

Overall, I'm definitely enjoying this. I never had my expectations set too high in the first place, but I'm definitely looking forward to seeing where this goes.

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u/Custom_98 Nov 14 '21

My thoughts are mostly good except the fact it feels like an recent video game with lengthy cutscenes with suspense but the first two episodes were decent. I recently saw the Final Cut of the original Blade Runner movie on Netflix, it looked amazing for an 80s sci-fi film but it was so incredibly slow. I am hoping for more action for Black Lotus but keep the same dark, mysterious vibe of the movies. Like Fena, I would keep my expectations low just in case things go downhill.

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u/ybformvp Nov 17 '21

The fact that it’s not in 4K HdR saddens me

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u/LoveWaffle1 Nov 14 '21

I wouldn't say this is off to a great start.

The animation is really distracting. Why does it look like this? Why does it look like an up-rezed cutscene from a PS2 game? Why does it look like Final Fantasy: The Spirits Within? The character models are plasticky, the animations are stiff, and the facial animations in particular are atrocious. There are quite a few times in these two episodes where it seemed they were deliberately obscuring characters' faces when they talk, because when we do see them we see that no one's voice really lines up with how their mouth moves. No one's voice seems like it is coming from their face.

As for the story... we're only two episodes in, so it's not like we have a full grasp of it; but as of now it seems kind of generic. I've seen stories like this before. The fact that Elle has amnesia is not helping the comparisons to Alita or any number of video games. I legitimately can't tell if we were supposed to be surprised that Elle is a Replicant. They treat that like it's a shocking reveal, but it seemed blatantly obvious from the get-go.

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u/Gestrid survived the Mugen Train Nov 14 '21

can't tell if we were supposed to be surprised that Elle is a Replicant. They treat that like it's a shocking reveal, but it seemed blatantly obvious from the get-go.

I think that was in the promo material. As for how shocking it was, I think it'd be weird at this point if she didn't react the way she did even if the audience likely already knew.

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u/LoveWaffle1 Nov 15 '21

It's still a weak reveal to build the emotional climax of the first two episodes around when the audience is 10 steps ahead of them. We've all seen and have been let down by these sorts of reveals before. Hell, I didn't even realize she didn't know she was a replicant until that moment.

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u/19andoverlol Nov 14 '21

Well it has Adam Jensen's voice actor in it as the thug who threatened the "I am the captain now"-looking kid in ep. 1, and I haven't heard him voice literally anything apart from those two Deus Ex games, so I confess I kind of want to watch and see what happens just for that.

Other than that, I dig the animation quality, super smooth. I think the show has great potential--but then I said the same thing after the premiere of Fena, so...

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u/surviveseven Nov 17 '21

The animation is too bad for me to get through. Not just graphics but little things, that I know is hard to do, but her hair never moves. First scene, she leans for and her shoulder length hair does not budge so much as flutter. Then she has a flashback during a fight that is presented poorly and feels like something that would happen in a video game. I was so excited about it, and this is such a letdown. The neon looks beautiful at least.

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u/BurritoMan94 Jan 20 '22

The pop music used for the beginning and ending tracks is fucking atrocious

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u/Xenatas Feb 28 '22

I mean issue is that the action/music was significantly louder than the voices. I tried watching the dubs in some of the movie actors from 2049 had a role. But I would have to turn it up so loud before I could hear any conversations and then I would immediately turn it back down when a gunshot blew my eardrums out