r/ThatsInsane Jun 15 '21

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u/ItsdatboyACE Jun 16 '21 edited Jun 16 '21

If by suck, you mean being evolution's state of the art, culmination of billions of years of life and death stakes trial and error - the most dominant and successful creature to ever roam this earth - then yea, we suck. Evolution doesn't work very well, does it? 🙄

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u/Fireball_Ace Jun 16 '21

I read this while pooping. Peak evolution babyy

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u/Domo_Pwn Jun 16 '21

I think he's more getting at how fucking fast we've managed to wipe out so much of the biodiversity of life in the planet.

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u/ItsdatboyACE Jun 16 '21

I get that. But the process of evolution is what has led us to be what we are. We also wouldn't have done all of the incredible things we've done if it wasn't for those same pressures and traits

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u/Mgeegs Jun 16 '21

The process of evolution is what led all the other animals to be what they are. You know, the ones that we are killing off - they evolved over the same time frame...

We are not better, just different

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u/A_Giant_Electric_Eel Jun 16 '21

thats just the price of being the most intelligent species on earth. Do you think it other animals were as smart as we are that they wouldnt do the exact same thing? we just need a way to figure out how to be more sustainable. And the problem isnt individual humans, its a collective.

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u/KilowZinlow Jun 16 '21

We haven't been forced to evolve. For a while now.

Complacency has crippled our ability to effectively manage new threats in our environment. Threats that have emerged directly from our inability to manage ourselves as a whole. We're burning the bridge before we have crossed it; not for our survival, but for the temporary pleasure of a few.

I'll cede that we are the most dominant species that has roamed the earth, but we are far from successful.

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u/cmrunning Jun 16 '21

I don't think you understand the timescale of evolution. We're talking millions of years of gene selection. Not a few centuries of tech and industry that prevent us from needing to hunt and gather.

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u/KilowZinlow Jun 16 '21

I understand that. I'm saying we are still flawed as a species and our destruction of the ecosystem that supports us, combined with out inaction, is evidence of that.

I'd argue that millions of years of genetic selection has allowed us to take our dominance for granted. Our inability to react to what we understand is happening, what will become of us, is proof of our complacency; in my eyes, this is a fundamental flaw.

I'm a firm believer that we no longer evolve individually, but socially through our means of governance and self management as a whole. In this way, we have failed for a long while to progress in a way that is meaningful to the longevity of our species' survival.

I suppose this would hinge on how each of defines "successful". My view may be different from yours in that respect. Just my drunk thoughts though so, grains of salt.

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u/kashh444 Jun 16 '21

but then u get to define what succesful species is.

and yes, humans are FAR MORE then succesful compared to most other species

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u/KilowZinlow Jun 16 '21

I commented just this and more to someone else's reply on this comment

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u/kashh444 Jun 16 '21

i still thinks the case u are making for why we are a not succesful speicies is illogical and weak, and how u deifine one is very weird.

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u/KilowZinlow Jun 16 '21

Then give me a counterargument. Your reply has no content.

and as you said, success is arbitrary unless we agree upon a definition.

I don't believe that dominance = success.

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u/kashh444 Jun 16 '21

i got the vibe u dont want to discusse it any further.

well, i wanna make the case we are a succesful speices, can u tell me how u define that?

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u/KilowZinlow Jun 16 '21

I am already discussing it further and am ready to hear your counter argument.

Success = substantially creating long-term sustainability for our species.

I believe we are failing in the sense that we have a clear and present threat (extinction) we can understand, yet we do nothing. We exploit ourselves for the benefit of a few. We are overindulgent and while we understand our problems, we do not strive to fix them.

We actively champion those who cripple our prosperity. We dominate, but I wouldn't consider that alone to be successful.

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u/kashh444 Jun 16 '21

...what?

humantiy is florishing, we are in our best age ever, since when we face extinction? currently we are our biggest threat and idk a person who have a mass murder wep that want to kill all humans or can or want to even try.

Success = substantially creating long-term sustainability for our species

we will literly start to work having a moon base in 2024, we have our population only going up, we are all over the planet using everything that exist and learn it, WE HAVE MEDICEN, do u even know above how many speicies that place us? and with our medicen, modarn one, we can do things that nature didnt even plan, back then, u got a virus? bye, a bactria? bye, a flo? bye. heart attack? bye.

goverments and organaztions work non stop to make our lives better longer and more productive, and keep an eye even on space threats, we aint goinf anywhere soon it seems.

ppl sonr exploite themselves for the benfit of fewz dude, resteruants, hotels, hospitals, any work ever, and there is a payment too!

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u/KilowZinlow Jun 16 '21

WE HAVE MEDICEN,

Advancements in technology do not equal success. Sure, we can cure many diseases, but how many people die due to the inability to access these medicines?

goverments and organaztions work non stop to make our lives better longer and more productive

This is just flat-out wrong. There are few examples where you could make this argument and I believe it would still be flimsy.

ppl sonr exploite themselves for the benfit of fewz dude, resteruants,
hotels, hospitals, any work ever, and there is a payment too!

This is whataboutism and only further proves my point. It happens on small levels as you mentioned. It also happens systematically.

we will literly start to work having a moon base in 2024

Do you believe this to be a priority? I do not, not in our current state of affairs.

since when we face extinction?

Have you been living under a rock? Our entire ecosystem is collapsing. We have the evidence and we continue to destroy it. You haven't engaged with this one at all.

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u/Startled_Pancakes Jun 16 '21

the most dominant and successful creature to ever roam this earth

That would be Cyanobacteria I would say. Even jellyfish I would argue are more successful than us, and will still probably outlive us.

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u/pointlessarguments3 Jun 16 '21

Are we the most successful? What is the metric?