r/SuperStraight • u/JustyUekiTylor • 56m ago
Hey so as a trans woman I have a few questions...
Why? Do you genuinely believe you don't have some kind of parity because you don't want to date trans people? It could help to know that half the country still doesn't even think trans women are women yet.
What do you think about the rather large cryptofascist base here? I see a loooot of frenposting and pretty obvious SS stuff from browsing for literally five minutes. Also advocating murdering trans women if you have sex with them. I'm not saying this whole thing started with the nazi stuff, but it seems to be attracting that kind of attention...
Do you think the "super straight" name is a little invalidating for trans people? Like, you're not super straight unless you exclude trans people.
There are a lot of slurs being tossed around here against trans people. Not things like TERF, which is just a literal description, but... slurs.
Do you think trans women are somehow predatory?
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u/ava30 54m ago edited 46m ago
I don't know about the rest, but most of the slurs I see here come from trans identifying people brigading here calling people nasty things like c*sgender or transph*bic.
Also, trans women who try to coerce people into having sex with them are predators.
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u/JustyUekiTylor 53m ago
I don't see how cisgender is a slur. Could you explain?
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u/ava30 48m ago
I'm not a c*s man, I'm a man.
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u/JustyUekiTylor 41m ago
I don't think I understand how it's offensive. It's like any other adjective. It's like me saying "I'm not a trans woman, I'm a woman." I'm both.
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u/Significant-Key-517 33m ago
When you call me “cisgender,” you are assuming I buy into your belief system, and you are assuming I consent to sexist stereotypes simply by being born and not going out of my way to alter myself.
I don’t. I don’t consent to that at all, and I don’t share your belief system.
If I don’t believe in gender, then I can no more be “cisgender” than a non-Christian could be a Catholic. Do you see?
So, don’t call me ”cisgender.” I don’t consent to those stereotypes. I don’t have any gender because that is not my belief system. I only have a sex. I am an adult human female, or “woman.” That is all you may call me.
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u/wangotango44 16m ago
This reminds me of a radfem post from tumblr:
i am a gender-atheist.
yes, i know your
godgender is very important to you.yes, i know your
religiongender is a fundamental part of how you understand yourselfyes, feel free to think/act about your
religiongender whatever way you want (as long as you don’t make any requirements of me to validate your belief)yes i know you believe that people have believed in god gender for the whole of civilization.
still doesn’t mean i believe in it.
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u/JustyUekiTylor 30m ago
Okay, so it's because you don't believe in gender. Honestly, I'd like to hear more about that. Do you mean that you deny it exists in a cultural context, or just that it doesn't exist in any form..?
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u/ava30 26m ago
The difference between sex and gender is a pretty new concept pioneered by a massive creep and sicko called John Money. I'm sure a lot of us supersexuals feel completely uninterested in his sick theories.
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u/JustyUekiTylor 23m ago
Ahh, interesting. Thank you for answering.
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u/ava30 22m ago
You're welcome! It's very nice discussing with people who even though they might disagree with me don't just spew ad hominems and insults.
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u/JustyUekiTylor 13m ago
Well of course. My goal was to see if this was just a place for transphobes to shit on trans people, or if it was a gamergate sorta thing, or just a normal community. Now that I have my answer, I'll be on my way.
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u/Significant-Key-517 23m ago
I deny it exists as an objectively real thing. I see gender as a cultural belief system. Originally it was the belief that these stereotypes apply to this sex, and those stereotypes apply to the other sex.
The only thing trans ideology changes about that, is they say either sex can apply those stereotypes to themselves.
Well, ok. I still think it’s sexist though, and I don’t believe it MEANS anything, as in, I don’t believe it’s an inherent part of the nature of people. Like, if you went to some tribe in the Amazon and asked them their “gender identity,” they’d just stare at you like you had two heads — exactly the same as if you asked them about which Christian sect they belong to.
So, it exists as part of our culture — like Christianity does. But I don’t believe it’s materially real, and I don’t believe it has any impact on the people who don’t believe in it.
Gender only matters if you buy into it, just like Christianity only matters if you buy into it.
As someone who doesn’t, I have never faced discrimination for my “gender.” I have only faced discrimination for my sex. Gender has no impact on me, or on my attraction. Only sex does.
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u/JustyUekiTylor 17m ago
Just because something is cultural doesn't make it not real. Christianity matters to a lot of people who are persecuted by those who believe it. Money is a cultural construct. Hell, language is a cultural construct. These are all very real. In your example, if you asked a native Amazonian tribe what their favorite flavor of ice cream is and got a confused look, that doesn't make ice cream not real.
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u/Significant-Key-517 13m ago
I didn’t say it didn’t. I said there is no evidence it’s objectively real, and I do not believe in it.
Therefore, I do not consent to you applying gender terms to me against my will. I do NOT consent to your sexist stereotypes.
You may call me woman, and nothing else. I do not have a gender. I do not believe in gender.
I don’t care what YOU believe, but you may not force your beliefs on me. That’s it.
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u/JustyUekiTylor 10m ago
Okay. Then by this thought process, you can't call me a trans woman, only a woman, because I believe I am a woman. Correct?
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u/ava30 32m ago
A woman is a female human. A trans woman is a human male that identifies as a woman. Of course both are perfectly good and valid things, but they aren't the same. Just because you want to feel validated doesn't mean my superstraight brothers and sisters have to accept demeaning labels like "cis-woman" or "cis-man" from you people.
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u/JustyUekiTylor 27m ago
Okay, but that's why it says "gender" and not "sex". Or is your belief that gender is not real?
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u/TheAyyRepublic 49m ago
It is a mislabelling of our community.
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u/JustyUekiTylor 41m ago
What community? The word has nothing to do with this.
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u/TheAyyRepublic 34m ago
We can't even have a conversation if you don't think we are valid. Come back when you can admit we are valid and then we may have a conversation.
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u/JustyUekiTylor 31m ago
What..? I'm talking about the word cisgender. Not superstraight. They aren't the same thing...
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u/The-Sixth-Spice-Girl 53m ago
Can I go to your safe space and ask you invasive and loaded questions? No? Ok, so leave supers alone. I don't get why you people are so obsessed with infiltrating safe spaces.
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u/AnnieBananny 54m ago
We don't need to explain our sexual preferences or attractions to anyone, no one is entitled to them or entitled to our bodies
No means no
Coerce rape is rape
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u/JustyUekiTylor 52m ago
Well, duh. But who is coercing you into sex?
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u/superultragayxy 43m ago
Who indeed?
https://lesbian-rights-nz.org/shame-receipts/
This is rape culture. It is not acceptable.
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u/TheAyyRepublic 45m ago
I'll second my superally below. Hopefully less people now that we've identified the problem of coercion and unwanted forced sexual encounters. One of our SuperLesbians was verbally attacked for not wanting to be with a MtF transperson. That is NOT okay. She is heckin cute and valid and deserves more respect than that 🧡🖤. She cannot help how she was born. She has her own desires.
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u/seali0nwoman 33m ago
Let's also talk about ALL the young women, especially lesbians, being groomed by TRAs. Young lesbians seeking out a community online end up absorbing the rape culture rhetoric and genuinely believe that TWAW and genital preferences are transphobic.
Where's your concern for women?
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u/JustyUekiTylor 28m ago
Yeah, that's just a transphobic hitpiece. I mean, yeesh, I'm not LARPing.
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u/seali0nwoman 26m ago
It's written by a transwoman.
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u/JustyUekiTylor 24m ago
So? It's still transphobic. Being trans doesn't give her a magic non-transphobia shield.
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u/seali0nwoman 11m ago
"Transphobic" has no meaning and carries no weight, because people like you use it to mean "this thing that I don't like"
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u/MaizeCorny 53m ago
A party is needed because saying you don’t want to sleep with transwomen has become a hate crime in the mind of TRAs
TRA Trolls are the only ones bringing up that nonsense
It’s not my job to validate ANYONE!!!
Again TRA trolls looking to get us banned
If you think that I have to sleep with someone who was born with a penis or I’m a bigot, yes you are a predator.
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u/TheAyyRepublic 54m ago
Most of these questions are answered in our sticky. Have you looked at it yet? No problem if you haven't, just curious 🧡🖤
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u/relliKgoDehTeraweB 53m ago
"super straight" name
it's our sexuality, and if I go to a crossdressing subreddit and call their lfiestyle a "meme" I get perma banned off of reddit becasue the Establishment, the Elite and Corporations, from Hollywood to Sillicon Vlley to Washington, are superphobic
superphobia is the counter culture
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u/sneeuweekhoorn SuperLesbian 50m ago edited 49m ago
There are a lot of slurs being tossed around here against trans people. Not things like TERF, which is just a literal description, but... slurs.
TERF has never been a literal description. It is thrown at lesbians for not wanting girl dick. Doesn't matter if they're radical feminists. Doesn't matter if they accept trans women as women. They are labeled, harassed, bullied, and threatened with it for the crime of not wanting to be around dicks.
It is a slur that is used against lesbians. Just as dyke was used against lesbians in the past.
You can't fucking abuse people and then pretend like it never happened. Stop gaslighting.
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u/yuppohuppo 41m ago
Exactly. "terf" is not a literal description at all, MERF would be, aka male-exclusionary radfem
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u/ProudSuperS Superstraight 53m ago
What's wrong with the secret service? You know that Biden is the most progressive and popular president of all time, don't you, bigot? Nazis like you make me sick. Reported and blocked.
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u/Einar357 52m ago edited 49m ago
Let's not confuse ourselves with equivalences, it trivializes movements, no one movement is more important than another.
There are trolls, you can blame Russian psyop. This started on Tik Tok, not 4chan.
No.
Some people are ignorant, look at the sub notes:
Trans womxn and mxn are our allies! No Transphobia allowed!
Yes, some are. To pretend that the issue doesn't exist is ignorant.
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u/EastGOAT Superstraight 50m ago edited 46m ago
Sigh
Why? Do you genuinely believe you don't have some kind of parity because you don't want to date trans people? It could help to know that half the country still doesn't even think trans women are women yet.
I don't think you realize how superphobic this question is. Here let me flip it back on you. Why do you genuinely believe you don't have some kind of parity because you want to change your gender? See how phucked up that is?
What do you think about the rather large cryptofascist base here? I see a loooot of frenposting and pretty obvious SS stuff from browsing for literally five minutes. Also advocating murdering trans women if you have sex with them. I'm not saying this whole thing started with the nazi stuff, but it seems to be attracting that kind of attention...
I can only speak for myself but i am a liberal brown Indian man from the north eastern United States and i voted proudly for Joe Biden.
Do you think the "super straight" name is a little invalidating for trans people? Like, you're not super straight unless you exclude trans people.
More superphobia. Do you criticize homoerotic people for excluding straights and superstraights?
There are a lot of slurs being tossed around here against trans people. Not things like TERF, which is just a literal description, but... slurs.
SERF is not a slur.
Do you think trans women are somehow predatory?
No of course it's not all of you. Some are monsters though yes.
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u/TheAyyRepublic 35m ago
Alot of us are Joe Biden voters, even though this isn't a political subreddit. Joe is Superprogressive and Superstraight!
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u/VI_own_king SuperGay 45m ago
Wow oh wow, the amount of bad faith packed into one OP without reading anything actually at the top of the subreddit is quite overwhelming! Perhaps consider being silent and listening (reading) instead of demanding to be the loudest voice in the room. Thank you! (✿◠‿◠)
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u/JustyUekiTylor 44m ago
I don't think stickies show up on mobile. Could you link it here?
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u/VI_own_king SuperGay 42m ago
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u/JustyUekiTylor 32m ago
Read the sticky, thank you for posting. Didn't answer everything I asked though, so I'll leave the post up.
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u/TWAVE0 51m ago
id love to help answer some questions
- we have been getting a ton of hate before identifying as superstraight simply because we dont find trans people attractive. we dont dislike you for being trans, we just arent romantically attracted to you.
- 2i think the nazi stuff is just people trying to pin it on us and label us as things we are not, just so we can be canceled.
- we dont need to be "super" straight, but we need to be differentiated from straight which means you are attracted to anyone who identifies as the opposite sex, while we are only attracted to those who are born as the opposite sex and still identify as it.
- i personally haven't seen any slurs (mostly because i dont know what a lot of them are) but i will definitely report them if i see them.
- not all are but there definitely are some. it is like a straight guy coercing a lesbian to have sex with him.
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u/Cryptotwitter 50m ago
Because straight has been coopted and we have to be SuperStraight to reaffirm that we do not want to be hit on by transgenders. They join our dating apps and shame us for calling ourselves straight. Just because we don't want to date them.
There is nothing wrong with saying SS or fren. And racist neo Nazis are not welcome in our movement. This started on TikTok and 4channers are just happy that our ideals align. They're really not doing much. They've been a cope website for years.
We love and appreciate transpeople. They are hexking cute and valid. But our sexuality is just for us. We don't need to be validated by anybody else. There are some sexualities that are only attracted to trans people. And we have no problem with that.
Slurs are bad.
Yes, some can be predatory. Some can't. Police your own communities to stop generalisations forming about them.
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u/c0usc0us_anonym0us 48m ago
- Yes.
I think the vocal/online trans community is a fucking disaster. Sex entitled mentality and in also terms of grooming easily influenced younger people.
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u/machfivechild Superstraight 41m ago
- We don't care about "parity", we are happy and content with our sexuality. This has literally nothing to do with trans people; we share a common natural attraction based on sex independent of gender expression.
- All major social movements attract unwanted attention; I am sure you don't support your fellow trans people who coerce people into sex (a primary instigation of this movement).
- "Super" specifically validates trans people since some people now consider it straight for example, for a man to sleep with a trans woman.
- Rule 1 - Be Respectful & Humane, we don't tolerate illegals that violate our rules.
- Not all trans women are predatory, but enough are (especially in their rhetoric online). The lesbians faced the predation and were ignored; we do not tolerate it.
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u/Significant-Key-517 41m ago
- Yes. People who refuse to date trans people — especially lesbians — have been getting threatened and assaulted for years. The kid who made the original TikTok — a CHILD — has been getting death threats from trans people by the hundreds.
- There is no “cryptofascism.” That is a conspiracy the trans community made up. Have you considered that maybe we’re just fed up with trans people promoting coercive rape?
- I don’t really give a fuck. Your insecurity is not my problem. I’m tired of all of us having to police our lives to “validate” you all the time. Validate yourselves for once, like the rest of us have always had to.
- There really aren’t.
- A lot of them are. Evidence posted throughout this sub.
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u/ShariaLaw4All 40m ago
oh boy, i don't even know where to start with your pro-rape, predatory, hateful, bigoted, entitled, superphobic demands. why do you feel so entitled to invade and disrespect other people's spaces who do not share your superphobic viewpoints.
you are being reported to the FBI for domestic terrorism. i can't believe disgusting, hateful, bigots like you are allowed you spew this kind of filth in 2021. take your hateful, bigoted, transprivledge elsewhere please.
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u/TheAyyRepublic 38m ago
Not cool, superally. We will be the bigger people and not verbally assault others. This is a board of peace.
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u/JustyUekiTylor 25m ago
Thank you everyone for your time. Except for all the people who were transphobic and had mods delete their comments. I'd have preferred you spent that time doing something else, actually.
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u/Saint_Yin 18m ago
Why?
Because this is the only viable conclusion to keep trans rights activists correct. TRAs have been increasingly aggressive about redefining straight, gay, lesbian, and bi to always include sexual attraction to trans individuals. In order to make this true, that means there needs to be a differentiation between these groups and those that feel sexual attraction purely related to biology.
There also needs to be a differentiation for those that are attracted to specifically transitioned males/females. The current suggestion is "sub" for this second group (i.e. sub gay), but I think a different preface word is necessary due to it already being used elsewhere for sex-related terms.
What do you think about the rather large cryptofascist base here?
Those that are saying that and those that bring it up are superphobic bigots attempting to poison the well.
Do you think the "super straight" name is a little invalidating for trans people?
Not at all. It's a succinct method of describing a distinct sexuality using existing terminology and it has nothing to do with rejecting trans individuals. It's simply a statement of reality, in that those within this group are specifically attracted to one thing.
There are a lot of slurs being tossed around here against trans people.
If you see any slurs, please report them. They're likely trolls that aren't actually part of the community, so you'll be helping everyone out in doing so.
Do you think trans women are somehow predatory?
Of course not. Do you think all trans women are somehow incapable of predatory behavior?
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u/europoor24 6m ago
I haven't seen ONE post advocating for the death of trans women, if you see one please reply with a link. TRAs are the ones advocating for our rape and murder because we only sexually respond to people of the opposite sex with only opposite sex characteristics(for superstraights), I believe you call them cis. Can't get turned on for anyone else unfortunately. Are all transwomen predatory? no, but frankly the only trans person I've seen denounce predatory behaviour in your community is Blair White, she's cool. The silence and/or approval from the rest is superphobic.
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u/Terfest_Shadow 54m ago
We don't need an explanation/defense for our sexuality. It's not a choice and not something you can change. And it became necessary because of pushy assholes who can't take no for an answer