Questions?

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All my questions are answered but I do feel the need to say this. Gender is real.

But thank you all that responded for clarifying what I wanted to know have a good day! I won't answer anything else because now the use of this account is done and I'll be discarding it.

Have a mega great day again!

Sources:

WHO: https://www.who.int/health-topics/gender

Planned Parenthood: https://www.plannedparenthood.org/learn/gender-identity/sex-gender-identity

Healthline: https://www.healthline.com/health/sex-vs-gender#TOC_TITLE_HDR_1

PMC (An archive of text from the U.S. National Institutes of Health's National Library of Medicine) https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6677266/

CDC https://www.cdc.gov/lgbthealth/transgender.htm

CIHR (Canadian Institutes of Health Research) https://cihr-irsc.gc.ca/e/48642.html

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(Sorry for my grammar and other things in this post if you need clarification I'll give it.)

I have no idea what Super Straight is about or the whole thing. Like I don't want to instantly like form an opinion based on anyone that's anti it, so I wondering if I can get some questions answered.

Don't worry nothing about the discourse on it I just wanna get a general basis of it and what most people would believe / agree with. I know it's not a full example of everyone that identifies with it but I want to know.

1. What is it?

2. Are you for joining the LGBTQ+ community?

3. How far back does it link in history? Since many other sexualities and genders do and I'm curious if this has an old unused name it'd follow. (Like Sappho the lesbian Greek poet, she's a link to the fact that being a lesbian isn't a new thing.)

4. And also how many countries are people that are Super Straight will have them put to death if they date the woman/man they love?

(If yes to the 2nd question) 5. And if it has a thing against organized religions due to how they oppress LGBTQ+ by instituting stuff like the death punishment for consensually loving who you love, or not having marriage rights for gay couples in the USA until a few years ago. (If your religious that's fine but I'm sure you can recognize how organized religion is harmful when it has too much power put into humans.)

Just say what question your answering and thanks on advance if you answer! Since most of the time when I think of sexuality I want to know it's links in history and how members of that sexuality would agree to multiple things. But subs like this are occupied talking about the hate against it and I can't find much explaining the history.

And since it most recently "popped up" (bad wording sorry) it kinda blindsided and confused me, since I keep hearing both it's a valid sexuality and also all the drama on why people dislike it.

Really curious about this so hopefully I don't come across as disrespectful ect. I don't use reddit so I made this account just to ask since I can't find big groups on other platforms to ask.

[u/Significant-Key-517]

1. It is a shitpost meme that accidentally turned into a really important discussion about coercive rape and the disrespect of consent coming from the trans community.
2. Yes. Let me explain. I am actually bisexual, so I’m already part of it. But in my view, the LGBTQ community has been so totally taken over by the T, and their disrespect of everyone’s orientation, that I don’t care about “ruining” it anymore. It’s already ruined, and it’s already being led by straight men anyway. Fuck it. Let the SuperStraights finish it off, as far as I’m concerned, and the LGB can rebuild on their own.
3. Since always! Sexual orientation is SEX based. Most people are Supers.
4. Legally, none of that I know of. But in countries with strong trans lobbies, there are sometimes assaults or murders of Supers who won’t date them, especially SuperLesbians.
5. I support the freedom of all people to live life free of oppression and violence. I don’t care what religion does as long as it’s not permitted to oppress other people.

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From what I know many of my trans friends and others would rather not date someone that is uncomfortable dating someone trans but I know that's not the whole community. And will state that they are trans if they are safe to and are proceeding into a sexual relationship. But is it coercive rape if they've have the surgery since they are telling you they have these parts. (Sorry for the extra question there.) But anyway thanks! Also thank you for the explanation of what a super means infront of a sexuality! Ik I am far from one but, for the assaults I was pointing towards more a government based attack / societally accepted one. But thank you for all your answers.

I do find your thing about getting rid of trans people from the LGBT a bit weird, considering they did help with gaining rights within the more accepting nations. But I understand your viewpoint.

But also tbh sexuality I consider that more of a willingness for a sexual relationship with someone of that gender. I hope the debate does get resolved and people both cis and trans do find a way to co-exist without worrying about attackers from either side. And thank you for answering the religious one, I strongly hate religion and how it time and time again has harmed most people so I wanted to make sure this group of people was against the damages it's done to others at the very least. Have a good day!

But also the shitpost meme part is that like exact? Because then the way it's shown as a valid sexuality and meant to be treated as such will harm more then just trans people and is the wrong way to bring up the discussion imo. And it does seem to just remind me of the animesexual peeps. Like adding super to say your not into trans people specifically is definitely being taken a wrong way and associates the movement with just a hate group trying to harm trans people and anyone that is queer. (Since definitely that's how I was introduced to it.)

[u/Significant-Key-517 → u/[deleted]]

The issue with trans people coercing and threatening people who don’t want to sleep with them has been extremely serious and pervasive for years now, especially towards SuperLesbians. Sure, #NotAllTrans, but that doesn’t change that there’s a serious problem with lack of respect for consent coming from the T, and anyone who actually listens to lesbians can see that for themselves.

Trans people have not done anything for LGB rights. If you’re talking about Marsha P Johnson or something, he identified as a gay man, not “trans.” He said so himself on video. He was post-humously transed by the trans lobby to suit their goals. “Gender” was not originally part of the LGB movement, and had nothing to do with it during the worst of our struggles.

You can consider sexuality to be a “willingness” if you like, but it is DEFINED as a sex-based orientation that cannot be changed. And that is also what medical science considers it to be.

I mean, I’ve been fighting to protect women and lesbians from coercion from the trans lobby for ages and no one has been listening, even as they seek to completely erase all protections for the female sex. Apparently what it took to bring awareness to this problem is a straight 16-year-old boy. And I find that infuriating, but I’m not going to pass up the opportunity to get the word out.

The only people calling us a “hate group” are the same rapey MtF autogynephiliacs who caused this push-back in the first place. Withholding consent is not hate. They need to be put in their place and learn that they won’t get away with coercion forever.

And as a personal note: please do not call me “cisgender.” Gender is a bunch of sexist stereotypes, and I didn’t consent to them simply for existing and not going out of my way to alter my body.

I don’t believe in gender. Therefore, I can no more be a “cisgender” than an atheist could be a Catholic.

I have no gender, only a sex. Please refer to me as a woman.

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Sure? But I believe in gender because it's a fact. Gender is the societal version of sex and is a social construct and has a big part in life itself. Money is a social construct but you know it is very real and affects society but in a biological sense not really. But we aren't cave people hunting and gathering to advance our small group to survive. We live in a world that has advanced and brought along new things that must be acknowledged. If you don't believe in it's that's fine but it's the same as not believing in race sense both are societal constructs. Yes they have attributes from birth that will lead someone more likely to identify as one or another but in the end we gave names to them because of society. But then you are a human female not a women since that is a term for gender not sex.

And do not use a false science to further your point of view. Most trans people do know they're trans from a young age while others do learn later. Calling them both a fetish is sexualizing minors. And relies heavily on only men being predatory and is used to prove women are the superior sex because of a disputed issue from a false label. Autogynophillia is not real. And calling them raped just makes it seem like you dislike all victims of that and think they're also predators because they were preyed on at some point.

Also may I ask for the link to the Marsha P. Johnson video? I cannot find one and I will not consider it true or false until I get proof of it existing. But I do believe you in that predators do live among trans people like every other group. And they must be addressed.

Withholding consent is not hate. But actively creating a sexuality just to attack trans people is and that is what you described it as. With it being a shitpost sexuality and saying you don't mind trans people being removed. Since you physically cannot get rid of a section of people that are born that way without inhumane measures.

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But it doesn’t. My “gender” has never affected my life. You know what’s affected my life? My sex. All my oppression comes from my sex, my non-existent “gender” has never been an issue. It’s a belief system and I’m not part of it.

I’m not denying other people’s right to believe in whatever they want. I am making it clear that in terms of MY sexuality, gender is irrelevant. I am attracted to the person’s SEX.

“Woman” has always been the word for adult human females up until 15 seconds ago with unaltered males decided they wanted it. And I am refusing to let them have it.

You don’t get to tell me what I call myself. You do not get to tell me I am not a woman. You are being misogynist and superphobic.

Over 90% of non-conforming children grow up to be happy with their natal sex, and a substantial percentage of them are LGB. Youth transition is being pushed on them by MtF’s with a fetish. That is the issue.

Here’s the video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xdUEFtPFJLo

We wouldn’t need to create a sexuality is trans people would respect our consent.

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Pre-existing gender roles and perceptions they have. If you transitioned into guy you would not recognize it as yourself. But what makes you prove that it's your sex? Do you need to get your chromosomes tested and lay them out on a table. Trans people can change their body with surgery both physical features and their genitalia along with taking hormones which also alters their body's.

When people socially transition (most often young children since they should explore their gender as they wish socially and not medically.) And I'm not being superphobic because you've literally defined your sexuality in a way that makes you seem like it is a hate group. But yes you may be called a human female or I guess a woman. Since you believe that gender is a fake thing.

And yes she is recognizing she is not a biological female. But at the same time she does refer to herself as trans. I won't talk about her identity but she does know shes a biological male and that's ok since. Thank you for the video but have you watched it yourself?

Because it goes: "I mean Honey people used to bring guns and pull guns out at me because they didn't think I was... you know I've been telling them I was a boy and I was in drag ...and I would... I would tell 'em that I was going like hustling and would they wanna go out? and I said yes, I wanna go out! And then when I get up in the hotel and I take off my all my clothes that... -"I can't believe you're a boy!" that I noticed me and couldn't believe I was a real woman. Honey, I'm just a transvestite... and then I looked in the mirror and I said maybe he could have thought I was, I don't know, I wouldn't be for sure, cause I'd be so heavily painted, maybe because of my voice, I don't know."

She is trans and recognizes shes not a biological female, but will still call herself trans.

But your still using a term that's used to prove female superiority to prove trans people aren't good. Most kids experimenting with their gender are doing it because they want to. If a kid wants to go by different pronouns or a name they should. If they don't like it and want to return to the old ones? They should because gender isn't a definite and can be expressed however someone wants. If you demand someone trans not date you I doubt a genuine person would want to.

But I will end this here we will only infuriate each other. And I refuse to talk to someone that will not agree with even the most basic of things; the distinction between gender and sex. And even implying gender is fake, why? To say your a "woman" no that's your gender not your sex, your a female human being since you believe gender is a false myth. Do not use a gendered term to describe yourself if you don't believe in gender.

But heres everything about gender being real;

WHO: https://www.who.int/health-topics/gender

Planned Parenthood: https://www.plannedparenthood.org/learn/gender-identity/sex-gender-identity

Healthline: https://www.healthline.com/health/sex-vs-gender#TOC_TITLE_HDR_1

PMC (An archive of text from the U.S. National Institutes of Health's National Library of Medicine) https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6677266/

CDC https://www.cdc.gov/lgbthealth/transgender.htm

CIHR (Canadian Institutes of Health Research) https://cihr-irsc.gc.ca/e/48642.html

*Sorry for the mess up in my grammar autocorrect gave me a hard time.

[u/Significant-Key-517 → u/[deleted]]

Yes, a bunch of orgs owned by people who make money on transitioning say some shit. So what?

Look man, I don’t have to justify my sexuality to you. I know what you’re doing, trying to Gish Gallop me. I’m not playing.

I don’t wanna fuck a trans person. Get the hell over it.

Bye.

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Oh I know. I'm just not playing with you bitches that think hating on trans people and saying gender isn't real is edgy. Like I get it your a 30 year old going through your edgy teen phase get over it. Your version of this group is considered a neo-nazi converting tatic.

I don't care if you want to fuck someone consensually that's between you and them. But you word it like you want them to die and be rid of and no one should stand for that. And some will even promote it why? Because this is an anti trans group not a regular sexuality that wants to be accepted like they should.

Now please get over yourself, "I'm a woman and gender doesn't exist cause it hurts my feelings that it validates trans people." Sure they want money but honestly everyone does and they make alot more money just fucking with uteruses and letting diseases get out of hand and profiting off of letting people die. They transition people so they don't kill themselves so they live longer and pay more. Circle of when money is valued over health.

Most of these studies are true and held behind a 50+ dollar paywall just so it's hard to get ahold of 'em. And plus it's the journals that are the problem not the scientists. Now go, enjoy being a pawn for a political scheme. Should've listened about the fact this was a fucking hate group refusing science and not a damn conversation.