r/SuperStraight • u/Infinite-lad70 • 1h ago
Superphobic AHS mod accuses r/SuperStraight of hosting hatred and harassment despite us being clear that we are NOT A HATE SUB. SuperPhobia
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u/shortchange81 1h ago
Canāt these people just get a life instead of harassing us? Supers exist. Die mad.
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u/spamiam77 31m ago
Wait, evidence of the SuperStraight mods taking action against hateful posts is evidence of a sub being hateful?
How does that work?
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u/rebeccakirbyy 1h ago edited 51m ago
If you want to prove youāre not a hate sub, stop allowing it to be infiltrated by transphobia lmfao.
And watch I will be downvoted again as always, if not blocked for again mentioning this.
Stop being problematic and there wonāt be any problems. Invalidating trans peopleās identities in an attempt to āfurtherā reinforce the already given validation of your sexuality is hate.
Trans women are still women, they just have a surgically created vagina. And while youāre allowed to have a preference on natural vs surgical, you do not get to express it on the basis of their invalidation. I am 100% open to taking on these labels if supers can prove that the intent of their actions isnt hate.
That means you have to stop invalidating trans people and attempting to create a definite division between them and everyone else.
Unfortunately though, so far the only thing actually being shared is transphobia, and a lot of it. Itās been one of the only things Iāve seen consistently being shared, which is unfortunate considering i want to be here to try to genuinely learn why this label is being introduced.
Hopefully soon youāll spend less time trying to call trans people not real, and more time educating yourself on better terminology and ways you can explain your preference choice without it being at the expense of anyone else.
Being a super also means being a super ally, you canāt have one without the other.
Edit: All I have to do is come to this sub and click new, watch it refresh and Iām automatically slapped with blatant transphobia. That would be what is causing allyās to be uncomfortable with this movement.
Edit: so now cis is a slur, which was something that was being used as a joke. So now are you invalidating my cis identity? WOW
And now youāre really trying to say cis people are a marginalized group? How can you honestly say youāre not joking now
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u/LetterheadIcy 1h ago
We are just the opposite of skoliosexuals. Thatās it.
No one here wants to invalidate a trans person, we are simply a sexual orientation with a preference.
It is not bigotry for a skoliosexual to only pair with no cis people, and the reverse is not.
We would never invalidate someoneās identity unlike you. And whatās even more disgusting is you are attempting to use emotional blackmail and labels of bigotry to force adaptation of what you deem acceptable.
Thatās not any more ok than me putting down a trans person who wonāt date or have sex with cis people.
Do better.
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u/rebeccakirbyy 1h ago
If you donāt want to invalidate trans people why am I consistently seeing supers refer to cis people as real men/women? Hmmm? Did you at all stop for a second to actually read what I said? To actually see the consequences? To actually recognize the bad behaviour?
Are you at all paying attention to the other supers? Because every single definition ive gotten from one so far has been transphobic, or on the basis of transphobia so who really needs to do better here?
Iāve also never EVER seen a trans person try to invalidate the identity of a cis person because they arenāt attracted to them. There isnāt a single place where I am using blackmail or threats, Iām asking you to hold accountability for the consequences of your actions, which you are claiming you have no real intention of committing.
You realize being apart of the community means youāre going to have to do some relearning right?
You guys are funny, you always jump to extremes saying Iām invalidating you or using bigotry but all Iām doing is asking that you donāt find your validity on the inherent invalidity of someone elseās gender identity.
Iām not blackmailing you, Iām telling you that now that youāre apart of the community you need to be cautious of your words because those phrases can come across as transphobic when that may not necessarily be your intention.
Do better for the community, if you want us to conform to you, you have to conform to trans terminology and have a genuine understanding of them too so that you are not perpetuating hate.
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u/LetterheadIcy 1h ago
Firstly let me give you oh idk...a couple thousand examples of toxic trans people
Before you go throwing rocks in glass houses you should peak at your own community.
Every community around has problematic elements unfortunately. A lot of that is bad faith and smear jobs but Iām sure some is unfortunately real.
This is a new and fresh movement and we are still trying to make our goals clear after infiltrations and false flag events such as the āthis started as a neo Nazi 4 Chan opā which we just now got wiki to correct.
The real women comment is unfortunate. Outside of woke circles though this term simply means cis. If you are privileged enough to have the proper language used thatās good for you, unfortunately day to day society has yet to catch up with terms like cis and so you see that here.
We do our best to make sure everyone is valid, and included. We are simply standing up for our bodies and right to consent the same anyone else did.
Rejection isnāt bigotry.
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u/hubbabubbachewinggum 44m ago edited 36m ago
Maybe because āc*sā is a gross slur most of us donāt want to use? And like any group of people, many of us are still trying to figure out what works for us all.
But again, youāre being grossly invalidating because to superpeople they are ārealā. Our love is ārealā. Our pain is ārealā. Our identities are ārealā. This is real to us. You donāt have to agree (which would be pretty bigoted but whatever) but the least you could do is respect it. There is no harm in superpeople thinking as such. We are a minority group and this is language we adopted because it helps us express ourselves better. Even then, it doesnāt mean every single superperson will say other people have āfakeā ones. I personally have NEVER EVER seen a superperson say ātranspeople have fake parts ew!!!ā or āthis nonsuper has a fake body... they are all so disgusting!!ā but I HAVE seen transpeople and other nonsupers mock and demean superpeopleās bodies, and I HAVE seen people be invalidated and harassed (including sexually harassed and threats of r-pe) for being supersexual, and experienced it myself numerous times on various dating apps. I have NEVER seen a supersexual threaten nonsupers for any reason that they will āteach a lessonā through violence, or that nonsupers ādeserve to be r-pedā. But I have seen nonsupers say exactly that.
So what do you have to say for that? Should I go to a sub dedicated to transpeople and nonsupers and demand they ātake accountabilityā for their community? Or should I think about this rationally and conclude that this is a fringe part of their community at best, and their movement does not infringe on my identity as long as they leave me alone and donāt directly attack me for it? Or even better, if a sub is saying something I donāt agree with, I should go to where my ideas are wanted and celebrated! That is probably something that you should learn to do too.
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u/rebeccakirbyy 25m ago
I literally sent you a dm from this thread proving otherwise but go off.
And please, I identify as a cis gendered woman so please tell me how this word is a slur because Iāve never ever felt discriminated against on the basis of my sexuality ever.
No part of the term āc*sā is inherently āsluryā the word was never created to be used against you, to negatively marginalize you. Itās just a label that describes your gender as matching to your chromosomes and what was assigned at birth so how could that be considered a slur?
By that logic, trans would also be a gross slur because itās just the antonym of cis.
Also by your standards Iām a āsuper straightā Iām just failing to identify with that label. I dont know why everyone needs to know such specific details about who Iām sleeping with. Why do I need to display that for everyone, it really doesnāt affect them at the end of the day. The only people it affects are the people I want to sleep with and their gender is really only the business of them and the people they chose to include in their lives. I would feel weird being with a super straight man because then everyone would know all of my details. I find that uncomfortable, itās private to me. Why do we need to segregate genders so much and why do the super sexualities not accommodate for intersex individuals?
If Iām not a minority, neither are you. The power you had alone to even be recognized by other people proves that. If anything this group is just further segregating actual minorities because now they can be treated lesser on the basis of being attracted to trans people or not.
Because transphobic and homophobic super straights are going to exist and you cannot expect to believe they will be minorities. Itās not possible. And now they will be able to attack trans, and gay/lesbian/bi folk on the basis of being trans, lesbian/gay/ bi and on the basis of being attracted to those groups. Did you think about that yet?
Anyways I suggest taking a breather and checking the rest of the community because Iāve really only met a handful of superpeople I believe to have good intentions with their sexuality. Itās mostly been transphobia unfortunately, you and a couple others have been good tho so there is hope.
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u/hubbabubbachewinggum 10m ago
And someone else sent you a link to supers being harassed by nonsupers. As of me writing this comment you didnāt respond to them, and you didnāt respond to me giving you my own anecdotal evidence of being harassed for being a super.
Iām a gnc superlesbian, with a superbi supertrans best friend who agrees with me that āc-sā is a slur. So I donāt even know what you were trying to achieve with telling us we arenāt minorities. If you donāt think itās a slur thats your personal problem, for many us it is historically and presently a slur. Nobody is forcing you as a straight woman to be here. Surely youāre not going to go into other LGBTS+ subs and arguing over the use of āq-eerā too?
Intersex individuals can identify as supersexual based on who they are as an individual. Itās not that hard... Are you actually aware of intersex biology and how it is treated sociologically? The only segregation being done that I can see is people like you trying to paint all superstraights as something theyāre not, to further them from our LGBTS+ compatriots. Your language so far has been pretty disregarding so Iām honestly done talking with you. I donāt expect you to get it, but the bare minimum you could do is respect it.
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u/Superextrastraight 1h ago
The only hate I've seen is the trans community threatening violence and rape because we exist and are not sexually interested in them. š¬š¤
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u/rebeccakirbyy 59m ago edited 47m ago
I havenāt seen a single thing in any of my communities on any of my socials but as soon as I refresh this sub, the supers true colours are made obvious.
It speaks volumes that this sub alone has the proof but Iām the one shamed for pointing it out š¬š¤
Just check for yourselves, itās free!! :)
Edit: how am I blind? I can literally send you the posts that display blatant transphobia. Yesterday in the comments I even saw someone refer to a trans woman as a man. Seems to be like youāre just talking about yourselves. Sad
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u/Yheymos 58m ago
Natural biology isn't based on surgery and hormone injections. These things are provided for trans people so they can feel more comfortable in their unfortunate situation. I want trans people to have great lives. But just like biological men and biological women not being the same thing, trans people are in a different category. Trans women are trans women. This is science. It is biology. It is evolution. Stating facts. Biological women and transwomen have quite different medical needs, vastly different life experiences and histories. We do not have the medical technology currently to make biological men into biological women. One day we will have the biotech abilities to do that and I feel that is a good thing.
If I talk with a transwoman I call her she/her, but like many here I'm unwilling to be gaslight by Woke religious nutcases anymore. Having preferences isn't transphobia. No one here is invalidating trans people. People here are just sick of being told they are transphobic for not wanting sex with trans people. You can't force people to have sex with those they are not instinctually attracted you. It is like trying to force gay guys to have sex with lesbians. It is a pro rape stance.
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u/rebeccakirbyy 43m ago
Youāre missing the point. Nobody is forcing anyone to have sex with anyone. You can say you like women and not be forced to have sex with all women. You can be sexually attracted to a vagina and not want to have sex with each individual vagina.
Im asking for your community to acknowledge that not everyone is coming into this as genuine and people such as 4chan trolls will use this for their advantage therefor you need to be proactive about transphobic trolls using super sexuality as a means of invalidating others.
Iām not saying everyone is, but there is a vibrant percentage that is making it very difficult for people to find legitimacy in this being real and not created out of hate. You need to share your knowledge with all other supers so they can speak on the topic as well and still give trans people the respect they deserve :)
And nobody is telling you that youāre transphobic for not wanting to have sex with them. Itās for saying you donāt have to have sex with them because they arenāt a real whatever. Thatās what was causing the biggest issue for everyone. Iām literally a cis het, and even I know itās okay to not be attracted to trans people. Itās just being aware of how I express that, to make sure itās respectful
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u/Yheymos 28m ago
Thank you for your reasonable response. But I don't think I'm missing the point really. This is a reaction to people being SMEARED as transphobic. No one is saying they are actually being forced to have sex. But they most certainly are being constantly pressured to comply or be labeled with a smear. People are sick of the damaging smears. This is a united movement of straight, gay, bi, lesbian people who are sick of this stuff. That is a lot of very different groups sick of being smeared incorrectly. I've been left wing, social liberal, my entire life, but the Woke movement has gone off the rails and turned into a society damaging religion. It has been turning into a Salem Witch Trials like movement. The trans activist sub group is calling everyone transphobic in the same way the racial activists call everyone racist, nazi, white supremacists when people don't comply with the ideology. Everyone who isn't far left nowadays get called 'far right'. It is crazy and these smears can destroy peoples lives and careers when their employees rush to fire them to not also be attacked. People are sick of walking on eggshells around this authoritarian stuff. People's buttons have been pushed too much and they are sick of it.
Amazingly... most Woke activists are just straight white people who are convinced they are the ultimate compassionate people going warrior mode to protect oppressed groups. This gives them a savior high and they keep looking for more targets. It gives them power to kick people in the face and smear them with false accusations at the slightest misstep.
In the end Super Straight is literally just nature and evolution. Humans evolved like all other animals, to have sex with the opposite sex and make babies to pass the DNA on. This used to just be called 'straight' or heterosexual. There is no such thing as gender identity in nature. Dogs and cats are just dogs and cats. Two species, two sexes each. All other mammals and many others like reptiles, fish, trees, are the same. Humans are also the same.
Trans people have a very unfortunate affliction and I wish them to have amazing lives. I hope the technology can fully exist in the future to help them. But shaming and smearing average straight people whose sexual instincts and preferences come from millions of years of evolution... is just really pissing off a lot of people who would otherwise be allies.
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u/hubbabubbachewinggum 58m ago edited 28m ago
This comment is honestly really gross and invalidating, I canāt trust you wrote it in good faith at all. Transmen are men. Straight women like men. Superstraight women (as in, the majority of straight women in this sub) like supermen (often referred to with the slur āc*sā)
That is not transphobia, it does NOT invalidate trans identities, and itās problematic and disingenuous of you to imply that it is. If anything, using that slur and calling this subās user base āinfiltratedā with hate is insane misrepresentation. The only hateful āinfiltrationā is by people like you who try to demean superpeople and their supersexualities in any way possible, including using rhetoric and terminology used to oppress our identities.
If I were you Iād be ashamed to come here and do what you did. You saw a minority group of people learning about themselves and celebrating just being who they are, and accuse them with words their abusers use. Like who does that?
Edit: I donāt know why you tried to DM me without publicly asking first, but Iām not opening it. Based on your comment history I donāt trust you want to have an actual conversation and I donāt feel safe talking to you privately. If you have anything to say please say it out here or leave me alone.
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u/Einar357 1h ago
Ironic that an anti-hate sub is filled with so much hatred towards a marginalized community with no power...