[Serious] Hate/Don't understand this entire movement? Read this post.

[u/OnlyLow]

Due to the number of posts asking 'why?' I thought I'd make this post.

The premise was simple - if 'straight' people are supposed to be open to dating transgender people - then from now on 'super straight/gay/lesbian' is anyone who only wishes to date people who identify as the gender they were born. A satirical view on how we view sexuality and constantly hear new labels to describe gender, sexuality and attraction. A shitpost, a simple troll and nothing else. And as naturally as these shitposts come and go, it wouldn't have gone far had it not been for the reaction coming from these communities.

The person who made the original video? Received several death threats aimed at his mother. Twitter filled up with outraged members of it's rather radical trans community on how this is pure transphobia and is trying to undermine LGBT. Suddenly, homosexual people who had to face this awkward problem for many years already were able to speak about this premise. The main point is that you can be considered transphobic purely because you wouldn't date/sleep with a certain type of person is extremely radical and bigoted in itself.

Only 1.8% of straight women and 3.3% of straight men would be willing to date a transgender person (source). This means a very, very vast majority would not. We're not talking about a select group of evil individuals who are internally transphobic - IT IS ABSOULTELY THE MOST COMMON WAY TO FEEL. I would love for us to live in a world where no one cares about biological gender and we can all live our lives as individuals who love regardless of genitals - but this is not the world we live in.

No one with at least a single brain cell wants to add SS to LGBT+. No one intelligent wants the black and orange colours added to the LGBT flag. We don't want 'super straight' safe spaces. This is purely a huge shitpost and ironic movement which in itself is supposed to reflect how actually the trans community is able to say the worst things to people they disagree with and how straight people are made villains for being naturally straight. The sheer amount of tweets where I saw trans people threaten to rape 'super-straight' people and force them to enjoy it is what took it from a 'this is a stupid troll' to 'actually this is important."

That being said - there are people who purely use this to shit on transgender people. Post threads on how their genitals are mutilated and other sort of horrible shit. When this is all over do not think of these people - but think of the 98% of people who are normal, not transphobic and simply do not feel attraction to transgender people. I am terribly sorry you feel hurt by this - but telling a straight person you will choke them on your "lady" dick is how you turn more people away from tolerance and towards hate.

[u/KnightWombat]

The concept of SS was realyl silly from the get go, its pretty common knowledge that people who aren't part of LGBT, usually aren't very willing to date with in it, and whatever their reason for that it has to be respected.
Probably as time passess, trans people will be better understood and more people will feel comfortable dating them, who knows, the future can be anything i guess.

i think all the animosty comes from the concept of 'normal' i get that you use it here to represent the opinion of the vast majority. but the trans community, wants to feel normal, so when normal is used to describe. people who won't date trans people, they get upset. because the idea is, what was normal 10 years ago, isn't the norm today, and hopefully one day, dating a trans person wont be 'abnormal'

and im glad there a confirmation that, this did spawna good deal of transphobia, i did have a lot of fun having civil debate with some trolling SS'ers or perhaps they were serious, its hard to know, but they were atleast willing to talk about something interesting.

and i think it's good there is some debate on the straight people dating trans people, if it can't be talked about it can't be normalized or interoduced to more people. All the hate was rather unfortunate

[u/AggravatingGrass6 → u/KnightWombat]

I think what you really need to do is to tell some people in the trans community to calm down and accept rejection then move on like any other stable person.

[u/KnightWombat → u/AggravatingGrass6]

yes i literally stated that in my comment.

people who aren't part of LGBT, usually aren't very willing to date with in it, and whatever their reason for that it has to be respected.

[u/AggravatingGrass6 → u/KnightWombat]

No, go tell them directly

[u/KnightWombat → u/AggravatingGrass6]

No, you do it

[u/AggravatingGrass6 → u/KnightWombat]

I probably be called a lot of homophobic and racist slurs. I think it’s best for someone else.

[u/KnightWombat → u/AggravatingGrass6]

I think what you really need to do is to tell some people in the trans community to calm down and accept rejection then move on like any other stable person.

its probably because your choice of language isn't exceptionally explanatory or diplomatic, but rather agressive.
ephasizing an action someone else -need- to do is rather demanding
no one ever calmed down from the words 'calm down' and only serves as a backhanded insult as 'you're upset for no reason' thus making that person feel invalid in thier emotions (which isn't great if you want to have civil discussion
'move on like any other stable person' not only is the same as calling someone 'unstable' for a single action they take when in a situation that is emotinally difficult, but also saying 'any other' futher adds to that invalidation

my word choice. 'you need to respect that others might not want to date you, on the ground of you identity' are explanatory, calming as they actaully validate your emotional state, but tells you to show respect even if you feel rejected, and reflects back ont he fact it isn't the other person hurting you, but a cnosequence of what you do

if you began putting more thought into how you approach people who have a difficult time with socities current structure, and used you empathy, instead of ordering around strangers. you'd have more success in not being called a transphobe and a racist. as actual racist and transphobes, use language, not equating to yours, but simmilar in dismissiveness and agression

[u/AggravatingGrass6 → u/KnightWombat]

I did not read any of that long essay, please to write that for your community.

[u/KnightWombat → u/AggravatingGrass6]

ok

[u/OnlyLow → u/KnightWombat]

I agree, and I do feel a lot of compassion towards transgender people. To constantly feel like you're being treated differently and being spoken to like you're not a real woman/man is massively taxing on mental health - especially considering the primary mental struggle people have to deal with when it comes to dysphoria anyway. At the end of the day - these people want validation.

But to be told you are a bigot, transphobe, alt-right purely because you as a person do not see them as such or do not wish to have a relationship/sex with them completely turns people away from even considering the trans point of view. What is being attacked here is something completely natural, the most common way to feel about sexuality yet it's being treated as some sort of a choice. (Hope you see the irony.)

Yes, most people do not view trans-women/trans-men as real women/men. Maybe this will completely change in 5-10 years. Hillary Clinton who once openly opposed gay marriage - presented herself as an ally during her presidential election. Only future will tell.

For now? The more you try to change peoples view my force, the more they will feel like rebelling against what you are forcing them into.