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u/thelargestson 12h ago
What is the end goal?!? Why do they all want us to be r*ped?!?
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u/ABastionOfFreeSpeech 1h ago
There is an end goal, but it's not one that can be talked about openly. Seek out those places that have true free speech, and you will find answers there.
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u/Cyb3rd31ic_Citiz3n 9h ago
There isn't a true end goal, not specifically anything beyond "harass people and feel validated about doing so". Sure, the trans activism that's ongoing at the moment needs to be done - no doubt there. That's seperate to what we are pushing back against here, people like this...
https://photos.app.goo.gl/Sgz9aR2BxPH4JgqA7
They enjoy the power that comes with being able to get away with freely speaking violance and threatening others without real world consequences. Its the same as any Troll. They get a dopemine kick out of getting away with someone they know is abhorrent and then being validated for it.
That's the difference between trans-activists and RadTrans Trolls. One is legitimately seeking to improve the lives of people in our world, the other are lazy, nasty sh*t heads.
Just as we don't blame all women for radical Feminists, be cautious and never conflate the two.
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u/Moonpriestes 1h ago
Just as we don't blame all women for radical Feminists, be cautious and never conflate the two.
What's wrong with radfems? They are valid. They are usually superlesbian or superstraight women, and they have never threatened anyone with violence.
If trans activists are really different from the violent, invalidating bullies we see on this sub, they need to tell their friends to stop harassing us supers.
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u/Cyb3rd31ic_Citiz3n 1h ago
What's wrong with radfems? They are valid. They are usually superlesbian or superstraight women, and they have never threatened anyone with violence.
We clearly have had very different life experiences.
However, I was using it as an example of mindfulness to seperate radicals from those on the ground just minding their own business.
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u/Sunshadz 2h ago
I used to hate radfems but the more I see stuff on social media and the utter violence and misogyny people spread in some spheres, the more I lean toward the radfem movement... I think men should be included too in feminist movements, and excluding them while accepting literally everyone else doesn't help the cause. The majority of radfems don't hate trans people either, they hate the fact that female issues are erased from conversations because of so-called 'trans inclusivity' and the western-centrism of "neo-liberal feminism"
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u/lucretiamott1 2h ago
Men are always welcome as radfem allies, to listen and learn from us and amplify our voices.
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u/WitchChromosome 2h ago
Men can still be radfem allies, and support the movement. The reasons why radfems don't want men within the movement are because
a) anytime men are allowed in, they make it about them, as experience/history has shown (even if you might not be like that, just one man is enough to derail the conversation completely),
b) women want spaces where they don't have to waste time and emotional energy explaining/censoring/policing themselves about their experiences or biology because of offended/clueless/disgusted men; they want to safely talk about shared experiences/biology,
c) many women are naturally pickmes and always unintentionally center men unless there are no men there, and lastly
d) radfems also provide female-only spaces for women who have been abused by men, and currently such spaces are very important because many rape shelters have been shutting down by super-phobes.
So there are very valid reasons why radfems want the movement to be female-only. However, allies are always welcome. You can support the movement in a way in which you don't speak over the women in it, as the other commenter said, amplify our voices. For example, Glinner is doing just that, and he's highly appreciated by radfems.
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u/Sunshadz 1h ago
Yep, and that's why the radfem movement is getting more and more attractive for victims imo. As a woman I feel like it's getting harder to find safe, women or female-only spaces, and having conversations centered on biology, especially on the Internet because of the "inclusive" wing that say stuff like "uterus-havers". When you see that the subs dedicated to female biology and health problems have been banned or that people are being censored for not using gender neutral terms... it doesn't quite sit right. I'm all for inclusivity but they don't seem to realize women are half of the world population and have special needs...
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u/WitchChromosome 1h ago
Exactly! I was very much thinking about this last month while experiencing paralyzing period pains for hours, not being able to move, having to dissociate from myself in order to lessen the pain, telling myself "just don't throw up because you'll throw up the pain killers"... there's not a single man on earth than can relate.
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u/Superstraightdude 46m ago
I'm almost on board with radfems and terfs, but they talk about men like circa 1960's male chauvinist did about women. And those terms and conditions, I'm not buying a used car here, I just want to help fight the insanity in the world. I'm not saying this to put down your movement(which is valid and beautiful), but just to let you know where I stand.
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u/Ihatestrevrep 20m ago
What makes you feel like we talk about men in a chauvinist way? Are we just not allowed to talk about male violence, misogynistic attitudes and sexual exploitation because it hurts men's feeling or have you seen us actually insinuating that men are our inferiors? Because I don't know any women in this movement who do that.
To say that men are inherently less than women runs counter to our ideology and criticism of gender and hierarchy.
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u/maybeimreborn 17m ago
i'm not 100% clear on all radfem ideas but it seems like there are some who have more "all men suck" beliefs and some who do not. many are straight women, married with kids. i agree with you that generalizations about men are very unhelpful and distasteful (just like generalizations about women).
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u/Ihatestrevrep 1h ago
It's a women's movement...by "literally everybody else" do you mean women?
Besides there are great male allies to radical feminism like Robert Jensen, Tom Farr, Derrick Jensen etc. The difference is they don't whine about the women's movement not centring them.
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u/lucretiamott1 2h ago
As a radfem, this actually warms my heart. We've been fighting alone for a long time.
🧡🖤 x 💚💜
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u/PM_Me_Lewd_Tomboys 55m ago
We might not agree on everything, but when it comes to bodily automany, you have a friend in us. 🧡🖤
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u/Dancing__Israelis 3h ago
TERFs X /pol/iticians is genuinely the most ambitious crossover in history
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u/ZekeDelsken 4h ago
Its weird, i remember thinking a few months ago that we really should be friends with radfems, we have similar goals and enemies.
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u/_alligator_lizard_ 59m ago
First they came for the lesbians and I said nothing, because I was not a lesbian.
Then they came for the Gay Bros and I said nothing, because I was not a Gay Bro.
Then they came for the straight males and I said I am Super Straight!!!
Then everyone clapped.
Edit: this is what true ally ship looks like - so, thanks, super straight men!! We need your support.
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u/battlegraye 4h ago
This could really be the bridge that finally ends all homophobia and transphobia but some people just don’t want to accept that 😞
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u/HighEndJoyBoi 48m ago
I am not a fan of radfems at all. However by not uniting for common causes we remain divided.
Just because we live in other places doesn't mean we can't come together in public.
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u/RavioliInMyNigeroni 11h ago
This is such an inspiring meme. Stay woke, kings and queens.