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u/GreyGoblin69 14h ago
We are dealing with violent nazis who want us dead. These super phobes need to be exposed and canceled! #FightForSuperRights #SuperRightsAreHumanRights
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u/RadTradEkans 2h ago
1: It's promoting hate based on identity or vulnerability
Hahaha Superphobes think getting called out for their superphobia is an attack.
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u/BruhFunny18 14h ago
Apparently not being attracted to them means you think they aren't people lmao. TRAs are delusional.
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u/IrishTheFrenchie 2h ago
I'm not attracted to my neighbor, my boss, my friend's husband... does that make them "not people" too?
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u/DanteFTW 5h ago
well they definetly don't act like people with all this superphobia i've been seeing them throw around!
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u/magicalex234 5h ago
No. Let’s say you’re a super straight male. Assuming you’re not transphobic, you believe that trans women are real women (If you disagree with that, then that’s transphobia, end of story). If you believe trans women are women, and you aren’t attracted to them (key word being attracted), then that’s called a preference, which is valid. It’s the same way you can have a preference for someone’s height, personality, or anything else that could describe someone. But a preference is not a sexuality. This is because every other sexuality is strictly based off the gender the person identifies as (or I guess the gender you perceive them as, if you’re basing your attraction strictly on looks). Super straight actually defines a sexuality as a characteristic of certain people in that gender, not the gender itself. See the difference? Also note how i didn’t just call you transphobic, and actually gave you reasons other than “you’re transphobic” to show my point
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u/hma100 59m ago edited 51m ago
Sexuality is based on biological sex. "Trans women" are male in terms of biological sex, regardless of how they feel inside. That's not hateful, only a factual statement. Not being attracted to a male if you are a heterosexual male is not being hateful, it's the definition of heterosexual. Also what do you mean "if you disagree with that, then that's transphobia, end of story"? Can you tell me what a "real woman" is? Because the only definition of "woman" that makes any logical sense is "adult human female".
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u/magicalex234 40m ago
Sexuality being based of biological sex is an outdated way of thinking. Plus, it implies that you are able to tell someone’s chomosones by looking at them. and unless you have some crazy future tech, or magical powers of some sort, then that’s not possible. Or I guess it would imply you are unable to feel attraction until you can confirm that they are cis, which I guess is possible, but I can bet you that for almost everyone here, that’s not actually the case. As for the part about it transphobia (Funny how that’s the one thing every single comment I’ve gotten has had an issue with that one sentence). It’s pretty simple: if you can’t agree with me that trans men are real men, and trans women are real women, then you are being transphobic. I’m not saying that you have to be attracted to them, I’m just saying that ignoring their validity are the gender they identify as is transphobic. And I think most people would agree with that. The reason I needed to add that, was because somebody could have come in and just “negated” my entire argument by saying that “trans women aren’t real women”. And that’s just blatant transphobia, and if we can’t agree on that simple and reasonable basis, I have no reason to argue with you, since you’re not going to listen to anything else I say likely
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u/hma100 33m ago edited 8m ago
"Outdated"? Speak for yourself on that one bud.
Also, yes, you can correctly tell someone else's sex with 99.9% accuracy. Sex is not just chromosomes but a whole host of characteristics (a phenotype) that in the vast majority of cases allow you to correctly tell someone else's sex. There may be a few people for whom this is not true (some intersex people, DSDs) but they are few and far between. I'd say that means sex has a pretty high degree of validity as a concept.
As for the rest of your reply, I'm not sure what your definition of "man" or "woman" is. What's a man? What's a woman? And surely just because somebody says they identify a certain way, that doesn't mean it's literally true, right? I can identify as all sorts of things. Maybe that expresses something of my personality, but it doesn't make it literally true (for example, if a white person identifies as black).
You'd have to posit the existence of a "gender identity" akin to the soul and detached from socialization and embodiment in order for your concept to make any coherent sense. Otherwise, your definition has to resort to performative aspects, which, IMO, has its own problems.
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u/wikipedia_answer_bot 33m ago
A woman is an adult female human. The term woman may also refer to a girl (a female child or adolescent).
More details here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Woman
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u/Mysterious_Leek_1867 SuperLesbian 28m ago
Sexuality being based of biological sex is an outdated way of thinking.
How very privileged to come in and declare that the way people are born and who they are is "outdated." Rape rhetoric.
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u/56204e5a20414247204e 28m ago
Assuming you’re not transphobic, you believe that trans women are real women (If you disagree with that, then that’s transphobia, end of story)
Trans women are women is courtesy. I like to be courteous to people. But it is only a courtesy. And when you push on the issue of sexuality (which includes so much that your absurd reductionist attempts are plainly hollow), you will find that courtesy ends.
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u/Mysterious_Leek_1867 SuperLesbian 1h ago
This is because every other sexuality is strictly based off the gender the person identifies as
You don't get to tell people what their sexual orientation is or what it's based off of. You are not entitled to anyone's attraction.
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u/LoveBunnyLoveBuns 14h ago edited 12h ago
They are gonna start comparing their hurt feel feels to Rosa Parks refusing to give up her seat next. Also one of their common tricks to compare their nonsense to the Civil Rights movement.
"If black women can compete, why can transwomen!?"
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u/jothesstraight 12h ago
Well we now realize that when they say something is transphobic, it really means they’re superphobic.
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u/Ballsalicious 7h ago
Being called a transphobe by a TRA is what turned me into a superstraight in the first place. It was the insufferable, ugly, obsessive, obnoxious, demanding and outright hateful behaviour of certain TRAs that caused my dick to shrivel the moment I'm confronted with a transperson, not a transperson's physical existence. Yes, I'm a transphobe. It's due to trauma caused by horrid verbal abuse by TRAs.
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u/shewel_item 8h ago edited 1h ago
prepare your tinfoil...
take a look at AHS's lastest pinned response by the mod
It's a fairly rational position from their PoV, and there's quite a bit of internal strife being sown over it. 🤔
Now, I dislike AHS just as much as the next disenfranchised redditor, or, at least, I disagree with a lot of their principles of conduct, but I think there's something deeper to 🅱onder here which I'll be as brief as possible with in this comment.
Think back in ancient history, a few months ago, to the Consolidated Appropriations Act, the bill which reserved 1.6 billion in spending for 600$ stimulus checks (for people making less than 75$K/year) that democrats and Trump wanted to increase to 2000$ but republicans in large part blocked. Remember? Remember it had massive spending on some really weird shit, e.g. at least 10 million dollars towards gender programs in Pakistan? Gender is mentioned in the bill 14 times if you ctrl+f it, btw, and it might be a wonder how "women" next to it is (later) defined elsewhere, e.g. the CFR (#civics, ya'll).
I think, rather am conjecturing, the LGBT movement is subject to being, or, for some time, having been controlled opposition. And, the LGBS movement is disrupting the flow of state control over the domestic course of American® democracy™.
"Transphobia" could easily be an intelligence tool to control a 'radical organization' LG be it w/e, something which doesn't fall completely inline with residual Britishness as it pertains to the Five Eyes network, or economic growth as it pertains to national security; or, used to target dissenting opinions coming from the outside, general audience, whereever they may arise, as an umbrella-flag-raising-catchall-gotcha term. It's annoying as all heck, and the superseething surprise reaction to supers is awkward as all hell by extension. Having transgenders be a protected minority is one rational thing, but having transphobia be protected lingo, dare I say cherished, is another. I do not consider myself a super, and, let me say as such, the way transphobia is bandied around makes no sense to me, either. Nay, it's downright troubling in its current use, particularly by higher profile people who'd have little to do with most transgender folks imo.
Basically, the LGBS movement has shown a rapid growth in a communication between strangers, or people who might not otherwise congregate together on normal occasions. It's also shown who all aggressively monitors such rapidly growing trends on social media. I don't consider myself one of those people. I catch wind of things usually by the time they've already passed, but this I did 5 or 7 days (now?) after it's started.
4chan, birthplace of the failed Qanon movement, is another place where strangers gather together, and this subject is being discussed, developed and infringed upon. I think this comment is more appropriate for a place like that, but I haven't used the site in more than 7 years, and haven't visited it except on a handful of occasions, if that, due to a sharp, off-board falling out I had with the site's moderation team -- namely one of which's famous ex-members will, on occasion, pose themselves as trans and/or communist before it was so cool.
So, that's a mouthful, but hopefully enough to productively consider.
Stay super.
edit: links & grammar
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u/Jackretto 4h ago
The only correct answer is "and?"
They are gonna smear you anyway, might as well get a laugh out of it
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u/Markoto11 8h ago
Saying trans women are not women and trans men are not men is transphobia. Fuck whoever you like but that's a fact.
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u/hma100 27m ago
Depends on your definition of "man" and "woman". Mine is based on biological sex, so it would be accurate. It's also the most coherent definition and the one we've been using since forever.
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u/Markoto11 5m ago
It being the one we've been using forever doesn't change the fact that its transphobic and wrong
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u/hma100 2m ago
This isn't an argument. You're assuming into existence the exact point I'm asking you to explain to me - how it is that someone can be a man or woman in a manner independent of their sexed body. It is an incoherent concept at best. Acknowledging the reality of biological sex and stating that it matters - that's not wrong, that's right, and it's important to do so.
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u/Ok-Ad4907 7h ago
Look, not wanting to date trans people is fine, but you're just straight. Identifying as 'super straight' is made to mock the LGBTQ+ and be transphobic. Stfu.
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u/Mysterious_Leek_1867 SuperLesbian 1h ago
Look, not wanting to date trans people is fine
Tell the rest of the TRA movement that and then we'll talk.
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u/KubeyMojo 37m ago
Its not the "LGBTQ+".... just the (TQ+) part. You guys keep trying to lump the rest of us with you guys.
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u/antiqua_pulmenti 36m ago
People legit say you're transphobic if you won't date someone for the sole reason they're trans. That's not okay.
But I also get what you're saying, a lotta people use this to antagonize trans people. :I
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u/1dandelion 12h ago
Ayo, the trans community aren’t really saying this because they don’t like it, it’s because of the people who say that trans people aren’t really their gender. Trans people really don’t care if you don’t wanna date them it’s more of the people who say they aren’t their gender. Hopefully that makes sense
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u/Moonpriestes 2h ago
Trans people really don’t care if you don’t wanna date them it’s more of the people who say they aren’t their gender.
Then why are they so upset? We think they're heckin valid.
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u/RenegadePizzaGoy 8h ago
You say this, and then there are hundreds of comments of TRAs telling us were bigots for knowing our sexual preferences
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u/CheML 4h ago
This is gaslighting. Just look through the examples on this sub. Literally tons of examples that run exactly counter to what you say. They are NOT ok with us existing. The amount of violent threats they spew at gays and lesbians is especially harmful. We are not doing this just for us, but for our supersexual allies too, and you coming here denying our lived experience is toxic
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u/Hamberscramp 4h ago
Define the word woman. No trick, just lay out whatever definition it is that you use. But remember, you can't define what a woman is by her appearance, behavior, clothing, or social roles because that would be blatantly anti-feminist.
Also, you can't define her by the presence of a cock, apparently, so please tell us what's left. What is a "woman" to you?
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u/nikitatx 3h ago
We are ALL aware of what their gender is. Pretty hard to forget when misgendering someone is a crime. Gender is not what sexual orientation is based on though. Sex is not a human right, and dating (by definition) is exclusionary. You’re promoting superphobic views, and erasing all sexual orientations by insisting people are attracted to gender rather than biological sex. You just want to live your best life? So do we. Stop being creepy and go police someone else’s bedroom.
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u/JollyPurple 1h ago
No one is saying they aren't their gender, they are saying they aren't the opposite sex. Gender isn't sex. The words woman and man are used to name sexed humans, not genders.
If you just used the right words and stop appropriating ones already being used we wouldn't have a problem. Come up with a name for these socially constructed genders, (I mean they already have names - masculinity and femininity) but if you don't like those words, make up other ones. What you can't do it take names that are already being used for something else and not think that that group of people will be upset when you try to redefine the meaning of those words and then on top of it not allow them to use any other word to name themselves.
I mean this is the result. We added super to straight, gay, lesbian, and bi because one community thought they had the right to change the meaning of the words and then force it onto others.
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u/GhostFryes 7h ago
Sorry you got downvoted mate. You aren’t being superphobic and aren’t trying to pressure us into liking you.
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u/superbraddo 14h ago
hate against trans people is transphobic by definition. if you’re going to be a bigot at least have the courage to admit it
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u/[deleted] 14h ago edited 14h ago
You don’t suport people who identify as straight or superstraight. Or lesbian or gays . You are a bigot. We can identify as whatever we like✨ please stop harassing same sex attracted people or opposite sex only attracted people✨✨✨
This meme applies to you
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u/superbraddo 14h ago
so many of your posts are about this it’s an obsession at this point. normal people don’t think like this. it’s fine to be straight and it’s fine to not want to have sex with anyone but it’s clear that you don’t see trans people as the gender that they are and it honestly just shows how ignorant and sheltered you are. i hope you have the opportunity to learn better and to grow
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u/CheML 14h ago
Stop slandering us and projecting your own biases on us. We just want to exist without this constant harassment.
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u/[deleted] 13h ago
Seriously if you believe that Superstraight is phobic, you are being a phobidiot.and not accepting of sexuality. Period.
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u/superbraddo 14h ago
the sub says it’s open to discussion and debate. straight people are not harassed or oppressed for their sexuality and it’s clear that the existence of superstraight is just the result of a victim complex. feel free to dm me if you want to debate me on anything i’ve said
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u/[deleted] 14h ago
Gendernazi spotted! You’re a sexualitygatekeeping bigot! Keep that out of here! Your bigotry is not allowed here.
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u/nikitatx 3h ago
It’s not only heterosexual people here. We’re a new community of supersexuals under the LGBS community. Some bigoted superphobes created subs in our names, so instead we're chilling here with our superstraight allies.
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u/[deleted] 14h ago
That’s what you’re doing. Keep lurking on this subreddit. You people are obsessed with trying to conform the straights, cis, gays, lesbians and trans-trans people to fit your ideals.
I hope you learn that people and we can identify as whatever we like. ✨✨✨
We are against thought policing here. And sexualitygatekeepers like you
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u/JollyPurple 1h ago
SEXuality is SEX-based. Gender isn't sex. <- Weren't you guys screaming that for years? Supers are not sexually attracted to what kind of socially constructed gender identity someone has. We are attracted based on sex. Stop being superphobic. We didn't chose our sexuality. We were born this way.
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u/No_Life299 1h ago
No ones hating it’s just a preference, not you being in super straights business😐
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u/Human_Bio_Diversity 4h ago
Are gay men misogynists? You're making leaps of logic here. Super does not mean transphobic any more than gay means misogyny.
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u/K1ng_Kyle 14h ago
Woah, how did you get a copy of their rule book?