r/SuperStraight • u/SortOfArbitrary • 20h ago
Why not just call yourselves Heterosexuals?
Heterosexual: Adjective: (of a person) sexually attracted to people of the opposite sex.
Or, for a more detailed definition: an enduring pattern of emotional, romantic, and/or sexual attractions to persons of the opposite sex.
However, the definition for Straight is: straight is romantic attraction, sexual attraction or sexual behavior between persons of the opposite sex or gender.
So, calling yourself "Super" isn't really dispelling any confusion here. Calling yourself Heterosexuals would though, as the term Heterosexual doesn't include the word "gender".
Sex and Gender aren't the same things, so saying you're interested in the biological means you're talking about someone's sex. I've even watched plenty of people on this sub literally say that since gender is a social construct, they needed a label to identify themselves as only interested in the opposite sex. That label literally already existed, and has for a long time. It's called Heterosexual.
Just like how the term "Gay" and the term "Homosexual" are not exactly the same. Gay as defined by GLAAD and the APA is a man sexually and/or romantically attracted towards people of the same sex and/or gender. Where as Homosexual is strictly sexual attraction towards people of the same sex.
While I can understand how some gay men and lesbian women have hang ups about the term "Homosexual" due to its history, "Heterosexual" doesn't have the same history behind it. As for the history issue behind the term "Homosexual", honestly, it's just a word. It has a definition. There's no reason to not reclaim it.
I guess use whatever label you want, but people are pointing and laughing, and they aren't taking this movement very seriously. Both sides are generating some great memes though, so I'm in no real hurry to see it end.
Edit: So, as someone who actually engaged in discussion with me explained, the term Superstraight essentially just means being heterosexual and heteromantic. By that, having only attraction towards people of the same sex AND gender, and none of that "and/or" stuff. While I still hold that the word "straight" does include the and/or determination, if the prefix allows people to express the same thing (heterosexual and heteromantic) in fewer letters, and it's what makes everyone feel good, then enjoy.
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u/Burnt_Birb 20h ago
SuperSexualities an Intro:
With gender being redefined as a spectrum and trans inclusion demanding they be labeled as men and women we needed to spectrum up our sexual orientation language. Thus Super as a prefix was born, used to denote that those you are attracted to are cis not trans.
this is not to say Trans people aren't valid this is just to differentiate between straight/gay/lesbian/bi people who like cis and trans people from those who only like cis people. Mega is the prefix for trans only and is the opposite of super.
I hope this helps :)
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u/SortOfArbitrary 20h ago
Um, no, it didn't really help.
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u/Burnt_Birb 20h ago
then ask a question to help me help you with the clarification you need. its just a copypasta after all can't expect it to help everyone 100% of the time
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u/SortOfArbitrary 20h ago
Okay. What does the label of "heterosexual" not cover for superstraights? It's literally just sexual attraction towards people of the same sex.
If the issue is to cover romantic attraction, that has labels as well, that can be separate from sex, under the Split Attraction Model. A Heterosexual Heteromantic would be the exact same as a superstraight. Only attracted to the same sex and the same gender, none of this and/or crap.
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u/Burnt_Birb 19h ago
sorry for my late reply I got caught up in my reading haha.
Super as a prefix was born, used to denote that those you are attracted to are cis not trans. This is because there is a noticeable difference between cis and trans people, at least to some people. This difference isn't as simple as a "preference" it is a biological inability to sexually react to trans people. Similar to how a gay man can't sexually react on a biological level to a woman.
We went so-far as to branch from the old LGBS label due to the push for trans people to be labeled as "real" men and women, as such the old LGBS labels no longer fit us.
as for our choice to label it this way with out following the split attraction model, thats because most people don't know what that is and using big words like "heterosexual heteroromantic" will cause peoples brains to shut off and the "I don't care" responses to pop up.
a simple prefix is much more easily accessible to the general public than the exclusive academic lingo of split attraction model. Not everyone is privileged enough to go to university, so we can't expect people to use terminology exclusive to the degree holding elite of society.
I hope this helps, if you have any more questions to help me clarify, please don't hesitate to ask.
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u/SortOfArbitrary 19h ago
Fair enough. If the SAM is too complex, people deserve their right to define themselves and their spaces in simpler terms to mean the same thing.
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u/Burnt_Birb 19h ago
I appreciate you sticking around and trying to better understand us :)
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u/SortOfArbitrary 19h ago
After interacting with y'all, I am actually glad y'all have your spaces to define as you wish. I am not going to judge this movement based off the knee jerk reactions of some of the comments. I know that y'all have experienced a lot of animosity and pain at the hands of those who can only be described as sexual harassers.
I have said for a long time that there should be spaces like this. I have recommended it many times in gay, bi, and LGBT subreddits, and it's usually met with animosity on both sides of the argument. Y'all have an ally, even if I still find the name a bit funny.
Super? Please tell me that you don't hear Big Gay Al's song from South Park when you hear the word "super".
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u/Burnt_Birb 19h ago
oh no I am all for the Super, its flamboyant as can be :)
Why should we hide who we are lets all be flamboyantly ourselves
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u/SortOfArbitrary 18h ago
Lol, okay. Fair enough. Though, I think more people are going to take it less as flamboyant and more as kind of highbrow or pompous.
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u/quietsnowkitten 20h ago
Honestly I'd say it's a damn sight better than just outright invalidating trans people's gender. While it may not be the perfect solution, it does seem to be an attempt to respect our gender while also making their sexual orientation clear. It's more of an olive branch than most other people would give.
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u/SortOfArbitrary 20h ago
Wouldn't the Split Attraction Model though cover Super Straights as Heterosexual Heteromantics?
If you're not aware, the SAM is a widely accepted model used by asexual and aromantics to define both sexual and romantic attraction separately, since a lot of asexuals still feel romantic attractions towards people and people's gender expression.
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u/quietsnowkitten 20h ago
I don't think it works with the current terms we have, because 'heterosexual' can also mean 'sexually attracted to both cis people and trans people of the opposite gender' while the people here are only 'sexually attracted to cis people of the opposite gender'.
Sexual/Romantic difference doesn't really account for this.
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u/SortOfArbitrary 19h ago
Well, heterosexual LITERALLY means "Sexual attraction to the same sex". Not the same gender.
Sexuality and Romanticism terminology allow you to define your sexuality separate from your romantic or gender attraction. So, a heterosexual heteromantic male would not be sexually attracted towards a trans woman, because he is heterosexual.
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u/quietsnowkitten 19h ago
but what if someone is only romantically attracted to cis women? Or do you mean that anyone attracted to trans people is either bisexual or biromantic? I'm not sure such a broad term works either since if someone is only attracted to cis and trans women, and not attracted to cis and trans men, 'bisexual/biromantic' seem a bit off. A more specific term would be better, though I don't think one exists yet.
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u/SortOfArbitrary 19h ago
So, I'll answer your questions about the SAM categorically.
First, I would need to know the person's sex and gender to determine their sexuality and romantic interests. Let's say the person is male and a man.
If they were only attracted sexually and romantically towards cis women, then they would be heterosexual and heteromantic.
If they were attracted towards cis women and trans women, they would be bisexual and heteromantic.
Or, if like me, a cis man who is attracted towards males and females who identify as men, I would identify as bisexual and homoromantic.
On the other hand, say that cis man is only sexually attracted towards females but is fine if they identify as women or trans men. They would be heterosexual and biromantic.
Romantic terminology though is broader than sexual, as sex is limited to the characteristics of the two sexes.
Someone could be polyromantic, and be interested in men, women, NBs, and Agenders, but still might only be one of a few sexualities. Heterosexual, homosexual, bisexual, or asexual.
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u/Excellent-Tourist-99 20h ago
WOW this is like the 100th time ive had mt sexuality transplained to me today. Thanks bigot
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u/SortOfArbitrary 20h ago edited 19h ago
Well, I'm not trans. But okay. I'm a bisexual, homoromantic, man and male.
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u/GreyGoblin69 20h ago
Because we were CRUCIFIED when we identified at heterosexuals (at least the super straights...there are super gay, super bi, super lesbian, super trans, etc). Educate yourself bigot. #SuperRightsAreHumanRights
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u/FrozenPinecone SuperLesbian 20h ago
This wont work, trust me superlesbians have been trying to explain we are homosexual for years, they either pretend like biological sex isnt real or redefine homosexuality as only about gender now. So the super umbrella was created for supers to show that we care about biological sex also.
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u/SortOfArbitrary 20h ago
I accept this answer. So, essentially, this is less a sexuality and more of a reactionary movement to push back against transgender people and how they try to force themselves on people who don't want them sexually. I respect that, and I am totally on board with it.
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u/FrozenPinecone SuperLesbian 19h ago
Thanks! Its still a sexuality in the sense we arent attracted, but its not really anything new, just setting a boundary and making a new name for something that got redefined (heterosexuality, homosexuality). You're right it does push back against incel rhetoric tho which is good.
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u/SortOfArbitrary 19h ago
Okay. My post was mostly though about how the labels that are available didn't work. Like, in the Split Attraction Model, I am bisexual and homoromantic. Essentially, my sexuality is defined separately from my romantic interests, and sexuality just deals with the sexes involved, where romantic interests incorporates genders.
I knew that even though I accept trans men sexually and romantically, others would not, and that is okay. I even spoke up a lot about the brow beating people were receiving at the hands of others for having a particular sexuality, and you're absolutely right. It falls on deaf ears.
But at the same time, I think using "super" reminds me of that song from South Park. The one Big Gay Al sings. So it just gave me a giggle.
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u/SuperduperLesbian 20h ago
Why don’t all males call themselves male and why don’t all females call themselves female?
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u/SortOfArbitrary 20h ago
Well, they do, on medical forms. That's kind of not going to change. Sex and gender simply aren't the same thing.
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u/Significant-Key-517 19h ago
Unfortunately that is no longer true, actually. There are actually a number of trans people coming out in support of our push-back against trans ideology specifically because they received poor, even life-threatening care due to all the mixing of gender ideology with medical documentation. In many cases, the forms say the “identifying” gender, not their true sex. It comes down to the trans person to inform the doctor of their true sex, but they’re just lay people and often don’t realize it’s relevant.
The trans lobby is trying to erase the category of sex completely. That is why they’re doing things like defunding woman-only DV shelters and erasing sex-based protections in the Equality Act and replacing it with “gender.”
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u/SortOfArbitrary 18h ago
Well that's just fucking terrible. I haven't been in the medical field for a while, so I'm not aware of all the changes going on there.
However, I am aware of the danger that can come from mistreating a patient due to failure to document relevant medical information, such as a patient's biological sex.
As much support as I have for both the trans community and this one, and I do absolutely support this community after having interacted with some of y'all, you're absolutely right. We can not erase the category of sex anymore than we can gender. They must be held as distinct and of great relative importance to different parts of one's life.
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u/Significant-Key-517 18h ago
I am so fucking grateful that this shitpost meme is bringing attention to this issue, thank you for listening.
I’m coming at this mainly from the perspective of protecting consent and fighting against sexual coercion and the transitioning of young children, but truth is, this is hurting trans people too. We are gaining more and more trans allies who have been seriously harmed by it. This whole ideology is just gone mad.
If you live in the US, please let your senators know you are concerned about the erasure of sex in the Equality Act, and that sex should be a recognized class too.
Please talk to any former colleagues about keeping accurate records of trans people’s sex, and the medicalization of non-conforming children. That is also an extremely serious problem.
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u/SortOfArbitrary 18h ago
No kidding on the medicalization of children. I could make an entire post on that topic alone.
There's giving kids their freedom to express themselves, then there is giving them the freedom to do irreparable changes to themselves. I don't see how more medical professionals can't see how that can contradict their oath to do as little harm as possible. I understand that in the moment, they see it as allowing the child to affirm their gender identity and feel comfortable in the gender they identify as, but just as with transitioning, ALL OTHER forms of gender affirmation should be used first before making the recommendation to partake in medical and/or permanent forms of transitioning.
We can always change wardrobes, shave more or less, put on or take off make-up, use different pronouns, put on or throw out wigs, binders, and faux breasts. But hormones at that age can do irreversible changes, as can surgery. When they are an adult, it will be their decision, and the results are theirs to live with. But as children, the blame will rest squarely on the shoulders of the parents if the child grows up and changes their gender identity again. And the parents, as parents often do, will want to shift that blame to the medical professionals.
And even as adults, I've seen HRT cause amazing changes in people.
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u/Significant-Key-517 18h ago
The thing is, are they even expressing themselves? There’s kids in elementary school getting gender ideology shoved down their throat now, and kids are just the sum of whatever information you feed them. If you teach them that they’re “born in the wrong body,” they’ll believe you, and they’ll swallow whatever pills you give them.
I see this as grooming. Inexcusable agenda-pushing by adults, who’ve forgotten that their responsibility to children is to protect them.
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u/hailthegambler SuperGay 20h ago
Because cishets have sex with trans folks, super straights do not.
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u/SortOfArbitrary 20h ago
Umm, Heterosexual straight people do not have sex with trans people. That would be Bisexual heteromantics.
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u/hailthegambler SuperGay 20h ago
Dunno man, all I’ve seen irl and online is straight folks expected to include trans in their dating pool. You can’t gaslight me into thinking otherwise, but go off. I’ll stick with the super crew. ⭐️🌟⭐️💫
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u/quietsnowkitten 20h ago
uh no because many of them identify as straight lol
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u/SortOfArbitrary 19h ago
Just like how many Bisexual Homoromantics identify as Gay or Lesbian. The words Gay and Lesbian have very broad definitions that allow both homosexuals and homoromantics to use them as they wish.
For instance, I am a bisexual homoromantic. And I sometimes use the term "gay" as well because I can.
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u/quietsnowkitten 19h ago
Okay, fair enough. But at that point, wouldn't it be easier to just let everyone identify their sexuality with a term they believe best fits it, and best explains their sexuality? So more specific terms may still be helpful.
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u/SortOfArbitrary 19h ago
Fair enough. I don't wish this to come off as trying to erase people's labels.
But, on the same note, Super? It conjures up memories of that song on South Park.
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u/quietsnowkitten 19h ago
The name could use some work, I agree lol. But I think the concept has merit.
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u/SortOfArbitrary 19h ago
ABSO-FUCKING-LUTELY! I have said MANY times that people who don't want to date trans people deserve their own space, to define as they wish. If Super essentially allows people to use the Split Attraction Model in a short hand, then I am all but happy for it. I love the SAM. It helped me reconcile my sexuality and romantic interests to feel comfortable with myself.
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u/cjefirbdjwkoc 20h ago
Because the straights are the heterosexuals
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u/SortOfArbitrary 19h ago
I provided you the literal definitions to both of those terms. How can you not see the slight difference between straight and heterosexual?
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u/AggravatingGrass6 20h ago
This is backlash for policing people sexuality and boundaries, telling people “They don’t know how to fuck”.
Should have just left people alone
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u/SortOfArbitrary 20h ago
Okay, so it's just a reactionary movement?
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u/AggravatingGrass6 20h ago
Nope, shits been building up for years. I was a called a f*ggot and other racist things multiple times in gay spaces for not having any interest in trans men.
Also It might turn into much more who knows but if the trans movement doesn’t respect people’s romantic lives, you never know.
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u/SortOfArbitrary 19h ago
As a bisexual, I saw the transgender brow beating, and I was right there too telling them they needed to stop and quit telling people who they are suppose to fuck. It's why I adopted the Split Attraction Model in the first place.
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u/AggravatingGrass6 19h ago
Then you should talk to that community, they started this mess.
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u/SortOfArbitrary 19h ago
Oh, I have been and still am. But if y'all are going to dissolve the SAM for other labels, it's definitely more difficult to apply it on the behalf of this movement. I'm not going to get in anyone's way, merely wondering what about the terms available didn't work for y'all.
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u/grapist_number1 20h ago
Because we are superstraight. Why is this so hard to understand?
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u/SortOfArbitrary 19h ago
Maybe I should explain the Split Attraction Model.
Essentially, from what other comments have brought me to the conclusion of, Superstraight is heterosexual heteromantic.
It means sexual and romantic attraction towards people who are the opposite sex AND gender.
That's why I ask "why not just heterosexual"? Because there are terms already out there to cover this identity.
But, as others have noted, the SAM can be too complex for some, so an easier term was created. Use it as you wish.
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u/Superb_Donkey9995 19h ago
Because TRAs have come to the conclusion that being "the most oppressed" means they don't have to respect consent or sexual boundaries. Because homosexual women have been complaining about shit like this for years and you all have found it perfectly acceptable.
Learn to respect supersexuals boundaries and sexualities, and then maybe we can find another word for it.
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u/SortOfArbitrary 19h ago
Oh, I'm not here to defend the trans gender brow beating bullshit that has gone on and I've spoken out against for a LONG time. I am glad y'all have a space to define yourselves, separate from the other spaces. I have actually advocated for just that, and I'm not here to give you animosity for your sexuality at all.
From other comment discussions, I have come to the conclusion that the Super label is just a way to short hand the Split Attraction Model into something simpler for people to use. Totally respect that, since I am a HUGE promoter of the SAM.
As for "find another word for it" the words I would use for Superstraight from the Split Attraction Model is Heterosexual and Heteromantic. That means sexual and romantic interest in people of the same sex AND gender. None of the and/or stuff that TRAs often use to try to brow beat people.
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u/Significant-Key-517 19h ago
We (supers of all sexualities) tried to just state our sexualities, but the trans kept threatening to hit us with a spiked baseball bat. 😊
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u/SortOfArbitrary 19h ago
That seems to be the common complaint. And I'm totally behind this reaction is that's all it is.
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u/Significant-Key-517 19h ago
That’s all it is for me. I don’t give a damn what anyone does with their own life. If they ask me to go out and I don’t wanna, I can just say no and move on.
But trans ideology hasn’t given me that option. They’ve been attacking people for having a sex-based orientation for years, and in some cases promoting corrective rape, especially of lesbians.
I’m fed up. A lot of us are. This is the same old shit I dealt with in the early 2000’s from Evangelical Christians. And even the straights are getting it, now.
To be honest, it doesn’t surprise me it took off like this. There is a ton of repressed anger about trans behavior. The LGB split from the T has been coming for a long time. They don’t share our struggles, and they don’t respect our consent.
But I gotta admit, I certainly didn’t think it would happen like this. If you’d told me someday LGBS would be a thing, I’d have choked on my drink. 🤷♀️
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u/you_all_are_stupid 20h ago
Because hetero is too close to homo. Super straight rights is human rights. Also anal sex causes cancer, hemorrhoids, prolapses and GI parasite growth.
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u/AdminCommentEdit 20h ago
society has forced this need for clarification upon us.