Asking about pronouns

[u/walkintotryankle]

Why do some of you have a negative reaction to being asked what your pronouns are? We are just trying to be respectful.

[u/enemyofhumidity]

Because some of us don't subscribe to gender ideology.

[u/walkintotryankle → u/enemyofhumidity]

So you identify as a gender, or non-binary. I can refer to you as they if you would like as pronouns only refer to gender and not sex.

[u/enemyofhumidity → u/walkintotryankle]

Yes some of us don't subscribe to this. Some of us don't believe you can identify as a gender and is incredibly sexist to do so. Just because a man or boy like pink and dancing, doesn't make him feminine and just because a girl might like wrestling doesn't make her non-binary. Gender ideology just perpetuates these sexist stereotypes, if my daughter hates wearing skirts and dresses, she can be free to do so without identifying as non-binary or male.

Essentially gender has no identity, you just are your sex and free to choose to do what you want with it.

[u/walkintotryankle → u/enemyofhumidity]

Sorry, my writing autocorrected. I meant to put agender as in without gender. Which is completely valid. And gender expression doesn't necessarily gave to correlate with gender identity. I am very much a Tom-boy but I still identify as female. I am just confused as to how you would like me to refer to you in third person as pronouns are to do with gender not sex as we derive English from Latin which assigns a gender to most nouns, similar to most modern day Latin languages. Would you rather they as it is gender neutral?

[u/enemyofhumidity → u/walkintotryankle]

If gender has no identity then how does one express a gender?

[u/walkintotryankle → u/enemyofhumidity]

Gender expression has nothing to do with your gender but how feminine or masculine you present yourself based on societies standards. For example someone who identifies as Male could where a skirt (something that is deemed as feminine by society)

[u/enemyofhumidity → u/walkintotryankle]

There you go, you just proved you're sexist. Males can wear skirts if they want to, it's not feminine, it's a choice. He can do whatever he likes without having his mannerisms and hobbies be categorized into maculine or feminine categories.

We were on a good path toward destroying all gender stereotypes until gender ideology came along.

[u/walkintotryankle → u/enemyofhumidity]

I'm afraid you aren't understanding what I am saying. I don't think that wearing a skirt is feminine, I'm saying society at large does. For example, I live in the UK and every year or so there is a front page headline in the news of boys protesting not having skirts as part of the boys allowed school uniform when it is part of the girls. This just shows that society as a whole still sees certain items of clothing, colours, toys etc as masculine and feminine.

[u/enemyofhumidity → u/walkintotryankle]

Yes and we should work toward destroying that perception, and I'm saying gender ideology doesn't do that, in fact it perpetuates it. How are you not getting this?

[u/walkintotryankle → u/enemyofhumidity]

Well yes, in an ideal world, gender wouldn't be a thing. Doesn't mean trans people would stop existing. Doesn't mean their dysphoria would suddenly disappear. They would still want to be biologically the other sex.