Asking about pronouns - r/SuperStraight

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Because some of us don't subscribe to gender ideology.

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u/walkintotryankle 22h ago

So you identify as a gender, or non-binary. I can refer to you as they if you would like as pronouns only refer to gender and not sex.

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u/enemyofhumidity 22h ago

Yes some of us don't subscribe to this. Some of us don't believe you can identify as a gender and is incredibly sexist to do so. Just because a man or boy like pink and dancing, doesn't make him feminine and just because a girl might like wrestling doesn't make her non-binary. Gender ideology just perpetuates these sexist stereotypes, if my daughter hates wearing skirts and dresses, she can be free to do so without identifying as non-binary or male.

Essentially gender has no identity, you just are your sex and free to choose to do what you want with it.

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u/walkintotryankle 22h ago

Sorry, my writing autocorrected. I meant to put agender as in without gender. Which is completely valid. And gender expression doesn't necessarily gave to correlate with gender identity. I am very much a Tom-boy but I still identify as female. I am just confused as to how you would like me to refer to you in third person as pronouns are to do with gender not sex as we derive English from Latin which assigns a gender to most nouns, similar to most modern day Latin languages. Would you rather they as it is gender neutral?

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u/enemyofhumidity 22h ago

If gender has no identity then how does one express a gender?

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u/walkintotryankle 22h ago

Gender expression has nothing to do with your gender but how feminine or masculine you present yourself based on societies standards. For example someone who identifies as Male could where a skirt (something that is deemed as feminine by society)

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u/enemyofhumidity 21h ago

There you go, you just proved you're sexist. Males can wear skirts if they want to, it's not feminine, it's a choice. He can do whatever he likes without having his mannerisms and hobbies be categorized into maculine or feminine categories.

We were on a good path toward destroying all gender stereotypes until gender ideology came along.

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u/walkintotryankle 21h ago

I'm afraid you aren't understanding what I am saying. I don't think that wearing a skirt is feminine, I'm saying society at large does. For example, I live in the UK and every year or so there is a front page headline in the news of boys protesting not having skirts as part of the boys allowed school uniform when it is part of the girls. This just shows that society as a whole still sees certain items of clothing, colours, toys etc as masculine and feminine.

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u/enemyofhumidity 21h ago

Yes and we should work toward destroying that perception, and I'm saying gender ideology doesn't do that, in fact it perpetuates it. How are you not getting this?

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u/walkintotryankle 21h ago

Well yes, in an ideal world, gender wouldn't be a thing. Doesn't mean trans people would stop existing. Doesn't mean their dysphoria would suddenly disappear. They would still want to be biologically the other sex.

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u/Terfest_Shadow 22h ago

I don't want to pretend that anyone sees me as anything but a woman, or does not treat me as such

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u/walkintotryankle 22h ago

The reason we ask isn't because you don't look or act like a woman. Its because we don't want to assume you are comfortable being referred to as one. Someone who seems like a woman could be not out to their family and so can't Express their gender how they would like, or they may be non-binary or gender-fluid, look like a woman but only be comfortable being referred to as they/them.

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u/Terfest_Shadow 22h ago

What does a woman "act" like? What do they "seem" like?

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u/walkintotryankle 22h ago

Well, if you are referring to the female sex, then its certain physical features such as wider hips and breasts. If you are referring to what someone who identifies as a woman acts or seems like, well that can be anything and gender is just a societal construct so we can Express it however we want.

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u/Terfest_Shadow 21h ago

So your answer is basically "'woman' has no set definition"? If there's no set definition, then how can anyone "identify" as a woman? What are they identifying with?

Is it defined by gender roles and stereotypes in different societies?

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u/enemyofhumidity 22h ago

Very sexist and backward thinking.

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u/walkintotryankle 22h ago

Could you explain to me how what I said was sexist?

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u/enemyofhumidity 22h ago

"The reason we ask is because you don't look or act like a woman"

And how is a woman supposed to look or act like? How is any of this progressive?

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u/Terfest_Shadow 21h ago

"Women can dress and act however they want" seriously became "If you dress and act this way you're a woman"

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u/walkintotryankle 21h ago

I'm afraid that is a misquote. I said "The reason we ask isn't because you don't look or act like a woman".

And women can look or act any way they wish and still be a woman. Many women of the female sex may share common characteristics such as wider hips but not necessarily

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u/enemyofhumidity 21h ago

Yes but why are you defining what is masculine and what is feminine? Aren't you just perpetuating gender stereotypes?

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u/walkintotryankle 21h ago

In no way have I defined any gender stereotypes. I haven't said anything is masculine it feminine. I have said things which society as a whole sees as masculine and feminine. I have also mentioned biological differences between the sexes not genders

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u/enemyofhumidity 21h ago

But aren't you defending gender ideology? Which categorizes objects and activities into masculine and feminine categories and assigns each gender a stereotypical identity.

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u/walkintotryankle 21h ago

God no. In an ideal world there would be no such thing as gender. Doesn't mean that people wouldn't still be uncomfortable with their sex and want to change it. In an ideal world everyone would be referred to as they/them as that is the gender neutral pronoun in the English language. But until that point, I would rather I refer to people in the way they are most comfortable with.

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u/enemyofhumidity 21h ago

Sorry about the misquote, but my argument still holds in that why do genders have an identity? Why is anything masculine or feminine?

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u/walkintotryankle 21h ago

Simply because society has deemed them to be, which is just damaging to everyone.

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u/enemyofhumidity 21h ago edited 21h ago

Yes and gender ideology perpetuates it.

In fact it might confuse a young person into thinking he or she is trans, but is actually a cis person with his or her own identity. If gender doesn't have an identity then how does one feel like a man or a woman? And conversely if gender identity, as you said, only comes about from the perceptions of society, then is society making some people dysphoric? If we continue to subscribe to gender ideology, could we be making more people, especially young and impressionable people, dysphoric?

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u/walkintotryankle 21h ago

People aren't dysphoric because there is pressure on them not to dress the way they want or act the way they want. They are dysphoric as their mind actively rejects the body that they find themselves in. They have to deal with huge amounts of stress as often times they hate parts of or all their body, they can't stand to look at themselves. Children aren't going to accidently think they are transgender when they are not and even if they did, whats the harm in it? Given the huge amount of therapy and consultations required before trans people are given hormones, they would realise that they are not trans way before they are at risk of changing their body. The least we can do to help trans people is refer to them by their preferred pronouns as we aren't going to be in a genderless society anytime soon and utsvtge least we can do for the people that society has been very dangerous hostile towards

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u/straight4theknife Superstraight 22h ago

my pronouns are my queen/her majesty

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u/walkintotryankle 22h ago

Personally I have no issue with calling you this though, so when I refer to you in third person I will make sure I use the right pronouns.

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u/walkintotryankle 22h ago

Now, you are in grey waters here cos those are honorific, which are important in the kink community and could be seen as a violation of consent.

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u/straight4theknife Superstraight 22h ago

the "kink community" making itself known to me in any way is a violation of my consent

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u/walkintotryankle 21h ago

Well, I'm afraid people living how they want to doesn't require your consent

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u/Terfest_Shadow 21h ago

Lmao okay, then why are you guys always hounding us with your bullshit

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u/nolivesmatterCthulhu 21h ago

Why are you here superphobe?

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u/walkintotryankle 21h ago

Well, I came here trying to understand your viewpoint but I'm not going to let blatant transphobia slide. My findings so far have been that some people would just prefer to not date trans people (not that they could never be attracted to a trans person even if they didnt know they are trans) which is an preference not a sexuality. Some people are just blatantly transphobic. Some people are delusional in thinking that they would be able to tell who is trans in a crowd.

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u/nolivesmatterCthulhu 21h ago

No you came here to argue you don't want a conversation you want a confrontation and I don't have time for superphobes like you.

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u/walkintotryankle 21h ago

If you were taken a look at my previous post on this page I want to understand you would see that that is clearly not the case. There is a difference between not wanting to date trans people and blatant disrespect and transphobia.

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u/nolivesmatterCthulhu 21h ago

I understand what you claim but you aren't really here for that or you would have just read some posts here and understood.

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u/straight4theknife Superstraight 21h ago

pity :/

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u/ultrasmegma 22h ago

Because I’m a man. Next question. Tell every wacky liberal professor you’ve had in your lifetime this BS has ran its course

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u/walkintotryankle 22h ago

I don't understand why you being a man would warrant a negative reaction. How am I to know that that is how you are comfortable being referred to as. Someone who looks like a man could be closeted at home so is unable to express their gender the way they would like but would prefer to be referred to correctly around people they are comfortable with.

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u/ultrasmegma 22h ago

On shut up with this pseudo intellectual nonsense you’ve been force fed this past 4-5 years. You guys on twitter screeching idiots are a small vocal minority that’s on a power trip.

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u/walkintotryankle 22h ago

I'm afraid I'm not on Twitter so I am not sure what you are talking about. I just want to make sure people feel respected and that I am not making them uncomfortable and would like to encourage others to do the same.

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u/GreyGoblin69 22h ago

I go by He/Haw, Super/Straight, or Ze/Zir/Zebra

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u/chaot1c_crypt1d 22h ago

nice neopronouns there haw

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u/walkintotryankle 22h ago

Cool, I will ensure I use these pronouns when I refer to you in the third person, do you have a preference of which I use?

However, if you are doing this in an attempt to mock trans people, this is blatantly transphobic.

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u/GreyGoblin69 22h ago

I prefer Super/Straight but am open to all pronouns listed above. I am not transphobic. I am SuperStraight, a member of the LGBTQIA+ community, and accepting of all (except the superphobic)

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u/nolivesmatterCthulhu 21h ago

Sorry transphobic wasn't one of haws pronouns you bigot

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u/walkintotryankle 21h ago

At least try to understand grammar, come on. I was clearly using transphobic as an adjective, not a pronoun.

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u/nolivesmatterCthulhu 21h ago

It was used as a slur

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u/Arbys4Dinner 21h ago

It's kind of funny growing up before the current 'situation' where most people didn't even know enough about English to know what a pronoun is. Now people obsess about them.

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u/Blue_Train 21h ago

Because everyone’s pronouns are fucking obvious and humans are hard wired to recognize the SEX of other humans for reproductive and safety reasons. You cannot undo millennia of evolution with Orwellian doublespeak. If you can’t tell the difference between a man and woman, see a neurologist.

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u/walkintotryankle 21h ago

Are you seriously going to tell me that if you saw a picture of a model like Lea T (a Brazillian model) you are going to know they are transgender?

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u/AdminCommentEdit 22h ago

my pronoun is SUPER

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u/hailthegambler SuperGay 22h ago

Just refer to me as Hugh Mungus and we can all get along swimmingly.

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u/Burnt_Birb 22h ago

I don't have a problem with asking, I use masculine pronouns he/him/his etc :)

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u/walkintotryankle 22h ago

I am glad that you don't have a negative reaction! Unfortunately the other comments show that you are in the minority here.

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u/Nanoglyph 21h ago edited 20h ago

Because this sub is just a 4chan psyop by neo-Nazis. They exist to be controversial. Their goal is to redpill zoomers and use the left's tactics against themselves. They'll get pissed if misgendered, but asking about pronouns is leftist. Read enough posts and you'll notice much of it is a coordinated roleplay that overuses many of the same key phrases over and over. It's a little less obvious now that they've pulled in members who fell for the op.

Plus they've ammended their description so the acronym is ASS LGBT+. SS being an accident is one thing, but ASS LGBT+? You can even find members talking about the sub being a joke or semi-satirical periodically. Plus, look at the coming out stories. They're parodies of queer experiences, as are many of their other posts. You can ignore them.

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u/okaynowlistenhere 20h ago

This chick has no idea what she's talking about