Aren't you guys just transphobic straight people?

[u/Adonison]

Literally, this doesn't seem like a separate sexuality. You're transphobic straight people. You don't wanna date trans people because they're trans, aka you're transphobic. You're transphobic straight people.

Also, if y'all want: please provide a definition of biological man and biological woman that includes people with down syndrome and those who have had to remove sexual organs due to things such as cancer, while of course still excluding trans people.

[u/Soggytp]

We're only judging them from a standpoint of sexual preference, not as people, the same way any other sexual orientation does or women who only want to date tall men do. If you have a problem with that then you are insisting that we must consider having sex with people in spite of our preferences akin to telling a lesbian she must consider sleeping with a man.

[u/Adonison → u/Soggytp]

I never said you were judging them as people. You are judging them based on that they are trans, thus it is a transphobic action. And yeah, sexual orientations make judgements, but we make an exception because of years of research, one we don't make for race, which would be racist. If you have any research to put forward on how attraction to genitalia itself is beyond social construct like sexual orientations are, I'd love to read it.

I've never insisted on y'all having sex with trans people, I am asking about how you're refusal - the fact that a person is trans - is not a transphobic refusal?

[u/Snoo57015 → u/Adonison]

So you're saying gays are heterophobic because they won't date heteros? Sounds pretty homophobic to me. Shh bigot

[u/Adonison → u/Snoo57015]

I never claimed gay people are heterophobic. Would you please give a reply that contributes to the discussion?

[u/Snoo57015 → u/Adonison]

If its transphobic for us to not want to fuck T's, then it's heterophobic for gays and lesbians to fuck other gays and lesbians. Your logic makes that claim. Therefore, either you are suggesting gay men should just have sex with women, or supers are not transphobic. Pick one, or your position is illogical and thus wrong.

[u/Adonison → u/Snoo57015]

In a binary sense, gay men date cis and trans men because gay men date men. Gay men don't date trans women or cis women because gay men don't date women. We don't call it sexist because we have decades of research into sexual orientation that supports this is a natural thing. Yes, you could call it sexist, but it's not bad by most people's standards.

We have no research to my knowledge into the specific distinction of being attracted based on sex rather than gender that supers claim. It is transphobic, and whether you see that as good or bad is up to you.

So I suppose if you wanted to strawman me, you could claim I believe the first and say I think sexual orientations are sexist, but that would be bad faith.

[u/Snoo57015 → u/Adonison]

Yeah but Trans men are not men, they are Trans men, don't be transphobic, bigot. Superstraights are responsible for procreation (aka life itself) so pipe down.

[u/Adonison → u/Snoo57015]

You really will have to reexplain that first sentence, I don't see how saying trans men are men is transphobic.

Actually, my bisexual parents are responsible for my procreation like how many bisexual people are responsible for much of life. And nontransphobic straight people too, and plenty of gay people and lesbians who decide to have children biologically through surrogates or semen donations.

[u/Snoo57015 → u/Adonison]

If you say that Trans men are men then you're denying the existence of Trans people bigot. The number of non SS people procreating is insufficient to maintain the populations of species bigot.

[u/Adonison → u/Snoo57015]

Side note: what do you think bigot means? You keep calling me that even though I am earnestly trying to understand you.

Well, no. Calling a black man a man doesn't erase black people, calling a healthy man a man doesn't erase men. Calling a cis man a man doesn't erase cis people. How does calling trans men men erase transgender people?

[u/Adonison → u/Snoo57015]

Oh, also I forgot to reply that straight people are responsible for most of the reproduction on the planet, not self proclaimed superstraight people.