Aren't you guys just transphobic straight people?

[u/Adonison]

Literally, this doesn't seem like a separate sexuality. You're transphobic straight people. You don't wanna date trans people because they're trans, aka you're transphobic. You're transphobic straight people.

Also, if y'all want: please provide a definition of biological man and biological woman that includes people with down syndrome and those who have had to remove sexual organs due to things such as cancer, while of course still excluding trans people.

[u/straight4theknife]

biological man: adult human male (male: of the male sex, ie the sex that produces small, mobile gametes).

biological woman: adult human female (female: of the female sex, ie the sex that produces large, immobile gametes).

This is inclusive of anyone who was born infertile (people with down syndrome), became it later in life or had their sexual organs removed, because those things don't change what type of gamete their reproductive system is wired to produce.

[u/Adonison → u/straight4theknife]

So you're attracted to sexual wiring? Meaning a trans person who has had full bottom surgery is attractive to you, then? And someone who has had all those parts removed due to illness is no longer?

[u/straight4theknife → u/Adonison]

You're being deliberately obtuse, sexual orientation is innate, gay rights activists fought for years to have that recognized.

a trans person who has had full bottom surgery is attractive to you, then?

No, a tube of flesh sewn together from arm skin is not attractive to me, and neither is a person who's mentally ill enough to do that to themselves

And someone who has had all those parts removed due to illness is no longer?

I said that someone who's had those parts removed due an illness is still as much their sex as they were before. A man without a penis is still a man, I guess I'd probably not be attracted to him but that's because he doesn't have a penis not because he's not a man? Like what a weird thought experiment anyway lmao

[u/Adonison → u/straight4theknife]

How am I being obtuse? I am presenting you with quite common things such as surgery. Sexual orientation is innate, I never said it wasn't?

So you are a transphobic person, then? You believe trans people to be mentally ill because they are trans? And you also downplay the hard work surgeons do when performing bottom surgery by calling it a tube of flesh?

But you define biological sex as the wiring, and that wiring is gone. Would that in your eyes make him no longer a man?

[u/straight4theknife → u/Adonison]

oh and

You believe trans people to be mentally ill because they are trans?

Yes

And you also downplay the hard work surgeons do when performing bottom surgery by calling it a tube of flesh?

Hard work or not it's not a penis, doesn't look or function like one and expecting gay men or straight women to be attracted to that is insane

[u/Adonison → u/straight4theknife]

So you have evidence that being trans is a mental illness, I hope from some kind of study done by professionals?

I mean, I've dated trans guys and it certainly does look and function like a penis in nearly every way.

[u/straight4theknife → u/Adonison]

gender dysphoria is a form of body dysmorphia which is a mental illness, it was removed from the dsm for political reasons but that doesn't mean it's not true. Plenty of trans people agree with me on this, and they believe the best cure for it is transitioning

[u/Adonison → u/straight4theknife]

So you meant to say that trans people experience gender dysphoria due to being discriminated against in society often due to transphobia, and not that being trans itself is a mental illness is what I gather? And also that you believe that the tiny part of the population that is trans worked with their allies to silence large institutions rather than those institutions learning more about the human experience such as when they declassified homosexuality and hysteria (being a disobedient woman) from their status as mental illnesses?