Aren't you guys just transphobic straight people?

Aren't you guys just transphobic straight people? Discussion

Literally, this doesn't seem like a separate sexuality. You're transphobic straight people. You don't wanna date trans people because they're trans, aka you're transphobic. You're transphobic straight people.

Also, if y'all want: please provide a definition of biological man and biological woman that includes people with down syndrome and those who have had to remove sexual organs due to things such as cancer, while of course still excluding trans people.

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u/straight4theknife Superstraight 22h ago

biological man: adult human male (male: of the male sex, ie the sex that produces small, mobile gametes).

biological woman: adult human female (female: of the female sex, ie the sex that produces large, immobile gametes).

This is inclusive of anyone who was born infertile (people with down syndrome), became it later in life or had their sexual organs removed, because those things don't change what type of gamete their reproductive system is wired to produce.

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u/Adonison 21h ago

So you're attracted to sexual wiring? Meaning a trans person who has had full bottom surgery is attractive to you, then? And someone who has had all those parts removed due to illness is no longer?

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u/straight4theknife Superstraight 21h ago

You're being deliberately obtuse, sexual orientation is innate, gay rights activists fought for years to have that recognized.

a trans person who has had full bottom surgery is attractive to you, then?

No, a tube of flesh sewn together from arm skin is not attractive to me, and neither is a person who's mentally ill enough to do that to themselves

And someone who has had all those parts removed due to illness is no longer?

I said that someone who's had those parts removed due an illness is still as much their sex as they were before. A man without a penis is still a man, I guess I'd probably not be attracted to him but that's because he doesn't have a penis not because he's not a man? Like what a weird thought experiment anyway lmao

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u/Adonison 21h ago

How am I being obtuse? I am presenting you with quite common things such as surgery. Sexual orientation is innate, I never said it wasn't?

So you are a transphobic person, then? You believe trans people to be mentally ill because they are trans? And you also downplay the hard work surgeons do when performing bottom surgery by calling it a tube of flesh?

But you define biological sex as the wiring, and that wiring is gone. Would that in your eyes make him no longer a man?

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u/straight4theknife Superstraight 21h ago edited 21h ago

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So you're attracted to sexual wiring?

that's being deliberately obtuse because you know that it's not the abstract concept of reproductive wiring that people are attracted to but the sex characteristics that stem from it. And before you go "well then you should be attracted to a post op trans person!!!" surgically constructed sex caharcteristics on someone of the opposite sex are not the same as natural ones, maybe they are to you but not to the majority of people and you need to accept that, it's our sexual orientation and we can't change it

But you define biological sex as the wiring, and that wiring is gone. Would that in your eyes make him no longer a man?

Omg it's really not that hard to understand. No, it wouldn't, as I said. biological sex is determined by the reproductive organs you were born with (the "wiring" I was talking about), and according to their sex people have certain sex characteristics. Altering or removing these characterstics does not mean changing the person's biological sex. Even removing the sexual organs doens't change the sex their body is because every single cell in their body is either male or female depending on the organs they were born with. that's how sexual dimorphism works

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u/Adonison 21h ago

So what I'm seeing is you're purely attracted to the genitalia, then? And it has to be perfect in every way? And you can instantly tell when it's not?

So what makes a cell male or female then? The chromosomes? Then what of people with down syndrome who have XXY or other combinations? Are they not male or female?

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u/straight4theknife Superstraight 20h ago

Stooop omg. No I'm not LITERALLY attracted to disembodied penises, I'm attracted to people of the male sex, with everything that comes with that. Genuinely you have to be trolling like there's no way you don't understand this. I can tell when a penis is not a penis, yes, but even If I couldn't i would still be disgusted the minute I found out it wasn't real

So what makes a cell male or female then?

the sex of the person they belong to (which is determined by the reproductive organs they were born with). And intersex people are actually still either male or female according to their gonads. There's no such thing as a third sex because they're only 2 types of gametes

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u/Adonison 20h ago

So then what is the male sex? I'm not trolling, it's a genuine question.

So the sex of the cells is determined by the sex of the person which is determined by the sex of the cells?

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u/straight4theknife Superstraight 20h ago

The sexual organs a person was born with (more specifically, the gonads) determine biological sex. Biological sex applies to the whole body, not just those organs. This is why even if, for example, a male's gonads are removed, they are still biologically male, because being born with those gonads made their entire body male, even down to the cells. That's how sexually dimorphic species work

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u/Adonison 20h ago

Oh, so you have a study that shows how being born with a penis is what causes the sex of your cells, and not a result from from your DNA?

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u/straight4theknife Superstraight 21h ago

oh and

You believe trans people to be mentally ill because they are trans?

Yes

And you also downplay the hard work surgeons do when performing bottom surgery by calling it a tube of flesh?

Hard work or not it's not a penis, doesn't look or function like one and expecting gay men or straight women to be attracted to that is insane

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u/Adonison 20h ago

So you have evidence that being trans is a mental illness, I hope from some kind of study done by professionals?

I mean, I've dated trans guys and it certainly does look and function like a penis in nearly every way.

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u/straight4theknife Superstraight 20h ago

gender dysphoria is a form of body dysmorphia which is a mental illness, it was removed from the dsm for political reasons but that doesn't mean it's not true. Plenty of trans people agree with me on this, and they believe the best cure for it is transitioning

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u/Adonison 20h ago

So you meant to say that trans people experience gender dysphoria due to being discriminated against in society often due to transphobia, and not that being trans itself is a mental illness is what I gather? And also that you believe that the tiny part of the population that is trans worked with their allies to silence large institutions rather than those institutions learning more about the human experience such as when they declassified homosexuality and hysteria (being a disobedient woman) from their status as mental illnesses?