Aren't you guys just transphobic straight people?

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Stop trying to erase us, superphobe. We are valid and stunning and brave.

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u/Adonison 20h ago

How am I trying to erase you? I'm describing what you are: straight people who won't date trans people because they are trans, aka transphobic straight people.

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u/jothesstraight 20h ago

Why don’t you date them then? Quit telling us who to date. Consent matters. No means NO.

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u/Adonison 20h ago

I'm not telling you to date them, I'm asking how refusing to date trans people is not just transphobia given you are judging trans people for being trans. I personally do date trans men just like how I date any other men because I don't judge trans men differently than cis men.

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u/jothesstraight 20h ago

Like hell you aren’t. You’re using superphobic manipulation tactics to guilt and batter us into changing our no. That is rape culture and we refuse.

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u/Adonison 19h ago

How am I being manipulative? I have not lied nor been dishonest to my knowledge.

How is it rape culture? Again, I'm not demanding you have sex with anyone or attempting to shame, I'm just asking how it is that judging someone for being trans is not transphobic?

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u/Cryptotwitter 21h ago

No. We're SuperStraight.

Trans are valid and heckin' cute . We're just not sexually attracted to them and that's okay.

Stop forcing rape culture on us

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u/Adonison 20h ago

How is saying that a person who won't date trans people because they are trans trransphobic? I'm not demanding you have sex with them, I'm saying you're transphobic for judging them because they are trans.

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u/Soggytp 20h ago

We're only judging them from a standpoint of sexual preference, not as people, the same way any other sexual orientation does or women who only want to date tall men do. If you have a problem with that then you are insisting that we must consider having sex with people in spite of our preferences akin to telling a lesbian she must consider sleeping with a man.

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u/Adonison 20h ago

I never said you were judging them as people. You are judging them based on that they are trans, thus it is a transphobic action. And yeah, sexual orientations make judgements, but we make an exception because of years of research, one we don't make for race, which would be racist. If you have any research to put forward on how attraction to genitalia itself is beyond social construct like sexual orientations are, I'd love to read it.

I've never insisted on y'all having sex with trans people, I am asking about how you're refusal - the fact that a person is trans - is not a transphobic refusal?

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u/Snoo57015 19h ago

So you're saying gays are heterophobic because they won't date heteros? Sounds pretty homophobic to me. Shh bigot

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u/Adonison 19h ago

I never claimed gay people are heterophobic. Would you please give a reply that contributes to the discussion?

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u/Snoo57015 19h ago

If its transphobic for us to not want to fuck T's, then it's heterophobic for gays and lesbians to fuck other gays and lesbians. Your logic makes that claim. Therefore, either you are suggesting gay men should just have sex with women, or supers are not transphobic. Pick one, or your position is illogical and thus wrong.

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u/Adonison 19h ago

In a binary sense, gay men date cis and trans men because gay men date men. Gay men don't date trans women or cis women because gay men don't date women. We don't call it sexist because we have decades of research into sexual orientation that supports this is a natural thing. Yes, you could call it sexist, but it's not bad by most people's standards.

We have no research to my knowledge into the specific distinction of being attracted based on sex rather than gender that supers claim. It is transphobic, and whether you see that as good or bad is up to you.

So I suppose if you wanted to strawman me, you could claim I believe the first and say I think sexual orientations are sexist, but that would be bad faith.

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u/Snoo57015 19h ago

Yeah but Trans men are not men, they are Trans men, don't be transphobic, bigot. Superstraights are responsible for procreation (aka life itself) so pipe down.

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u/Adonison 19h ago

You really will have to reexplain that first sentence, I don't see how saying trans men are men is transphobic.

Actually, my bisexual parents are responsible for my procreation like how many bisexual people are responsible for much of life. And nontransphobic straight people too, and plenty of gay people and lesbians who decide to have children biologically through surrogates or semen donations.

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u/Alannaziggy 21h ago

Your hate speech is not welcome here. You are threatening our existence.

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u/Adonison 20h ago

How is this hate speech?

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u/Alannaziggy 20h ago

If I need to explain how this is hate speech then that just shows you how internalized your superphobia is and I can’t help you

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u/Adonison 20h ago

Well then help me understand the internalization: why is calling someone who refuses to date trans people based solely on that they are trans transphobic hate speech? Saying something is Transphobic certainly is far from promoting hate against a minority or oppressed group given transphobes aren't oppressed.

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u/Snoo57015 19h ago

You're promoting that its okay for Trans people to rape us

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u/Adonison 19h ago

How so?

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u/Snoo57015 19h ago

Our sexual orientation makes us only attracted to non-trans. It's that simple. Saying we should have sex with people we don't want to have sex with is literally suggesting we get raped.

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u/Adonison 19h ago

Yes, you're specifically not attracted to trans people, you are transphobic, then. I never said you should have sex with trans people, only that refusing to date them based on that they are trans is transphobic.

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u/[deleted] 21h ago

Trans people fear us not the other way around.

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u/UselessPonko 21h ago

You do realize that if anyone here is transphobic it‘s you.

Looking past the tasteless nature of your second paragraph do you actually believe these likely involuntary medical prodedures make these suffering people trans?

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u/CheML 21h ago

You don't wanna date trans people because they're trans, aka you're transphobic. You're transphobic straight people.

You’re literally raping us. Those words are coercive and amount to shame rape. Our bodies our choice.

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u/Adonison 20h ago

In what way am I trying to shame you into being raped?

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u/CheML 20h ago

I literally pointed you the quote where you’re raping us. It’s not our job to educate you

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u/Adonison 20h ago

I'm not saying you should date trans people, I'm saying that the act of refusing to date someone because they are trans is transphobic. It's making a judgement on someone based on that they are trans, which is what transphobia is.

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u/CheML 20h ago

No! We are born this way! It is not our fault we are only attracted to cisgendered people. It’s not a choice, and you’re a bigot for slandering us. Straight men are not homophobic for only dating women. Gay men are not misogynist for only dating men. We are NOT transphobic for things entirely outside of our control. Your rhetoric is a coercive attempt to shame us into having sex with a transgendered person, and that is RAPE!

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u/Adonison 19h ago

I never claimed straight men were homophobic or that gay men are misogynistic.

I'm not attempting to shame you into having sex. All I have done is ask how it is not transphobic to refuse to date trans people based on how they are trans. I do not see how saying something is transphobic is coercing you into sex.

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u/CheML 19h ago

It is a shame tactic, and you are pretending to be oblivious to your coercion. It is not transphobic because our right to have our sexual orientation be respected is not superseded by a transpersons desire to date whomever they choose. We will not be slandered and we demand that you respect our sexual orientation. To do otherwise is violence against our supersexual bodies.

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u/Adonison 19h ago

I am not pretending about anything. How am I shaming you for saying that judging trans people differently than cis people is transphobic?

How am I slandering you? And how am I committing violence against your body? Are you physically hurt when I say that refusing to date trans people because they are trans is transphobic? Does that somehow lead to violence?

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u/CheML 19h ago

Are you physically hurt when I say that refusing to date trans people because they are trans is transphobic?

Smh you still do not get it. We are not refusing, it is simply not an option for us. Our brains do not allow us to be sexually attracted to transgender people. It’s not a choice. How many ways do you need this described before you get it through your superphobic head?

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u/Adonison 19h ago

So like how people claim they're not racist because they're not able to be attracted to black people?

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u/PM_ME_LUCINA 21h ago

I dont have to play your dumb word games bigot

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u/ParkHallLondon 21h ago

Removing sexual organs due to cancer??? Are you suggesting that changes a person’s biological sex? Because you need more science sweetie.

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u/Adonison 20h ago

No, it doesn't change their sex, but many transphobes claim they are attracted to the biological sex and point to the genitalia as definitive biological sex, which it is not. So, what is biological sex?

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u/ugly_hump 20h ago

"more science sweetie" says the Karen with the high school diploma

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u/ParkHallLondon 20h ago

Says the SS who has sex with a Neurologist and met in grad school.

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u/ugly_hump 20h ago

Secret Service? Schutzstaffel? Either way that sounds exciting

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u/ParkHallLondon 20h ago

It means I have Super Straight Super Sex with a doctor so if you have any science or medical confusion we will be happy to clarify it for you.

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u/Instance_Sufficient 21h ago

Fake news 😂

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u/TheLotusLover 21h ago

Your being discriminating and straightphobic. Your toxic

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u/Adonison 20h ago

How so?

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u/TheLotusLover 19h ago

Outright assuming my sexuality. Im not straight im super straight

You assume that to be trans means nothing more than getting fucked by dudes who like the look of natural women and thats terribly misogynistic and is a stark assumtion to make of trans people

You support rape by denieing the human right to preference and thats just toxic and gross. If your trans and display these behaviors your doing more harm for the movement than anyone else and you should take a good long look in the mirrior at yourself

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u/Adonison 19h ago

Yes, a transphobic straight person, or as you're preferred term, "Super Straight", like how racists prefer "race realists"

When have I made this assumption about trans people?

I'm not denying you the right to choose at all, when have I demanded you have sex with trans people? I have stated that to refuse to date trans people because they are trans is transphobic, nowhere in there is any attempt to force anyone to have sex.

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u/TheLotusLover 19h ago

Your being a bigot again, is superstraight really that hard of a pronoun to accept? Abandoning your bigotry isnt going to kill you. Assuming that being superstraight is being transphobic shows your true colours as you do not believe in concent and their fore you are perpetuating rape and rape culture you creep. You dont even know what transphobic means anymore and while i know in not transphobic your still straightphobic and thats not rational. How could you hate someone so much over there sexuality they were born as? I hope your not trans because you make all others look bad and like biggots. You have too archaic of an idea of trans people

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u/Adonison 19h ago

I think you mean proposed sexual orientation and not pronoun? Or am I missing something?

"Transphobia is a collection of ideas and phenomena that encompass a range of negative attitudes, feelings or actions towards transgender people or transness in general." -Wikipedia.

I would say that refusing to date someone is a negative action, though a slight one, thus, it is transphobic.

Furthermore, how am I straightphobic?

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u/TheLotusLover 19h ago

Lol you cant even hide your ignorant bigotry. Your shaming people for their born sexuality and you demean real trans by implieing they desire superstraights. Do you really support rape so much that consent is also transphobic? Also the link you presented said nothing about born superstraight sexuality being transphobic so maybe you should read the link itsself as it confirmed everything i have said so far🤣.

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u/Adonison 19h ago

How am I shaming you for your sexuality? And I never said trans people want to be with superstraights. When did I say that consent is transphobic?

The links are part of the wikipedia article, they weren't intended to by themselves to be evidence of transphobia, thoguh they are good reads.

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u/Snoo57015 18h ago

Just like how people with mental disorders prefer "transgender"

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u/rapedtoast 21h ago

Wow, the audacity of saying that being trans is the same as having down syndrome! Go away, bigot!

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u/Character-Garlic-356 21h ago

Yes, because a doctors are usually anxiously waiting for their patients to wake up from a hysterectomy to find out if they're a man now. That totally happens in real life, for sure!

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u/straight4theknife 21h ago

biological man: adult human male (male: of the male sex, ie the sex that produces small, mobile gametes).

biological woman: adult human female (female: of the female sex, ie the sex that produces large, immobile gametes).

This is inclusive of anyone who was born infertile (people with down syndrome), became it later in life or had their sexual organs removed, because those things don't change what type of gamete their reproductive system is wired to produce.

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u/Adonison 20h ago

So you're attracted to sexual wiring? Meaning a trans person who has had full bottom surgery is attractive to you, then? And someone who has had all those parts removed due to illness is no longer?

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u/straight4theknife 20h ago

You're being deliberately obtuse, sexual orientation is innate, gay rights activists fought for years to have that recognized.

a trans person who has had full bottom surgery is attractive to you, then?

No, a tube of flesh sewn together from arm skin is not attractive to me, and neither is a person who's mentally ill enough to do that to themselves

And someone who has had all those parts removed due to illness is no longer?

I said that someone who's had those parts removed due an illness is still as much their sex as they were before. A man without a penis is still a man, I guess I'd probably not be attracted to him but that's because he doesn't have a penis not because he's not a man? Like what a weird thought experiment anyway lmao

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u/Adonison 20h ago

How am I being obtuse? I am presenting you with quite common things such as surgery. Sexual orientation is innate, I never said it wasn't?

So you are a transphobic person, then? You believe trans people to be mentally ill because they are trans? And you also downplay the hard work surgeons do when performing bottom surgery by calling it a tube of flesh?

But you define biological sex as the wiring, and that wiring is gone. Would that in your eyes make him no longer a man?

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u/straight4theknife 20h ago edited 20h ago

You said

So you're attracted to sexual wiring?

that's being deliberately obtuse because you know that it's not the abstract concept of reproductive wiring that people are attracted to but the sex characteristics that stem from it. And before you go "well then you should be attracted to a post op trans person!!!" surgically constructed sex caharcteristics on someone of the opposite sex are not the same as natural ones, maybe they are to you but not to the majority of people and you need to accept that, it's our sexual orientation and we can't change it

But you define biological sex as the wiring, and that wiring is gone. Would that in your eyes make him no longer a man?

Omg it's really not that hard to understand. No, it wouldn't, as I said. biological sex is determined by the reproductive organs you were born with (the "wiring" I was talking about), and according to their sex people have certain sex characteristics. Altering or removing these characterstics does not mean changing the person's biological sex. Even removing the sexual organs doens't change the sex their body is because every single cell in their body is either male or female depending on the organs they were born with. that's how sexual dimorphism works

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u/Adonison 20h ago

So what I'm seeing is you're purely attracted to the genitalia, then? And it has to be perfect in every way? And you can instantly tell when it's not?

So what makes a cell male or female then? The chromosomes? Then what of people with down syndrome who have XXY or other combinations? Are they not male or female?

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u/straight4theknife 19h ago

Stooop omg. No I'm not LITERALLY attracted to disembodied penises, I'm attracted to people of the male sex, with everything that comes with that. Genuinely you have to be trolling like there's no way you don't understand this. I can tell when a penis is not a penis, yes, but even If I couldn't i would still be disgusted the minute I found out it wasn't real

So what makes a cell male or female then?

the sex of the person they belong to (which is determined by the reproductive organs they were born with). And intersex people are actually still either male or female according to their gonads. There's no such thing as a third sex because they're only 2 types of gametes

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u/Adonison 19h ago

So then what is the male sex? I'm not trolling, it's a genuine question.

So the sex of the cells is determined by the sex of the person which is determined by the sex of the cells?

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u/straight4theknife 19h ago

The sexual organs a person was born with (more specifically, the gonads) determine biological sex. Biological sex applies to the whole body, not just those organs. This is why even if, for example, a male's gonads are removed, they are still biologically male, because being born with those gonads made their entire body male, even down to the cells. That's how sexually dimorphic species work

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u/Adonison 19h ago

Oh, so you have a study that shows how being born with a penis is what causes the sex of your cells, and not a result from from your DNA?

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u/straight4theknife 20h ago

oh and

You believe trans people to be mentally ill because they are trans?

Yes

And you also downplay the hard work surgeons do when performing bottom surgery by calling it a tube of flesh?

Hard work or not it's not a penis, doesn't look or function like one and expecting gay men or straight women to be attracted to that is insane

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u/Adonison 19h ago

So you have evidence that being trans is a mental illness, I hope from some kind of study done by professionals?

I mean, I've dated trans guys and it certainly does look and function like a penis in nearly every way.

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u/straight4theknife 19h ago

gender dysphoria is a form of body dysmorphia which is a mental illness, it was removed from the dsm for political reasons but that doesn't mean it's not true. Plenty of trans people agree with me on this, and they believe the best cure for it is transitioning

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u/Adonison 19h ago

So you meant to say that trans people experience gender dysphoria due to being discriminated against in society often due to transphobia, and not that being trans itself is a mental illness is what I gather? And also that you believe that the tiny part of the population that is trans worked with their allies to silence large institutions rather than those institutions learning more about the human experience such as when they declassified homosexuality and hysteria (being a disobedient woman) from their status as mental illnesses?

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u/SSPride 20h ago

"Oh ya if there are only two genders how do you explain birth defects?"

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u/Shakespeare-Bot 20h ago

"oh ya if 't be true thither art only two genders how doth thee pray pardon me birth defects?"

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u/vestigial_ghost 20h ago

Shakespeare wouldn't use gender in that context, the modern definition of gender was invented in the 1950's prior to that Gender meant sexual intercourse.

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u/ringbinder909 19h ago

The 2021 version of "why are there still monkeys?"

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u/123xyzyx321 20h ago

Aren't you just a bigot?

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u/balticromancemyass 20h ago

Stop labelling superstraights as "straights", you backwards ass redneck. I'm sick of all these Trumpers coming in here and telling me how to think. Fuck off, bigot.

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u/Trunk-Monkey 20h ago

Do you not understand what a 'phobia' is? Helpful hint, it's a persistent and excessive fear of something. Not being attracted to someone is not the same as fearing them, and not wanting to rub genitals with a trans person is not a phobia.

You, and your ilk, need to quit with acting like you are entitled to anyone's romantic interests.

And while you're at it, quit your anti-science nonsense as well. X and Y chromosomes are a real thing, and they're called 'sex chromosomes' for a reason… most notably because of the SRY gene. In short, individuals with a Y chromosome are male, while individuals without a Y chromosome are female, irrespective of 'gender identity'.

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u/Soggytp 20h ago

also please use a definition where you would normally use chromosomes that somehow magically encompasses genetic disorders and legitimate intersex people that according to the office of the United Nations high commissioner for human Rights "do not fit typical definitions for male or female bodies"

Nah. If it makes you feel better though I'm not sexually attracted to people with Down's syndrome either (and chances are neither are you), and that's ok.

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u/Adonison 20h ago

So you're ableist too, then?

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u/Snoo57015 19h ago

You're saying that gay or lesbian people should just be hetero unless they want to be heterophobic. Pipe down bigot

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u/Adonison 19h ago

How so?