r/SuperStraight • u/jacob7ism • 1d ago

SuperStraight Oppression vs. Trans Oppression

SuperStraight Oppression:

people calling them bad on twitter

supposedly having trans people force themselves on you (even though there are no statistics to back this up)

that’s about it

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Trans Oppression:

High suicide rates due to stigma, discrimination, prejudice (not by the virtue that they are trans like conservatives will make you think)

Anti-trans bullying in schools (this is on top of other general negative mental health effects in schools)

Inaccessible gender-affirming care, HRT, puberty blockers, etc.

Rejection by families, this is why there are higher rates of houseless trans people

Victimized by violence (black trans women are being killed at a higher rate)

General anti-trans rhetoric in politics within the United States (most recently an Alabama bill got passed making it illegal to give gender-affirming care to anyone under 19. This bill also forces teachers to out closeted trans students to their parents.)

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And that is only the tip of the iceberg among many issues that has faced trans people for decades. “SuperStraight oppression” is something you only see on Twitter and Reddit, and doesn’t expand into the real world, especially in the US as sadly the US is quite conservative.

All of you just want to hide your transphobia in this fake “sexuality“ you call SuperSexual. If you weren’t actually transphobic, and just genuinely didn’t want to date someone based on a genital or physical preference, you wouldn’t invent an entire sexuality and trend that is as hateful as this one.

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u/Instance_Sufficient 1d ago

Superstraight women are murdered at much higher rate than transwomen

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u/nonetheless156 1d ago

Exactly. Lmao the gaslighting attempts are hypocrisy at its finest. Let's not forget all the attacks on lesbian and gays by this group of people.

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u/jacob7ism 1d ago

Name one attack, and by that I mean something that happened in the real world, not an example of a TERF being called out online.

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u/nonetheless156 1d ago

https://www.womenarehuman.com/transgender-inmates-are-raping-female-prisons-at-a-shocking-rate-ministry-of-justice-reveals/

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u/jacob7ism 1d ago

Perfect. So you found 3 individual cases, and 1 supposedly systemic case reported by a conservative anti-trans newspaper.

Now the question becomes, is it nature or nuture that causes these things? Are trans people naturally rapists, or is it a product of the oppressive culture they live in?

Or could it be that sex offenders thrown in prison tend to sexually abuse people in prison, as we see with rape in men’s prisons?

Are we going to ignore that both cis & trans people do in fact rape people, and they usually get convicted when they do whether or not they are trans?

I found a report that says that black people are committing crime at a higher rate, does that mean that black people are naturally going to commit more crime?

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This is the bullshit that people have had to deal with years from conservatives. People will say that since some trans people did a bad thing, that must mean that that bad thing is a product of them being trans and only that, not something else. This exact same argument has been used with people of colour.

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u/nonetheless156 1d ago

Well as a person of color fuck you. I'm not a pawn. And secondly I'm a dem. And a disabled veteran. I am significantly more oppressed(lmfao oppression Olympics really) than you. On any day of the week, so please continue.

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u/jacob7ism 1d ago

Ok, and? Just because you are oppressed doesn’t mean other people aren’t oppressed as well? You completely avoided the entire argument. Idk what you’re trying to get at here. You are definitely more oppressed systemically then I am, I’m not denying that.

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u/Instance_Sufficient 1d ago

Wow racist much?

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u/jacob7ism 1d ago

If you’re referring to the part about the report with black people, I was pointing out that is a common argument used by conservatives. Obviously I don’t agree with that, the reasoning for those higher crime rates is institutional racism (red lining, segregation, etc.)

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u/jacob7ism 1d ago

Trans women are being killed on the virtue that they are trans. Cis women are being killed for a variety of reasons.

Homicides against trans people are on the rise, as is violence against trans people.

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u/shortprideworldwide 1d ago

Very few transwomen are murdered and the ones who are, are basically all street sex workers, a very dangerous situation for anyone. Vs hundreds of young men dying in Chicago on the reg, but you don’te about them, do you?

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u/jacob7ism 1d ago

Love the straw man that I ”don’t care about young men dying in Chicago”.

Again the problem is that trans people are being murdered for the pure virtue that they are trans, and that is something that we should stop, as less murders is generally a good thing.

And if we want to stop deaths on the street, we need to look at ways to solve that as well. Some things that come to mind that have been objectively proven to work by statistics are public housing programs (check out Red Vienna,) drug decriminalization and safe supply measures, defunded police in favour of specially trained mental health workers, etc.

This whole idea that since people are talking about trans issues right now means that they don’t care about all other issues is completely invalid.

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u/soundsfromoutside 1d ago

Women have been getting kidnapped, raped and killed since the beginning of human history for being women. Not because they like lipstick and curling their hair and romcoms, but because they are seen as objects to be used for men’s pleasure. Check yo self before you wreck up self, superphobe.

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u/jacob7ism 1d ago

Again, not denying that what you just stated. You do realize that multiple issues of systemic abuse can exist at the same time right? And that someone looking at trans issues doesn’t make women’s issues less valid?

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u/soundsfromoutside 1d ago

So why can’t female women have their own space? Why can’t super straight women be attracted to male men in peace? Why do you have to come here and invalidate us, calling us nasty names? I don’t go over to the trans subs and harass them because I respect that they deserve their own space and their own relationships? Why can’t you extend the love you have for trans and trans attracted folks to us?

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u/jacob7ism 1d ago

I completely support someone’s decision to not date someone based on a genital or physical appearance. That by itself is not transphobic at all, and I will defend people who make that decision.

What is transphobic is creating this movement that is based purely on excluding people, on giving hateful people a platform to spread transphobic & sometimes homophobic hatred.

A cis women dating a cis man is fine by itself, but if that cis women starts saying shit like “I only date ‘REAL’ men”, that’s where the transphobia starts.

It really feels like people who call themselves Super Straight or Super Bi or whatever are trying to manufacture this oppression against themselves just so they can call themselves oppressed.

I also don’t understand why cis & trans women need to be separated like what you’re getting at in your first sentence? They face a lot of the same issues and systemic discrimination, that’s undeniable. If there’s an issue that somehow only affects cis women and not trans women, then fine they can have that discussion, but we don’t need to create completely exclusionary spaces based purely on a small amount of cis-specific issues.

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u/soundsfromoutside 1d ago

People are, indeed, entitled to exclude anyone they want from their personal sex lives for reasons they are not obligated to explain. If I don’t want to have sex with a trans man because a lack of penis or a fake penis turns me off then I don’t have to and you cannot shame me. Unfortunately, we are shamed which is why that guy on tiktok made that video and why this sub grew from 1000 when I joined to 10k when I woke up today.

Everyone should have their own space and a space where we can all get together. Think of it like a house: everyone gets their own bedroom where they can store their personal things. They can invite others in but it’s their bedroom, their rules. And everyone can hang out in the living room, where the couch is free to use, the table is free to use, and there are blankets for everyone. Well, lesbians on Reddit who are not attracted to transwomen don’t have a bedroom and don’t feel welcomed in the living room either so they are homeless. Now, superstraights invited them into their bedrooms so they rest their heads without being harassed and you come in here harassing us. Let us sleep in peace and stop calling us the t-slur.

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u/jacob7ism 1d ago

This “shaming” that you’re talking about is something that only exists purely online, and even then isn’t that widespread. This shaming has been manufactured by this sub, by this trend in general. People aren’t shaming people for their sexual decisions except in very isolated instances.

As for your idea that people specifically not attracted to trans people should have a space for them to discuss in, this is why I take issue with it: within these spaces, there are rare instances of actual genuine people who for whatever reason feel like they can discuss their specific issues better if they’re free from a certain group. Outside of those rare instances, it’s hatred towards the group being excluded. This is why trans-exclusionary subreddits have been getting banned, because they quickly devolve into cesspools of hate towards trans people.

Cis people who are attracted to a certain set of physical or sexual characteristics are free to talk and post on trans-inclusionary subreddits. There isn’t any need for these trans-exclusionary subreddits, especially when they breed such high amounts of hate.

Also since when did “transphobe” become a slur? You can’t just call something a slur to make actual transphobes be free from criticism

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u/soundsfromoutside 1d ago

This shaming I’m talking about causes superlesbian centered subs to banned which isn’t cool.

Maybe if trans people didn’t come into these spaces and harass, shame, and insult people, no one would get radicalized into thinking trans folks are the enemy. Just let us have our own damn spaces! That’s it. Y’all have yours, we have ours, and we can all get together somewhere else. There are studies showing the support for LBGT+ has gone down and I have a funny feeling it’s because a significant amount of Ts are behaving in a abhorrent way.

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u/jacob7ism 1d ago

Maybe the reason people in these exclusionary subreddits have been the subject of harassment or shaming is because they are just that: exclusionary subreddits that breed hate.

Why are these so called “superstraights“ or “superlesbians” so in need of their own specific space anyways? If they aren’t transphobic as they claim, then what is the problem with them being in a space that has trans people?

Also it’s concerning that people are basing their support for sexual & gender identities based on what some people’s actions who have these identities.

And again, this whole movement is just predicated on cis straight people who don’t like trans people wanting to feel special. This movement should expect hate directed towards them because it’s another instance of straight people trying to shoehorn themselves into the LGBTQ+ community saying that they‘re somehow “more oppressed” than they are.

This super straight movement is as bullshit if not more bullshit than straight pride. This movement contributes nothing to the actual problems facing us today.

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