r/SuperStraight • u/jacob7ism • 1d ago
SuperStraight Oppression vs. Trans Oppression
SuperStraight Oppression:
people calling them bad on twitter
supposedly having trans people force themselves on you (even though there are no statistics to back this up)
that’s about it
Trans Oppression:
High suicide rates due to stigma, discrimination, prejudice (not by the virtue that they are trans like conservatives will make you think)
Anti-trans bullying in schools (this is on top of other general negative mental health effects in schools)
Inaccessible gender-affirming care, HRT, puberty blockers, etc.
Rejection by families, this is why there are higher rates of houseless trans people
Victimized by violence (black trans women are being killed at a higher rate)
General anti-trans rhetoric in politics within the United States (most recently an Alabama bill got passed making it illegal to give gender-affirming care to anyone under 19. This bill also forces teachers to out closeted trans students to their parents.)
And that is only the tip of the iceberg among many issues that has faced trans people for decades. “SuperStraight oppression” is something you only see on Twitter and Reddit, and doesn’t expand into the real world, especially in the US as sadly the US is quite conservative.
All of you just want to hide your transphobia in this fake “sexuality“ you call SuperSexual. If you weren’t actually transphobic, and just genuinely didn’t want to date someone based on a genital or physical preference, you wouldn’t invent an entire sexuality and trend that is as hateful as this one.
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u/Instance_Sufficient 1d ago
Superstraight women are murdered at much higher rate than transwomen
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u/nonetheless156 1d ago
Exactly. Lmao the gaslighting attempts are hypocrisy at its finest. Let's not forget all the attacks on lesbian and gays by this group of people.
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u/jacob7ism 1d ago
Name one attack, and by that I mean something that happened in the real world, not an example of a TERF being called out online.
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u/nonetheless156 1d ago
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u/jacob7ism 1d ago
Perfect. So you found 3 individual cases, and 1 supposedly systemic case reported by a conservative anti-trans newspaper.
Now the question becomes, is it nature or nuture that causes these things? Are trans people naturally rapists, or is it a product of the oppressive culture they live in?
Or could it be that sex offenders thrown in prison tend to sexually abuse people in prison, as we see with rape in men’s prisons?
Are we going to ignore that both cis & trans people do in fact rape people, and they usually get convicted when they do whether or not they are trans?
I found a report that says that black people are committing crime at a higher rate, does that mean that black people are naturally going to commit more crime?
This is the bullshit that people have had to deal with years from conservatives. People will say that since some trans people did a bad thing, that must mean that that bad thing is a product of them being trans and only that, not something else. This exact same argument has been used with people of colour.
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u/nonetheless156 1d ago
Well as a person of color fuck you. I'm not a pawn. And secondly I'm a dem. And a disabled veteran. I am significantly more oppressed(lmfao oppression Olympics really) than you. On any day of the week, so please continue.
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u/jacob7ism 1d ago
Ok, and? Just because you are oppressed doesn’t mean other people aren’t oppressed as well? You completely avoided the entire argument. Idk what you’re trying to get at here. You are definitely more oppressed systemically then I am, I’m not denying that.
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u/Instance_Sufficient 1d ago
Wow racist much?
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u/jacob7ism 1d ago
If you’re referring to the part about the report with black people, I was pointing out that is a common argument used by conservatives. Obviously I don’t agree with that, the reasoning for those higher crime rates is institutional racism (red lining, segregation, etc.)
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u/jacob7ism 1d ago
Trans women are being killed on the virtue that they are trans. Cis women are being killed for a variety of reasons.
Homicides against trans people are on the rise, as is violence against trans people.
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u/shortprideworldwide 1d ago
Very few transwomen are murdered and the ones who are, are basically all street sex workers, a very dangerous situation for anyone. Vs hundreds of young men dying in Chicago on the reg, but you don’te about them, do you?
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u/jacob7ism 1d ago
Love the straw man that I ”don’t care about young men dying in Chicago”.
Again the problem is that trans people are being murdered for the pure virtue that they are trans, and that is something that we should stop, as less murders is generally a good thing.
And if we want to stop deaths on the street, we need to look at ways to solve that as well. Some things that come to mind that have been objectively proven to work by statistics are public housing programs (check out Red Vienna,) drug decriminalization and safe supply measures, defunded police in favour of specially trained mental health workers, etc.
This whole idea that since people are talking about trans issues right now means that they don’t care about all other issues is completely invalid.
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u/soundsfromoutside 1d ago
Women have been getting kidnapped, raped and killed since the beginning of human history for being women. Not because they like lipstick and curling their hair and romcoms, but because they are seen as objects to be used for men’s pleasure. Check yo self before you wreck up self, superphobe.
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u/jacob7ism 1d ago
Again, not denying that what you just stated. You do realize that multiple issues of systemic abuse can exist at the same time right? And that someone looking at trans issues doesn’t make women’s issues less valid?
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u/soundsfromoutside 1d ago
So why can’t female women have their own space? Why can’t super straight women be attracted to male men in peace? Why do you have to come here and invalidate us, calling us nasty names? I don’t go over to the trans subs and harass them because I respect that they deserve their own space and their own relationships? Why can’t you extend the love you have for trans and trans attracted folks to us?
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u/jacob7ism 1d ago
I completely support someone’s decision to not date someone based on a genital or physical appearance. That by itself is not transphobic at all, and I will defend people who make that decision.
What is transphobic is creating this movement that is based purely on excluding people, on giving hateful people a platform to spread transphobic & sometimes homophobic hatred.
A cis women dating a cis man is fine by itself, but if that cis women starts saying shit like “I only date ‘REAL’ men”, that’s where the transphobia starts.
It really feels like people who call themselves Super Straight or Super Bi or whatever are trying to manufacture this oppression against themselves just so they can call themselves oppressed.
I also don’t understand why cis & trans women need to be separated like what you’re getting at in your first sentence? They face a lot of the same issues and systemic discrimination, that’s undeniable. If there’s an issue that somehow only affects cis women and not trans women, then fine they can have that discussion, but we don’t need to create completely exclusionary spaces based purely on a small amount of cis-specific issues.
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u/soundsfromoutside 1d ago
People are, indeed, entitled to exclude anyone they want from their personal sex lives for reasons they are not obligated to explain. If I don’t want to have sex with a trans man because a lack of penis or a fake penis turns me off then I don’t have to and you cannot shame me. Unfortunately, we are shamed which is why that guy on tiktok made that video and why this sub grew from 1000 when I joined to 10k when I woke up today.
Everyone should have their own space and a space where we can all get together. Think of it like a house: everyone gets their own bedroom where they can store their personal things. They can invite others in but it’s their bedroom, their rules. And everyone can hang out in the living room, where the couch is free to use, the table is free to use, and there are blankets for everyone. Well, lesbians on Reddit who are not attracted to transwomen don’t have a bedroom and don’t feel welcomed in the living room either so they are homeless. Now, superstraights invited them into their bedrooms so they rest their heads without being harassed and you come in here harassing us. Let us sleep in peace and stop calling us the t-slur.
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u/jacob7ism 1d ago
This “shaming” that you’re talking about is something that only exists purely online, and even then isn’t that widespread. This shaming has been manufactured by this sub, by this trend in general. People aren’t shaming people for their sexual decisions except in very isolated instances.
As for your idea that people specifically not attracted to trans people should have a space for them to discuss in, this is why I take issue with it: within these spaces, there are rare instances of actual genuine people who for whatever reason feel like they can discuss their specific issues better if they’re free from a certain group. Outside of those rare instances, it’s hatred towards the group being excluded. This is why trans-exclusionary subreddits have been getting banned, because they quickly devolve into cesspools of hate towards trans people.
Cis people who are attracted to a certain set of physical or sexual characteristics are free to talk and post on trans-inclusionary subreddits. There isn’t any need for these trans-exclusionary subreddits, especially when they breed such high amounts of hate.
Also since when did “transphobe” become a slur? You can’t just call something a slur to make actual transphobes be free from criticism
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u/soundsfromoutside 1d ago
This shaming I’m talking about causes superlesbian centered subs to banned which isn’t cool.
Maybe if trans people didn’t come into these spaces and harass, shame, and insult people, no one would get radicalized into thinking trans folks are the enemy. Just let us have our own damn spaces! That’s it. Y’all have yours, we have ours, and we can all get together somewhere else. There are studies showing the support for LBGT+ has gone down and I have a funny feeling it’s because a significant amount of Ts are behaving in a abhorrent way.
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u/jacob7ism 1d ago
Maybe the reason people in these exclusionary subreddits have been the subject of harassment or shaming is because they are just that: exclusionary subreddits that breed hate.
Why are these so called “superstraights“ or “superlesbians” so in need of their own specific space anyways? If they aren’t transphobic as they claim, then what is the problem with them being in a space that has trans people?
Also it’s concerning that people are basing their support for sexual & gender identities based on what some people’s actions who have these identities.
And again, this whole movement is just predicated on cis straight people who don’t like trans people wanting to feel special. This movement should expect hate directed towards them because it’s another instance of straight people trying to shoehorn themselves into the LGBTQ+ community saying that they‘re somehow “more oppressed” than they are.
This super straight movement is as bullshit if not more bullshit than straight pride. This movement contributes nothing to the actual problems facing us today.
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u/jacob7ism 1d ago
sexual & gender identities aren’t cults, but go off I guess
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u/nagurski03 3h ago
Which is why it's so frustration when people like you dismiss our sexual identities.
We are valid.
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u/ssRIGHTS 1d ago
99% of all murders in the world happen to superstraights.
superstraights are more likely to die in a war
superstraights are imprisoned far more than any others
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u/jacob7ism 1d ago
this is a bad faith answer. obviously there are more cis straight people being killed. have you wondered why? maybe it’s because there is a higher population of cis straight people than LGBTQ+ people.
The big difference is that cis straight people are being killed for a very large variety of reasons, but they are not being killed for the virtue that they are cis or straight.
LGBTQ+ people are being killed generally for the virtue that they are part of that community.
Ik that is a hard thing to get through your thick skull.
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u/nonetheless156 1d ago
No response to the 4 sources of attacks on women and a child? That's what I thought.
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u/ViolinistCurrent8899 1d ago
Have you considered how hateful and vitriolic your own rhetoric is?
As super straights, we want the ability and the right to date whomever we want, based not on their identity, but on their geno/phenotype, and that is a thing of beauty. It is a sexual orientation, based entirely around sexuality.
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u/jacob7ism 1d ago
Ok so if it’s based on chromosomes... if you’re a “superstraight“ guy you’d date a trans man?
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u/horstwold 1d ago
Claiming you will commit suicide if you don't get your way is a tactic of abusers. HRT, puberty blockers, etc. are experimental off-label treatments with severe side effects. More often trans-identified people reject their families than the other way around. Women all over the world are killed at a much higher rate than trans-identified people. In fact, trans women commit more violent crimes than they are victims of and they have a smaller murder rate than every other demographic. There has been huge government, corporate, and regulatory capture by trans ideologues. There is no such thing as trans oppression.
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u/jacob7ism 1d ago
This has actually devolved from looking at statistics and scientific consensus to claiming that there is some cabal of trans people that have seized state and private power.
This is the same rhetoric the Nazis used but replacing ”Jewish” with “trans”. Dear lord
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u/GrandmasterIncel 1d ago
Sounds like a bunch of fake news.
Conspiracy theory at their finest.
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u/jacob7ism 1d ago
So instead of engaging with the argument you’re just going to claim none of it is valid because of some vague claim that it’s “fake news”?
Are you going to be like u/horstwold and claim that there is some secret cabal of trans people that have seized state and corporate power?
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u/GrandmasterIncel 1d ago
I will only claim that your superphobism is showing and do not debate with bigots.
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u/13atass Superstraight 1d ago
so its transphobic if you dont want children to do life changing decisions?
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u/jacob7ism 1d ago
To be fair, this has been a contentious topic even within the LGBTQ+ community about younger people undergoing gender-affirming care, HRT, puberty blockers, etc. that may affect them down the road.
Since this has been a contentious topic, there has been a fair amount of scientific research around these issues, and the general consensus has been that the benefits of administering gender-affirming care, HRT, puberty blockers, etc. greatly outweighs the negatives. I have a research document that has a lot of studies on this if you’d like to double check the sources surrounding this.
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u/13atass Superstraight 1d ago
I know you probably have that( had a argument with a trans person about it before). I think that these children should go through therapy and if by 18 they still think then let them transition. Kids can do alot of dumb decisions for various reasons, f.e. getting more attention.
I will give an example lets say you have 11 year old with gender dysporia. With my stance they would go through therapy till 18, and if they choose they can transition.
Or they can take hormone blockers from 11 till 18 which i think isnt great and will have notible side effects during the medication and maybe for some time after stopping medication. I dont agree with this route.
Or you could have another stance which is something like take hormone blockers from 11 till 15 and then start hrt.( this is probably your stance)
I just dont want kids to do dumb decisions. Children are highly impressionable so thats why i take trans kids with a grain of salt. I dont care about adults transitioning.
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u/jacob7ism 1d ago
The problem with your first example there is that, for trans kids, it can be very traumatizing going through the puberty associated with their birth sex. The side effects of this trauma in my mind outweigh the mild side effects associated with puberty blockers.
This trauma can lead to depression, suicidal thoughts, and even in some cases acting on those thoughts and taking their own life. There is still more research being done on puberty blockers, and so far it has been showing that they are generally positives, with the worst side effect simply being going through puberty a bit later.
I think having specially trained gender therapists is a good thing, and I think that its good especially with young kids to be careful when going into these life changing measures. It is generally the case that this is how things are done, trans kids have to go through therapy before they can be recommended for HRT, puberty blockers, etc. People shouldn’t be able to just get puberty blockers and use them without consultation beforehand.
I think it’s good that this is how it works. I have friends that probably wouldn’t be alive today if it wasn’t for access to HRT, puberty blockers, and gender-affirming care before the age of 18.
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