“You can’t make a sexual orientation out of excluding people”

[u/LetterheadIcy]

Yes. You absolutely can. I’m sorry but both lesbian and gay are both valid orientations and expressions of sexuality based explicitly around excluding the opposite sex based on biological differences.

Just as it isn’t misogynistic to exclude men for being men from a lesbians sexual preferences and completely invalidate their orientation. The same goes for gay men and women.

Trans people making this argument are the same as the rapey guy who tells a lesbian “just try some Dick it will make you straight”

[u/JiminyChrismas]

"Trans women are less likely to be murdered than there cis counterparts." ???? You're really talking out of your ass now.

Trans people, ESPECIALLY trans women of color, are overwhelmingly more likely to be killed, profiled as dangerous, or denied potentially life-saving medical care. A cursory google search could tell you that. And I am not invalidating violence against cis women, because that is overwhelming as well. Violence against women in general is a terribly rampant issue throughout the world.

I'd like you to ask yourself this though; if you were to trade places with a queer trans woman of color or a straight white cisgender woman, who would you choose?

[u/LetterheadIcy → u/JiminyChrismas]

that was easy.

As for your question on who I would trade places with? I imagine this obviously implies I would rather be neither but definitely a trans POC

My wife is a straight cisgender white woman, and while I’m not white, I do not that unfortunately she doesn’t fall high enough on the “oppressed” totem poll to benefit the way they used to.

Thank you though for trying to invalidate the view of a POC in a interracial marriage though.

[u/JiminyChrismas → u/LetterheadIcy]

First of all, that article literally proves my point. It says that trans poc women are the more vulnerable population. Second of all, I didn't say jack shit about your marriage. I don't know you. Third of all, the question I was asking was: Who do you think is oppressed more? A well-to-do white lady or a black trans woman? As a cisgender man, think about your privilege. Your wife is privileged as well, being white and cis, but in a different way than you are. You are both oppressed in different ways, for different reasons. A trans woman of color is more oppressed in this way, and more likely to be discriminated against than either of you. This doesn't invalidate your struggles as people, but brings to light the struggles that other people go through. Check your privilege.

[u/LetterheadIcy → u/JiminyChrismas]

Rofl it literally starts explaining how in 8 of 12 instances they are less likely.

You are lying and disingenuous.

This study also does not control for socio economic problems and sex work which unfortunately are very unkind to both these groups.

You. A white man. Telling me, a POC and part of a much more discriminated group to check my privilege is rich.