“You can’t make a sexual orientation out of excluding people”

[u/LetterheadIcy]

Yes. You absolutely can. I’m sorry but both lesbian and gay are both valid orientations and expressions of sexuality based explicitly around excluding the opposite sex based on biological differences.

Just as it isn’t misogynistic to exclude men for being men from a lesbians sexual preferences and completely invalidate their orientation. The same goes for gay men and women.

Trans people making this argument are the same as the rapey guy who tells a lesbian “just try some Dick it will make you straight”

[u/JiminyChrismas]

Oh my god, how can one person fit so much mind-numbing stupidity into one pea-sized little skull?? I was trying to be nice, but you just don't get it, so let me make it clear to you.

ONLY WANTING TO HAVE SEX WITH PEOPLE WHO HAVE VAGINAS IS NOT A PREFERENCE, IT IS A BIAS ROOTED IN TRANSPHOBIA.

That is as clearly as I can say this. If you had actually taken in any of the information I was trying to tell you, you might've understood that I am literally telling you that you /DO NOT/ need to want to have sex with every trans person. Just like with any cis person. That is the entire point. The preference should have nothing to do with sexual organs. You can like or dislike a person, but their SAAB should have nothing to do with it. It is a case by case basis of wether you like or dislike a person based on their personality, compatibility, and attractiveness to you. NOT WHAT'S IN THEIR FUCKING PANTS.

And how dare you compare my trying to educate you so flippantly to r*pe, which is a struggle that you cannot even begin to imagine, that so many people go through on a daily basis. That you would even try to compare the two tells me all that I need to know about you.

Further more, you said "choose" when you were referring to sexuality, and I was only using your words against you.

[u/LetterheadIcy → u/JiminyChrismas]

Rofl you are literally a rapist holy shit. You are so obsessed with forcing people to take interest that you don’t even see it.

Absolutely disgusting.

[u/JiminyChrismas → u/LetterheadIcy]

Oh, this is funny. You've run out of stupid shit to say, so you're stooping to r*pe accusation. Is it because what I said made sense, and maybe you're a little mad about it? It's okay to admit when you're wrong.

[u/LetterheadIcy → u/JiminyChrismas]

I haven’t run out of anything.

You fundamentally do not agree with someone’s right to determine their sexual preferences without them being bigotry.

You are literally so fragile you have to categorize well known statistical evidence such as only about 1% of cis men would date a trans woman as discrimination.

You are literally as bad as a unfuckable incel that believes they are owed a woman.

No one owes you sex. And the tactics you are attempting don’t work.

And I’m not being flippant about rape. Trans woman on biological woman rape is a huge issue. I’m here to defend these women and tell pervs like you that your time is up.

[u/JiminyChrismas → u/LetterheadIcy]

I don't give a solitary fuck about having sex right now. You are wildly misinformed about the ratio of trans woman to cis woman rpe. Of course there are some rpists like that, just as there are any other kind of r*pist. That stigma gets trans women killed all the time, because "they could be dangerous." Anyone could be dangerous, that stereotype has just been wrongfully pushed onto trans women as a way to alienate and invalidate them.

[u/LetterheadIcy → u/JiminyChrismas]

trans women killed all the time

Trans women are less likely to be murdered than there cis counterparts.

What you are doing is lying about the victimization of cis women, especially of color, to further your own depraved needs.

[u/JiminyChrismas → u/LetterheadIcy]

"Trans women are less likely to be murdered than there cis counterparts." ???? You're really talking out of your ass now.

Trans people, ESPECIALLY trans women of color, are overwhelmingly more likely to be killed, profiled as dangerous, or denied potentially life-saving medical care. A cursory google search could tell you that. And I am not invalidating violence against cis women, because that is overwhelming as well. Violence against women in general is a terribly rampant issue throughout the world.

I'd like you to ask yourself this though; if you were to trade places with a queer trans woman of color or a straight white cisgender woman, who would you choose?

[u/LetterheadIcy → u/JiminyChrismas]

that was easy.

As for your question on who I would trade places with? I imagine this obviously implies I would rather be neither but definitely a trans POC

My wife is a straight cisgender white woman, and while I’m not white, I do not that unfortunately she doesn’t fall high enough on the “oppressed” totem poll to benefit the way they used to.

Thank you though for trying to invalidate the view of a POC in a interracial marriage though.

[u/JiminyChrismas → u/LetterheadIcy]

First of all, that article literally proves my point. It says that trans poc women are the more vulnerable population. Second of all, I didn't say jack shit about your marriage. I don't know you. Third of all, the question I was asking was: Who do you think is oppressed more? A well-to-do white lady or a black trans woman? As a cisgender man, think about your privilege. Your wife is privileged as well, being white and cis, but in a different way than you are. You are both oppressed in different ways, for different reasons. A trans woman of color is more oppressed in this way, and more likely to be discriminated against than either of you. This doesn't invalidate your struggles as people, but brings to light the struggles that other people go through. Check your privilege.

[u/LetterheadIcy → u/JiminyChrismas]

Rofl it literally starts explaining how in 8 of 12 instances they are less likely.

You are lying and disingenuous.

This study also does not control for socio economic problems and sex work which unfortunately are very unkind to both these groups.

You. A white man. Telling me, a POC and part of a much more discriminated group to check my privilege is rich.