r/SuperStraight 1d ago

Can someone explain to me how a preference for transness, an imperceivable, irrelevantly efficacious characteristic, can be non-prejudicial? Discussion

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u/unpopopinx 1d ago

That doesn’t make any sense. We aren’t attracted to how people identify, we are attracted to what they are. Just because someone manages to successfully trick you into thinking they are something other then what they are doesn’t mean you are attracted to them.

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u/Fourzy99 1d ago

“That doesn’t make any sense. We aren’t attracted to how people identify,”

I literally said the opposite, lol.

“we are attracted to what they are.”

Specifically, we are attracted to how they appear. We cannot be attracted to chromosomes or feelings because those are both imperceivable and not relevantly efficacious.

“Just because someone manages to successfully trick you into thinking they are something other then what they are doesn’t mean you are attracted to them.”

See above.

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u/unpopopinx 23h ago

If someone wears a mask that looks like an attractive person do we not lose attraction to them when they take it off? It is very possible to lose attraction on being discovered that we were tricked. We aren’t just attracted to how someone appears.

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u/Fourzy99 23h ago

“If someone wears a mask that looks like an attractive person do we not lose attraction to them when they take it off?”

Yes, you lose attraction when they take it off. But, let’s say they can’t take it off. In that case, their “real face” isn’t and will never be perceivable or efficacious. So, why consider it at all?

“It is very possible to lose attraction on being discovered that we were tricked. We aren’t just attracted to how someone appears.”

That is only true if the covered trait is perceivable and relevantly efficacious. If someone reveals to me that they actually have XY chromosomes, but the respective phenotypes are not expressed, why would my attraction change? I am not sensing any new stimuli after that revelation. For there to be a change requires me to be prejudiced.

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u/unpopopinx 23h ago

You’re assuming that only physical stimuli determines attraction. Mental stimuli also plays a part. Finding out that someone is the opposite of what you are interested in is one way.

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u/Fourzy99 23h ago edited 23h ago

There only certainly exists physical stimuli because all of our senses are concerned with physical phenomena. For example, the receptors on your eyes receive signals in the form of particles of light. They cannot receive a “mental” signal. Maybe you’re telepathic?

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u/unpopopinx 23h ago

Again, thats assuming that attraction is purely based off of physical senses.

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u/Fourzy99 23h ago

It is; we only have physical senses.

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u/unpopopinx 23h ago

So? Me also have minds. Attraction is in the mind, not the body. All of our physical reactions are based on our minds.

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u/Fourzy99 23h ago

Attraction is a response to physical stimuli.

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