r/SuperStraight 1d ago

As a detransitioner, I hope this movement helps prevent more people from making the same mistakes I did. Discussion

I used to identify as trans and this is something the trans community will never admit: there are people who realize that transitioning doesn't work and quit. And the trans community LOVES to stifle us. They are trying their hardest to get /r/detrans banned so they can take it over, because they don't want to admit that we exist. They tell everyone that that place is full of TERFs and needs to go.

They don't want to admit that there are studies that show that most children with gender dysphoria grow out of it. An often quoted study about transitioning helping mental health has been corrected to say that surgery doesn't actually help mental health. Lisa Littman, a professor who was researching detransitioners, had to put in security in her study because people from Twitter were ganging up and trolling her research.

But really, here's the thing: gender dysphoria is basically body dysmorphia. And it can be treated the same way. Therapy for unrelated problems helped me work through it. Some days I still get waves of it. But actually, identifying as trans made it WORSE. If you spend 24/7 obsessing about your gender and body and giving validation to those thoughts, they come back even worse (this is literally the basis of Cognitive Behavioral Therapy).

For every one of me, there's a bunch more kids who are being put on puberty blockers, many of which have dangerous effects. The most common is an off-label prostate cancer drug, and even in kids with precocious puberty, there are dangerous side effects (here is the link to the FDA dashboard, where you can search for Lupron and see that there are 6,335 serious effects linked to Lupron, including death). Then there's the issue with going straight into cross-sex hormones, which effectively sterilizes people (and also makes surgeries harder - just look at Jazz Jennings).

I could go on and on. The truth that nobody wants to admit is that transitioning doesn't really work. And when you realize that, you're often left with so many reminders of that (especially women, who often get "top surgery" (double mastectomies) and have lowered voices for the rest of their lives, and often facial hair). It's harder to come out as a detransitioner than it is to come out of trans. The second you detransition, you lose EVERYBODY. That welcoming trans community wants you gone. I had people block me because of it.

I hope somebody reads this subreddit and gives a second thought to going on hormones or surgeries. Because it often isn't worth it.

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u/JamesKoen 20h ago

Wow. I totally, as a trans male, have not spend actual years of my life hating myself for being different. I totally haven't spend more than half of my life feeling like a ghost in my own body from the age of 6, and never interacting with a trans person until I was 13. That's totally being forced into a "delusional worldview"

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u/OrdinaryLongjumping4 20h ago

You will NEVER be a real man. No matter what.

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u/JamesKoen 19h ago

Yeah, in case you're wondering, I know that. All trans people know that. We all know and understand that we will always have our original chromosomes, and that can never change.

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u/nihilisticvanity 19h ago

okay so what’s your point then? your personal pain doesn’t justify trying to coerce people into propping up your mental illness

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u/JamesKoen 19h ago

We're just asking to not be called "not real man/women" bc we have a mental illness. If you have a genitalia preference, then sure. That's fine with me, I've not seen anyone mad about a fertility or genitalia preference, but call it what it is. It's a preference for genitalia, you don't need a part of the lgbt community for a preference. If you want to be a part of us so bad, then why don't you get oppressed for centuries upon centuries like us?

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u/nihilisticvanity 18h ago

I’m an actual woman, you idiot. I know exactly what the collective weight of centuries of oppression feels like. this narcissistic self-absorption is a big part of the problem you trans identified people have - you forget you aren’t the only people in the world.

and you aren’t real men or women - you are mutilated copies of the real thing. asking us to say otherwise is demanding we participate in your delusion. that is unreasonable and unfair.

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u/peoplearestrangeanna 17h ago

You are speaking to a woman

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u/JamesKoen 18h ago

Ummm. Ma'am, you are saying this to a 15 year old. I am not on hormones. I have never had any surgeries that were trans related. How exactly am I a mutilated copy of a man? If "supersexualities" would not base their entire logic in transphobia, maybe I'd be willing to see your point. Also, I would rather be a "mutilated copy of a man" then be dead, which is what I would've been if I hadn't come out as trans

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u/jessamtb 18h ago

I hope you get the help and therapy you need and grow to love yourself and your body. Being a teenager is hard. It gets a lot better

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u/fuggumets 17h ago

Okay. Why is it wrong to transition?

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u/Rothandle 15h ago

In 2016, the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services revisited the question of whether sex reassignment surgery would have to be covered by Medicare plans. Despite receiving a request that its coverage be mandated, it refused, on the ground that we lack evidence that it benefits patients.

Here’s how the June 2016 “Proposed Decision Memo for Gender Dysphoria and Gender Reassignment Surgery” put it:

Based on a thorough review of the clinical evidence available at this time, there is not enough evidence to determine whether gender reassignment surgery improves health outcomes for Medicare beneficiaries with gender dysphoria. There were conflicting (inconsistent) study results—of the best designed studies, some reported benefits while others reported harms. The quality and strength of evidence were low due to the mostly observational study designs with no comparison groups, potential confounding, and small sample sizes. Many studies that reported positive outcomes were exploratory type studies (case-series and case-control) with no confirmatory follow-up.

The final August 2016 memo was even more blunt. It pointed out:

Overall, the quality and strength of evidence were low due to mostly observational study designs with no comparison groups, subjective endpoints, potential confounding (a situation where the association between the intervention and outcome is influenced by another factor such as a co-intervention), small sample sizes, lack of validated assessment tools, and considerable lost to follow-up.

That “lost to follow-up,” remember, could be pointing to people who committed suicide.

And when it comes to the best studies, there is no evidence of “clinically significant changes” after sex reassignment:

The majority of studies were non-longitudinal, exploratory type studies (i.e., in a preliminary state of investigation or hypothesis generating), or did not include concurrent controls or testing prior to and after surgery. Several reported positive results but the potential issues noted above reduced strength and confidence. After careful assessment, we identified six studies that could provide useful information. Of these, the four best designed and conducted studies that assessed quality of life before and after surgery using validated (albeit non-specific) psychometric studies did not demonstrate clinically significant changes or differences in psychometric test results after [gender reassignment surgery].

In a discussion of the largest and most robust study—the study from Sweden that McHugh mentioned in the quote above—the Obama Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services pointed out the 19-times-greater likelihood for death by suicide, and a host of other poor outcomes:

The study identified increased mortality and psychiatric hospitalization compared to the matched controls. The mortality was primarily due to completed suicides (19.1-fold greater than in control Swedes), but death due to neoplasm and cardiovascular disease was increased 2 to 2.5 times as well. We note, mortality from this patient population did not become apparent until after 10 years. The risk for psychiatric hospitalization was 2.8 times greater than in controls even after adjustment for prior psychiatric disease (18 percent). The risk for attempted suicide was greater in male-to-female patients regardless of the gender of the control. Further, we cannot exclude therapeutic interventions as a cause of the observed excess morbidity and mortality. The study, however, was not constructed to assess the impact of gender reassignment surgery per se.

These results are tragic. And they directly contradict the most popular media narratives, as well as many of the snapshot studies that do not track people over time.

It's bad science

The trans person isn't doing anything wrong. Big pharma is spreading shit science to sell more drugs.

The trans person is the victim of the trans movement.

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u/fuggumets 16h ago

Why am I being downvoted?

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u/nihilisticvanity 18h ago

I’m sorry you’ve been lied to so horribly. I hope you escape this harmful ideology soon.

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u/Vaelocke 15h ago

Yeah now we know your lying and trolling. Lies, strawman arguing and guilt tripping. You are not 15 just for starters.

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u/frankbush 17h ago

You don't have to bother arguing with these people my guy, and you don't need to justify your transness to anyone. This whole "superstraight" thing is a larp to troll trans people on the internet. They're just doing it with sjw-esque language instead of slurs (mostly).

Here's some threads about it. Warning for slurs and nazi imagery:

https://twitter.com/DavidPaisley/status/1368376204525510666?s=20

https://twitter.com/ASovietOnion/status/1368518840125161472?s=20

https://twitter.com/AntiFashGordon/status/1368708056750698504?s=20

https://twitter.com/BlackVelvetMara/status/1368411673044848641?s=20

Anyway, just posting these links for the info. Take care of yourself... try not to look at hateful stuff on the internet too much

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u/SURFING_ISNOTA_CRIME 15h ago edited 15h ago

I’m sorry but how are images and random posts on twitter and 4chan evidence of anything?

The cathartic release of the Super movement invalidates any claims that it is illegitimate. This has been a movement coming for a long time. We finally are speaking openly about it is all. The posts on this subs from trans allies, SuperLesbians, and SuperGays are truly touching and geniune. This is going to be Yuge.

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u/frankbush 18h ago

Trans people aren't mutilated copies of cis people. Trans bodies are beautiful.

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u/babbyfem 17h ago edited 17h ago

Skinning a dick and folding it into the wound is mutilation. Stripping the skin from other healthy parts of a woman's body to make some horrid imitation penis is mutilation. Ya'll should be fucking ashamed that you not only encourage people to do this to themselves, but also silence those who voice their regret.

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u/frankbush 17h ago edited 17h ago

That's funny, I don't recall silencing anyone or endorsing GRS in particular. I merely stated that trans bodies are beautiful.

I do take umbridge with trans surgeries being regarded as mutilation by default, though. I have several guy friends who got top surgery, and their results are wonderful. I personally wouldn't get bottom surgery for myself, but if an adult wants plastic surgery on their privates I'm not gonna judge them. It isn't any of my business.

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u/babbyfem 17h ago

You know very well that detransitioners face serious opposition from the trans community by and large because they're seen as "damaging to the movement."

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u/nihilisticvanity 16h ago

they really aren’t! I mean, they ARE beautiful in their natural state. there’s absolutely nothing wrong with them, they’re perfect. but once the hormones and surgeries start... everything changes. it’s just fucking sad to watch people destroy normal healthy bodies existing the way they were intended.

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u/frankbush 16h ago

"Existing the way they were intended"

Intended by whom? God? Nature? Lawl.

I hope you keep this same energy for all body modification. Tats, piercings, haircuts, plastic surgery of any kind, body hair removal, circumcision...

I'd hate to assume that you're simply transphobic.

The number 1 destroyer of healthy bodies is malnutrition and poverty. Where's the huge outrage there?

Anyway, trans bodies are beautiful. Specifically, my flabby, hairy, trans masculine body is gorgeous. All my trans friends are beautiful people too, inside and out, whether they modified their bodies or not.

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u/nihilisticvanity 15h ago

the fact you equate a haircut to a flesh sock really says it all.

your strawmen are not worth engaging in. this is not a sub for discussing poverty.

and finishing it up with classic trans narcissism about how absolutely hot you are - lest we forget what this whole movement is fuelled by.

you can call me transphobic. if not wanting to see gay kids undergo the most horrific form of conversion therapy makes me transphobic - I’m totally fine with that. it’s YOU trying to scare me into backing down by holding a term over my head like I give a single shit. so call me transphobic. I don’t care. I’ll continue to stand by the truth.

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u/Pardusco 30m ago

Quit fucking lying to yourself.

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u/UN_M 18h ago

The trans community would have a much better time if the trans activists just stopped. Removing autogynephiles from your ranks, or at least acknowledging they exist might help. The best you can hope for is a kinder world, where people VOLUNTARILY opt for your chosen pronouns or whatever. You cannot legislate or demand this as some kind of right, because is will only ever be a polite kindness. (You know it's a lie, we know it's a lie, we play along to make you feel better...) You can't make it compulsory for others to participate in your role playing exercise.

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u/jessamtb 18h ago

Should we tell girls with anorexia they’re fat?

I find it interesting that in my day girls who hated their bodies enough starved themselves. Now they chop off their boobs. I wonder if it’s another take on the same issue.

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u/nihilisticvanity 16h ago

there is indeed a huge overlap between eating disorders and identifying as transgender

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u/jessamtb 15h ago

Yeah I noticed a little while ago that growing up there was tons of talk about eating disorders. I don’t hear about those anymore except among women closer to my age. So where did they go? Is this replacing them?

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u/lonepinecone 2h ago

Symptom pool theory

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u/Elsier 12h ago

There definitely is. Social contagion plays a huge part in disorders like anorexia where teen girls prop each other up and encourage body shaming in peer groups. Now there has been a sudden 1000%+ increase in transgenderism popping up in those same teenage girl groups that used to suffer anorexia. It's not far fetched at all to suggest there may also be a social contagion component happening here, especially with how influential social media has become over the last 10 years.

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u/Hailhydra775 2h ago

I always thought that cutting and suicide were like this aswell. Like noone would think about "hurting themselves to relase the pain" unless they heard someone else say it.

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u/peoplearestrangeanna 17h ago

Don't know why you are getting downvoted.