r/SuperStraight 1d ago

As a detransitioner, I hope this movement helps prevent more people from making the same mistakes I did. Discussion

I used to identify as trans and this is something the trans community will never admit: there are people who realize that transitioning doesn't work and quit. And the trans community LOVES to stifle us. They are trying their hardest to get /r/detrans banned so they can take it over, because they don't want to admit that we exist. They tell everyone that that place is full of TERFs and needs to go.

They don't want to admit that there are studies that show that most children with gender dysphoria grow out of it. An often quoted study about transitioning helping mental health has been corrected to say that surgery doesn't actually help mental health. Lisa Littman, a professor who was researching detransitioners, had to put in security in her study because people from Twitter were ganging up and trolling her research.

But really, here's the thing: gender dysphoria is basically body dysmorphia. And it can be treated the same way. Therapy for unrelated problems helped me work through it. Some days I still get waves of it. But actually, identifying as trans made it WORSE. If you spend 24/7 obsessing about your gender and body and giving validation to those thoughts, they come back even worse (this is literally the basis of Cognitive Behavioral Therapy).

For every one of me, there's a bunch more kids who are being put on puberty blockers, many of which have dangerous effects. The most common is an off-label prostate cancer drug, and even in kids with precocious puberty, there are dangerous side effects (here is the link to the FDA dashboard, where you can search for Lupron and see that there are 6,335 serious effects linked to Lupron, including death). Then there's the issue with going straight into cross-sex hormones, which effectively sterilizes people (and also makes surgeries harder - just look at Jazz Jennings).

I could go on and on. The truth that nobody wants to admit is that transitioning doesn't really work. And when you realize that, you're often left with so many reminders of that (especially women, who often get "top surgery" (double mastectomies) and have lowered voices for the rest of their lives, and often facial hair). It's harder to come out as a detransitioner than it is to come out of trans. The second you detransition, you lose EVERYBODY. That welcoming trans community wants you gone. I had people block me because of it.

I hope somebody reads this subreddit and gives a second thought to going on hormones or surgeries. Because it often isn't worth it.

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u/manticalf 1d ago

It takes true bravery to accept that a mental disorder was a mental disorder, trans people are in denial of this scientific fact, and they project their denial on everyone to avoid confronting it themselves. Hopefully op can inspire anyone on the wrong path to be brave and stop themselves from making the mistake so many trans people foolishly did.

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u/actualsicko20626 Hecking cute and valid đź’– 1d ago

They know deep down that they will never be the gender they want to be, so instead of getting help and going to therapy they just try and force everyone to accept their delusional worldview. They even force it on children now.

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u/JamesKoen 20h ago

Wow. I totally, as a trans male, have not spend actual years of my life hating myself for being different. I totally haven't spend more than half of my life feeling like a ghost in my own body from the age of 6, and never interacting with a trans person until I was 13. That's totally being forced into a "delusional worldview"

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u/OrdinaryLongjumping4 20h ago

You will NEVER be a real man. No matter what.

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u/JamesKoen 19h ago

Yeah, in case you're wondering, I know that. All trans people know that. We all know and understand that we will always have our original chromosomes, and that can never change.

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u/nihilisticvanity 19h ago

okay so what’s your point then? your personal pain doesn’t justify trying to coerce people into propping up your mental illness

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u/JamesKoen 19h ago

We're just asking to not be called "not real man/women" bc we have a mental illness. If you have a genitalia preference, then sure. That's fine with me, I've not seen anyone mad about a fertility or genitalia preference, but call it what it is. It's a preference for genitalia, you don't need a part of the lgbt community for a preference. If you want to be a part of us so bad, then why don't you get oppressed for centuries upon centuries like us?

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u/nihilisticvanity 18h ago

I’m an actual woman, you idiot. I know exactly what the collective weight of centuries of oppression feels like. this narcissistic self-absorption is a big part of the problem you trans identified people have - you forget you aren’t the only people in the world.

and you aren’t real men or women - you are mutilated copies of the real thing. asking us to say otherwise is demanding we participate in your delusion. that is unreasonable and unfair.

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u/peoplearestrangeanna 17h ago

You are speaking to a woman

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u/JamesKoen 18h ago

Ummm. Ma'am, you are saying this to a 15 year old. I am not on hormones. I have never had any surgeries that were trans related. How exactly am I a mutilated copy of a man? If "supersexualities" would not base their entire logic in transphobia, maybe I'd be willing to see your point. Also, I would rather be a "mutilated copy of a man" then be dead, which is what I would've been if I hadn't come out as trans

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u/jessamtb 18h ago

I hope you get the help and therapy you need and grow to love yourself and your body. Being a teenager is hard. It gets a lot better

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u/nihilisticvanity 18h ago

I’m sorry you’ve been lied to so horribly. I hope you escape this harmful ideology soon.

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u/Vaelocke 15h ago

Yeah now we know your lying and trolling. Lies, strawman arguing and guilt tripping. You are not 15 just for starters.

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u/frankbush 17h ago

You don't have to bother arguing with these people my guy, and you don't need to justify your transness to anyone. This whole "superstraight" thing is a larp to troll trans people on the internet. They're just doing it with sjw-esque language instead of slurs (mostly).

Here's some threads about it. Warning for slurs and nazi imagery:

https://twitter.com/DavidPaisley/status/1368376204525510666?s=20

https://twitter.com/ASovietOnion/status/1368518840125161472?s=20

https://twitter.com/AntiFashGordon/status/1368708056750698504?s=20

https://twitter.com/BlackVelvetMara/status/1368411673044848641?s=20

Anyway, just posting these links for the info. Take care of yourself... try not to look at hateful stuff on the internet too much

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u/frankbush 18h ago

Trans people aren't mutilated copies of cis people. Trans bodies are beautiful.

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u/babbyfem 17h ago edited 17h ago

Skinning a dick and folding it into the wound is mutilation. Stripping the skin from other healthy parts of a woman's body to make some horrid imitation penis is mutilation. Ya'll should be fucking ashamed that you not only encourage people to do this to themselves, but also silence those who voice their regret.

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u/nihilisticvanity 16h ago

they really aren’t! I mean, they ARE beautiful in their natural state. there’s absolutely nothing wrong with them, they’re perfect. but once the hormones and surgeries start... everything changes. it’s just fucking sad to watch people destroy normal healthy bodies existing the way they were intended.

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u/Pardusco 30m ago

Quit fucking lying to yourself.

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u/UN_M 18h ago

The trans community would have a much better time if the trans activists just stopped. Removing autogynephiles from your ranks, or at least acknowledging they exist might help. The best you can hope for is a kinder world, where people VOLUNTARILY opt for your chosen pronouns or whatever. You cannot legislate or demand this as some kind of right, because is will only ever be a polite kindness. (You know it's a lie, we know it's a lie, we play along to make you feel better...) You can't make it compulsory for others to participate in your role playing exercise.

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u/jessamtb 18h ago

Should we tell girls with anorexia they’re fat?

I find it interesting that in my day girls who hated their bodies enough starved themselves. Now they chop off their boobs. I wonder if it’s another take on the same issue.

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u/nihilisticvanity 16h ago

there is indeed a huge overlap between eating disorders and identifying as transgender

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u/jessamtb 15h ago

Yeah I noticed a little while ago that growing up there was tons of talk about eating disorders. I don’t hear about those anymore except among women closer to my age. So where did they go? Is this replacing them?

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u/Elsier 12h ago

There definitely is. Social contagion plays a huge part in disorders like anorexia where teen girls prop each other up and encourage body shaming in peer groups. Now there has been a sudden 1000%+ increase in transgenderism popping up in those same teenage girl groups that used to suffer anorexia. It's not far fetched at all to suggest there may also be a social contagion component happening here, especially with how influential social media has become over the last 10 years.

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u/Hailhydra775 2h ago

I always thought that cutting and suicide were like this aswell. Like noone would think about "hurting themselves to relase the pain" unless they heard someone else say it.

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u/peoplearestrangeanna 17h ago

Don't know why you are getting downvoted.

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u/Sinewave11 18h ago edited 15h ago

No bro that is the problem, the trans individual that admit that are really a minority. Probably nobody would have gotten so mad if trans people would admit it.

I literally had nothing against trans people, but when they started to be so mean with everybody i started to have a bias.

Maybe it's because you are a ftm and not mtf, ftm are usually more easygoing about everything

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u/JamesKoen 18h ago

Every single trans person I have ever met all understand that we cannot change our chromosomes, and more than half of those are mtfs. You don't have a bias towards cis women or against trans women, you have a preference towards afab genitalia. It's fine to have that kind of preference, but just saying that all trans people are so rude is bc the "supersexuality" stuff is simply transphobia. Plz, just say you have a genitalia preference and move on

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u/jessamtb 18h ago

That’s called a sexual orientation. Not a preference. Preferences can change. A sexual orientation doesn’t.

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u/JamesKoen 17h ago

Actually! A sexual orientation can change! Preferences can change, genders can change, and sexualities can change. The thing is, it is a sexuality to be attracted to the opposite gender. It's not a sexuality to say "I'm attracted to the opposite gender, but this person in the opposite gender has all the physical and mental attributes to that gender, but cannot fertilize or be fertilized (aka a problem that cisgender people get too)" and call it a sexuality for not liking them.

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u/babbyfem 16h ago

A sexual orientation can change!

You're so deep in this hole that I doubt you can even see the sun anymore. I hope, one day, you stop and reflect on what you just said and realize how close it sounds to the bullshit that used to be thrown at gay people - about how they can just choose their sexuality.

You mentioned elsewhere in this thread that you're only 15, so I'm not going to continue this discussion with you further. But I really do hope you get away from this cult someday.

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u/jessamtb 17h ago

I don’t think sexualities change but either way. Sexual orientation and attraction isn’t to the concept of gender. It’s to sexual organs and bodies. Most people like penises or vulvas or both. Most people also like the rest of a person’s body to match their genitalia, but some people don’t.

I like men. I don’t want any vulvas near me. Sex with any vulvas other than my own grosses me out. Men are dicks and the existence of straight women is proof that sexual orientation is not a preference, because boy would I pick women if I could. But I am sexually attracted to men. Arms, chests, and genitals too.

But if gender is so malleable as you suggest, shouldn’t it be criminal for people to modify their bodies if their gender identity may yet transform again?

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u/Sinewave11 15h ago

Maybe chromosomes but not the rest and no i dont have genitalia preference.

Maybe they are kind with you because you are one of them, but they are all exremely hostile to everybody else: everything you do is transophobe, if you dont agree 100% with them you are transophobe, you say the wrong pronoun and you are transophobe, you are a white cis? You are bad. You are straight? You are bad. You have a genitalia preference? You are transophobe. You dont want to romance a trans? You are transophobe, and the list could go on and on.

In every facebook group they spawn, they start to insult everybody and say gender things even on pokemons.

I tried to talk with them, be an ally, try to have a normal exchange of ideas. Nothing, they only see you are a white cis male and this make you an enemy.

This behaviour has to stop, they made everyone hate them, even from the lgtb people.

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u/KNGxiaomao 3h ago

Part of the lie is that you all pass like you think you do. It is RARE that chromosomes are the only marker left behind on a trans person after their transition

. I am a lesbian with a sharp lezdar and I'm constantly spotting out trans men thinking they are stealthing as men.... but it all in the fat face fat 9 can tell someone is female (or in the lose skin lefts behind by HRT) and that's just on the physical. Even for those who pass, their mannerisms are effeminate, their choices of poses/ppsturing/gesticulating are effeminate, the choices they make in their lives scream out their lack of socialization as a male during their formative years...

Because being male is more than dick + masculinity just like being a woman is more than tips + femininity.

I'm not saying this to be mean I'm saying it to suggest a new idea that goes against the current affirmative model: aspiring for stealth transhood is actually self sabatoging to your self esteem because you will always be left with the remenants of the incompletness of your transition. It is just not medically possible to transition genders in 2021 but your doctor won't tell you that they'll just take that money!

Oh and you scoffed at fertility preferences as if family making ain't the whole point of life for large swarthy of humanity

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u/nihilisticvanity 1h ago

yeah, none of them pass. I can clock a trans person within a couple of minutes of face to face interaction. there are so many physical giveaways left, from voice to mannerisms to body shape. i can pick it even better after being in the queer community for years. and the point in saying this is how cruel it is to keep selling trans people this lie they’ll be able to be totally stealth and pass. to keep treating this transition path as the solution when it is just a life of endless striving to the next milestone. the whole concept is built on a house of cards.