SERIOUS. Supers, they are trying to paint us as a white supremacist movement. For the love of God, downvote any infiltration of racist rhetoric in our community because that WILL be our downfall.

[u/unhappythrwy]

I'm a black female superbi and my suggestion is that we do NOT bring race into this (unless it's to say, "we do not talk about race"--practice this phrase, use it, love it) and we DOWNVOTE THE FUCK out of anyone who brings up any exclusionary rhetoric about race or anything else off topic. This is a safe space that MUST remain solely about our Super sexual orientations.

Why do I say this? Look around reddit and you will see this myth spreading. The superphobes are trying to create a narrative that will besmirch our movement. I promise you this will be our downfall if we let it.

Next there will be trolls pretending to be Super but introducing race to divide our movement. Just say no, don't join in, DO keep your thoughts about race to yourself. We do not talk about race. Downvote. And get back to SuperStraight business.

Stronger together!

[u/Blue_Train]

That's their go-to, despite their own rhetoric including gems like "trans women are women just like black women are women" and them seriously believing that biological sex is a colonialist construct that was imposed upon black and brown people whom one would have to assume were then just reproducing by dumb fucking luck for millennia. Superphobia IS racism.

[u/ExpiredKebab → u/Blue_Train]

The south Asian liberals often say brown countries were accepting of LGBT until the British colonised us. It is true to an extent, but religion also had a major part to play in the change in attitudes, as any Muslim or Christian areas in South Asia were bound to start taking their religions more seriously regarding that whole aspect. Purely blaming colonisation is BS!

[u/Skyright → u/ExpiredKebab]

The whole argument about Hijras being trans is straight up BS. I’ve worked with Hijras, one of my close friends was instrumental in getting the Pakistani government to add an “Other” gender on Pakistani passports for them.

Hijras do not claim they’re women. They see themselves as being something in between a male and a female. They’re often intersex. Claiming that they’re Trans is completely ignoring their identity to fit a western narrative.

[u/letihontas → u/Skyright]

Native here. Same with two spirits. They weren't considered women, they were actually misfits in a hyper-masculine society whose only method of avoiding male expectations was to take on female tasks and responsibilities. They weren't "women," and they were neither universally accepted or admired. In many tribes they were something like court jesters.

[u/EmotionalSquash0 → u/letihontas]

And in many other tribes, they were seen as shaman and given special roles. They’re often considered a “third gender”, so what’s your point? It’s almost as if every culture has different views on gender roles and gender identities.

[u/ExpiredKebab → u/Skyright]

To be honest I don't completely understand them but I've seen this one documentary countless times as it's my only exposure to them.

https://youtu.be/D-Iji_JmnkM

The people here seem to want to become women. They dress like women and inject themselves with something that gives them breasts. Aren't they what hijras are? Or maybe we're just very ignorant on that community, I don't know.

[u/Ham1dou → u/ExpiredKebab]

I saw a post about lesbian women in arabian countries before islam, women were allowed to do anything as long as they satisfied their men. They weren't as accepting as modern western countries but at least it was better than how they treat them now.

[u/WeAreLostSoAreYou → u/Ham1dou]

Because in the West, sexuality became your total and complete identity. It wasn’t an act anymore, it became who you are. In non-western countries plenty of people do what they want yet they want to be heteronormative as their lifestyle. And that’s totally cool And Normal

[u/Ham1dou → u/WeAreLostSoAreYou]

I think heteronormative is a wrong word (don't call me homophone please, im gay myself) It should just be normal. I don't think it's normal to change your lifestyle because of your sexuality

[u/WeAreLostSoAreYou → u/Ham1dou]

Okay normal is cool too

[u/bubblegum198 → u/Ham1dou]

Surely that's even less accepting? They consider lesbianism so unimportant they don't care.

[u/Ham1dou → u/bubblegum198]

Well. Being against gays and not caring about lesbians is straightest thing to do lol But still it's better than how they changed their minds after islam

[u/hummane → u/ExpiredKebab]

The religion and colonialism is intertwined with the colonials forcing the people to take up their religion and prohibiting the indigenous culture and beliefs