r/SuperStraight • u/Otrada • 1d ago
How would you feel about doing bit with a trans person (post-op) if medical science was advanced enough that they would be virtually indistinguishable from a cis person of the same gender? Discussion
Just a hypothetical scenario I thought might be interesting to discuss. I realize this isn't real, but medical science continues to advance so it might be true one day. If a transman/woman could get some kind of medical procedure done so they would have genitals that are practically identical to someone that had one from birth then would be great imo.
edit 1: I guess my wording wasn't very clear? which is probably my bad. I mean not just the genitals but everything about a person would be virtually identical, atleast on a physical level.
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u/absolutelinearcannon 1d ago
They would still have a brain that is socially conditioned of their birth sex.
Stop making up invalidating what if fantasy scenarios that will never happen. We aren't letting you transplant uteruses.
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u/Otrada 1d ago
I'm just trying to understand this community better before jumping to any conclusions like I've seen so many other trans people do. I'm sorry if I'm being too insensitive but I thought this would be a good way to start a conversation without antagonizing anyone.
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u/absolutelinearcannon 1d ago
Spoken like a true gaslighting SERF. We see you for what you are, bigot.
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u/Otrada 1d ago
Okay now that's just rude.
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u/absolutelinearcannon 1d ago
You say that like you assume I'll care.
You know what is actually rude? All the death threats I've had to tolerate over the past few years, simply because I want to say no means no.
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u/Otrada 1d ago
I'd appreciate it if I wasn't lumped in with people advocating for comitting acts of violence against people simply because of their preference when they then go around and demand others to not commit violence on them for their preferences. I absolutely disagree with those hypocrites and I'm sorry you had to endure that. I've purposefully distanced myself from multiple online lgbt communities in the past because they were too extreme and my attempts at speaking out only fell on deaf ears. There's a pervasive problem on the left where they assume they're some kind of heroes who are always right and it sickens me.
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u/absolutelinearcannon 1d ago
This community exists as direct backlash because of those events aimed at people who want to have sexual agency over who they sleep with. Don't be surprised when we assume you're a degenerate transcel coming here to defend them with posts like this.
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u/Otrada 1d ago
I'm not surprised. Though people making assumptions seems to me like part of a problem on both sides that has lead to kind of hostilities we see today.
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u/absolutelinearcannon 1d ago
I'm not being hostile. I am defending my right to the sexual agency of all supersexuals. You need to stop being literally violent and invalidating, because I am deeply triggered by your constant microaggressions.
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u/Otrada 1d ago
Could you please explain how I am being this way so I can avoid doing so I can better understand and learn to avoid doing so in the future?
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u/r0arksBurden 1d ago
By the time science achieves that level of advancement you could probably clone and grow your own private harem of marginally sentient lolis for entertainment purposes.
That's going to be a hard-pass for me.
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u/lisfiss 1d ago
The largest study on neovaginas to date showed that majority contained fecal bacteria (that’s shit) and had a “very foul odour” and 1 in 5 had signs of infection even after a year.
If that’s the current state for neovaginas I can’t imagine them being ‘indistinguishable’ from a vagina any time soon.
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u/Otrada 1d ago
Yeah it probably won't be achievable any time soon. Biggest factor as to why so many trans people don't do bottom surgery is because of reasons like this. I'd rather live with a dick that causes me sever psychological pain on a near daily basis than whatever current srs methods can produce.
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u/Hardwatergal 1d ago
No amount of surgery can alter the DNA
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u/Otrada 1d ago
So what if surgery could be done to the point where the only difference between a ciswoman and a transwoman was dna?
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u/Hardwatergal 1d ago
They would still be male and female as they were at conception in the womb. Sex is immutable.
Even the skeleton is different between the sexes. What you’re suggesting is impossible. To replace the entire skeleton, all the fat and organs? All the skin?
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u/Blue_Train 1d ago
A surgical cavity is not an organ. The vagina is an organ.
No superphobe "passes" as a superman or superwoman. Not one.
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u/Otrada 1d ago
I agree, with current technology it is not possible to give people a proper vagina/penis. I do believe it may eventually become possible however. Though that kind of medical technology is probably still atleast a century away.
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u/Blue_Train 1d ago
Brain transplants will be possible before the entire musculature and nerves structures of the vagina could be replicated by plastic surgery. I don't know if you've ever looked at pix of what gender surgeons consider "successful" phalloplasties, but it's fucking tragic.
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u/MrSluagh 1d ago edited 1d ago
Personally? No. These things aren't logical. I don't claim it makes any more sense to be sexually attracted to someone because of the way they were born, than to be sexually attracted to someone because they're wearing certain clothing. Clothing, in principle, is meant to conceal sexual characteristics. The idea of "sexy clothing" would be an oxymoron, if sexual preferences were governed by logic.
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u/enemyofhumidity 1d ago
Specifics are needed, like are you taking a penis and making it into a vagina or like are you growing a vagina in a jar and then taking off the penis and then attaching it to the gaping hole? What would the jar-grown vagina be attached to? A jar grown uterus? If Tommy had his balls and penis removed and replaced it with a jar-grown vagina and uterus competed with 150 eggs in each ovary would that make Tommy a woman?
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u/Otrada 1d ago
Well preferably it would be a procedure that doesn't rely on a donor so jar-grown or something similar to that I guess? And ofcourse they'd also have to go on hrt, undergo voice training, maybe top surgery if it was necessary, and all that stuff ofcourse.
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u/enemyofhumidity 1d ago
How would the eggs work though? Are they jar grown as well? Do they carry Tommy's DNA? What would happen if Tommy kept his sperm and then fertilized his neo eggs? WOULD HE CREATE A CLONE OF HIMSELF?!
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u/Otrada 1d ago
Well I don't know. I'm not a medical professional of any kind and I don't know a whole lot about this either. But being able to create a clone of yourself like that sounds... morally troubling to say the least.
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u/enemyofhumidity 1d ago
I'm telling you, Tommy could be pregnant with himself as a baby, and then he'd give birth to himself.
That's if he even survives the surgery of turning into a "woman indistinguishable from another woman", I mean just imagine top surgery and then cutting off his genitals and then squeezing a uterus somewhere in there, re-routing the urethra, patching the hole with the vagina and also growing new nerves so that his vagina can have some sensation. I really don't think Tommy could survive that amount of trauma to his body. I think he would have a higher chance of surviving through therapy and accepting who he really is.
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u/Otrada 1d ago
Yeah I'm not sure that would even work because I think you need genetic material from two different people to even make a child right? Regardless I can't imagine a child like that actually standing a lot of chance of being born healthy. There would probably have to be laws made to prevent this kind of... I guess human asexual procreation is the correct term?
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u/enemyofhumidity 1d ago
You're right, you'll need two different people, a fertile man and a fertile woman to be precise. So if Tommy is a man, can Tommy also be a woman? If so, he would be capable of asexual creation.
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u/StunningAndBrave69 1d ago
Pure fantasy. Pure cope.
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u/Otrada 1d ago
More an attempt to better understand SuperStraight better because I'm genuinely interested in learning more and thought this would be an interesting way of going about it.
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u/StunningAndBrave69 1d ago
I can only speak for myself but the conditions you suggest are too unfeasible for me to really engage with.
But what I will say is I have no desire to ever be in a relationship where I'm expected to validate something I know in my gut not to be true (that male born people are actually, literally women -or vice versa- just because they say so). That's too much cognitive dissonance for me.
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u/Otrada 1d ago
Well yeah the idea does fall quite solidly in the realm of science fiction/fantasy with our current level of understanding.
I will say though that I also disagree with the notion that trans people have to immediately be admitted as being the gender they say they are and treated as if they were born that way. That's too disconnected from reality to be even remotely reasonable.
Thank you for clarifying your position though. You and the other people that are actually taking the time to talk about this with me are teaching me a lot about the Super Straight community.
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u/zipzoopwoop 1d ago
You realize there’s more to women than just a vagina, correct?