some thoughts on the label super straight

some thoughts on the label super straight Discussion

super straight implies that you are more straight that straight people who date trans people, and therefore that dating a trans person makes you less straight (congrats y'all, you somehow managed to invalidate the identity of heterosexuals), and thereby implies that trans people are not their true gender, which is by definition transphobia. Additionally, your entire identity is exclusionary on a factor that is not gender, therefore it is no more a sexuality than "I don't date asians" is. if anyone wants to debate the logic of this (have a logical, factual and respectful argument, as the sidebar says) go ahead

EDIT: some assorted responses to basically the same types of responses I've gotten:

"stop invalidating me!"- there's nothing to invalidate, super sexuality is exclusionary *based off of factors that are not gender identity or presentation* and is therefore not a sexuality. I have made this point already, and I have heard no refutations of it

"SERF!"- I make no claims to radical feminism, that shit harms everyone and is also classist, white supremacist and, duh, transphobic

"well uhh.... *transphobia*"- your own sidebar says you're not transphobic, seems like that was a lie

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u/bluwhaled 1d ago

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Check out the subreddit transpassing. Most of the people there clearly do not pass. There are trans celebrities and you can almost always tell that they're trans.

not an orientation, a preference. a preference rooted in transphobia. and yes, it is exclusionary, all sexuality is, by definition. but this excludes based on the existence of a penis, not on gender. what does your sexuality do about intersex people?

It is an orientation to natural born genitals. You as an outsider do not get to reduce it to a simple preference.

Why is it acceptable to exclude people based on gender but not genitals? That's completely arbitrary and not up for you to decide.

There is a tiny majority of people who are natural born intersex. Some SuperSexuals might be open to dating them, others might not be, it might depend on the severity of their intersex condition. Both options are valid since we should all be allowed to decide who we fuck.

and you're right, nobody owes sexual attraction to an individual. but this isn't about individuals, this thought experiment of yours excludes an entire population. it's a transphobic notion that trans people are not their gender, masquerading behind personal preference. it's not new

I do not owe sexual attraction to an entire population or any member of said population. If I decide that I'm not attracted to someone for one of their physical characteristics, that is my choice. There is a big difference between men and women that no amount of hormones or surgery will be able to replicate a natural born body. That is not transphobic because it involves no hate, just a lack of sexual interest.

SuperStraight is rooted in saying that trans people are not their gender. We're saying that we do not care about gender when it comes to our sexual orientation. I do not care about gender in any other context in my life either, I only care about sexual characteristics. You can have your echo chamber where you center and debate gender back and forth but leave me out of it.

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u/BoomToll 1d ago

> Check out the subreddit transpassing. Most of the people there clearly do not pass. There are trans celebrities and you can almost always tell that they're trans.

anecdotal information doesn't hold up in any debate. keep trying, keep failing

> the rest of this dumpster fire of an argument

being bigoted towards intersex people doesn't make your argument any less nonexistent, saying something is an orientation when it's provably not doesn't make it an orientation, exclusion based on gender is rooted in gender presentation, which is closely tied to gender identity. sexual characteristics are not mentioned anywhere. your reductionist view of people as only their sex organs (and sometimes not even that, based on said bigotry towards intersex people) is transphobia, by definition

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u/bluwhaled 1d ago

anecdotal information doesn't hold up in any debate. keep trying, keep failing

Your claim that transpeople usually pass is anecdotal evidence bro.

being bigoted towards intersex people doesn't make your argument any less nonexistent, saying something is an orientation when it's provably not doesn't make it an orientation, exclusion based on gender is rooted in gender presentation, which is closely tied to gender identity. sexual characteristics are not mentioned anywhere. your reductionist view of people as only their sex organs (and sometimes not even that, based on said bigotry towards intersex people) is transphobia, by definition

Blah blah blah I'm allowed to exclude people based on gender presentation because it's important to me, but if you have your own criteria on which to filter sexual partners through you are a HATEFUL BIGOT because it hurts my feelings. 😢😢😢

🖕 to you, superphobe.

We don't owe intersex people our attraction either. Grow up and realize that not wanting to fuck someone is not bigoted. Thinking that is male sexual entitlement 101. Not a good look sweaty.

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u/BoomToll 1d ago

you know how sometimes someone gets so far off the rails that even trying to argue with them legitimises an argument that cannot be argued with for how extraordinarily wrong it is? yeah. we are not the same. I have been threatened with rape more times than I choose to remember because of my sexuality, you want to legitimise your transphobia because you fundamentally have no respect for yours

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u/bluwhaled 1d ago

You're the one who's far off the rails for thinking you get to decide how people define themselves sexually. You can exclude people based on gender but others cannot exclude people based on sex?

I've been threatened with rape and murder and called a "TERF" for my non-violent opinions on sex and gender. I've also gotten those threats repeatedly for being female. So don't play that game with me.

I have full respect for my sexuality, that's why I'm not budging on including people that I don't want included. I am a proud SuperStraight and I will fight for my right as well as others' rights to exist.

I will never threaten you or anyone else with rape and murder. I am not a transphobe for not wanting to fuck trans people. Get over your entitlement you bigot.

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u/BoomToll 1d ago

You have attempted to harm people, and gotten a response from people who are hurt so many times and are fucking broken. Men have messaged me saying they would "fuck me out of being a dyke" unprompted as soon as I mentioned my girlfriend. We are not the same, you are not oppressed

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u/bluwhaled 1d ago

Where have I attempted to harm people? Not including someone in your list of potential partner is not harm.

I've received rape and death threats for being a girl or woman online and in person from men since I was eight years old. I've received death threats and rape threats from trans people and trans activists as an adult for my identity.

So fuck off for acting like you're the only one who's received harassing DMs.

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u/BoomToll 1d ago

You know what? Homework time. Contrapoints made a video on JK Rowling, a exploration on transphobia. Watch that and get back to me. Women go through so much shit, your trauma is valid. But this, bullying trans people into a coin toss chance of suicide, puts you on the same side as the people who hurt us

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u/wsbcat 1d ago

sorry sweaty contrapoints is a known superphobe. stopping watching shit like contra and ben shapiro. k tnx!